Tapazole pills-tip on pilling
Hey guys, Julie, our kitty who now has hyperthyroidism, is not easy to pill. She's very sneaky and sometimes I will find pills I thought she had swallowed lying around the house. Well, when I tried to score Julie's new Tapazole pills in half, they just kept breaking into pieces because the pill is very brittle and light, which I was not happy about. Usually one pill broke into two larger and two smaller pieces. So I put all the pieces in a baggie and have been giving her those until I can use the ones that are actually halves. But what I found was that if I break up the remaining larger piece into about three pieces, making it four small pieces total, it's so much easier to get her to take them. I think they dissolve easier and quicker when in the smaller pieces. And it doesn't hurt that they are tasteless. Who knew that something I was griping about earlier would turn out to teach me an easier way to do something! Anyway, hope this helps some of you! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tapazole pills-tip on pilling
Have you tasted them? I tasted the ones prescribed for Kitty and I wouldn't take them myself they were so bitter. I am interested in getting some without taste. I like that better than using the topical cream. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Tapazole pills-tip on pilling Hey guys, Julie, our kitty who now has hyperthyroidism, is not easy to pill. She's very sneaky and sometimes I will find pills I thought she had swallowed lying around the house. Well, when I tried to score Julie's new Tapazole pills in half, they just kept breaking into pieces because the pill is very brittle and light, which I was not happy about. Usually one pill broke into two larger and two smaller pieces. So I put all the pieces in a baggie and have been giving her those until I can use the ones that are actually halves. But what I found was that if I break up the remaining larger piece into about three pieces, making it four small pieces total, it's so much easier to get her to take them. I think they dissolve easier and quicker when in the smaller pieces. And it doesn't hurt that they are tasteless. Who knew that something I was griping about earlier would turn out to teach me an easier way to do something! Anyway, hope this helps some of you! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: pills and roomba
I think my Roomba was around $250, BUT I bought it on the Home Shopping Club or something like that on one of their 'stretch pays', so I only had to pay about 65 a month for 4 months on my charge card.My popeye won't even let me open his mouth to look at his teeth, much less prise it open for a pill. :(tonyaveggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyonejust an update and a question. First question...how much does that Roomba cost? That sounds AWESOME! With a kitty, two rabbits, one who LOVES to kick her litter all over the place and 2 dogs that shed enough to make another dog, that would be AWESOME!Secondly, not a question but...YAY! I successfully gave Brooklyn his medication 3x already. Yesterday he got me, bit me but accidentally i think, then this morning he seemed to not fight as much, but he was also wrapped in my blankets. He was quick to forgive me this time and I feel as though he's getting used to it because he usually would sulk afterwards and today he just ran into the kitchen and asked for breakfast. So his appetite is back and even after he's been traumatized! The issue though, is that he tries to spit it out. He gurgles it up and drools out the meds. I feel so bad, it must taste SO awful. The dr gave me Flagyl/Albon mix in one and decided against the famitadine i have no idea how to spell that but I know you guys get it. Anyway, so Brooklyn is not so much opposed to me opening his mouth, he's good at that now, but as soon as he feels the syringe go into his mouth and he gets a taste of the meds, that's when he struggles. It really must taste disgusting. So, this morning I opened his mouth and tried not to touch the syringe to his mouth before squeezing it and carefully squeezed it into the back of his throat. He didn't spit up quite so much this time. He still has diarrhea but isn't throwing up anymore which, looking at him, seemed to take a LOT out of him. He seemed a little dehydrated yesterday but had plenty of water last night. Actually, he was drinking a lot. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? He was at the water bowl for a good few minutes or so. This morning he was out on the couch lounging in the sunlight coming in through the window. Never did that before. Guess he is feeling more comfortable. I'm glad to see that. So, we're doing better. :)Thanks for listening everyone and thanks so much for all your support!hugs,Rebecca
Re: litter/Pills/and another good deal!
Tonya, My friend has one, and callsit herHelen Keller because it can't see or hear, but it functions very well! That's not very P.C. , I know, but I thought it was funny. Her cats are also fascinated by it, and enjoy watching it. Sandy Also, I don't know if anyone else has one, but I bought one of those "roomba" robot vacuum cleaners. I absolutely LOVE it! I would recommend it to anyone with pets!
Re: litter/Pills/and another good deal!
thanks for sharing this--i've really wondered how these little critters work with fur and litter-crumbs i'm SURE the cats would love it. except, of course, for jess, the small-pony-of-a-coonie FIV--he was terrified of kittens! On 11/30/05, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using cat attract. someone on the list recommended it. I have had far less problems since using it. Not perfection! But a lot closer!! It's also very dust free and clumps well. It is, unfortunately, very expensive if you have a lot of cats. Also, I don't know if anyone else has one, but I bought one of those roomba robot vacuum cleaners. I absolutely LOVE it! I would recommend it to anyone with pets! You turn it on and it vacuums for a few hours by itself and then docks itself back to recharge! It is programmed not to fall off of steps! I really doubted it could possibly work, but it does. Instead of coming home and vacuuming every day, now I just turn on the roomba! I still have to get out the vacuum for baseboards, furniture, beds, etc... but I spend a lot less time vacuuming. It does a great job on cat hair AND LITTER It's my new best friend. lol. And I think the cats think it's some kind of animal. They will try to stare it down and chase it away, but it just keeps coming. lol. When it keeps coming they run away p*ssed off at it, but not really scared of it like I thought they'd be. t veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of Cat Attract Litter? http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html I just read about this on a kitty behavior page. The website owner swears by it. Not the manufacturer, a person with cats. lol. Patti I do happen to have a mortar and pestle. Yay! =) Rebecca -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Title: RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) Thanks veggiepugs---sorry, haven't found your actual moniker yet! It's interesting for me that we're having this ongoing discussion now as I just recently began getting involved with the Chicago vegan group. I wonder how we start a separate list? I would love (just to stir things up) to have a set of plates with the pic and caption you mention: picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Actualy, I'd have a ballon from a smiling cat saying, I'm a cuddly pet, followed by one from a sad pig saying And I'm food---why? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:06 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) Warning...this is a LONG one and mostly about vegetarianism/animal activism. But first... Thanks for that note on the Native American poem...I'm going to look for that. Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. That's how I tried it but the problem was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with the other and he reached up and scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my hand. I just thought of something that was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind of mean, though any way you give a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. Now... Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put things very well. It is so true that people turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian Faith question me and test me about my decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were put here for our use. Even though it's no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of Christian religion is thou shalt not give into temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals are considered by many Christians, not to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells everyone how cool I am about it because I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make the connection between the animals at home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little bit makes a difference. I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped and as he watched his fellow co- workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be the food on our plates. He actually went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. Just google that. It'll come up. There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal exploitation and thoughts and philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a conservative Republican who is a vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. Whether you're a veg or not. If you love animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and logical points, gets you to think and can change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One of the points he made, which was blunt as could be, was: ...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When he lets a demanding
RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Just wanted to add that I also LOVE Marvistavet... great resource. Gloria At 09:40 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:06 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) ... Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. That's how I tried it but the problem was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with the other and he reached up and scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my hand. I just thought of something that was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind of mean, though any way you give a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. Now... Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put things very well. It is so true that people turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian Faith question me and test me about my decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were put here for our use. Even though it's no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of Christian religion is thou shalt not give into temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals are considered by many Christians, not to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells everyone how cool I am about it because I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make the connection between the animals at home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little bit makes a difference. I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped and as he watched his fellow co- workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be the food on our plates. He actually went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. Just google that. It'll come up. There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal exploitation and thoughts and philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a conservative Republican who is a vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. Whether you're a veg or not. If you love animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and logical points, gets you to think and can change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One of the points he made, which was blunt as could be, was: ...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When he lets a demanding palate make his moral choices, that is gluttony. When he ascribes the divine will to his own whims, that is pride. And when he gets angry at being reminded of animal suffering that his own daily choices might help avoid, that is moral cowardice. ~Matthew Scully Harsh as that may be, it does hold some merit. I think. But it's what many people have to do. I don't begrudge people their decisions to follow what is a traditional and long standing way of life. To choose the route of vegetarianism or veganism is life altering. But not as much, or in the way that one might think. It is very painful to recognize the actual reality of the animal industry and to make the connection. It's not something many people can handle
RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Thanks Jenn---just saw this/your email. Yes, I'll rejoin. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) we had an OT list I made, but I switched hosts, and so now everyone would have to RE-sign up for it, but it's easier this time.. I'll test it and make sure it works, then post the info on how to subscribe. It's different than how this list or my old one worked. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
litter/Pills
Has anyone heard of Cat Attract Litter? http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html I just read about this on a kitty behavior page. The website owner swears by it. Not the manufacturer, a person with cats. lol. Patti I do happen to have a mortar and pestle. Yay! =) Rebecca
Pills
Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
Re: Pills
I forgot to mention, but I'm betting someone else already has, using a piller. Sooo much easier. Nina veggiepugs wrote: Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
Re: Pills
One other tip that might work today, Rebecca. You might try crushing the pill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water, and by little bit, I mean like a cc. A medicine cup usually works best for mixing such a small amount. Then draw it all up in a syringe and have it ready. While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth where his back teeth don't quite meet. Put the syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt. He will struggle, but hold firmly. Even if he gags a little, you will get some down. If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe. That way you don't have to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and have wasted money. I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill, anyway. You can get a syringe from the pharmacy. I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slot at the end to hold the pill. It was over in a half a second! I don't even think the cat realized it had taken a pill! Anybody use those before? Let us know what happens. He will be mad, but not for long. Sandy - Original Message - From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Pills Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
Re: Pills
a wand thing with a slot at the end to hold the pill That's the "pill popper", (they're also called "pill guns"), I was talking about, I wouldn't want to pill without one. You place it toward the back of the throat, hit the plunger and down it goes. You don't have to hit the plunger hard, they really do send the pill flying and you don't need that much force. Like I said, sooo much easier! I usually coat the gel cap, or pill in olive, or coconut oil to make it easier to swallow, I've used a tiny bit of chicken fat as well. I got mine online from Revival. I use the one with the rubber tip. http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=99-711ss=99-712 Nina Dudes wrote: One other tip that might work today, Rebecca. You might try crushing the pill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water, and by little bit, I mean like a cc. A medicine cup usually works best for mixing such a small amount. Then draw it all up in a syringe and have it ready. While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth where his back teeth don't quite meet. Put the syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt. He will struggle, but hold firmly. Even if he gags a little, you will get some down. If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe. That way you don't have to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and have wasted money. I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill, anyway. You can get a syringe from the pharmacy. I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slot at the end to hold the pill. It was over in a half a second! I don't even think the cat realized it had taken a pill! Anybody use those before? Let us know what happens. He will be mad, but not for long. Sandy - Original Message - From: "veggiepugs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Pills Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
Re: Pills
Rebecca and all, My apologies if this has already been mentioned - my email is running so slow that I haven't read all of the replies - but have you tried a pill popper? My son taught me a trick - after inserting the pill, put your finger gently into the side of the kitty's mouth. That seems to stimulate a swallowing response. If the kitty's pink tongue then comes out, you can be pretty sure he or she has swallowed the pill. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:54 am Subject: Pills To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
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Rebecca, Yes, I know administering pills can be very difficult and stressful, both to the cat and guardian. And, as I said before, some cats are just about impossible to pill!! And cat bites are VERY nasty - you really have to be careful with them. So I would definitely opt for the liquid medications, less stress for both you and Brooklyn. Most vet practices also have the compounding kits for meds so that you can get them in a zillion different flavors now too. More expensive, but definitely worth it. To save some $$$'s, with the pepcid, (famatodine), you can crush up the pill and mix it with a small bit of tuna juice (or clam) administer it with a syringe. (Your vet can supply you with that. Just an idea. The $$$'s can add up so fast!) Good luck, and keep those bites clean!! Patti
Re: Pills
Hmmm... I think you're the first to mention "pillers". I have half a dozen here if anyone's interested! LOL! I just can never work those things! Usually, the "one" time I get it right, the da_n pill gets stuck!! Patti
RE: Pills
Title: Message I never got them to work either! (It's hard to practise ahead of time...) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Pills Hmmm... I think you're the first to mention "pillers". I have half a dozen here if anyone's interested! LOL! I just can never work those things! Usually, the "one" time I get it right, the da_n pill gets stuck!! Patti =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Pills
If you're talking about pilling flagyl/metronidazole (I didn't read carefully)... forget it!Get your vet to give you flagyl in 'treat' form. My vet has them. If your vet doesn't have them they need to be put in a plain capsule like someone suggested. These pills are very bitter. Good luck!tonyaDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other tip that might work today, Rebecca. You might try crushing thepill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water,and by little bit, I mean like a cc. A medicine cup usually works best formixing such a small amount. Then draw it all up in a syringe and have itready. While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth wherehis back teeth don't quite meet.Put the syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt. Hewill struggle, but hold firmly. Even if he gags a little, you will get somedown. If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe. That way you don'thave to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and havewasted money. I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill,anyway. You can get a syringe from the pharmacy.I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slotat the end to hold the pill. It was over in a half a second! I don't eventhink the cat realized it had taken a pill! Anybody use those before?Let us know what happens. He will be mad, but not for long.Sandy- Original Message -From: "veggiepugs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:53 AMSubject: Pills Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wroteback...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when heshakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that Igave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Warning...this is a LONG one and mostly about vegetarianism/animal activism. But first... Thanks for that note on the Native American poem...I'm going to look for that. Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. That's how I tried it but the problem was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with the other and he reached up and scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my hand. I just thought of something that was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind of mean, though any way you give a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. Now... Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put things very well. It is so true that people turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian Faith question me and test me about my decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were put here for our use. Even though it's no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of Christian religion is thou shalt not give into temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals are considered by many Christians, not to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells everyone how cool I am about it because I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make the connection between the animals at home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little bit makes a difference. I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped and as he watched his fellow co- workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be the food on our plates. He actually went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. Just google that. It'll come up. There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal exploitation and thoughts and philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a conservative Republican who is a vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. Whether you're a veg or not. If you love animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and logical points, gets you to think and can change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One of the points he made, which was blunt as could be, was: ...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When he lets a demanding palate make his moral choices, that is gluttony. When he ascribes the divine will to his own whims, that is pride. And when he gets angry at being reminded of animal suffering that his own daily choices might help avoid, that is moral cowardice. ~Matthew Scully Harsh as that may be, it does hold some merit. I think. But it's what many people have to do. I don't begrudge people their decisions to follow what is a traditional and long standing way of life. To choose the route of vegetarianism or veganism is life altering. But not as much, or in the way that one might think. It is very painful to recognize the actual reality of the animal industry and to make the connection. It's not something many people can handle. God, I remember when I first started venturing out into the world of vegetarianism and animal activism I was outraged, disgusted, saddened and angry at what goes on. For a long time i was angry
Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel Why do I always forget to recommend the towel! N
Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
In a message dated 11/28/05 12:06:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally. Howard Lyman, ex-rancher - was 4th generation. He stood by Oprah's side when she battled the beef industry the Texas cattlemen. I had the opportunity to meet him when he was a speaker at the 1996 "March for the Animals" in Washington, D.C. What stories he can tell! Patti
RE: Giving Pills
You can try Pill-Pockets--soft mushy treats made with a little pocket to put pill inside--some cats, like one of mine, will take anything in pill pockets. Others, like another of mine, just sort of look at me like I'm crazy walk away. Anyway, when I need to re-order, I google on Pill Pockets and find whoever is selling them the cheapest. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:06 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Giving Pills OK so, Brooklyn figured it out that I crushed up some pills and put them in his food. He was fine with the lysine pill in there but the Rx meds I got from the vet today he won't eat the food because apparently it seems like he can smell them in there. He was sniffing and sniffing and finally put his paw in it and decided instead to eat his kibble instead of the wet food! Which normally, he LOVES. So, the question is...how the HECK can I give him his pills? One dose wasted already. Help! -Rebecca
Re: Giving Pills
OK, here goes. You need to have the pills in your hand. Approach him from behind, kneel behind him, and reach around his chest, and pull him back under your crotch. Keep your feet close together, so that his body can't go backwards because your feet are behind him, and he can't go up because your crotch is above his back/haunches (you are basically sitting on the cat now). Slide your hand up from his chest, to around his head, hold his head in your hand, with your hand over the top of his head. You should be able to securely grasp his head like this, using his cheek bones and upper jaw as grips. Take the hand with the pills in it, and hold the pills in between your second, third fingers and your thumb. Use your index finger to pry his mouth open wide, and as soon as he opens his mouth, quickly drop the pill way back into the very back of his mouth. Quickly garb his head and hold his mouth closed for a few seconds. If you got it in the very back of his mouth, he will be forced to swallow it, as it will be too far back on his tongue to push out of his mouth (you can always poke it down deeper a bit with your finger if you miss the first try). You may have to do this one pill at a time, with a little break in between. Bigger pills go down easier if you coat them with a tiny bit of butter immediately before giving them (some pills that are not coated or capsules might begin to dissolve if you get them wet or buttery, so be careful to test it first on one little side). I use this same method for giving liquids in a dropper (and force-feeding), except I just pry the dropper into the side of the mouth and push the liquid in, allowing them to lap it a little. This type of restraint also works if you need to put drops or ointment in the eyes or ears. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005
