RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-25 Thread catatonya
I used to be a neat freak, germ freak, ocd.. The cats will cure you!!  
You will be healed of that condition and learn to pick up poop with your own 
hands.  You will learn to just 'scoot over' a bit if there's vomit on one side 
of the bed.  I think we could start an ocd therapy program with cats!
  tonya

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is 
run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow!  So sometimes there are 
poopy footprints left on my bed!  It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky 
covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the 
Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day 
after his little party on my bed!  He really trashed it one time and my mom was 
like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed!  And I'm a 
clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline



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  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare 
though.  Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
   
  And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going 
to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P  {padding:0px;}  .ExternalClass 
EC_body.hmmessage  {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No.  I didn't want 
to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do have access to Albon.  
 
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining 
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was 
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they 
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures 
and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is just what 
I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he 
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had 
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do 
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia.  Anyone 
know about this?  
Caroline 



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  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat 
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to 
detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug 
that does it... 

  On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency
 people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every 
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the 
same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: 
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every 
meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter 
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds

RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-25 Thread catatonya
Have you tried kaopectate? Ask Dr. first, but it used to be recommended.  Also 
try white rice made with chicken broth.  Try each one at a time so you'll know 
what works.  Pumpkin tends to help as well.  Just mix with wet food.
  tonya

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }Okay, thanks.  We are not desperate 
yet, but it is definitely affecting my ability to adopt him.  He's getting 
bigger and bigger every day and he's now a juvenile and past that adorable 
teeny kitten stage that all the people seem to want.  And I sometimes hold off 
taking him to cat adoption because want to get the diarrhea solved, rather than 
dump the problem on someone else.  But then the agency people are like why 
didn't you bring Yoda? and well Dr. so and so didn't find anything, so we 
really need to get him in here and adopted out... (these people drive me 
crazy!) and I feel sometimes like I am going crazy.  Like people think I'm 
making it up b/c I just want to keep Yoda or something.  Which I wouldn't make 
up some random diarrhea excuse if that was the case...I'd just keep him and 
tell everyone to go to H*ll!  I need to at least try another vet.  That's
 what we are going to do next week.  I'll let you know what happens.
Caroline 



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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: diarrhea in 6 month old kitten
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:04:52 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we 
used everything beginning with   Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We 
used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months
  but it is back again and we in the same state that you are.
  

  Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that 
cured her chronic diarrhea which
  was the result of IBD. You might check with her.
  

   I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been 
able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative
  too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one 
of the vets indicated that it could be
  a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of 
consulting another vet. If I learn anything
  new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It 
is really awful.
  Jane
  

  

  

  

  

  

  On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

  I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty 
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may remember 
me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just 
the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first 
weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.  
We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really.  
And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up 
of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed 
to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've 
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no 
difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering 
those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not 
an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people
 (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin 
week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If 
anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm 
trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and 
tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter 
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then 
he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes 
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The 
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, 
his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had 
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow 
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
 goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration 
issues, 

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-25 Thread Kelley Saveika
Cats are good therapy for all kinds of stuff:)

Kelley

On Dec 25, 2007 7:20 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I used to be a neat freak, germ freak, ocd.. The cats will cure
 you!!  You will be healed of that condition and learn to pick up poop with
 your own hands.  You will learn to just 'scoot over' a bit if there's vomit
 on one side of the bed.  I think we could start an ocd therapy program with
 cats!
 tonya


 *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and
 rummage in my pillow!  So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my
 bed!  It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top
 sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but
 still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little
 party on my bed!  He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I
 would rather die than sleep in that bed!  And I'm a
 clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
 caroline


  --
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare
 though.  Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.

 And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're
 going to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to
 oral route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be
 OK.

 *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 No.  I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do
 have access to Albon.

 Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was
 complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter
 that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia,
 but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause
 seizures and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this
 is just what I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for
 giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific
 problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to
 know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating
 the cats for giardia.  Anyone know about this?
 Caroline


  --
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

 You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will
 treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so
 hard to detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a
 new drug that does it...

 On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
 pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may
 remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought
 it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic
 since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back
 in Oct.- nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)--
 no difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of
 it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah
 (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it
 ran out, I stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food
 at night lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet
 changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this
 isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption
 agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me
 every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office
 asking the same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going
 to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something
 different for every meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think
 that could be it?!

 What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the
 Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is
 mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by
 now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal--
 nothing.  And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so
 healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels
 bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea,
 squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened!
 But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him

OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty 
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may remember 
me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just 
the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first 
weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.  
We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really.  
And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up 
of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed 
to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've 
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no 
difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering 
those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not 
an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to 
approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet 
changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone asks this 
on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing 
were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! 
 Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter 
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then 
he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes 
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The 
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, 
his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had 
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow 
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes.  It's obviously not 
sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  
But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda 
also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to 
the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet 
wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas 
like he has IBS or something?  
 
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that 
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day.  In 
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with 
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  The vet said that kitten food can be richer 
and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the 
wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea.  He recommended Purina 
(no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the 
runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's 
a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium 
brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina?  (plus that 
means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is 
underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). 
 Has anyone heard anything like this?  Has anyone had any problems with the 
newer premium foods with their cats?  I just wonder if Yoda has a 
gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- something 
that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed by diet.  
I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on the high 
protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats?  I switched him 
on Monday to adult, regular wellness wet at night and he's now only getting 1/4 
of a can.  I haven't changed the dry food yet b/c I haven't decided what to do 
about that?  We're status quo with the runny poo.  I just don't know what to 
do/try and I'm so frustrated!   
 
Someone help!
Caroline 
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Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Consider tritrichomonas foetus, which is similar to giardia but requires 
treatment with ronidazole.  (Info at 
http://www.bengalcatclub.com/downloads/HealthDIARRHEA1-06.pdf or via google.)
   
  A lot of times, fecal tests show nothing even when something is definitely 
there.
   
  And a lot of times (thankfully) not all cats in a population are equally 
susceptible, at least not all at the same time.  (Thankfully because, based 
upon my experience with tritrichomonas more than a year ago, if I had a lot of 
cats with the same issue all at once I would have gone stark raving insane.)

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten 
named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him 
(Labor Day).  Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back 
then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't 
been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet 
ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't 
remember the name)-- no difference really.  And I have treated him with 
probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic 
Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with 
Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) 
to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food 
and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin
 questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  
I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda 
going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) 
and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat 
Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed 
Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do 
you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter 
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then 
he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes 
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The 
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, 
his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had 
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow 
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
 goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration 
issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to solve this problem and I feel 
like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is 
nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's 
not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting 
there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?  
 
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that 
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day.  In 
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with 
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  The vet said that kitten food can be richer 
and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the 
wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea.  He recommended Purina 
(no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the 
runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's 
a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium 
brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina?  (plus that 
means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is 
underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). 
 Has anyone heard anything like this?  Has anyone had any
 problems with the newer premium foods with their cats?  I just wonder if Yoda 
has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- 
something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed 
by diet.  I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on 
the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats?  I 
switched him on Monday to 

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Kelley Saveika
You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will
treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so
hard to detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a
new drug that does it...

On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
 pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may
 remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought
 it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic
 since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back
 in Oct.- nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)--
 no difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of
 it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah
 (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it
 ran out, I stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food
 at night lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet
 changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this
 isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption
 agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me
 every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office
 asking the same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going
 to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something
 different for every meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think
 that could be it?!

 What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the
 Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is
 mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by
 now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal--
 nothing.  And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so
 healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels
 bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea,
 squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened!
 But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and
 we're all just really tired of it!  The Vet said he looked great- which I
 already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm
 not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had a whole puddle of it last
 night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I
 say it comes and goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he
 would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to solve
 this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  *Yoda also seems to pass gas
 a lot*- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption
 day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him
 before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like
 he has IBS or something?

 *I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken
 flavor that is for adult cats and kittens *(whatever the H that means?)
 in the day.  In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness
 kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  *The vet said that kitten
 food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all
 dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to
 diarrhea. * *He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I
 would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny
 as it should be), *so* *I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point
 (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market,
 why in the world would I feed him Purina?  (plus that means I'd have to
 switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I
 am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food).  *Has anyone
 heard anything like this?  Has anyone had any problems with the newer
 premium foods with their cats? * I just wonder if Yoda has a
 gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something--
 something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be
 managed by diet.  I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the
 emphasis being on the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest
 for some cats?  I switched him on Monday to adult, regular wellness wet at
 night and he's now only getting 1/4 of a can.  I haven't changed the dry
 food yet b/c I haven't decided what to do about that?  We're status quo with
 the runny poo.  I just don't know what to do/try and I'm so frustrated!

 Someone help!
 Caroline

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RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

 

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will
treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so
hard to detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a
new drug that does it... 

On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought
it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic
since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back
in Oct.- nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)--
no difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of
it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah
(added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it
ran out, I stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food
at night lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet
changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this
isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption
agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me
every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office
asking the same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going
to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something
different for every meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think
that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and
they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know
he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all
muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go
in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds
(sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it smells
horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all
just really tired of it!  The Vet said he looked great- which I already
knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not
crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had a whole puddle of it last night
in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say
it comes and goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would
have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to solve this
problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot-
especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he
kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each
adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS
or something?  
 
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor
that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the
day.  In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten
with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  The vet said that kitten food can be
richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he
thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea.  He
recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed,
but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so
I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons)
and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed
him Purina?  (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat
with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of
the best brands of food).  Has anyone heard anything like this?  Has anyone
had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats?  I just
wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or
something-- something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that
can be managed by diet.  I just

RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

No.  I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do have 
access to Albon.  
 
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining 
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was 
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they 
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures 
and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is just what 
I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he 
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had 
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do 
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia.  Anyone 
know about this?  
Caroline 


Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenYou know - has he been 
treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if 
nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect.  Metronidazole 
doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... 
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty 
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may remember 
me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just 
the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first 
weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.  
We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really.  
And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up 
of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed 
to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've 
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no 
difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering 
those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not 
an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to 
approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet 
changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone asks this 
on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing 
were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! 
 Why?  Do you think that could be it?!   What else?  Oh, I took him back to 
the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which 
I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and 
they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did 
another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little 
greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  
He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these 
horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like 
nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but 
getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The Vet said he 
looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was 
fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had a whole 
puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow pie-like, 
so that is why I say it comes and goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea 
or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to 
solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also seems to pass gas 
a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- 
he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each 
adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or 
something?   I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic 
Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that 
means?) in the day.  In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of 
Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  The vet said that kitten 
food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry 
b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea.  He 
recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but 
we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind 
of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with 
all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? 
 (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one 
who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs 

RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare though.  
Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
   
  And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going 
to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }No.  I didn't want to give him 
anything that he didn't need.  But I do have access to Albon.  
 
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining 
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was 
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they 
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures 
and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is just what 
I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he 
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had 
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do 
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia.  Anyone 
know about this?  
Caroline 



-
  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat 
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to 
detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug 
that does it... 

  On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency
 people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every 
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the 
same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: 
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every 
meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter 
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then 
he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes 
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The 
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, 
his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had 
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow 
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
 goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration 
issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to solve this problem and I feel 
like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is 
nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's 
not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting 
there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?  
 
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that 
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day.  In 
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with 
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  The vet said that kitten food can be richer

RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage 
in my pillow!  So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed!  It's so 
gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my 
actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm 
tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed!  He really 
trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that 
bed!  And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline


Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: OT: diarreah 
in 6 month old kittenTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare though.  
Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
 
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going 
to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be 
OK.Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


No.  I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do have 
access to Albon.   Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when 
I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a 
litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for 
giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can 
cause seizures and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those 
this is just what I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for 
giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific 
problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know 
what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats 
for giardia.  Anyone know about this?  Caroline 


Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenYou know - has he been 
treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if 
nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect.  Metronidazole 
doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... 
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty 
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may remember 
me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just 
the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first 
weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.  
We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really.  
And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up 
of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed 
to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've 
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no 
difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering 
those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not 
an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to 
approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet 
changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone asks this 
on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing 
were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! 
 Why?  Do you think that could be it?!   What else?  Oh, I took him back to 
the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which 
I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and 
they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did 
another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little 
greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  
He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these 
horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like 
nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but 
getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The Vet said he 
looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was 
fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had a whole 
puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow pie-like, 
so that is why I say it comes and goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea 
or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to 
solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also seems to pass gas 
a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption 

RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Yep, treat that boy!  I'd go with ronidazole rather than flagyl/metronidazole.  
Ronidazole will treat giardia and tritrich.
   
  What dosage of metronidazole was he previously on and for how long?  Don't 
count on fecal tests to be accurate.  They really aren't especially in the 
early stages.
   
  A cat with chronic diarrhea needs to be treated.  Otherwise it can damage the 
anal sphincter and the cat has a lifelong incontinence issue.
   
  

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is 
run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow!  So sometimes there are 
poopy footprints left on my bed!  It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky 
covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the 
Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day 
after his little party on my bed!  He really trashed it one time and my mom was 
like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed!  And I'm a 
clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline



-
  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare 
though.  Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
   
  And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going 
to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P  {padding:0px;}  .ExternalClass 
EC_body.hmmessage  {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No.  I didn't want 
to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do have access to Albon.  
 
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining 
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was 
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they 
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures 
and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is just what 
I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he 
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had 
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do 
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia.  Anyone 
know about this?  
Caroline 



-
  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat 
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to 
detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug 
that does it... 

  On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency
 people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every 
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the 
same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: 
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every 
meal...and tons of table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Jane Lyons
Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia  
and we used everything beginning with
Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium  
met which worked for several months

but it is back again and we in the same state that you are.

Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe  
that cured her chronic diarrhea which

was the result of IBD. You might check with her.

 I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them  
have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative
too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv,  
and one of the vets indicated that it could be
a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the  
process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything
new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are  
desperate. It is really awful.

Jane






On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had  
diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor  
Day).  Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea  
back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his  
URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of  
Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-  
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)--  
no difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just  
for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic  
Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no  
difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've  
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again,  
no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so  
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my  
first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption  
agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet)  
asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the  
vet's office asking the same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat  
Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing  
were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of  
table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!


What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had  
the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/ 
c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they  
would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They  
did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's healthy-- he looks  
like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean  
and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the  
litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds  
(sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it  
smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him  
and we're all just really tired of it!  The Vet said he looked  
great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his  
temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this  
diarrhea!  He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter  
box!  Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it  
comes and goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he  
would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want  
to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also  
seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when  
we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not  
his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him  
sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?


I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken  
flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that  
means?) in the day.  In the evening, he gets half a can of the  
small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.   
The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching  
him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with  
the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended  
Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but  
we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should  
be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this  
an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market,  
why in the world would I feed him Purina?  (plus that means I'd  
have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is  
underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best  
brands of food).  Has anyone heard anything like this?  Has anyone  
had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats?  I  
just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or  
even Crohns or 

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Pat Kachur
I had a calico Persian kitty (Priscilla) who when I got her was just a kitten 
(she passed away at age 15 last year) and had the same kind of diarrhea problem 
when she first came to live with me--while otherwise perfectly healthy.  When I 
switched her to Max Cat, it immediately went away and she never had diarrhea 
again in her entire life.

Other kitties I have had with diarrhea but not as persistent - I have given 
kaopectate and/or Immodium AD (with my vet's concurrence) with good success.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten


  Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we 
used everything beginning with
  Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which 
worked for several months
  but it is back again and we in the same state that you are.


  Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that 
cured her chronic diarrhea which
  was the result of IBD. You might check with her.


   I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been 
able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative
  too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one 
of the vets indicated that it could be
  a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of 
consulting another vet. If I learn anything
  new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It 
is really awful.
  Jane












  On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:


I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those 
that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week 
about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone 
asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this 
new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of 
table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
 
What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda 
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled 
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they 
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's 
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and 
lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter 
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then 
he just comes out like nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes 
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The 
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, 
his temp was fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had 
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow 
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes.  It's obviously not 
sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  
But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda 
also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to 
the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet 
wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas 
like he has IBS or something?  
 
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor 
that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day.  
In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with 
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added.  The vet said that kitten food can be richer 
and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the 
wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina 
(no, I'm

RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Okay, thanks.  We are not desperate yet, but it is definitely affecting my 
ability to adopt him.  He's getting bigger and bigger every day and he's now a 
juvenile and past that adorable teeny kitten stage that all the people seem to 
want.  And I sometimes hold off taking him to cat adoption because want to get 
the diarrhea solved, rather than dump the problem on someone else.  But then 
the agency people are like why didn't you bring Yoda? and well Dr. so and so 
didn't find anything, so we really need to get him in here and adopted out... 
(these people drive me crazy!) and I feel sometimes like I am going crazy.  
Like people think I'm making it up b/c I just want to keep Yoda or something.  
Which I wouldn't make up some random diarrhea excuse if that was the case...I'd 
just keep him and tell everyone to go to H*ll!  I need to at least try another 
vet.  That's what we are going to do next week.  I'll let you know what happens.
Caroline 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarrhea in 6 month old kittenDate: Wed, 19 
Dec 2007 17:04:52 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been battling diarrhea for 
months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with 
Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which 
worked for several months
but it is back again and we in the same state that you are.

Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured 
her chronic diarrhea which
was the result of IBD. You might check with her.

 I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been 
able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative
too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of 
the vets indicated that it could be
a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of 
consulting another vet. If I learn anything
new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is 
really awful.
Jane








On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty 
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may remember 
me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just 
the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first 
weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.  
We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really.  
And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up 
of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed 
to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it.  I've 
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no 
difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering 
those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not 
an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to 
approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet 
changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone asks this 
on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing 
were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! 
 Why?  Do you think that could be it?!   What else?  Oh, I took him back to 
the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which 
I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and 
they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did 
another fecal-- nothing.  And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little 
greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  
He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these 
horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like 
nothing happened!  But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but 
getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it!  The Vet said he 
looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was 
fine, etc.  But I'm not crazy!  He's having this diarrhea!  He had a whole 
puddle of it last night in the litter box!  Sometimes it more cow pie-like, 
so that is why I say it comes and goes.  It's obviously not sustained diarrhea 
or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't.  But I really want to 
solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss.  Yoda also seems to pass gas 
a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- 
he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each 
adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or 
something?   I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic 
Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that 
means?) in 

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

2007-12-19 Thread C J
Just a suggestion, have you ever tried a raw diet?  I feed raw, and one thing 
I've read many times, is that cats with chronic IBD often develop normal poo 
when fully switched to raw.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM
  Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten


  Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and 
rummage in my pillow!  So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed!  
It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to 
protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's 
gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed!  
He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than 
sleep in that bed!  And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
  caroline





Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare 
though.  Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.

And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're 
going to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No.  I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do 
have access to Albon.  
   
  Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was 
complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that 
was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but 
they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause 
seizures and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is 
just what I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia 
(which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and 
if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I 
decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for 
giardia.  Anyone know about this?  
  Caroline 





Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet 
will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so 
hard to detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new 
drug that does it... 


On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those 
that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week 
about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same.  If anyone 
asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this 
new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of 
table scraps!  Why?  Do you think that could be it?!  
   
  What else?  Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had 
the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is 
mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now 
and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing.  And I 
know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all 
muscle and lean and just doing wonderful.  He never feels bad, but he'll go in 
the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) 
and then he just comes out

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten (Questions for Caroline)

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Please do not assume IBD.  That's basically a default diagnosis when nothing 
else makes sense.
   
  1.  How long was he on metronidazole and at what dosage?
  2.  Has your vet considered tritrichomonas foetus and treatment with 
ronidazole?  (Tritrich is really pretty common.  Until recently however it was 
often mistaken as metronidazole-resistant giardia.  So don't rule it out as 
some rare bug.)
   
  Parasites are very likely.  Fecal tests have been estimated at around 50% 
accurate.  Sometimes you have to treat the symptoms even when the cause is not 
certain.

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma  }Just a suggestion, have you ever tried a raw 
diet?  I feed raw, and one thing I've read many times, is that cats with 
chronic IBD often develop normal poo when fully switched to raw.
- Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM
  Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
  

Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage 
in my pillow!  So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed!  It's so 
gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my 
actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm 
tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed!  He really 
trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that 
bed!  And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline



-
  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare 
though.  Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
   
  And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going 
to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P  {padding:0px;}  .ExternalClass 
EC_body.hmmessage  {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No.  I didn't want 
to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do have access to Albon.  
 
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining 
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was 
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they 
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures 
and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is just what 
I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he 
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had 
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do 
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia.  Anyone 
know about this?  
Caroline 



-
  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat 
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to 
detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug 
that does it... 

  On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency
 people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every 
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the 
same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten (Questions for Caroline)

2007-12-19 Thread Kelley Saveika
On Dec 19, 2007 6:23 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please do not assume IBD.  That's basically a default diagnosis when
 nothing else makes sense.

 1.  How long was he on metronidazole and at what dosage?
 2.  Has your vet considered tritrichomonas foetus and treatment with
 ronidazole?  (Tritrich is really pretty common.  Until recently however it
 was often mistaken as metronidazole-resistant giardia.  So don't rule it out
 as some rare bug.)

 Parasites are very likely.  Fecal tests have been estimated at around 50%
 accurate.  Sometimes you have to treat the symptoms even when the cause is
 not certain.


I agree.  My Ciara was diagnosed with IBD after a couple of clean fecals and
that's how I got such a bad case of giardia in my house, because it was
really giardia.  Believe me, I know the pain of persistent
diarrhea...*believe me*...