Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
hey Joslin - glad you brought that up - I did do this, and the shelters that don't have FeLVs gave their vets my number. thanks for mentioning this. --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:35 AM Call around to your local vets and have them take your name and number, that way the ignorant people whom think death is the only way to help a FeLV cat have another option... you... From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 1:25:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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well said, Michael. that is what I found. It took some investigating to uncover them :) --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:25 AM there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I did check out one nearby that has raving reviews - it was awful, I wouldn't bring a cockroach there! I'm sure there are, Michael, but as you said, maybe we just don't know about them. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
that's so awesome, Joslin! My vet is young and open minded - the clinic onwers of the place she is at always 'suggests' that FIV and FeLV kitties be put down. Because we have both, and have gone through learning experiences with these kitties, she no longer suggests this to clients. Same with the staff there. We are in a position to change minds. When people chat with me in the waiting room and ask about our cute cat, I always work it in that he's FIV and that we have a FeLV too. I remember when I was uneducated about this and thought there were no options because that is what I had been told by 'experts', and my mind was changed. Shannon --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Shannon, you had spoken about having 2 cats you might need help placing, get back to me and we can talk. i might be able to help Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 9:41:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... that's so awesome, Joslin! My vet is young and open minded - the clinic onwers of the place she is at always 'suggests' that FIV and FeLV kitties be put down. Because we have both, and have gone through learning experiences with these kitties, she no longer suggests this to clients. Same with the staff there. We are in a position to change minds. When people chat with me in the waiting room and ask about our cute cat, I always work it in that he's FIV and that we have a FeLV too. I remember when I was uneducated about this and thought there were no options because that is what I had been told by 'experts', and my mind was changed. Shannon --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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Sometimes it's not fair to state that Natalie. There are people who really love their Felv+ cat(s) and just want the best for them AND for their other Felv negative cats. Not everybody has the space to keep healthy and 'sick' cats separate and try to find different solutions so everybody will be happy in the end. Unfortunately that's often hard to find. It is also not fair to stick the Felv+ cat in a separate room or a cage for the rest of their lives! When I found out Oreo had Felv and still had hope for her, I tried to find somebody who already had a Felv + kitty. That would have been the best for everybody. Unfortunately the disease turned for the worse in no time and it turned out I didn't have to make a decision. It was already made for me :-( I still have to test all 6 (+ found kitten who is in bathroom isolation) cats tested for their second round, after losing Oreo. I have night mares about one or more being + this time (after being neg the first go around). My cats (and my horses and dogs) are my everything! 2011/1/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Peggy, I believe that you misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't talking about any of us who do rescue or have multiple cat households and therefore may not have separate places for sick cats - I always had a space for FIV, but not for FeLV until three years ago, not by choice, but due to necessity because if I didn't take them, who would? I wasn't talking about people who love their FeLV+ or FIV+ cats...I'm talking about the ones who just want to be rid of them - death or abandonment! Those are the ones who call me; I don't hear from the ones who keep their sick cats (except members of this group). When I talk about people who don't want their own positive cats (almost always the ONLY cat they have in the house) - why shouldn't I expect them to take care of a FeLV+ cats, instead of either killing or giving them up to shelters for others to care for them. Our FIV+ cats have a room of their own, and the two FeLV+ cats have a large condo that we built for them - I don't keep any cats in cages except for recuperation and/or introduction purposes. Even after doing this for 18 1/2 yrs now, I still cannot get used to people who aren't' more loyal to their sick cats! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Sometimes it's not fair to state that Natalie. There are people who really love their Felv+ cat(s) and just want the best for them AND for their other Felv negative cats. Not everybody has the space to keep healthy and 'sick' cats separate and try to find different solutions so everybody will be happy in the end. Unfortunately that's often hard to find. It is also not fair to stick the Felv+ cat in a separate room or a cage for the rest of their lives! When I found out Oreo had Felv and still had hope for her, I tried to find somebody who already had a Felv + kitty. That would have been the best for everybody. Unfortunately the disease turned for the worse in no time and it turned out I didn't have to make a decision. It was already made for me :-( I still have to test all 6 (+ found kitten who is in bathroom isolation) cats tested for their second round, after losing Oreo. I have night mares about one or more being + this time (after being neg the first go around). My cats (and my horses and dogs) are my everything! 2011/1/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me
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Shannon, I agree with you on the uneducated part in the beginning... I had always been asked if I wanted to vaccinate my cats but knowing little and never knowing anyone with a (+) I figured it would never happen to us, and even thou it has it has been a blessing... i realized just how precious he is to me, and just how much cleaner i need to keep things not only for him but the whole famly as well I know sooner or later our time will be up with him, but at least he not only taught us something but... we gave him everything we had. ~Joz Zoey~ To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ Join us on Catster: http://www.catster.com/cats/1044145 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You never know. This list works wonders. We had a double pos (FELV confirmed by the IFA test) and she got adopted by a wonderful lady named Emily in Waco. We would never kill a cat just because they are FELV+ We always really want to get them into a home, though. Having had a special needs kitty with complete endiocardial cushion defect, I know what it is like to come in every night with the first thing on your mind being if your cat is still alive. I just CANNOT do that again. I deeply admire anyone who can. I have one of those vets too, would not trade him for love or money. Kelley On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Call around to your local vets and have them take your name and number, that way the ignorant people whom think death is the only way to help a FeLV cat have another option... you... From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 1:25:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
