Re: [Felvtalk] wrong pill...

2016-09-28 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL 


I'm glad it all worked out for you..
I haven't seen any updates re: Bogey beyond your recent comment to Liz 
that
the Stanazol is helping.   I am so glad you have a vet willing to 
prescribe it..


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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:33:19 -0400
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??
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Thank you Robert for the Pill Identifier idea. They actually had given 
me

the wrong pill and were very apologetic. She was a tech that dispensed
these and just didn?t grab the right bottle. Yikes. They did in fact 
give
me Prednisone instead of the Prednisolone. Just from what I had read 
on
the internet as well as responses here about which one is better for 
cats,

I called the vet first thing that next morning. All is well and I am
opening each bottle now before I leave the office. Thanks for writing.

On 9/23/16, 5:24 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"

wrote:



Sheri.

It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to 
familiarize
yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. 
there

are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com
successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the
bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get 
at

least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is
entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this 
batch

came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds
look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs 
I

have taken more than once

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Epogen and similiars (Nancy)
   2. Just a quick question about Prednisone (Sherri Godschalk)
   3. Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
   4. Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone 
(Margo)

   5. Re: Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
  (Sherri Godschalk)



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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
From: Nancy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
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Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
~ Nancy ~


On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead 
of
the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow 
is

still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.

Amani

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars


Amani...

I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not 
really

considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start 
Epogen(

or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young
boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before 
his

numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my
current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for
Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to

Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??

2016-09-28 Thread Sherri Godschalk 
Thank you Robert for the Pill Identifier idea. They actually had given me
the wrong pill and were very apologetic. She was a tech that dispensed
these and just didn¹t grab the right bottle. Yikes. They did in fact give
me Prednisone instead of the Prednisolone. Just from what I had read on
the internet as well as responses here about which one is better for cats,
I called the vet first thing that next morning. All is well and I am
opening each bottle now before I leave the office. Thanks for writing.

On 9/23/16, 5:24 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"

wrote:

>
>Sheri.
>
>It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to familiarize
>yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. there
>are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com
>successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the
>bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get at
>least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is
>entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this batch
>came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds
>look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs I
>have taken more than once
>
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>>
>>1. Re: Epogen and similiars (Nancy)
>>2. Just a quick question about Prednisone (Sherri Godschalk)
>>3. Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
>>4. Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
>>5. Re: Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
>>   (Sherri Godschalk)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
>> From: Nancy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
>> Message-ID: <7b8157cd-f409-43e7-b0e9-131f2b382...@aol.com>
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>>
>> Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
>> ~ Nancy ~
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of
>>> the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is
>>> still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
>>> see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
>>> hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: September-20-16 6:53 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani...
>>>
>>> I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really
>>> considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
>>> becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen(
>>> or
>>> similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young
>>> boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
>>> anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his
>>> numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my
>>> current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for
>>> Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics
>>> director...   Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at
>>> least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his
>>> history...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
>>> wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??

2016-09-23 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL 


Sheri.

It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to familiarize 
yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. there 
are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com 
successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the 
bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get at 
least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is 
entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this batch 
came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds 
look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs I 
have taken more than once


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Epogen and similiars (Nancy)
   2. Just a quick question about Prednisone (Sherri Godschalk)
   3. Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
   4. Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
   5. Re: Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
  (Sherri Godschalk)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
From: Nancy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
Message-ID: <7b8157cd-f409-43e7-b0e9-131f2b382...@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
~ Nancy ~


On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of 
the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is 
still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and 
see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the 
hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.


Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: September-20-16 6:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars


Amani...

I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really 
considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it 
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen( 
or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young 
boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly 
anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his 
numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my 
current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for 
Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics 
director...   Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at 
least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his 
history...


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  1. FW:  Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs (Amani Oakley)



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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:19:56 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
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It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The 
Epogen acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a 
hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells.


The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red 
cell progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or 
takes them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My 
hypothesis is that when the red cell production stops, it is because 
all the progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by 
virus. Thus, giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the 
cells which