RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
My FeLV kitties don't get conventional treats as such. They're crazy about the Wellness dry food, so I regard that as their treat, which they get in the evening. So their routine consists of wet food (Petguard) in the morning and evening, and then a few hours after they've eaten their wet food, before bedtime, they get the dry food. They can hear me in the kitchen pouring the dry into their metal tray--when I bring it to their room I'm practically knocked over in the stampede. Wonderful to watch--that's my nightly treat! High days and holidays I might give them tuna--Anitra Frazier would not approve, but I figure as it's very limited and they enjoy it, it's ok. My negs don't care much for regular treats. One of them likes yogurt but it has to be out of the yogurt container, and it has to one that I've just finished. (She won't eat it if I put some out separately for her.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) What do you guys use for treats? From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:27:40 -0700 Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are used for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+ babies - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) Hi Sue Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.) Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose, and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial preservatives, flavors or colors. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+) I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600 Hi Kathleen I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me! It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has such a caring mom. I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in were felv positive. I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The Natural Cat Book. Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient points: ~~Give only filtered water. ~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or Science diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores (you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains). I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and dry food morning and evening. ~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to boost her immune system: a 500mg L
RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
All the major brand (recommended by vet) include BHA and BHT - such as Hill's science, and IAM (not Eubanoba though) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are used for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+ babies - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) Hi Sue Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.) Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose, and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial preservatives, flavors or colors. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+) I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600 Hi Kathleen I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me! It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has such a caring mom. I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in were felv positive. I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The Natural Cat Book. Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient points: ~~Give only filtered water. ~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or Science diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores (you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains). I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and dry food morning and evening. ~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to boost her immune system: a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1 teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix' (I'll send you the details separately). Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet) I added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends: CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's (eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me. You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list! Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky kitty to have found you! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+) I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet, vitamins, and care
RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
What do you guys use for treats? From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:27:40 -0700 Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are used for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+ babies - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+) Hi Sue Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.) Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose, and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial preservatives, flavors or colors. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+) I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600 Hi Kathleen I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me! It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has such a caring mom. I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in were felv positive. I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The Natural Cat Book. Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient points: ~~Give only filtered water. ~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or Science diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores (you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains). I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and dry food morning and evening. ~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to boost her immune system: a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1 teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix' (I'll send you the details separately). Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet) I added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends: CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's (eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me. You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list! Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky kitty to have found you! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+) I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet, vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my evergreen
