Shadows and Bramble
I thought I'd share this I had a strange exprience this morning. I got up around 6.30am to go to the bathroom which is next door to my bedroom. It was dark and I did not put any lights on as I intended to go back to bed. Of course the cats stay with me and I close the door so they don't get anywhere near my dog Candy (still strange saying dog instead of dogs). For a second I saw the perfectly formed silhouette of a cat walk out from my bedroom and stopped in front of the bathroom. I thought I had left my door ajar and that Minstrel was coming out of the bedroom for a look around. I was clapping my hands and hurrying to stop her going downstairs but the cat shadow just stayed there not moving. When I got up and went over there was nothing there and my door was shut tight so it was definitely not Minstrel. I didn't think anything of it at the time but I do believe in spirits and that space outside the bathroom is where Bramble liked to lie. He used to walk from the bedroom and lie there if I was in the bathroom. It's bizarre but I do wonder if he's found his way home. If he has then it's the first time I've ever seen the spirit of a pet who I put to sleep. I did have the ghost of one of my dogs when she died at home with cancer but she dissapeared when Gemma, Deano Candy appeared - it was nice to have her there though - she would appear walking out from her usual spots to get her toast in the morning. It may have been nothing but the silhouette was so defined and walked out so clearly. Fingers crossed - I will talk to my angels as I do sometimes and ask them to revisit. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Re: Shadows and Bramble
Michelle, Isn't that wonderful that you've had a visit from Bramble! It makes sense that it would happen when you were sleepy and in that wonderful state of receptiveness. Don't start doubting! Shortly after Jazzy passed, I had a visit from her too. I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth, (maybe bathrooms are portals!), I was thinking of my Jazz, missing her, but mostly being grateful for knowing her, when I heard her trill to me. It wasn't like a the thought of a trill, it was audible, it came from the small hall right outside the bathroom door. I heard it. Jazz was the only one of my cats that made that particular sound, I knew it was her. It only took a moment for me to start doubting it. I quick looked around to see if anyone else had made the trill. There was no one outside the window, no one in the hall. Timmy was fast asleep in the bedroom next door. I'm sure it was a visit from my beautiful Jazz, she came to let me know she was okay and still connected, and so did your Bramble. Thanks for sharing his visit with us. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd share this I had a strange exprience this morning. I got up around 6.30am to go to the bathroom which is next door to my bedroom. It was dark and I did not put any lights on as I intended to go back to bed. Of course the cats stay with me and I close the door so they don't get anywhere near my dog Candy (still strange saying dog instead of dogs). For a second I saw the perfectly formed silhouette of a cat walk out from my bedroom and stopped in front of the bathroom. I thought I had left my door ajar and that Minstrel was coming out of the bedroom for a look around. I was clapping my hands and hurrying to stop her going downstairs but the cat shadow just stayed there not moving. When I got up and went over there was nothing there and my door was shut tight so it was definitely not Minstrel. I didn't think anything of it at the time but I do believe in spirits and that space outside the bathroom is where Bramble liked to lie. He used to walk from the bedroom and lie there if I was in the bathroom. It's bizarre but I do wonder if he's found his way home. If he has then it's the first time I've ever seen the spirit of a pet who I put to sleep. I did have the ghost of one of my dogs when she died at home with cancer but she dissapeared when Gemma, Deano Candy appeared - it was nice to have her there though - she would appear walking out from her usual spots to get her toast in the morning. It may have been nothing but the silhouette was so defined and walked out so clearly. Fingers crossed - I will talk to my angels as I do sometimes and ask them to revisit. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Re: Shadows and Bramble
Wonderful story and a wonderful thought, I am sure you saw Bramble.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd share thisI had a strange exprience this morning. I got up around 6.30am to go to the bathroom which is next door to my bedroom. It was dark and I did not put any lights on as I intended to go back to bed. Of course the cats stay with me and I close the door so they don't get anywhere near my dog Candy (still strange saying dog instead of dogs). For a second I saw the perfectly formed silhouette of a cat walk out from my bedroom and stopped in front of the bathroom. I thought I had left my door ajar and that Minstrel was coming out of the bedroom for a look around. I was clapping my hands and hurrying to stop her going downstairs but the cat shadow just stayed there not moving. When I got up and went over there was nothing there and my door was shut tight so it was definitely not Minstrel. I didn't think anything of it at the time but I do believe in spirits and that space outside the bathroom is where Bramble liked to lie. He used to walk from the bedroom and lie there if I was in the bathroom. It's bizarre but I do wonder if he's found his way home. If he has then it's the first time I've ever seen the spirit of a pet who I put to sleep. I did have the ghost of one of my dogs when she died at home with cancer but she dissapeared when Gemma, Deano Candy appeared - it was nice to have her there though - she would appear walking out from her usual spots to get her toast in the morning. It may have been nothing but the silhouette was so defined and walked out so clearly.Fingers crossed - I will talk to my angels as I do sometimes and ask them to revisit.Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble Have a purrfect day Cherie
signing angel Bramble
signing Angel Bramble is a lovely idea - thanks. I just visited the Candle light service site today for the first time to have a browse wondering how to add Bramble and it was lovely to see he is already there. The candle light service wasn't something I was too familiar with but who ever keeps up that site thankyou it is lovely Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel angel Bramble.
Re: signing angel Bramble
Michelle, Our wonderful Belinda maintains the CLS site. Bless her heart for doing so. There are so many times I'm too sad about our losses to even bring myself to visit, and she, week in and week out, makes sure all our beloved Angels are remembered. If you click on the little rainbow circle next to my Jazz, you'll find her picture there. Belinda was so very kind to include it for me. Why don't you send that lovely photo of you and Bramble that you sent me? I'm sure everyone would want to see him and you, you can feel how much love the two of you share. I'm so glad you've kept Angel Bramble in your signature. It feels right, doesn't it? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: signing Angel Bramble is a lovely idea - thanks. I just visited the Candle light service site today for the first time to have a browse wondering how to add Bramble and it was lovely to see he is already there. The candle light service wasn't something I was too familiar with but who ever keeps up that site thankyou it is lovely Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel angel Bramble.
Re: Bramble
Michelle, I am so sorry for your loss. I felt like I knew Bramble too. I know you are going to miss him so much after spending so much time caring for him. I'm so glad he had such a loving home. You were both lucky to find each other and Bramble knows how much you loved him. tonyaDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, Peace to you and your sweet Bramble. He is surely romping once again, healthy and full of vigor. You fought hard for him and gave him the love he deserved. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Thanks Thankyou all for kind words over Brambles passing. I am at peace becase I know it was right for him. He told me he had had enough and I am in no doubt of that. I can't remember who it was here who suggeted communicating with your cats in that way but I thank you so much - it is the way I will go in future - it was a learning experience but so spiritual - I listened and I heard - and it was right each time. What does upset me is that Buddy and Minstrel are upset now - both are disturbed and looking around for him - especially Buddy as she looked after him and washed him - I was doing well but havejust rolled around screaming in tears trying to explain to them what had happened. What I did forget to say though in my last mail is that when I took Bramble in from the sanctuary I promised I would never let him down and that I would never dessert him (as his last 2 owners dumped him when he was sick) - I recited this promise to him today and his ashes are coming home to stay with me despite only having him for a short time- I loved him as much as I ever could and he belongs with me. Michelle
Re: Bramble
Michelle, Peace to you and your sweet Bramble. He is surely romping once again, healthy and full of vigor. You fought hard for him and gave him the love he deserved. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Thanks Thankyou all for kind words over Brambles passing. I am at peace becase I know it was right for him. He told me he had had enough and I am in no doubt of that. I can't remember who it was here who suggeted communicating with your cats in that way but I thank you so much - it is the way I will go in future - it was a learning experience but so spiritual - I listened and I heard - and it was right each time. What does upset me is that Buddy and Minstrel are upset now - both are disturbed and looking around for him - especially Buddy as she looked after him and washed him - I was doing well but havejust rolled around screaming in tears trying to explain to them what had happened. What I did forget to say though in my last mail is that when I took Bramble in from the sanctuary I promised I would never let him down and that I would never dessert him (as his last 2 owners dumped him when he was sick) - I recited this promise to him today and his ashes are coming home to stay with me despite only having him for a short time- I loved him as much as I ever could and he belongs with me. Michelle
Saying goodbye to Bramble
I thought I'd better update - it saddens me to say that on Monday I will most likely be saying goodbye to my boy Bramble. I know I've been here before wondering if I should put to sleep or not - at all other times I had doubt and it felt wrong - now it feels right. He hasn't taken well to assisted feeding and is just getting scared of feeding time despite being as gentle as possible with the syringe - I'm getting less and less food in him each time. The interferon Omega has not killed off the calici like it did last time. He refuses to eat unassisted and is trying hide himself away. After going through so much I think he is now suffering and has had enough. He is alos being affectionate in a different manner than normal when I put him on my knee. When I asked him if he'd had enough he purred and nuzzled me - last time he got very restless. I think it's time - part of me hopes he passes quietly in his sleep before Monday but I doubt he will. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Saying goodbye to Bramble
oh, i'm sorry to hear this--but, in an odd way, rejoice that he trusts you so very much that he could be honest about his wanting to go on. you have loved him so well and so deeply, and that will never be forgotten by him, by the critters that have gone before and will follow after, nor by the people whose story his life has touched. i wish i could make the pain go away... -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Saying goodbye to Bramble
Michelle, I am so sorry to hear about this, you will know what is best for your beloved Bramble, but in case you wanted to ask him, I have recently had Kat ( Kathleen A. Berard,Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC. www.katberard.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Communicatewith Venus about the whole peeing thing, and we are working on Venus's issues. You might want to give her a call, and see if she can squeeze you in, if not I am sure you know in your heart of hearts that this is the right thing to do...I am so sorry you have to make this choice, even though rest assured what ever you choose is the best for your baby. Good luck Huggs Cherie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd better update - it saddens me to say that on Monday I will most likely be saying goodbye to my boy Bramble. I know I've been here before wondering if I should put to sleep or not - at all other times I had doubt and it felt wrong - now it feels right. He hasn't taken well to assisted feeding and is just getting scared of feeding time despite being as gentle as possible with the syringe - I'm getting less and less food in him each time. The interferon Omega has not killed off the calici like it did last time. He refuses to eat unassisted and is trying hide himself away. After going through so much I think he is now suffering and has had enough. He is alos being affectionate in a different manner than normal when I put him on my knee. When I asked him if he'd had enough he purred and nuzzled me - last time he got very restless. I think it's time - part of me hopes he passes quietly in his sleep before Monday but I doubt he will. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel BuddyHave a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Saying goodbye to Bramble
Oh, Michelle, I'm so, sosorry. My heart goes out to you and Bramble. Like everyone else on the list, I'm sure, I feel I've grown to know Bramble so well. He is such a sweet, plucky, gutsy little guy. You two have such a strong bond, and it's been such an intense and tough time for you both...you both have worked so hard, and fought the good fight with such tremendous love and determinationand dedication. Like you, I hope if it is time, that Bramble passes peacefully in his sleep. But if that is not the case, you are so attuned to your little guy that there is no doubt you will make the right decision, whatever that may be, and that he will completely trust you to do that. Sending tons of positive healing vibes for Bramble and praying that he rebounds over the weekend--miracles do happen. I'm glad he has such a devoted and loving mom. much love and big hugs to you both and please know I'm thinking of you both, Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: Saying goodbye to Bramble I thought I'd better update - it saddens me to say that on Monday I will most likely be saying goodbye to my boy Bramble. I know I've been here before wondering if I should put to sleep or not - at all other times I had doubt and it felt wrong - now it feels right. He hasn't taken well to assisted feeding and is just getting scared of feeding time despite being as gentle as possible with the syringe - I'm getting less and less food in him each time. The interferon Omega has not killed off the calici like it did last time. He refuses to eat unassisted and is trying hide himself away. After going through so much I think he is now suffering and has had enough. He is alos being affectionate in a different manner than normal when I put him on my knee. When I asked him if he'd had enough he purred and nuzzled me - last time he got very restless. I think it's time - part of me hopes he passes quietly in his sleep before Monday but I doubt he will. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Saying goodbye to Bramble
Michelle, did you stop giving him that ringworm medication? I saw on the FIV list that it's been known to kill FIV+ cats. Just want to be sure he's not just having another bad medication reaction like last time Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Thanks for that info, Jo. I wasa big fan of Rebound (a liquid meal replacement for sick cats; had some electroloyetes in it, too) until they changed the formula! Since I discovered it, I always had sick kitties lap it; NOW, the new improved formula is a) lower in calories (?huh? why would you decrease calories to an animal who's not eating?) and b) far less palatable if my tribe is any indication. Michelle, how about the oil or water from a can of tuna or mackeral? Sending best wishes and hoping Bramble will eat soon. Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this mentioned, but its worth a shot... Have you tried CliniCare? Its like Ensure for kitties... in fact they are made by the same company. Its complete nutrition and its even used for kitties fed via a tube. Here's a link so you know what to look for. http://www.abbottanimalhealth.com/nut_clinicare_caninefeline.html I'm on 9 different groups and its used across the boards. Since its liquid, it can be force fed via a syringe. Hope this helps, Jo __ In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I haven't seen this mentioned, but its worth a shot... Have you tried CliniCare? Its like Ensure for kitties... in fact they are made by the same company. Its complete nutrition and its even used for kitties fed via a tube. Here's a link so you know what to look for. http://www.abbottanimalhealth.com/nut_clinicare_caninefeline.html I'm on 9 different groups and its used across the boards. Since its liquid, it can be force fed via a syringe. Hope this helps, Jo __ In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
Bramble fluids periactin ect..
Yes Bramble is getting periactin - half a tablet 2 times a day. He is also drinking water and getting extra water with his syringed food so is hydrated. When the vet weighed him the other day he hadn't actually last too much weight surprisingly and feels as though he has a put a little on now with the syringed food - He had a sniff at some food today and ate a couple of biscuits himself but nothing other than that. Haven't tried the liver as I can't stomach to handle livers etc... I can only just managed scraping fish out of tin or handing ready cooked sliced chicken. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy Minstrel has a bit of a runny nose today so calicivirus is just being carried around by all 3 of them.
Re: Bramble fluids periactin ect..
Michelle, Sniffing at food is a good sign and is often a precursor to them starting to eat on their own. Michelle
Re: Bramble fluids periactin ect..
(just make sure you have a barf bag right next to you when you go to open it) LOL! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~ Hi Michelle, I'm not sure if this is the same or not in the UK (that's where you are located, correct?) but in the US, you can purchase a plastic tub of chicken livers. The are literally floating in blood and the whole thing is reasonably disgusting, but rather than make the liver shake, if you could obtain the tub of livers, you could simply take the lid off and set it out for Bramble to see if it would tempt him. Raw liver has tempted some of my kitties when absolutely nothing else would, and sometimes when they get those taste buds going, it gets them curious about what else might be around to much on. Hope this helps; sending a big hugs and lots of positive energy. Julie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005
Bramble update
Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble update
That is really great! And you have no idea how crazy you sound saying that your mom has cat care duties because you are parachuting for a donkey sanctuary! It's why I love this group! Michelle In a message dated 8/12/05 5:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble update
Crazy? Not for THIS group! ROFL =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Bramble update That is really great! And you have no idea how crazy you sound saying that your mom has cat care duties because you are parachuting for a donkey sanctuary! It's why I love this group! Michelle In a message dated 8/12/05 5:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble update
Wow, Michelle! What wonderful news about Bramble! I have my fingers crossed! Best of luck tomorrow; I think what you're doing is fantastic and you have WAY more gumption than I do! I don't even like being up in the air when I stay inside the plane! Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble update
Dear Michelle Great to hear that Bramble is enjoying his food---AND eating on his own now. He's obviously benefiting from your strength---I can't tell you how much I admire you, Michelle, for signing up for a parachute jump for the donkey sanctuary. ICAN tell you however that that's one of the three P's I've always feared most in life (the other two being pregnancy--too old now--and public speaking!). Yep, you'll see me sprouting wings before you see me parachute--I'm way, waytoo much of a coward. You go girl! And let us know how it goes! (Since I happen to have a British checkbook, let me know where to send you a donation (and give me an idea ontheaverage donation so I don't embarrass myself!) Good luck--we're all cheering you on from across the pond! And big hugs to Bramble. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Bramble update Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble update
Parachuting? You are CRAZY! I'd rather perform home dentistry with a pair of pliers and an ice pick! You do have a will that specifies for the care of your cats if you die, right? Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005
Re: Bramble update
and the first thing i said when i came out of the anesthetic after my second back surgery was, i guess this means i never will get to take up skydiving, huh? i LOVE heights, always wanted to do parachuting.. yep, we are a STRANGE group of folks -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Bramble
Michelle, Hi, hope Bramble is eating some more today.. I have used a feeding tube in the past...I had a kitty that hadlymphosarcoma, so she wasput on chemo monthly and had to have a tube which when they did the exploratory and found they couldn't remove the mass they just inserted it then...They usually only keep it a few months while they are recouping, but she had it the rest of her life...I would feed her 40ccs twice a day with her meds in it slowly in the tube...It is a very good way to medicate kitties that don't need the stress of giving meds all day long.. After she started feeling better, she started eating on her own and I just used it to give meds...She lived another 9 months and they seemed to be the happiest of her 13 yrs...She would clean the tube and never bothered it...They told me if she pulled it out don't worry, it would be ok...It was about 31/2 in long in her side and had a stopper in it...I know the chemo sounds bad, but kitties don't react like people or even dogs..They don't get sick from it...She would always come home feeling better...She even gained about 3 lbs after starting it...but that is a bad form of cancer in our kitties so even with chemo and supplements, they usually only live a yr or so...but do feel much better... Good luck to you and Bramble.. kerry and Bandy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble
Glad to hear he is still hanging in there... I kinda suspected he would, he is one TOUGH cat! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005
RE: Bramble
Title: Message Michelle, you're doing so well, getting enough food into Bramble. That's great to hear. He's such a trooper--you both are! I'm rooting for him--(and hope for your sake he decides to eat for himself soon!). take care Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:32 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble Managing with the syringe feeding of Bramble so far - at least he is getting the food he needs - he is not overly keen on the syringe but is tolerating it well. He jumped up for his morning cuddle so will just need to see how we go. He shows no sign of eating for himself yet. I suspect he will grow used to syringe feeding and enjoy the attention too much to feed himself again but I keep hoping. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy =00Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bramble
Michelle, I've never had to use a feeding tube, but from what I hear, the kitties that need them do really well and even enjoy being fed through them when they adjust to the concept. When Gypsy was so close to death, I would have welcomed one for her, but she was too weak to undergo the sedation that was necessary to put one in. Do you think something like that might help Bramble regain some weight and strength? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Managing with the syringe feeding of Bramble so far - at least he is getting the food he needs - he is not overly keen on the syringe but is tolerating it well. He jumped up for his morning cuddle so will just need to see how we go. He shows no sign of eating for himself yet. I suspect he will grow used to syringe feeding and enjoy the attention too much to feed himself again but I keep hoping. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble
I had to syringe feed Ginger for two weeks, through bad teeth and a bad URI, before she started eating on her own. Cyproheptadine (periactin) did help her some-- I don't remember if Bramble is already getting this or not. Did you try the liver shake? Michelle
RE: Bramble
I am sorry, I havent read that all the strings of messages but is he getting fluid at least every day? When my Leo was ill, he couldnt eat anything and I couldnt force feed him, so I gave him fluid every day for 10 days or so I know without that, he wouldnt have made it.. but I am sure that you are already doing that.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble I had to syringe feed Ginger for two weeks, through bad teeth and a bad URI, before she started eating on her own. Cyproheptadine (periactin) did help her some-- I don't remember if Bramble is already getting this or not. Did you try the liver shake? Michelle
Bramble
Bramble went to the vet yesterday. He is probably bodering was was not considered to be too dehydrated - he does still drink water though, he was given some sub-Q fluids but would only tolerate 45ml. The vet gave me some Hills a/d food to syringe feed him and we have put him on periactin to stimulate his appetite. My last girl Tidge benefitted from periactin for while so I hope it works for Bramble too. If he doesn't take in food by syringe then he will go in to be put on a drip feed - he is taking the syringe feed though at the moment and a tiny bit ofcat food and chicken. Very messy job syringing as he keeps moving his head bless him. Ihave talked to him and told him how much I love him and would miss him dearly etc but that if he wanted to let his body go and stay with me in spirit then I'd understand and help him if he wanted - tried this a few times but he gets really uncomfortable when I talk about it so I guess he isn't quite ready to go yet. He doesn't like being syringe fed but despite trying to run awayI think he knows deep down it is to try and help him. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Bramble
Michelle, We are all pulling for Bramble. Joan
Re: Bramble is worse
Hi, I hope Bramble is feeling somewhat better today. I don't know if you posted or someone else about your kitty having a hot head and ears with a normal rectal temp..I have a 14 yr old that does this all the time..It is his blood pressure...When it is elevated, his ears are red and his head is really hot...with a normal temp..You might ask about that.. Also, my Bandy is on oxazepam .1ml transdermal twice daily for an appetite stimulant.. Hope this is of some help.. We will keep you and Bramble in our prayers.. Kerry R. and Bandy Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Bramble
I am praying for Bramble!!! I hope all is well.
RE: Bramble is worse
Michele, I am very sorry to hear Bramble is getting worse. I will pay for you two. Hug Alejandra From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble is worseDate: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:22:33 EDTToday Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodes andrefuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force fed him bits but he getsstressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting togive up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am justsobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helpsstimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting tootired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may haveconsidered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lackof motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tubeif he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is sayingno more.Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Bramble
Thankyou all for kind words and prayers. I syringed fed a little chicken soup last night and got his tablets down him but it was not easy. He slept on my bed most of the night and mostly on top of me. He was so so sick yesterday - his head was stooping as he was constantlydozing and had an enlarged lymoh node. He seems only a little better today - he is still sick but has eaten some dry food. I Gave him the option of different wet foods and by accident I discovered he wanted the dry which I had to mix in Minstrel and Buddy's wet food. It is complete dry food so better than nothing at all - I have got his vitamin in him again so will keep a close eye. His head and ears have been getting so hot too despite his rectal temperature being normal when vets have taken it. Just asked at the FIV group if they can have a temperature without it being dectected rectally - does anyone here know anything about that? I saw this behaviour in my darling Tidge towards the end when she was in FAIDS so I may have been wrong to think Bramble was still one step before FAIDS, he is losing weight again fast. Hope I'm wrong this time thinking it's his time to pass. Praying Hard and I'll keep trying to motivate him Michelle, Bramble, Buddy, Minstrel
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I keep mentioning this, but I think it is worth trying Immuno-regulin shots. They really helped, I think, when Patches had pneumonia and when Ginger had a URI that gave her a fever and made her not eat anything. There are articles in I-R and FeLV on this group's website. I would assume they help when the cat has FIV as well. Michelle
Bramble is worse
Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Re: Bramble is worse
Michelle, I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella. Peace and prayers for you and Bramble. Hugs,Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
RE: Bramble is worse
Title: Message Oh, Michelle, I am so sorry andIcompletely understand -- we all do -- your anguish over what poor, brave Brambleis going through. Whatever you decide you need to do to help him, please never forget that Bramble could not have a more loving and devoted "mom" than you. And that you have been, and will continue to be,giving him all the support he needson his journey through his difficult life. Thinking about you and sending positive vibes for Bramble, along with prayers that he'll rebound over the weekend. love and hugs Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bramble is worse
Michelle I am sorry, I havent been catching up with all emails but I just read about Bramble I am so very sorry to hear that he is not doing well I can feel your pain so much, Michelle and I wish there were words or way to make you feel better please know regardless of his current condition I will be praying for a miracle so that he will bounce back and get better so, michelle, please tell Bramble not to give up yet - Hugs to you and Bramble - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del Daniels Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble is worse Michelle, I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella. Peace and prayers for you and Bramble. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Re: Bramble is worse
I am so sorry to hear about Bramble I have been off and on and tring to follow as best I can but, Have you tried an animal communicator? Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.Have a purrfect day Cherie
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Oh Michelle, I hope somehow you are wrong and Bramble's just especially down today. Go ahead and cry, you certainly have cause. If your intuition is right and Bramble is too tired to keep fighting... I so hope that's not the case. You've done so much more than most would have to bring him back to health. I love that picture you sent of the two of you, it really says it all. I've thought of it several times yesterday and today and it's always brought a smile to my face, there's so much love between the two of you. Keep your heart and intuition open to that amazing boy of yours, you'll know what to do, even if you are drowning in a sea of tears. Bramble understands. Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers. Much love to you and all your babies, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodes and refuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass. I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
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Healing prayers to Bramble and to all of the other sick/missing/troubledfurbabies -- I'm so behind it isn't funny, so I haven't had time to post lately. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Del Daniels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Bramble is worse Michelle, I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella. Peace and prayers for you and Bramble. Hugs,Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Bramble and painful experiences
Bramble managed to eat nearly 2 sachets of cat food yesterday - he won't touch any of the extra bits I got to try - cottage cheese, ice cream, cream, butter, etc... He seems to like the John west pressed cod roe though (if he eats it he can have it). I came home from work and worked from home yesterday and stayed here today to try him with food every hour and it is working - he has eaten more this morning and is much less stressed without me trying to assist his feeding - I wave the plate in front of him and talk to him ans stroke him to encourage him and give him lots of kisses after he's eaten. He has eaten nearly a full sachet of Felix this morning and a bit of cod roe and I'll keep trying every hour for him to eat a mouth full. At least he took his heart med today - he wouldn't take it yesterday so I did force him to keep his stress down - he has had enough stress lately. I think your right Kerry - tlc and good nursing go a long way with animals - one of the best medicines possible. Secondly Alejandra - Sorry for your loss - I know all too well as everyone else does how it feels to lose a dear kittie. My last girl Tidge was a stray I took in and tested negative for FIV FeLV. I knew nothing about feline health needs and nothing about FIV or FeLV as she was my first cat. I was back and forward to vets trusting their incorrect diagnoses - but we discovered to late she did have FIV and was so ill she had to be euthanased (March this year). The pain was unbearable and when my babies go I always have an emotional breakdown. I then started researching more about FIV FeLV which is how I found these groups. Despite the pain of losing her and never wanting to go through it again the short time I had her was so full of love and she trusted me so much. Knowing that she was loved and was saved from neglect and had a good home for her last months is worth the heartache and I'd do it all again. She touched me so so much that despite not wanting to experience that pain again I know that I have to go through it as it is part of being a good pet owner. Being devasted about their loss shows how much you care and that is the kind of love that animals need and especially sick cats. I now have Bramble (FIV) Buddy (FIV) and Minstrel (FeLV) knowing that my heart is going to be broken but it so good being able to give them a home for what ever time they have knowing they will get the care they deserve. So It's understandable that you feel you can't go through it again yet but instead of ruling it out give it time - you may end up naturally drawn to helping these cats (I said never again at first too) -I know now thatIwill continue tohelp immune compromised catshowever much it hurts because it would be wrong of me to not allow another cat in need to benefit from the growing knowledge and experience that I am getting. Plus the more exposure you have the more knowledge you gain and you feel more confident in your care and decisions - it always remains worrying when they are sick though and devasting when your best efforts can't do anymore. These groups help so much - the knowledge and experience people have is so valuable. I hope your pain eases soon as with everyone who has recently lost. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to mind for people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Chilling food sounds like it might help make it easier on poor Bramble's throat. Blending, or liquefying might help. He may need you to assist-feed him to help him get started. There's a recipe for liver shake, but I would substitute the tomato/V8 juice, (maybe plain chicken broth?), it would probably be too acidic for a sore throat. Have you tried offering him stuff like ice cream, or sour cream? If you do end up assist-feeding, and he likes yogurt, ice cream, or sour cream, you could offer him those afterward. Cherie, are you reading this? It sounds like this might be what was going on with Snowball, isn't that the name of your kitty with the blood, do you think so? Here's the liver shake recipe from Michelle Lerner: Liver Shake: 1 cup raw liver (chicken or beef, I use chicken) 1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8 1/4 cup filtered water 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp kelp or spirulina Blend until liquid and frothy. If cat will not eat it, syringe 10 cc every 3 hours up to a max of 60 cc/day. I make it in half batches (though use a whole egg yolk), and warm up small amounts for Simon. I had to put it on his lips the first few times to get him to eat it. it is supposed to be complete nutrition. Nina maimaipg wrote: Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to mind for people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
1. Get your vet to give him Immuno-regulin, which you can order cheaply online if he does not have it. I really think it helps them get over infections and viruses faster. 2. To soothe his mouth and throat, syringe him slippery elm syrup. You can get powdered slippery elm at a health food store, or in capsules. Mix it with boiling water (I used capsules and it was 5 capsules to a cup of water, I think) and stir until dissolved. Turn off heat and keep stirring until it has a syrupy consistency. Let it cool down and syringe him a couple of cc's a few times a day-- syringe it slowly so it goes down slowly and coats his throat. I use slippery elm lozenges myself when I have sore throats-- it is a gentle age-old remedy and is fine for cats (also good for diarrhea and constipation and nausea by the way, and has nutrients). 3. I would syringe feed him, something very blended and liquidy, so he does not get sicker from not eating. You might want to do it shortly after giving the slippery elm so his throat feels better. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMichelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No newideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. JennAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I would definitely try a little syringe feeding. A/D food for ill animals easily mixes with water. It may perk up his appetite. Cats who go too long without eating will get Hepatic Lipidosis. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 3:46 am Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble, Nina Jenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,NinaJenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were trying to come up with things that would be soothing. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
The reason why you don't give it to human babies isbecause honey has been known to contain Botulismspores. Human babies are notorously unhealthy little fragile things. Most cats shouldn't beeffected in any way, even if they do get a dab of contaminated honey. In fact, I can quote the ONLYcase ever known of wherea cat contractedBotulism from eating anything: http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/full/42/11/5406 No cases of cats contracting it via honey have everbeen reported. Here's a clip from another webpage on the subject: Botulism: Botulism is caused by Clostridium botulinum. Animals get it from ingesting preformed toxin in contaminated food. Honey is a major source of botulism toxin. There have been no natural cases reported in the cat. Most dogs are relatively resistant, however it is seen in the dog. Dogs with botulism become progressively weaker and weaker until they are unable to stand. They have decreased jaw tone (so the jaw drops), salivate excessively, and have a weak bark. The disease can be diagnosed by finding toxin in blood, feces or organs. Therapy consists of antitoxin and supportive care. Fortunately, dogs can recover. Botulism toxin can be inactivated by heating food to high temperatures (80 degrees Celsius for 30 minutes or 100 degrees Celcius for 10 minutes.) Also, prevent your pet from eating carcasses. That being said, Anything thick and able to coat the throat will help though. Karo is probably safer. Here are some websites that sayhoney is safe, and even recommended for pets: http://www.pets4life.com/index.php?p=research/articles/13 http://www.purelypets.com/articles/epilepsyarticle.htm http://www.homemade4life.com/faqs.html JennAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,Nina No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Have you tried chilling Just Born or one of the mother's milk products on the market---calories + protein + formulated for catsmaybe mixed with AD - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were trying to come up with things that would be soothing. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
My vet gave it orally to a cat of mine and it worked great. However, if the cat is already hungry it seems unnecessary. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese.. I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d. Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup.. Hope he feels better soon. Kerry and Bandy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I forgot to mention that my Bandy is on oxazepam transdermal for appetite stimulant..It seems to be working good with no side effects.. He receives this twice daily..You might ask your vet about that...It really seems to work... Kerry R.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not eating well... Tad Kerry Roach wrote: I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese.. I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d. Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup.. Hope he feels better soon. Kerry and Bandy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
But if his throat is raw and that is the problem, the tomato juice, while tasting good, would probably sting. I still recommend trying slippery elm for the soreness. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:08:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not eating well...Tad
Re: Bramble still mild seizures
Good luck with the ringworm, and Buddy's sickness. I, too, hope it's not anything that will get passed around again! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/2005
Buddy and Bramble
I went to the vet - I had fun trying to catch Buddy to get her in the cat carrier. She tried to jump off the vet consult table twice - I had to catch her in mid air. We are waiting to see if she will be able to fight off the virus over the weekend - if she does we will leave her for now - if not then we will swab test for calcivirus and get her on interferon omega if it is calici - it probably is as Bramble just got rid of it and I pray he doesn't get it back. I told the vet about Brambles seizures and she said if they are just staying as mild as they are then we will leave him alone and let it happen as treating them will do more harm that good at the moment - he is still on antibiotics and ringworm treatments and his skin is improving. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Bramble still mild seizures
I discovered yesterday that Bramble is still having very mild seizures - however, now that the revolution is out of his system the seizures are very mild compared to afterrevolution was given to him. He just freezes with his jaw open for seconds then carries on. He won't eat for a few hoursafter but then eats normally and has eaten his breakfast and medication. All in all - it was much milder and the same as when he first came from the sanctuary. I can't even rub rescue remedy on his ears due to treating him for ringworm around his ears - will mention it to the vet when we go next week. Buddy is going for her first visit tonight - she has stated sneezing and has a runny nose - hope it's not calicivirus again and hope Bramble doesn't start with it again if it is. Although I hope the Interferon Omega will keep that at Bay for Bramble. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
Re: Bones Bramble...for Michelle L.
Dear Michelle L.: You are so lucky to live where you can get the VO (feline-specific interferon)...is it as expensive in England as it is here? I am curious as to why you would want to obtain interferon-alpha (human type) when you can get the VO? I did not find the I-a to be of any benefit for either of my first two FeLV+ kittys...I lost one at 8 mos. to nonregenerative anemia and one at 16 mos. to what was probably lymphoma in her lungs. With the low dose usually prescribed, there is little liklihood of antibodies developing, but research has not shown it to be of any significant benefit at such a low dose. It may be MUCH cheaper than the VO, but even so, I found it to be a waste of $$, though some listmembers seem to think their cats do better when they are on it than off. In dealing with FeLV, a one size its all approach does not apply and each individual cat's immune response seems to vary. The I-a may have some benefit as a mild immune booster for a non-symptomatic cat, but I found it had no value whatsover in dealing with a cat who has developed significant symptoms and is crashing, which indicates the virus has mutated to one of its more virulent forms. At that point, there really is nothing that can turn the tide, only stem it somewhat, though the VO seems to have snatched Nina's Gracie back from the brink more than once, though was unable to save her sister Jazz. What I have found to be more beneficial as an immune booster is Transfer Factor. I have two FeLV+ cats, a brother/sister, now two years old, who remain stable and non-symptomatic and who have been on this type of immune support since they tested positive the second time at six months. I rescued a kitten last July who tested positive at six weeks and was going to be PTS. He came to me with runny eyes and horrid diarrhea, but his symptoms cleared after about 10 days on TF and a homeopathic remedy for the diarrhea. I kept him on the same regimen as the other two postives (raw-based diet and immune support with TF and Oli-Vet (olive leaf extract) and when he was neutered at 6 mos., he retested NEGATIVE. He is now a year old and in glowing good health with a personality that is larger than life. I've had two older cats apparently seroconvert from postive to negative status given a good diet and immune support, but Purrki is my first miracle baby. My most notable non-FeLV related success with the TF was in successfully nursing a 10-wk. old kitten through panleukopenia after the vet said she had virtually no chance to survive unless hospitalized and put on an IV. I could not afford to do that and if she had so little chance, I did not want her to die alone in a hospital cage, so took her home to do whatever I could, myself. She had been started on TF at the first sign of a temp, several days before the obvious symptoms of the P-virus, and I really think it was a deciding factor. I kept her on the TF and an abx was added to help fight off opportunistic bacterial infection due to degradation of the gut lining, syringe-fed her, gave her subQ fluids and kept her warm. Her vomiting stopped the second day and the putrid diarrhea began, but it never reached that awful, bloody sort so typical of the end-stage of the disease. My brave little Purrsia made a complete recovery from the dread P-virus, only to crash and be taken out 4 1/2 mos. later by FeLV-related nonregenerative anemia, which she had tested negative for previously. The VO was not then available to us here. Bless you for rescuing Bramble, Buddy and Minstrel from the less than optimum situation they were in, despite their + status. I wish you the best in finding what will work best to keep them stable. Sally in San Jose
Angel Wings and Bramble
1) Such a horrible thing to happen at Angel Wings but thank goodness the cats and dogs are now out of there - and even the ones who get euthanased have got to be better off than they were suffering in there. Sanctuary's are supposed to be safe for the animals - at least they are safe now. 2) Prayers for Flavia still - hope she improves soon. 3) Hope George is doing ok. 4) Hope Bones is still doing well 5) Bramble started to scratch his face again so I took him back to the vet. It doesn't resemble ringworm but the vet checked just in case and to rule it out - but the test showed he certainly has some ringworm accompanied by the bacterial folliculi (or whatever it is) - so he is now having iodine put on his skin twice daily and more medication. We don't know what is goig to interact with what so it is a wait and see situation. Can't leave him untreated that's for sure. He jumped on my chest in bed this morning ans started kneading my chest to tell me it was his breakfast time bless him - it was so nice. The vet is happy he looks mentally better and has put weight on. Still abattle but at least I have the better vet now. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Angel Wings and Bramble
Oh man NO! Not ringworm too! Are you scratching yet? I hope it's something that can be treated with the topical and you don't have to start with the dips. Blessings to that sweet Bramble. Thanks for letting us know how he's doing. Keep us posted, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Such a horrible thing to happen at Angel Wings but thank goodness the cats and dogs are now out of there - and even the ones who get euthanased have got to be better off than they were suffering in there. Sanctuary's are supposed to be safe for the animals - at least they are safe now. 2) Prayers for Flavia still - hope she improves soon. 3) Hope George is doing ok. 4) Hope Bones is still doing well 5) Bramble started to scratch his face again so I took him back to the vet. It doesn't resemble ringworm but the vet checked just in case and to rule it out - but the test showed he certainly has some ringworm accompanied by the bacterial folliculi (or whatever it is) - so he is now having iodine put on his skin twice daily and more medication. We don't know what is goig to interact with what so it is a wait and see situation. Can't leave him untreated that's for sure. He jumped on my chest in bed this morning ans started kneading my chest to tell me it was his breakfast time bless him - it was so nice. The vet is happy he looks mentally better and has put weight on. Still abattle but at least I have the better vet now. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
RE: Angel Wings and Bramble
I am sorry to hear about Brambles skin problem did you mention before that you checked any allergy problem with any food he has been eating I am a big believer in relationship between preservatives in food and skin allergy I do have two friends of mine whose kitties have had severe skin problem and couldnt figure out the reasons, one had been on steroid for years due to the problem. Anyway, they both stopped giving food with preservatives and start giving filtered water, and all of sudden, their skin problem went away Again I am not sure if this is the solution for Bramble, but I know it will not hurt At the same time, I am so happy to hear that Bramble is acting very happy it gives me a smile to picture him kneading on your chest, I will pray that he will continue to feel better Thank you for asking about George, I still havent made friends with him and I so would like to I am taking it very slowly because I dont want to stress him out more than necessary I hope his liver will recover completely soon! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:44 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Angel Wings and Bramble 1) Such a horrible thing to happen at Angel Wings but thank goodness the cats and dogs are now out of there - and even the ones who get euthanased have got to be better off than they were suffering in there. Sanctuary's are supposed to be safe for the animals - at least they are safe now. 2) Prayers for Flavia still - hope she improves soon. 3) Hope George is doing ok. 4) Hope Bones is still doing well 5) Bramble started to scratch his face again so I took him back to the vet. It doesn't resemble ringworm but the vet checked just in case and to rule it out - but the test showed he certainly has some ringworm accompanied by the bacterial folliculi (or whatever it is) - so he is now having iodine put on his skin twice daily and more medication. We don't know what is goig to interact with what so it is a wait and see situation. Can't leave him untreated that's for sure. He jumped on my chest in bed this morning ans started kneading my chest to tell me it was his breakfast time bless him - it was so nice. The vet is happy he looks mentally better and has put weight on. Still abattle but at least I have the better vet now. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Eating litter and Bramble
Poor Flavia - Tidge started to eat cat litter when she was getting ill but that went on for months. Sometimes it can be because they are lacking in a vitamin or mineral (can't remember which though), or some cats just like the feel of chewing litter although if she has just started on the litter then this is probably unlikely. As for Bramble well he ate his own breakfast and finished off Minstrel's and then ate a tin of tuna and half a tin of pilchards in sunflower oil about 2 hours later. He has started to put a little weight on too - still has to put more on but he looks much better and alert although still can't see much. He is doing very well everything considered. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, and Buddy
Re: Eating litter and Bramble
Great news about Mr. Bramble!! t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Flavia - Tidge started to eat cat litter when she was getting ill but that went on for months. Sometimes it can be because they are lacking in a vitamin or mineral (can't remember which though), or some cats just like the feel of chewing litter although if she has just started on the litter then this is probably unlikely.As for Bramble well he ate his own breakfast and finished off Minstrel's and then ate a tin of tuna and half a tin of pilchards in sunflower oil about 2 hours later. He has started to put a little weight on too - still has to put more on but he looks much better and alert although still can't see much. He is doing very well everything considered.Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, and Buddy
Flavia, George and Bramble
I hope Flavia and George are doing ok - I will keep praying for them. Jenn how is bones doing - hope he is ok too? As for my furboy - Bramble ate nearly a full pouch of whiskers cat food this morning along with 3 slices of chicken and I was so proud of him - he even came out and ate the cat food out of his own bowl on the floor besides Minstrel and Buddy. I still had to hand the chicken but he deserved that treat. He has not been eating from his bowl on the floor for a week or so now so this was a great sight to see - I have been picking him up and putting him the sofa next to me to feed him but he fed himself almost like normal this morning. He is urinating and drinking more so I was a little concerned about his kidneys but saying that it has been hot and he hasn't had much wet food which will make him need to drink more and his tablets often make cats pee more so I'm hoping. More blood tests I feel at this delicate time would be too stressful for him - I think it's important he starts to feel comfortable and safe. He had a long purr when I was petting after his breakfast - bless him. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
For Michelle re Bramble RE: George
Title: Message Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks (there was no way the others were going to sit and watch the genuine "patient" enjoy his without getting in on the act themselves.) (I hear you re the $$$ by the way---ouch!) The vet told me (2 weeks later, and only after I asked her even tho it was her that prescribed the chicken for Snoball's diarrhea in the first place!) that chicken alone did not supply their needs and I should add a supplement. Just thought I should mention it. Glad to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes forthe little sweetheart'scontinuing recovery---Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:15 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: George Such good news Gloria for George and the otherkittie who has just been released from her cage and tremendous progress that she got on the bed with you even though she freaked when you woke up and moved - she must know you are not a threat. They'll soon learn that you just want to care for them and no doubt take advantage of that just as mine are doing. Going through this tough time with Bramble has meant lots of care and tlc and he has figured this out I think. He now refuses to eat anything much other than good quality cooked chicken slicesbeing hand fed to him too. Well at least he's eating even if it is costing a small fortune. Minstrel and Buddy have also figured this out and keeping coming toask for a piece instead of eating their own so i have to take extra just in case. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: For Michelle re Bramble RE: George
Title: Message Michelle, it breaks hurt to hear about Bramble please know that Bramble is always in my thought and soon he will recover and start eating I wanted to share something with you When George couldnt eat, I told different things, and what he seems to like the most is broiled chicken WITH chicken broth what I do is that I cook a whole chicken in the crock pot and keep the juice, and mix chicken and chicken broth (in nuke temperature) he likes to drink the juice from it and when he feels better, he eat the chicken meat, too you may be able to put some supplements in there, too as you know cats likes to sip juice of different things I thought you might want to try with Bramble or broiled water after boiling chicken liver (maybe)?? Hugs to you, Bramble, Buddy and Minstrel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: For Michelle re Bramble RE: George Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks (there was no way the others were going to sit and watch the genuine patient enjoy his without getting in on the act themselves.) (I hear you re the $$$ by the way---ouch!) The vet told me (2 weeks later, and only after I asked her even tho it was her that prescribed the chicken for Snoball's diarrhea in the first place!) that chicken alone did not supply their needs and I should add a supplement. Just thought I should mention it. Glad to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes forthe little sweetheart'scontinuing recovery---Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:15 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: George Such good news Gloria for George and the otherkittie who has just been released from her cage and tremendous progress that she got on the bed with you even though she freaked when you woke up and moved - she must know you are not a threat. They'll soon learn that you just want to care for them and no doubt take advantage of that just as mine are doing. Going through this tough time with Bramble has meant lots of care and tlc and he has figured this out I think. He now refuses to eat anything much other than good quality cooked chicken slicesbeing hand fed to him too. Well at least he's eating even if it is costing a small fortune. Minstrel and Buddy have also figured this out and keeping coming toask for a piece instead of eating their own so i have to take extra just in case. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: For Michelle re Bramble RE: George
Thank you Kerry for pointing this out. It's not that important if you are making a home made diet for just a short time, but extended 'plain chicken' will cause other problems in the long run. Wysong puts out a supplement to add to their plain meat canned food called Call of the Wild. There is also one from Know Better Cat Food called Feline Factors, this one is to add to raw food. Ask your vet what you should be using to bring his diet into balance. Add less of it at first, (or you might turn him off to his food), then gradually build up to the recommended amount. I'm thrilled to hear that Bramble is hanging in there! Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks (there was no way the others were going to sit and watch the genuine patient enjoy his without getting in on the act themselves.) (I hear you re the $$$ by the way---ouch!) The vet told me (2 weeks later, and only after I asked her even tho it was her that prescribed the chicken for Snoball's diarrhea in the first place!) that chicken alone did not supply their needs and I should add a supplement. Just thought I should mention it. Glad to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes for the little sweetheart's continuing recovery---Kerry
Bramble and nutrition
Thanks for the info on nutrition and supplements. Unfortunately for Bramble I am unable to cook it for him myself or make broth etc... as I am vegan and can only just manage scraping fish out of a tin (which he isn't eating) or breaking up ready cooked chicken, or emptying food out of a packet. I couldn't handle raw meat as the sight of the chicken still in bird shape or the blood that goes with it would have me constantly in tears and physically vomiting. I wish I could do it for him but I just can't. I will definitely get him some supplement in his diet though if he continues refusing anything other than chicken. So if anyone knows of any way of making any nutritous broth from chicken that only involves ready prepared chicken and none raw stuff that is not resembling the shape of the animal or bird then please share. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble and nutrition
Hi Michelle, I wonder if you could find broth with no sodium as some sort of specialty food for people who can't tolerate sodium in their diets. You're going to have to spend some time in the grocery store checking labels! Bramble won't eat the better brands of cat food? Wysong has an all-meat canned product, (I haven't tried it), that you add supplements to. Have you tried babyfood yet? Of course, that has to be supplemented too. I don't know if you have the same brands as we do, or if they contain the same things, for that matter, but you want to make sure and get meat baby food that doesn't contain anything but meat and broth. If he's been doing well with chicken, I'd stick to that at first. Gerbers has corn starch, (which Bramble doesn't need), Beechnut is the one I buy. How's he doing with the scratching? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info on nutrition and supplements. Unfortunately for Bramble I am unable to cook it for him myself or make broth etc... as I am vegan and can only just manage scraping fish out of a tin (which he isn't eating) or breaking up ready cooked chicken, or emptying food out of a packet. I couldn't handle raw meat as the sight of the chicken still in bird shape or the blood that goes with it would have me constantly in tears and physically vomiting. I wish I could do it for him but I just can't. I will definitely get him some supplement in his diet though if he continues refusing anything other than chicken. So if anyone knows of any way of making any nutritous broth from chicken that only involves ready prepared chicken and none raw stuff that is not resembling the shape of the animal or bird then please share. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Bramble scratching
Bramble has been doing well with the scratching thanks- his skin has improved a lot - only a small scab left now and no fur of course bless him. The pill that the vet put him on is doing good for his skin but the steroids will help stop the itch too. It has been a risk assesment really and the pill that he is on has potential long term side effects in some cats in that it can cause diabetes so is still a controversial drug. But also the steroids could have long term side effects but has so many good properties if the risk pays off including helping his skin. But the fact is that withouttaking that risk he was rapidly declining and unfortunately I suspect he won't have a great deal more time left anyway in life due to being in full blown Faidsand has been for 2 years. So I thought it better as did the vet to take the chance as the drugs can offer him comfort and help him to live a comfortable life for what ever time he has left. If the drugs end up making him ill and it becomes time to euthanase after a while then I will accept that as without them he was so so sick and distressed as you know and would probably not have had even this amount of comfort - and would not have even been here if I'd listened to that other vet. I am happy that he getting the best chance possible whilst knowing that if he says enough is enough then I will help him pass over. Always gonna be a sad time as it always is but at least everything possible will have been done. Meanwhile I thank god every morning I wake up to find him plodding along Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Diet change, George, and Bramble at the vets
Yes I changed Bramble's diet to organic whiskers instead of usual but he as scratched his ears whilst he was on the normal stuff as does Minstrel. It could be dust mite allergy too. Bramble hasn't made anymore mess of his face. I have been putting E45 cream it - I would usually put 50% E45 and 5%) hydrocortisone but I ran out of the latter so need to get some more. It's what the dermatologist once recommeded for Tidge when she had skin problems to take the edge of the itch. How is George doing now - big prayers for him. Well this is the one you have been waiting for -went to see the boss man last night at my vets - he owns the company with about 6 practices. I was much happier with him and if he said I think it's time to euthanase I would trust him not like the one I saw before. He listened to me and when I said I wouldn't put bramble to sleep just because he is now blind or partially blind and that whilst he was eating, toileting, purring and kneadingand coping well that I'll fight with him because he has such a will to carry on. When he shows pain and withdraws then he is saying no more and then I will immediately help him to pass over aswhen cats stop eatingthey are likely to begiving up - and in Brambles case due to helath I think that will definitely be the case and it would not be fair to try force feeding him. He is eating like a gannet half the time at the moment. Mr Regan said well "thats fair enough and I think it is the right attitude". As I knew there is no way of knowing how bramble will progress. Sometimes cats pick up again but you never know with the later stages of such viruses just what is going to happen next. His face is not as itchy now - he definitely did test positive for calicivirus as confirm by isolation tests at Glagow University. Well I got the result I should have got from the other vet who refused to treat because she wanted to put him to sleep. He was given a steroid shot to help the allergy and it will also helpthe seizures - he was also given antibiotics for his eyes because he has keritonitis or however you spell it - he had that figured in about 6 seconds. We don't know again if sight will restore but what is certain is that there isn't much sight there at all at the moment - but at least he was happy to try and do something whilst Bramble still wants to fight and is coping. It may or may not pay off but at least everything is being done now to try and help him. He did say that all cats react differently so there is no way of knowing but worth a try. He said to get Bramble to eat as much as he possibly can to get some weight on him as like I said his spine is thin - so his normal food plus extra chicken, scrambled egg, pilchards, tuna, so I went shopping last night. So finger crossed that he has a bit more time left in him yet - however short that may be. Thanks eveyone for your support so far and I'll certainly scream for more if needed. I will still be praying - and I'll keep you all posted. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Diet change, George, and Bramble at the vets
Michelle, be careful with hydrocortisone in cats, if they lick it off, they can get rapidly low blood sugars, I think I recall hearing. Good luck with all the meat and eggs... While I do eat the stuff, I still get queasy if I get my fingers in a raw egg, so I can only guess how bad it must be for a vegan! can you get Nutri-Cal over there? It's a high calorie gel gook supplement. You can mail order it I think, from here if you need too. It really helped put the weight on Bones quickly. I use the store brand (Vita-Cal)from this website: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3177Ntt=vita%2DcalNtk=AllNtx=mode+matchallpartialNp=1N=0Nty=1 Here's the original: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=587Ntt=nutri%2DcalNtk=AllNtx=mode+matchallpartialNp=1N=0Nty=1 And here's the "new" cat version (have not tried it yet): http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378Ntt=nutri%2DcalNtk=AllNtx=mode+matchallpartialNp=1N=0Nty=1 Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005
Re: Bramble
How does his Fur feel, Amber had that problem when I got her, and for two or three months, she had no hair by her ears at allvitamin E helped her.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, BuddyHave a purrfect day Cherie
RE: Bramble
Michelle, I am sorry that Bramble is having a problem a skin problem is one of the hardest thing to identify the cause of as I read different materials symptoms tends to show on their skin easiest as its very surface of their body Have you happened to change the diet at all? I had one of my kitties whose patch started out as a size of penny, in weeks, it ended up being a size of my hand it always looked raw and bloody, and did not know what was causing it I tried different thing I did not use steroid because I was worried about side effects I dont know exactly what worked but I used an ointment (cant remember the name but I have it at home it has a bit of steroid in it, and its yellow) and finally got better I also have a friend whose kitty had a very bad skin problem, and she was on steroid shot every 6 to 8 weeks or so, and the owner did not want to do it anymore and she changed her diet with no preservatives and no more tap water, and she told me that her kitty got better 100% - I am praying that Bramble is only going to get better keep us posted! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble Sending strength and healing to you and Bramble and Minstrel from across the pond. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
bramble vets
Tonya his vet is back on Monday so I will schedule something for next week. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Bramble
The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy
Re: Bramble
Sending strength and healing to you and Bramble and Minstrel from across the pond.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, BuddyBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: Bramble
Michelle, I hope things go well with poor Bramble at the vet's tomorrow. You'll both be in my thoughts and prayers. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy
Bramble
Hello Bramble is still managing ok at the moment although I supect he is still having mild seizures although nothing like he was for the 3 days following that blasted revolution/stronghold treatment - never again will I use that on my cats. He is now just having moments where he appears completely blind and then stares for a few seconds or gets up and turns around looking confused. All in all it is very mild and he is still eating and coming voluntarily for his food, getting to the toilet, grooming, and today he jumped up on the bed himself and started to knead and purr following his breakfast and his interferon jab - so much easier to inject when he's distracted by food. Most of the time he appears partially blind. I desperately want to take him to the vet to get his eyes checked out but I'm not taking him to that one who just wants to put him to sleep. Has anyone had any luck finding out if seizures meds interact with interferon so that I go with my amunition to fire at the vet if they say the big E word. PS - his coat condition appears to have improved since he went on transfer factor. Secondly Minstrel my FeLV (2 years old) sometimes just has a runny nose - it's clear and doesn't seem to bother her and she shows no other signs of sickness - any ideas. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble
I asked my vet about seisure meds interfering with the interferon, she said it would not, and she absolutely can't understand why a vet would withhold seisure medicine for an animal thats needs them, I got the distinct impression she didn't think very much of this vet, although she was too nice to say it!! She did say she didn't agree with them. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bramble
That is good news. I think Bramble is telling you he wants to hang on. When will his good vet be back? It sounds like Minstrel might be having an allergic reaction to something. Has he been in contact with the flea treatment or anything else? Or it could be that he just allergies to dust or whatever like humans do. I have a cat with allergies. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bramble is still managing ok at the moment although I supect he is still having mild seizures although nothing like he was for the 3 days following that blasted revolution/stronghold treatment - never again will I use that on my cats. He is now just having moments where he appears completely blind and then stares for a few seconds or gets up and turns around looking confused. All in all it is very mild and he is still eating and coming voluntarily for his food, getting to the toilet, grooming, and today he jumped up on the bed himself and started to knead and purr following his breakfast and his interferon jab - so much easier to inject when he's distracted by food. Most of the time he appears partially blind. I desperately want to take him to the vet to get his eyes checked out but I'm not taking him to that one who just wants to put him to sleep. Has anyone had any luck finding out if seizures meds interact with interferon so that I go with my amunition to fire at the vet if they say the big E word. PS - his coat condition appears to have improved since he went on transfer factor. Secondly Minstrel my FeLV (2 years old) sometimes just has a runny nose - it's clear and doesn't seem to bother her and she shows no other signs of sickness - any ideas. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Bramble
So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
RE: Bramble
Title: Message Wonderful to hear that Bramble is doing well, Michelle. And very glad to hear you had the benefit of another vet's input---and it was positive input. Continuing to send lots of healing vibes Bramble's way. take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:38 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bramble
That's WONDERFUL Michelle, I'm so happy for you! I can see the injection site warning if your vet is still going against the recommended vaccine site locations, and doing them in the scruff, the topical spot on flea meds would be applied in the same spot. Scary indeed! We MUST get the proper vaccine location information out there to ALL vets! I will NEVER buy another vial of revolution after all of this happening to Bramble and that vet saying that reactions are so common, but not taken seriously! It's very scary. Can you contact THAT vet that said that and make sure he knows of all the sites I sent you where these reactions need to be reported? Maybe at least HE would do the proper reports, since he seems aware of the need! Can you make him your regular vet? He sounds like a good one. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't seen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after flea meds but there's no proof so many companies and vet dismiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: Bramble
Michelle, Bramble and your family are in my thoughts and prayers, he's such a fighter! Can you tell if his sight is still slowly improving? Thank goodness his seizures seem to have stopped. I had read that not covering feces in the litter box can be indicative of status, (lower ranking kitties tend to bury deeper), my Queen Ursula has never covered up! If he's always left his 'calling card' in plain sight, it may not have anything to do with his feeling poorly. Thank you for passing the info on from that nice vet you met. (Did you ask him where he normally practices??). It does makes sense not to apply flea meds of any kind near an injection site, or open wound, but I wouldn't have known how dangerous it was without your warning. I certainly won't use any on my feral GG when I dose her for her earmites, she's scratched the side of her neck open! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
It was. And that is good news. I was talking about the last paragraph though, where Michelle said that Bramble is holding his own as of yesterday! : ) I hope there's a report from today that's even better! tonyaGloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Bramble
Michelle, I am so glad the transfer factor is making a difference. I'm not sure what all you've tried so far. It seems to me that if it were a reaction to the flea med. there would have been some sort of antecdote. I hadsomething similaronce happen with an ear mite treatment. Also, it seems it would be good to flush out his system as much as possible. Did the vet give him fluids? Anything like that? tonya
bramble
I've never heard of seizures being associated with fiv. period. Is the vet saying that he/she read and administered the revolution according to the wrong directions and now they have been changed on the packets So according to your vet this is the fault of Pfizer??? I find it hard to believe that Pfizer would just accept the blame and say 'we'll change all the leaflets' that would be like a major cover up here for threat of lawsuit. What makes you think fip is involved? When will the regular vet be back? I don't know. The bloodwork doesn't sound that bad. The seizures are treatable if your vet will treat them.. The news about the heart murmur was new to me. I don't know how that or the med. for it effects the rest. I hope poor Bramble feels better soon. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an interesting conversation with my dogs vet. Unfortunately Bramble has to go to a different vet because the sanctuary pay but I sure wish he went to my dogs vet. I mentioned the current episode and my concerns about stronghold/Revolution. When I told her she was nodding her head in agreement saying so it's exacerbated his neurological problems. And she was more accepting of seizures than the one who Bramble has seen whilst his current vet is away. To be fair looking at him I think he had neurological signs developing and gradually worsening and most likely FIV related - I've seen that before but not the seizures. And the flea stuff has just hurried it up immensly. The guy from Pfizer said he has now made sure that the factory and warehouse stocks have got the right leaflets in - whether he has or not is another story. Nina - I also discovered from a member of the epi-feline group that the excitement over food is a side effect of some seizures when they are not quiet. He seems mostly blindalthough his pupils are reacting to light again. My other concern is FIP - I will see how he goes over the next day or so. Michelle L
RE: Bramble, questions and Grace
Title: Message Michelle This is just a short email in relation tothe fear you expressed about Bramble possiblybecoming blindit's a short quote from Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat (page 33): "For us, the sense of sight is Number One; to a cat, smell and hearing are much more important." (her emphasis). I'm glad to hear things are relatively ok today for him. Sending lots of positive, healingvibes for Bramble, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble, questions and Grace I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bramble
Michelle, I'm s behind on my emails I'm reading them backwards, so I'm assuming Bramble is hanging in there for now. Good luck. I hope this works out soon, and for the better! tonya"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prayers coming for Bramble! We are all pulling for you! GloriaAt 01:34 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote:Thankyou for you supportWell I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known.I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens.So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure.Michelle L
Re: Activism and Bramble
Title: AOL Email
Michelle,
Oh, I have been praying for you and Bramble, and I just
can't imagine how much you are going thru... We have all been there, but
everyone's own reactions/emotions, though quite similar are still "unique"
for that guardian.
I adopted a girl who had calcivirus, lost her right eye,
and her left eye, though milky white, still had some vision.
I have also lost some to FIP, one for sure, she was a
baby, and a necropsy was done.
Then 2 of my older boys, that I was "fostering"
(permanently) appeared to succomb to FIP. One, wet form, other,
dry.I chose NOT to do necropsies, I just could not stand the thought
of cutting open dissecting their bodies.
It has been a couple years since Oden passed, and
although some of my cats did have high corona titres, they have remained
in good health.
I will get activism info out to you off list, have to do
some special research since you are in the UK.
Please know you Bramble remain in my thoughts and
prayers.
And also, remember how lucky little Bramble is to have
YOU!!
Hugs,
Patti
