Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-09-02 Thread catatonya
Hi Lorrie,
 
This response is very late I know.  My vets won't come to my home to euthanize, 
but if you look in the phone book you can possibly find a 'mobile vet' who 
will.  I'm sorry you are going through this.  It is so hard.
tonya

--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:


From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:02 PM


Dear Friends,  I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
can help...  I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
euthanize a sick cat.

This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
measures.  If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
myself!

What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful.  If so
I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

Thank you for your help,

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-14 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
Yes, my vet gives me the ace whenever it's that time... 

Before, I have had a few who would really perk up on the way to the
vet's office, as if to say, I'm not sick, look at me! I can run circles
around you! And THAT makes it really hard! My cat Benjamin (FeLeuk+)
had been going slowly downhill for a couple of years (we think he was
about 17 at the end)- and it had gotten to the point where he couldn't
make it to the litter box anymore and was very weak. So we cried and
drove down to the vet's office, and he started acting like a kitten
again. We turned around and brought him back home, where he scampered
all over the house, played with toys, had an appetite again, etc.
Several days later, though, he was back where he started, and we took
him to the vet's again. Again he perked up in the car, but we knew it
was time. :-( That was really hard.

-Original Message-
From: Lorrie [mailto:felineres...@kvinet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

Yes, watching them struggle or gasp for breath is just unbearable.
I've used Klonopin to ease the fear or struggle when a cat is dying.
It really helps and it is used for cats because I checked with my
vet.  It's like Valium.  Have any of you used this for dying cats? 
I have a prescription for myself, so I always have it on hand. Ace
promazine would have to be gotten from a vet wouldn't it??

We all hope our furry ones will died peacefully at home, preferably
in their sleep, but as you said, it seldom happens that way. Same for
people. We all hope to die peacefully at home.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-14 Thread MaryChristine
oh, yes, i've had that happen, too!

tell me when it's time for me to help you she meows, this a cat who
maybe meowed a dozen times in her entire life--so i get her into the
carrier, tears streaming down my face, lock myself out, have to break into
the house to get the car keys, take her to the vet's--where she promptly
starts acting like there's nothing whatsoever wrong with her (she had a
squamous-cell carcimona on her tiny little jaw--it had burst that morning,
she couldn't eat, it was inoperable, this was NOT a questionable
decision)--did i mention this was FirstCalico??

sometimes i think that they have that brief flash of kitten, to remind us
both of what was--to temper the sadness with the memory of the joy.

whatever, it was HORRIBLE! (36 hours after she passed, i looked up and
saw her walking in from the kitchen, saying, hi, mom, i feel SO much
better now, can i have my body back now? i had to explain that it didn't
work that way.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
I have given cats ace promazine in situations like that, before I take
them to the vet to be put to sleep. That way, they aren't stressed out
from going there, and don't end up wasting away for days or weeks on
end. I've often wished that a cat would pass away in his/ her sleep, so
that I wouldn't have to take them in (of course that never happens), but
it's just too painful to watch them gasping for breath, or trying to
walk and falling down, etc. Just my personal opinion...

-Original Message-
From: Lorrie [mailto:felineres...@kvinet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

Dear Friends,  I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
can help...  I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
euthanize a sick cat.

This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
measures.  If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
myself!

What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful.  If so
I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

Thank you for your help,

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I personally have never seen anemia as a painful death.  But The ace  
sounds like a good option.


Gloria



On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:13 AM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote:


I have given cats ace promazine in situations like that, before I take
them to the vet to be put to sleep. That way, they aren't stressed out
from going there, and don't end up wasting away for days or weeks on
end. I've often wished that a cat would pass away in his/ her sleep,  
so
that I wouldn't have to take them in (of course that never happens),  
but

it's just too painful to watch them gasping for breath, or trying to
walk and falling down, etc. Just my personal opinion...

-Original Message-
From: Lorrie [mailto:felineres...@kvinet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

Dear Friends,  I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
can help...  I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
euthanize a sick cat.

This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
measures.  If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
myself!

What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful.  If so
I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

Thank you for your help,

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Lorrie
Yes, watching them struggle or gasp for breath is just unbearable.
I've used Klonopin to ease the fear or struggle when a cat is dying.
It really helps and it is used for cats because I checked with my
vet.  It's like Valium.  Have any of you used this for dying cats? 
I have a prescription for myself, so I always have it on hand. Ace
promazine would have to be gotten from a vet wouldn't it??

We all hope our furry ones will died peacefully at home, preferably
in their sleep, but as you said, it seldom happens that way. Same for
people. We all hope to die peacefully at home.


On 08-13, POTT, BEVERLY wrote: I have given cats ace promazine in
 situations like that, before I take them to the vet to be put to
 sleep. That way, they aren't stressed out from going there, and
 don't end up wasting away for days or weeks on end. I've often
 wished that a cat would pass away in his/ her sleep, so that I
 wouldn't have to take them in (of course that never happens), but
 it's just too painful to watch them gasping for breath, or trying
 to walk and falling down, etc. Just my personal opinion...
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread MaryChristine
i don't know about klonopin, but i DO know that valium can have a
paradoxical effect in cats, and make them very agitated, which is clearly
NOT the intended effect. i've worried about that ever since i heard a number
of folks, including vets, mention it.

i would think, tho, that if you've got a good relationship with your vet,
and a cat near time, they might be willing to prescribe something to help?

in my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound too scary or morbid, when
they reach the point of having trouble breathing, they don't really seem to
be there any longer. it's as if they have already left, their spirits, as
least, and all that's left is their no-longer-needed body. i find that i can
really tell when they are not present, and have gone on--i always tell
them about the wonderful cloak room at the bridge where they get to pick out
a brand-new body, in whatever color or breed or pattern they'd like, that
they don't need to worry about leaving the old body behind, that it served
them well, but there's a new, healthy one waiting... i see the last shudders
and gasps as just the last wisps of their souls slipping out of the dwelling
that's no longer necessary for that part of their journey, not as something
they are consciously suffering through.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
We just PTS one of our geriatric cats on Monday.  I had a little stash of 
torb-val syrup on hand and gave that to her Sunday and Monday morning.  She had 
been in renal failure for more than a year but somewhere between Friday night 
and Saturday morning it looks like she had a stroke.  It looked like she was 
paralyzed on one side of her body.  On Saturday she was still drinking water 
but not eating, on Sunday she did not want water either.

I was surprised she was still with us Monday morning, actually raising her head 
when I came to check on her.  She was still present in her body but just 
barely.  I'm sure that it was time to help her to the bridge.  I have no idea 
how stressful a natural death might have been for her.

We almost PTS last fall but then some antibiotics and fluids rallied her and 
she had 6 or 8 really good months, frail though she was.  Last fall would have 
been much too soon but I worry that Sunday would have been better than Monday 
to PTS. It was a matter of vet availability and cost.  Hate it when decisions 
have to be made on that basis.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:01 PM
 i don't know about klonopin, but i DO
 know that valium can have a
 paradoxical effect in cats, and make them very agitated,
 which is clearly
 NOT the intended effect. i've worried about that ever since
 i heard a number
 of folks, including vets, mention it.
 
 i would think, tho, that if you've got a good relationship
 with your vet,
 and a cat near time, they might be willing to prescribe
 something to help?
 
 in my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound too scary
 or morbid, when
 they reach the point of having trouble breathing, they
 don't really seem to
 be there any longer. it's as if they have already left,
 their spirits, as
 least, and all that's left is their no-longer-needed body.
 i find that i can
 really tell when they are not present, and have gone
 on--i always tell
 them about the wonderful cloak room at the bridge where
 they get to pick out
 a brand-new body, in whatever color or breed or pattern
 they'd like, that
 they don't need to worry about leaving the old body behind,
 that it served
 them well, but there's a new, healthy one waiting... i see
 the last shudders
 and gasps as just the last wisps of their souls slipping
 out of the dwelling
 that's no longer necessary for that part of their journey,
 not as something
 they are consciously suffering through.
 
 -- 
 Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
 Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
 MaryChristine
 Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
 (www.purebredcats.org)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Reyna Castano
Susan,
 
Do you work at a sanctuary?

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 6:10 PM


We just PTS one of our geriatric cats on Monday.  I had a little stash of 
torb-val syrup on hand and gave that to her Sunday and Monday morning.  She had 
been in renal failure for more than a year but somewhere between Friday night 
and Saturday morning it looks like she had a stroke.  It looked like she was 
paralyzed on one side of her body.  On Saturday she was still drinking water 
but not eating, on Sunday she did not want water either.

I was surprised she was still with us Monday morning, actually raising her head 
when I came to check on her.  She was still present in her body but just 
barely.  I'm sure that it was time to help her to the bridge.  I have no idea 
how stressful a natural death might have been for her.

We almost PTS last fall but then some antibiotics and fluids rallied her and 
she had 6 or 8 really good months, frail though she was.  Last fall would have 
been much too soon but I worry that Sunday would have been better than Monday 
to PTS. It was a matter of vet availability and cost.  Hate it when decisions 
have to be made on that basis.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:01 PM
 i don't know about klonopin, but i DO
 know that valium can have a
 paradoxical effect in cats, and make them very agitated,
 which is clearly
 NOT the intended effect. i've worried about that ever since
 i heard a number
 of folks, including vets, mention it.
 
 i would think, tho, that if you've got a good relationship
 with your vet,
 and a cat near time, they might be willing to prescribe
 something to help?
 
 in my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound too scary
 or morbid, when
 they reach the point of having trouble breathing, they
 don't really seem to
 be there any longer. it's as if they have already left,
 their spirits, as
 least, and all that's left is their no-longer-needed body.
 i find that i can
 really tell when they are not present, and have gone
 on--i always tell
 them about the wonderful cloak room at the bridge where
 they get to pick out
 a brand-new body, in whatever color or breed or pattern
 they'd like, that
 they don't need to worry about leaving the old body behind,
 that it served
 them well, but there's a new, healthy one waiting... i see
 the last shudders
 and gasps as just the last wisps of their souls slipping
 out of the dwelling
 that's no longer necessary for that part of their journey,
 not as something
 they are consciously suffering through.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
It feels like it sometimes but no.  I run a small rescue.  We average around 
150 adoptions a year and have the cats in various foster homes.  Here's our 
petfinder site:  http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CA1136.html

I usually take older kittens, teenagers and adults at my house.  Some seniors 
and special needs types too.  The foster homes are usually more into the tiny 
kittens.

I do wind up sanctuarying some of the harder to place cats, or at the very 
least fostering them for a long time till the right home is found.  I've had 
some for 12-18 months before they were adopted.  I also have a weakness for 
Siamese and will take more risks with older feral or undersocialized Siamese.  
May take a year to tame them for adoption but, hey, they're gorgous and 
eventually I do manage to place them.

Our senior girl who just passed away from a grey and white tuxedo who had been 
with us 9 years.  She showed up 9 years ago, starving and hugely pregnant.  We 
took her in and kept her.  She was at least 15 on Monday when she went to the 
bridge, possibly older.  I know we did right by her all the years that she was 
with us and I'm glad she was here so long.  Gave her plenty of time to forget 
her former life that had left her in such bad straits by the time she found us.



--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 6:17 PM
 Susan,
  
 Do you work at a sanctuary?
 
 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 6:10 PM
 
 
 We just PTS one of our geriatric cats on Monday.  I had a
 little stash of torb-val syrup on hand and gave that to her
 Sunday and Monday morning.  She had been in renal failure
 for more than a year but somewhere between Friday night and
 Saturday morning it looks like she had a stroke.  It looked
 like she was paralyzed on one side of her body.  On
 Saturday she was still drinking water but not eating, on
 Sunday she did not want water either.
 
 I was surprised she was still with us Monday morning,
 actually raising her head when I came to check on her.  She
 was still present in her body but just barely.  I'm sure
 that it was time to help her to the bridge.  I have no idea
 how stressful a natural death might have been for her.
 
 We almost PTS last fall but then some antibiotics and
 fluids rallied her and she had 6 or 8 really good months,
 frail though she was.  Last fall would have been much too
 soon but I worry that Sunday would have been better than
 Monday to PTS. It was a matter of vet availability and
 cost.  Hate it when decisions have to be made on that
 basis.
 
 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:01 PM
  i don't know about klonopin, but i DO
  know that valium can have a
  paradoxical effect in cats, and make them very
 agitated,
  which is clearly
  NOT the intended effect. i've worried about that ever
 since
  i heard a number
  of folks, including vets, mention it.
  
  i would think, tho, that if you've got a good
 relationship
  with your vet,
  and a cat near time, they might be willing to
 prescribe
  something to help?
  
  in my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound too
 scary
  or morbid, when
  they reach the point of having trouble breathing,
 they
  don't really seem to
  be there any longer. it's as if they have already
 left,
  their spirits, as
  least, and all that's left is their no-longer-needed
 body.
  i find that i can
  really tell when they are not present, and have
 gone
  on--i always tell
  them about the wonderful cloak room at the bridge
 where
  they get to pick out
  a brand-new body, in whatever color or breed or
 pattern
  they'd like, that
  they don't need to worry about leaving the old body
 behind,
  that it served
  them well, but there's a new, healthy one waiting... i
 see
  the last shudders
  and gasps as just the last wisps of their souls
 slipping
  out of the dwelling
  that's no longer necessary for that part of their
 journey,
  not as something
  they are consciously suffering through.
  
  -- 
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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
  
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
  (www.purebredcats.org)
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-12 Thread MaryChristine
sue, i think that we learn those hard, hard lessons that way specifically so
that we do NOT make the same choice again. you did the best you could with
the information you had at the moment--buzz' last lesson to you may well
have been to teach you to listen to your heart from now on. i thank the
universe that these bits of light wrapped in fur are so forgiving of our
human frailty, and understand so much better than we do, that doing our best
IS the best we can do the folks on lists like this do NOT make choices
that intentionally hurt our charges--and they know that.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-12 Thread Frank and Sue Koren

MaryChristine,
Thank you for your kind words.  I think it makes it easier to know that 
others do not judge you, even when you can't quite get past judging 
yourself.
I know I have learned so much over the years and always hope to improve the 
way I take care of my kitties.  There were cats I had years ago that would 
have lived longer and healthier lives if I had known then what I do now. 
But I guess that goes for any of us that are ever so much more then 
twenty.

Again, thank you.
Sue
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision


sue, i think that we learn those hard, hard lessons that way specifically 
so

that we do NOT make the same choice again. you did the best you could with
the information you had at the moment--buzz' last lesson to you may well
have been to teach you to listen to your heart from now on. i thank 
the

universe that these bits of light wrapped in fur are so forgiving of our
human frailty, and understand so much better than we do, that doing our 
best

IS the best we can do the folks on lists like this do NOT make choices
that intentionally hurt our charges--and they know that.

MC

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2009-08-11 Thread Lorrie
Dear Friends,  I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
can help...  I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
euthanize a sick cat.

This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
measures.  If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
myself!

What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful.  If so
I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

Thank you for your help,

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread Christy Buchin

Lorrie,

I am so sorry for your heart ache.  Is there any time for a blood transfusion?  
When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down to a HCT of 9 at 
one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get tired and weak and 
eventually pass.  I wish you the very best!!  I am so sorry!
 
 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 
 Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
 can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
 town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
 anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
 will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
 drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
 soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
 loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
 terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
 euthanize a sick cat.
 
 This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
 neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
 I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
 illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
 measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
 myself!
 
 What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
 FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so
 I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
 will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.
 
 Thank you for your help,
 
 Lorrie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread jbero tds.net
Hello Lorrie,

I am so sorry.  I have been in your situation one three occasions.  The
first time I did nothing.  I let her stop eating, as force feeding in this
situation seems only to bother them and prolong their suffering.  She lived
for approximately two weeks after she stopped eating.  She would take only a
little water.  Everyday I watched her get weaker and slowly disengage
herself from me and the world around her.  The last two days were difficult,
her breathing pattern was altered, she was confused and wandered and would
meow for no apparent reason.  This is likely secondary to altered electrolye
status and poorly functioning liver.  She died at night, when noone was
around.  Probably a cardiac arrhthymia.  She was not necessarily in pain,
but it was a prolonged period of atypical behavior that is difficult to
read.  Certainly, however, her breathing was labored at the end.

The second time I tried a blood transfusion.  This was stressful on her, but
after about a week of intensive care she improved and did well for about
three months.  When the anemia returned, I found myself in this position for
the third time.  I decided to not put her through a transfusion again - it
was stressful, involving lots of medication and at times forced feeding.  I
let her be until she admittently refused to eat or drink.  I waited another
few days as she wasn't in any pain but when her behavior changed and her
breathing become labored I put her down.  I had to take her to the emergency
clinic to do it and I regret that.  I highly recommend doing it where she is
familiar.

Given my experiences, I would put her down somewhere between when she stops
eating and when she develops signs of distress (labored breathing, altered
mental status, clumsy walking, any sign of distress you can identify).  With
that said though, I would really try to find a vet that will come to the
shelter.  In my opinion it is well worth searching for a vet who would do
it.  I would also ask about sedating them prior to the injection.

I am so sorry for your position and do not envy you you're current decision.

May God bless you and good luck.

Jenny


On 8/11/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 Dear Friends,  I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
 can help...  I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
 town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
 anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
 will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
 drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
 soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
 loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
 terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
 euthanize a sick cat.

 This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
 neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
 I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
 illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
 measures.  If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
 myself!

 What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
 FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful.  If so
 I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
 will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

 Thank you for your help,

 Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread MaryChristine
it sounds as if your little one is doing what so many FeLVs do, just fading
away. often they seem to be alert and aware of their surroundings, and in no
distress, nor in any great hurry to leave--they just slowly sort of
disappear it's usually a quiet, gentle passage, and whenever possible
(ie, when there IS no distress or signs of suffering), i try to let them
stay at home, surrounded by family and friends, keeping them warm and
comfortable, and journey on from there. i give fluids and food as long as
they will accept them, and i try to be with them when they go if that's
something they seem to take comfort in (ferals and strays often do NOT
consider that a calming thing.)

my answer would be to know my vets' after-hours arrangements in case
something goes wrong (massive convulsions, or some other clear sign of
distress), and otherwise just plan on surrounding her with love and light
and warmth and family. far too many humans these days leave the world
without that

you can also speak with the cat, and listen with your heart: ask her to tell
you if she needs your help in crossing. they usually don't

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Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread Cougar Clan
Both the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP  
left this world on their own.  If I ever have the opportunity to let  
one leave this way I will.  I will not let one suffer but I will (try)  
not to impose my own pian on their bodies.  Put yourself in the little  
one's place and see what you would want.  Both my girls hated the  
vets.  My decision and theirs was right for them.  Permit them a cool  
place as well as a warm place.  Kitty and Ebony wanted to be cool.  I  
don't know what the explaination is and it really doesn't matter.


Blessings to you for carrying.  You are cared for in return.
On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Christy Buchin wrote:



Lorrie,

I am so sorry for your heart ache.  Is there any time for a blood  
transfusion?  When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat  
was down to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very  
lethargic and just get tired and weak and eventually pass.  I wish  
you the very best!!  I am so sorry!



Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400
From: felineres...@kvinet.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
euthanize a sick cat.

This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
myself!

What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so
I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

Thank you for your help,

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread Sharyl

Lorrie,
I'm so sorry she has reached this stage.  Of the three positives I've lost this 
yr. one was from anemia.  CJ was in distress that last day and I did take him 
to the vet to have him PTS.  Each kitty is unique so don't know if my 
experience is relevant to your situation.   

I'm in the process of losing Mattie now.  She has lesions on her spine and has 
lost the use of her back legs.  The paralysis is spreading and she is now not 
able to have a bowel movement.  I know I'll have to make the trip to the vet in 
the next day or two and dread it.  She isn't in pain which actually makes it 
harder to make that final trip.
Sending hugs your way.
Sharyl

  Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and
 I hope you
  can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter
 I have in
  town. Most remain in good health by all appearances,
 however one 8
  year old female has been steadily losing weight, she
 is now very
  anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating
 two days ago. She
  will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers,
 and she is still
  drinking water, but this is all. I know she is
 probably going to die
  soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings
 where she is
  loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet
 which is always
  terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out
 to see or
  euthanize a sick cat.
  
  This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no
 tumors, nor
  neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from
 the anemia.
  I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who
 has a terminal
  illness, therefore I will not put her through
 transfusions or heroic
  measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish
 this for
  myself!
  
  What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you
 have had anemic
  FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is
 painful. If so
  I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the
 trip to the vet
  will be frightening for her... I do not want her
 to suffer.
  
  Thank you for your help,
  
  Lorrie
  



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread Frank and Sue Koren

Lorrie,
I am so sorry to hear about your little kitty.  I was in the same position 
about a year ago.  My darling FeLV+ kitty Buzz was anemic and slowly going 
down hill.  He had stopped eating and I was carrying him to his litter box 
and upstairs to sleep next to me every night.  One morning when I carried 
him down to his litter box he just sat there and swayed.  I decided that it 
was probably time and made the appointment to put him to sleep. When the 
time came to go to the vets he used the last bit of strength he had to fight 
going into the carrier.  That horrible moment will live with me forever.  I 
so wish that I had stopped right there and canceled the appointment.  Poor 
Buzzy hated going to the vets as most cats do and I made his last moments 
miserable.  Even though I held him close while they did it, it will never 
make up for his fear.  If ever I am in that position again I will wait and 
not chose to euthanize unless I know for sure the cat is in pain.

Sue

- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision



Dear Friends,  I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
can help...  I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
euthanize a sick cat.

This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
measures.  If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
myself!

What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful.  If so
I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.

Thank you for your help,

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-11 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
I BELIEVE WHEN THE TIME TO GO IS HERE,one goes. I won't kill any cat. If she 
isn't in pain let her go when her time is here,and being with you couldn't be 
better. I've been through itCathy

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From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:46 PM


Both the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP left this 
world on their own.  If I ever have the opportunity to let one leave this way I 
will.  I will not let one suffer but I will (try) not to impose my own pian on 
their bodies.  Put yourself in the little one's place and see what you would 
want.  Both my girls hated the vets.  My decision and theirs was right for 
them.  Permit them a cool place as well as a warm place.  Kitty and Ebony 
wanted to be cool.  I don't know what the explaination is and it really doesn't 
matter.

Blessings to you for carrying.  You are cared for in return.
On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Christy Buchin wrote:

 
 Lorrie,
 
 I am so sorry for your heart ache.  Is there any time for a blood 
 transfusion?  When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down 
 to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get 
 tired and weak and eventually pass.  I wish you the very best!!  I am so 
 sorry!
 
 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 
 Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you
 can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in
 town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8
 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very
 anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She
 will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still
 drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die
 soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is
 loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always
 terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or
 euthanize a sick cat.
 
 This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor
 neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia.
 I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal
 illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic
 measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for
 myself!
 
 What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic
 FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so
 I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet
 will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer.
 
 Thank you for your help,
 
 Lorrie
 
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[Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He 
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking 
him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he 
isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or 
wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to  
your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be  
leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty  
much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not  
using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about  
that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He  
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him  
by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a  
blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't  
tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end.  I wish they were  
allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure.


Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal communicator.  And 
no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We agreed though that we are going to 
before making a decision.  My husband said he got so angry last night for what 
Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make 
some changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about getting 
angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him 
that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get 
angry at him.  He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want 
to lose him.  SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out 
and see if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know 
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton 
of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I can almost predict what Len's 
vet will do.  Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  
I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take 
him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at 
night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal 
communicator in my area.

Again, thanks girls for the advice.
Lynne 
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  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision


  Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with 
problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your 
heartnot your mind but your heart.

  On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:


I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be 
leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, 
weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all 
the time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in 
every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I 
don't care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the 
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him 
by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare 
like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys 
living or wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their 
lives so we could know for sure.

Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps  
try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever  
anxieties he may have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue  
Remedy.  This is assuming he is having some problems because of  
anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems.   
Just ideas.


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.
Here is the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).   
You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications,  
prices, etc.  There are wonderful articles on the internet if you  
Google for them.  This is a website that has some information on  
it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com  You can do this yourself but you  
may find  that you are too close to the situation.  As always, I am  
putting this on the table.  Take what works for you and leave the  
rest.  If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad.   We are  
all on our own paths and they are not the same.


Good luck.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal  
communicator.  And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We  
agreed though that we are going to before making a decision.  My  
husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done  
but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some  
changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about  
getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's  
doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps  
himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him.  He's always  
been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him.  SO  
we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see  
if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know  
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and  
prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I  
can almost predict what Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and  
antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  I've practically  
broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take him  
in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes  
at night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an  
animal communicator in my area.


Again, thanks girls for the advice.
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2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for Len.  We 
have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable 
flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room.  We're also able to 
leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough 
that intruders could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out 
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my 
mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching about medications too, 
perhaps sedative and/or calming type products.  I have cat nip growing all over 
the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to 
look for the Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up 
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.

Lynne
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  On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote:


Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps try 
some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may 
have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy.  This is assuming he 
is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety 
over the problems.  Just ideas.  


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.   Here is 
the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).  You can email them and ask 
questions re their qualifications, prices, etc.  There are wonderful articles 
on the internet if you Google for them.  This is a website that has some 
information on it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com  You can do this yourself but 
you may find  that you are too close to the situation.  As always, I am putting 
this on the table.  Take what works for you and leave the rest.  If none of it 
feels right to you, do not feel bad.   We are all on our own paths and they are 
not the same.


Good luck. 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:


  Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal communicator.  
And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We agreed though that we are 
going to before making a decision.  My husband said he got so angry last night 
for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we 
can make some changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing 
about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and 
reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no 
one will get angry at him.  He's always been very close to Len, and I know he 
doesn't want to lose him.  SO we are going to make an appointment to have him 
checked out and see if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you 
know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe 
a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I can almost predict what 
Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an 
x-ray.  I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, 
we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with 
mistakes at night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an 
animal communicator in my area.

  Again, thanks girls for the advice.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:

You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh  
catnip now that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few  
leaves won't hurt a thing.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for  
Len.  We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it  
with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his  
night time room.  We're also able to leave the patio door open  
enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders  
could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out  
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind  
of like my mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching  
about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type  
products.  I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of  
our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to look for the  
Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up  
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.


Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread wendy
Hi Lynne,
I am so sorry that your kitty isn't doing well.  Do you think he's dehydrated 
at all?  Because if he is, subQ fluids will make him feel better until it is 
time to go.  I know how torturous it is to go through this waiting period, so 
please be very kind and gentle with yourself.  You can deal with this, and I 
know you want to for your kitty's sake.  Praying for strength for you.
Wendy

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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~




I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He 
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking 
him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he 
isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or 
wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so 
we could know for sure.
 
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2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

Lynne
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  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision




  On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:


You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh catnip now 
that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:


  Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for Len.  
We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable 
flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room.  We're also able to 
leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough 
that intruders could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out 
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my 
mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching about medications too, 
perhaps sedative and/or calming type products.  I have cat nip growing all over 
the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to 
look for the Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up 
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.

  Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Thank you Wendy.  I don't think he's dehydrated.  He has always been a water 
lover.  Bob changes his water several times a day when I'm at work so he always 
has fresh water.  Len always drinks after he eats.  I think it's a pretty 
simple matter of senile dementia.  I swear it's like watching my mom die all 
over again, only he's a cat.  The wasting away is so familiar.  If he were to 
stop eating and drinking we'd be off to the vet in a flash for the inevitable.  
For now I think we will just try keeping him as comfortable as we can, pay a 
lot of attention to him and watch him closely.  Snowy knows he'a not well and 
always steps aside if he is coming toward her.  The other night we were out in 
the grass and to show you how hard it is for Len to make a decision, Snowy was 
laying in his path and rather than walk around, he stopped, looked confused and 
proceded to walk over top of her.  She just watched in amazement.  The poor old 
guy.
Lynne
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision


  Hi Lynne,



  I am so sorry that your kitty isn't doing well.  Do you think he's dehydrated 
at all?  Because if he is, subQ fluids will make him feel better until it is 
time to go.  I know how torturous it is to go through this waiting period, so 
please be very kind and gentle with yourself.  You can deal with this, and I 
know you want to for your kitty's sake.  Praying for strength for you.



  Wendy


   
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~ 





  I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floo r.  
He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by 
picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare 
like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys 
living or wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their 
lives so we could know for sure.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential  
oil that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an  
expert in cats, says.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19


This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not  
carrying it.  Oh well.



On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.   
I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able  
to carry it, just vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will  
try some fresh catnip.  That I have no problem in finding.  Before  
I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with  
lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear Snowball enjoys it  
as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but  
who knows.  I'll try anything.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Really? I make linen spray with the smallest amount of lavender essential oil 
for it's aromatic effect only.  It's known to be calming and also good for 
headaches.  Snowy never gets any on her directly, we just like going to bed 
with the nice scent in the air.  I will read up on that however.  But for now 
I'm going to order the Feliway.  

Lynne
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  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision




  On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:


Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil 
that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, 
says.
  
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19




  This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not 
carrying it.  Oh well.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:


  I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
I'm so sorry to hear that :(  It's really really tough when they get older.  

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Subject: [Felvtalk] a decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:33 PM



 
 

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 
19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  
He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is 
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere.  
We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who 
come 
over to have to see but I don't care about that.  Last night he pooped in 
one and then pooped on the floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  
I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to 
him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body 
anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end.  I 
wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
Do they really work?  I've heard really bad stories about pet psychics.  I'm 
sure animals can be tapped into because they have brains, they have feelings, 
they can think...but I don't know...the whole thing seems a bit hoaky.  I'd 
like to be proven wrong though. 

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
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Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with 
problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your 
heart.not your mind but your heart.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:
I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He 
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking 
him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he 
isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Alice hanson
Pet-co has feliway. I swear by it. It has gotten me and my kitties thru some 
very rough times. It really does work.
alice
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  On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:


Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil 
that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, 
says. 
  
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19
 




  This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not 
carrying it.  Oh well.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:


  I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

  Lynne



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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps  
try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever  
anxieties he may have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue  
Remedy.  This is assuming he is having some problems because of  
anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems.  Just  
ideas.


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.   Here  
is the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
(Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).  You  
can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices,  
etc.  There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for  
them.  This is a website that has some information on it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com 
  You can do this yourself but you may find  that you are too close  
to the situation.  As always, I am putting this on the table.  Take  
what works for you and leave the rest.  If none of it feels right to  
you, do not feel bad.   We are all on our own paths and they are not  
the same.


Good luck.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal  
communicator.  And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We  
agreed though that we are going to before making a decision.  My  
husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but  
says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some  
changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about  
getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's  
doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps  
himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him.  He's always  
been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him.  SO  
we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see  
if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know  
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and  
prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I  
can almost predict what Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and  
antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  I've practically  
broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take him in  
for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at  
night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal  
communicator in my area.


Again, thanks girls for the advice.
Lynne
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true  
to your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should  
be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is  
pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is  
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care  
about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the  
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to  
stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and  
there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body  
anymore.  I just can't tell if  he enjoys living or wants it to  
end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so  
we could know for sure.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread gary
Curious, PetSmart online still sells it.  I suppose this could be some odd 
state regulation, but if it were me, I would call another PetSmart in your 
state and ask if they sell it.  Might not be practical for you to go there 
(closest one to me is 3 hours) but I would sure want to know if what they said 
was true.

Gary
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  I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

  Lynne
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On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:


  You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh catnip 
now that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a 
thing.

  On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:


Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. 
 We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily 
cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room.  We're 
also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not 
wide enough that intruders could get in.  The patio is screened in and he 
enjoys being out there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, 
kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching about 
medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products.  I have cat nip 
growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff.  I am 
also going to look for the Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not 
going to give up on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.

Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
I've used them and have had very good luck.  How do you know what a  
baby without words wants?  Or how one cop can sense where the bad guy  
is hiding when dozens others can't?  Or the feeling you get when  
sometime is just really wrong?  There are charlatans out there  
unfortunately.  You are the only person who can decide if it is right  
for you right now.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Jennifer wrote:

Do they really work?  I've heard really bad stories about pet  
psychics.  I'm sure animals can be tapped into because they have  
brains, they have feelings, they can think...but I don't know...the  
whole thing seems a bit hoaky.  I'd like to be proven wrong though.


 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true  
to your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should  
be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is  
pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is  
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care  
about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the  
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to  
stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and  
there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body  
anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to  
end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so  
we could know for sure.


Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
I think Lynne is in Canada. So the regulations may be different. I remember
she could not get immunoregulin for BooBoo when he was so sick.

Sally






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