Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-14 Thread jbero tds.net
Hello Joyce,

You have a kind heart.  It's hard to take in a felv cat and sounds
like everyone in your world is going through alot.

With respect to felv, it's true, stress is tough on these guys.

There's alot of variables, opinions and conflicting ideas about the
disease.  Some cats do fine, some become carriers but do fine, and
some die fast and young.  Since yours is two years old already, that's
a start since many of the young ones (usually less than a year) die
from the disease early on.  The older they are the better their
chances of survival.

General recommendations I think almost universally accepted are - feed
high quality diets i.e. those high in protein, some good ones are evo
and nature's variety instinct (be careful when initially switching to
these foods mix with the old).  Some people suggest using raw diets
(these are excellent for healthy cats as it mimics their normal diet -
good ones are nature's variety and stella and chewy's) - other people
advice against it as there is the possibility of introducing bacteria
into their gut and they fear infection.  Personally from what I have
read and seen I think raw diet is better.

Next, try to reduce stress as much as possible - rescue remedy, a
flower essence extract has been used in both humans and animals to
reduce anxiety - it's easy to use and can be found in most herbal type
stores.  As far as him not leaving the crate, that's okay, small
enclosed areas are often comforting to a scared cat, I wouldn't force
him out, let him take his time.  Routines are very welcome by most
animals so try to maintain a routine if possible - this is less
important for cats than dogs but still helpful.

Medical treatment - this is a huge source of debate for most.  Some
say there is no treatment, give them as happy a life as possible until
they pass on.  Others say treat.  The big treatments include
interferon, imulan and acemannan.  None are 100% effective from what I
can tell.  There are stories to support and refute each.  I am
currently looking to find a combination of things that might be
effective.  Other less talked about treatments include high dose
vitamin c, NAC and vitamin E.  Some other natural remedies and immune
boosters (Wei Qui Booster)  are out there.  I have never heard of a
cure, but I continue to search.

With respect to the clavamox, I would be very suspicious.
Prophylactic treatment with an antibiotic is risky.  It can lead to GI
problems (diarrhea and vomiting as you kill off the healthy normal
bacterial flora of the gut and leave it wide open for bad bacteria),
kidney and liver failure, and development of bacteria resistant to the
antibiotic.  If there are no symptoms of infection and have not been
for some time I would seriously be cautious about this.  If there are
upper respiratory type symptoms; sneezing, clear runny nose and eyes,
lysine can be very effective at treating this - this can be ordered
online in a cat formula or purchased over the counter at walgreens or
similar store.

Lots of info, sorry.  You will certainly get lots more advice.  The
individuals in this group are intelligent, well read, and caring cat
lovers.

May God bless you and good luck.

Jenny

On 11/10/09, stargazer 12 stargaze...@q.com wrote:

 A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has
 feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare
 room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my
 friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is
 there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this
 disease. I have been during research  says the cat should not be stressed.
 Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital
 since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the
 couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be
 very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I
 do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I
 think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping
 my friend alive too.



 Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.



 Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-14 Thread Laurieskatz
Jenny, thanks for providing this great information! 
Laurie

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Hello Joyce,

You have a kind heart.  It's hard to take in a felv cat and sounds
like everyone in your world is going through alot.

With respect to felv, it's true, stress is tough on these guys.

There's alot of variables, opinions and conflicting ideas about the
disease.  Some cats do fine, some become carriers but do fine, and
some die fast and young.  Since yours is two years old already, that's
a start since many of the young ones (usually less than a year) die
from the disease early on.  The older they are the better their
chances of survival.

General recommendations I think almost universally accepted are - feed
high quality diets i.e. those high in protein, some good ones are evo
and nature's variety instinct (be careful when initially switching to
these foods mix with the old).  Some people suggest using raw diets
(these are excellent for healthy cats as it mimics their normal diet -
good ones are nature's variety and stella and chewy's) - other people
advice against it as there is the possibility of introducing bacteria
into their gut and they fear infection.  Personally from what I have
read and seen I think raw diet is better.

Next, try to reduce stress as much as possible - rescue remedy, a
flower essence extract has been used in both humans and animals to
reduce anxiety - it's easy to use and can be found in most herbal type
stores.  As far as him not leaving the crate, that's okay, small
enclosed areas are often comforting to a scared cat, I wouldn't force
him out, let him take his time.  Routines are very welcome by most
animals so try to maintain a routine if possible - this is less
important for cats than dogs but still helpful.

Medical treatment - this is a huge source of debate for most.  Some
say there is no treatment, give them as happy a life as possible until
they pass on.  Others say treat.  The big treatments include
interferon, imulan and acemannan.  None are 100% effective from what I
can tell.  There are stories to support and refute each.  I am
currently looking to find a combination of things that might be
effective.  Other less talked about treatments include high dose
vitamin c, NAC and vitamin E.  Some other natural remedies and immune
boosters (Wei Qui Booster)  are out there.  I have never heard of a
cure, but I continue to search.

With respect to the clavamox, I would be very suspicious.
Prophylactic treatment with an antibiotic is risky.  It can lead to GI
problems (diarrhea and vomiting as you kill off the healthy normal
bacterial flora of the gut and leave it wide open for bad bacteria),
kidney and liver failure, and development of bacteria resistant to the
antibiotic.  If there are no symptoms of infection and have not been
for some time I would seriously be cautious about this.  If there are
upper respiratory type symptoms; sneezing, clear runny nose and eyes,
lysine can be very effective at treating this - this can be ordered
online in a cat formula or purchased over the counter at walgreens or
similar store.

Lots of info, sorry.  You will certainly get lots more advice.  The
individuals in this group are intelligent, well read, and caring cat
lovers.

May God bless you and good luck.

Jenny

On 11/10/09, stargazer 12 stargaze...@q.com wrote:

 A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey
has
 feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare
 room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my
 friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is
 there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this
 disease. I have been during research  says the cat should not be
stressed.
 Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital
 since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the
 couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to
be
 very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I
 do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I
 think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am
keeping
 my friend alive too.



 Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.



 Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-13 Thread dlgegg
Joyce,  yes, you have taken on a bit of a job, but i think you will find it is 
worthwhile.  i took in Annie 3 weeks after her owner went into hospice.  she 
was locked up in her trailer all that time with the owner's sister coming once 
a day to put out food and change her litter box.  she had no understanding of 
what happened, why her person left her alone and then the sister stuffed her 
into a box and brought her to our vet.  then i put her in my carrier and 
brought her home and suddenly instead of being an only cat, she was one of 2.  
i tried keeping her in one room, but no one got any sleep.  so i let her out.  
we had some hissing, screaming fits, and she spent many dys and night in the 
basement, but she eventually came around and now is a very sweet, healthy felv 
positive cat.  i have since brought in more cats (6 now) and each time we have 
to restablish who is top cat, but everyone has survived and now we are fairly 
comfortable with our roommates.  It just takes time for her to learn tht she 
can trust you and to work out her place in the family.  be patient, love on her 
every time you get a chance.  dorlis
 stargazer 12 stargaze...@q.com wrote: 
 
 A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has 
 feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare 
 room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. 
  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any 
 special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have 
 been during research  says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, 
 Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. 
 A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very 
 timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It 
 has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he 
 will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking 
 on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too.
 
  
 
 Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.
 
  
 
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[Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread stargazer 12

A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has 
feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare room 
away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend.  I am 
waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special 
food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during 
research  says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been 
stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was 
feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he 
is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he 
has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me 
but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small 
way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread Debbie Bates

The wonderful people here will give you great information...all I can tell you 
is to have patienceit must be extremely stressful for poor Spicey.  Give 
him time and a safe place to hide until he is ready to deal with the world on 
his own terms.  My heart breakes for him losing his mom...and I bless you for 
taking this baby into your home (and hopefully your heart)this disease is 
cruel and unforgiving.  I wish you all luck possible.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: stargaze...@q.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:38:17 +
 Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
 
 
 A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has 
 feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in  have him in a spare 
 room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. 
 I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any 
 special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have 
 been during research  says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, 
 Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. 
 A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very 
 timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It 
 has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he 
 will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking 
 on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too.
 
 
 
 Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread gary
I would be a bit concerned about why he has been on clavamox for a year.
That is a LONG time to be on any antibiotic.  A decent quality food, as
little stress as possible -not much you can do about the situation - and
lots of love and careful attention to his health.  Many of us give various
supplements in hopes it will help keep the immune system strong.  I don't
think there is any hard data that most of what we give is not more for us
than it is for the cat.  I'm sure you will hear about a lot of different
supplements, personally, I use Moducare.

You are a good person for taking in this kitty.

Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey


A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has
feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare
room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my
friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is
there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this
disease. I have been during research  says the cat should not be stressed.
Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital
since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the
couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be
very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I
do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I
think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping
my friend alive too.

 

Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread Cougar Clan
Try Rescue Remedy in Spicey's water and the water of your other cats.   
Also add Willow (another Bach Remedy) and Feliway spray.  I've tried  
the room atomizer but don't care for it.  I have had wonderful luck  
with the Feliway spray and so have my vets.


Don't press Spicey.  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (FeLV-) took about  
three months to come out from under the couch and be comfortable.  I  
slept on the floor most of that time to reduce my threat to her (size,  
ability to move etc).


Do the best you can to relax yourself.  Your stress, which is very  
understandable, transfers to all the cats.  Give them all the best  
food you can and follow your heart on supplements.  The first stop I  
made after determining that Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP was going to  
stay in this world was to a wonderful holistic vet named Betty  
Boswell.  She worked with my regular vets, Middletown Animal Clinic,  
and Dixie lived three wonderful, healthy years.  She had everything  
possible during her life.a big bed, doll, travel, love.but  
there was stress too.  Dixie was a throw-away that showed up in the  
pine thicket behind my Mom's.  She was several years old then and,  
from the looks of her, I suspect she was not planning on staying in  
this world.  Love, which was mutual, seems to have turned things around.


Most of all, don't count the days.  Throw the calender away.  No one  
knows how long they will live so just live in the moment.  Honest.  It  
is difficult but you have taken the first step.  Listen to the people  
on this list and follow your heart.  Not everyone agrees and not  
everything works for everyone.  The knowledge and comfort here is great.


Blessings to you for caring for this little one.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, stargazer 12 wrote:



A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat.  
Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in   
have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox  
for about 1 yr per my friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to  
find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs  
to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research  
 says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has  
been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A  
neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is  
very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very  
stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier,  
I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed  
at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel  
like I am keeping my friend alive too.




Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread Laurieskatz
Joyce, you are an angel for giving Spicey a home - doing this for both
Spicey and your friend.
Do you have something of your friends that you can put in the room with him
so something smells familiar?
That might comfort him if you can do that. Does he have a good hiding place
available in the room where you have him? Access to a window to look out? He
will explore...he may wait until no one is around. He is getting accustomed
to the smells and sounds of your house.

Clavamox for a year is a long time.
Wonder if you might be able to find another vet who knows about FeLV.
I had two FeLV+ cats who lived to ages 16 and 22 years of age.
Does he have symptoms - sneezing, runny eyes, snotty nose, diarrhea?

I believe you will be blessed by this kitty in the same way that he has been
blessed by you.
Feed him the best food you can afford. Preferably a good canned food. My
FeLV kitties weren't on any treatments or supplements.
We did use interferon with another FeLV+ cat my niece rescued. She is the
picture of health. She was quite sick when rescued (as an adult) but is
maintaining well on interferon. We did have her on antibiotics for a brief
time and pain killers and prednisone for about 1 1/2 years before
transitioning to just interferon. 

Laurie

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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey


A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has
feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare
room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my
friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is
there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this
disease. I have been during research  says the cat should not be stressed.
Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital
since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the
couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be
very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I
do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I
think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping
my friend alive too.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread Cougar Clan
Another thought:  Watch Spicey's teeth and gums.  Not right now  
obviously but when things settle down.  Yes, you can get a cat used to  
having its mouth opened.  Good dental practices are important.  Dixie  
had stomatitis and we treated it with Petzlife Brush Away (put a  
little in the cat's mouth and he will spread it around).  Regular gum/ 
teeth checks will help you catch any anemia problems.  They hit Dixie  
suddenly.

On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:


Joyce, you are an angel for giving Spicey a home - doing this for both
Spicey and your friend.
Do you have something of your friends that you can put in the room  
with him

so something smells familiar?
That might comfort him if you can do that. Does he have a good  
hiding place
available in the room where you have him? Access to a window to look  
out? He
will explore...he may wait until no one is around. He is getting  
accustomed

to the smells and sounds of your house.

Clavamox for a year is a long time.
Wonder if you might be able to find another vet who knows about FeLV.
I had two FeLV+ cats who lived to ages 16 and 22 years of age.
Does he have symptoms - sneezing, runny eyes, snotty nose, diarrhea?

I believe you will be blessed by this kitty in the same way that he  
has been

blessed by you.
Feed him the best food you can afford. Preferably a good canned  
food. My

FeLV kitties weren't on any treatments or supplements.
We did use interferon with another FeLV+ cat my niece rescued. She  
is the
picture of health. She was quite sick when rescued (as an adult) but  
is
maintaining well on interferon. We did have her on antibiotics for a  
brief

time and pain killers and prednisone for about 1 1/2 years before
transitioning to just interferon.

Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of stargazer 12
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey


A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat.  
Spicey has
feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a  
spare

room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my
friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the  
specifics. Is

there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this
disease. I have been during research  says the cat should not be  
stressed.
Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the  
hospital
since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding  
under the
couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he  
has to be
very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his  
carrier, I
do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at  
all. I
think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am  
keeping

my friend alive too.



Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.



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Joyce  Spicey










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