Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
If it is Stage V lymphoma there are only 2 things that could possibly help him-- chemotherapy and steroids. The combination gave Simon 2 months, most of which were good, and probably would have given him more if he had not developed an autoimmune reaction to the cancer. He had Stage V lymphoma as well. They started him on a shot of dexamethasone (steroid) and Elspar, the first of the chemo drugs, and he started improving immediately. If you do not want to try chemo, I would absolutely do the steroids anyway. A shot of dexamethasone and a shot of depomedrol. They shrink lymphoma, help with mouth ulcers, help with certain kinds of anemia, increase appetite, perk them up, and generally make them feel better. It was these steroids that pulled Simon out of his first slide toward death when everyone thought he was almost gone. I would do a shot of dex and a shot of depo today, then another shot of dex tomorrow. I personally would also try the Elspar, which only kills lymphoma and does not have other side effects or depress white blood cell count at all, and see if it helps him. It does not sound to me like there is any way to keep him here long term, but the treatments I just suggested could give him a few weeks or months with good quality of life if they work. (If the Elspar worked, you would need to go on to the next chemo drug, probably, to hold the effects). Michelle
Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has. It's good to use because they will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 10:58:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around.
RE: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Title: Message Stephanie, I'm so sorry to hear about TeeCee and all the tribulations he's enduring. My Levi had mouth ulcers (Iand anemia), and the only thing he would eat (and eventually he stopped eating that too) was sour cream (thanks again Michelle for that suggestion). I didn't know at that point that he had ulcers, but it later made sense laterthat heliked the sour cream as the coolness and smooth texture possibly soothed his mouth. Levi was feral, so I was unable to give him medication routinely. I hope what TeeCee's medication helps give him some relief. I know what you're going through and I'm glad TeeCee has such a wonderful "mom" looking after him.Much love and many hugs to you both. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E CaldwellSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist Im not up to replying to all the wonderful mail Ive received. Since 5pm Friday Ive had a total of about 6 hours sleep. Tees been on liquid diet every hour and other meds, so Ive been cat napping. Its starting to take its toll on me, and Im not thinking very clearly. Thanks Nina for the kind words, If I hurt your feelings with my reply Im sorry. Kyle, thanks for the ideas, but Im not sure that it will help him. Everyone else, Thanks for the kind words. The clinic gave him a blood transfusion last night around 6 pm. Hes not perked up hardly any. His official diagnosis is FeLV, Anemia, Leukopenia, fever unknown origins. And suspected Stage V Lymphoma. They gave him a few days. Hes home an sucralfate for his mouth and throat ulcers. He cant close his mouth theyre so painful. Buprenorphine, a mild painkiller. Will slow his heart down, but hes in pain and if it shortens his time, so be it. 2 types of antibiotics. Prednisolone for I dont remember what. Staying on the immune builder. Starting Transfer factor tomorrow AM and a cancer fighter supplement. Any ideas on the cancer? Oral ulcers? Thanks, StephThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
I made a modified liver shake with Hills A/D which has liver and V-8... My kitty that had stopped eating did eat that all by herself... Any thoughts as to how it compares...Its much easier to make... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has. It's good to use because they will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 10:58:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
I think it sounds great. The main thing is to get the cat to eat SOMETHING. The good thing about the liver shake is that it's very nutritious. I have used it witha sick catbefore andshe was not anemic, just going downhill fast. Also, since A/D is recommended for cats in this situation I think the substitution would work well. The only thing is that I think 'raw' liver is supposed to have some nutrients that are lost during the cooking process, so I would think it would be somewhat better. However, whatever the cat will eat is best of all. I think either version would give more nutrition than just baby food, fancy feast, tuna, etc if the cat will eat it. tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a modified liver shake with Hills A/D which has liver and V-8...My kitty that had stopped eating did eat that all by herself...Any thoughts as to how it compares...Its much easier to make...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has. It's good to use because they will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 10:58:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Im not up to replying to all the wonderful mail Ive received. Since 5pm Friday Ive had a total of about 6 hours sleep. Tees been on liquid diet every hour and other meds, so Ive been cat napping. Its starting to take its toll on me, and Im not thinking very clearly. Thanks Nina for the kind words, If I hurt your feelings with my reply Im sorry. Kyle, thanks for the ideas, but Im not sure that it will help him. Everyone else, Thanks for the kind words. The clinic gave him a blood transfusion last night around 6 pm. Hes not perked up hardly any. His official diagnosis is FeLV, Anemia, Leukopenia, fever unknown origins. And suspected Stage V Lymphoma. They gave him a few days. Hes home an sucralfate for his mouth and throat ulcers. He cant close his mouth theyre so painful. Buprenorphine, a mild painkiller. Will slow his heart down, but hes in pain and if it shortens his time, so be it. 2 types of antibiotics. Prednisolone for I dont remember what. Staying on the immune builder. Starting Transfer factor tomorrow AM and a cancer fighter supplement. Any ideas on the cancer? Oral ulcers? Thanks, Steph
RE: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
What is the Liver Shake? Im trying to stay positive. I had another hopeless kitty saved by the herbal cancer cure, so I know it can work. Im just not sure that it has time Thanks, Steph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. tonya Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not up to replying to all the wonderful mail Ive received. Since 5pm Friday Ive had a total of about 6 hours sleep. Tees been on liquid diet every hour and other meds, so Ive been cat napping. Its starting to take its toll on me, and Im not thinking very clearly. Thanks Nina for the kind words, If I hurt your feelings with my reply Im sorry. Kyle, thanks for the ideas, but Im not sure that it will help him. Everyone else, Thanks for the kind words. The clinic gave him a blood transfusion last night around 6 pm. Hes not perked up hardly any. His official diagnosis is FeLV, Anemia, Leukopenia, fever unknown origins. And suspected Stage V Lymphoma. They gave him a few days. Hes home an sucralfate for his mouth and throat ulcers. He cant close his mouth theyre so painful. Buprenorphine, a mild painkiller. Will slow his heart down, but hes in pain and if it shortens his time, so be it. 2 types of antibiotics. Prednisolone for I dont remember what. Staying on the immune builder. Starting Transfer factor tomorrow AM and a cancer fighter supplement. Any ideas on the cancer? Oral ulcers? Thanks, Steph
RE: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Steph, This is an old email from Sue with the recipe. tonya Hi Chris - not sure if this would help with the red blood cells... a liver shake recipe posted by Cesar a while ago... does anyone think this will help? 1 cup RAW LIVER (BEEF, or CHICKEN) 1 cup FRESH CARROT JUICE or V-8, or Tomatoe Juice 1/4 cup *FRESH FILTERED WATER 1 RAW EGG YOLK 1 tsp. KELP POWDER OR SPIRULINACOMBINE AND MIX IN A BLENDER UNTIL LIQUIFIED. (Note: it will be frothy)Dosage:Administer lOcc daily 3-6 times a day. (6Occ per day max)Some cats will need to be force-fed with a syringe, while others willdrink it out of a bowl.This food has a sweet and salty taste, and the energetic properties oftonifying (energy boosting), warming and stimulating and supports thekidneys, spleen, liver and stomach.This drink is a complete dinner for a sick cat until they feel goodenough to eat by themselves again.*Substitute rice water if the cat has diarrhea. Rice wateris made by boiling white rice (2 Tblsp) with water (1 cup) for 30minutes.This liquid aids digestion and assimilation and inhibits the symptomsof diarrhea.Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the Liver Shake? Im trying to stay positive. I had another hopeless kitty saved by the herbal cancer cure, so I know it can work. Im just not sure that it has time Thanks, Steph -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. tonyaStephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not up to replying to all the wonderful mail Ive received. Since 5pm Friday Ive had a total of about 6 hours sleep. Tees been on liquid diet every hour and other meds, so Ive been cat napping. Its starting to take its toll on me, and Im not thinking very clearly. Thanks Nina for the kind words, If I hurt your feelings with my reply Im sorry. Kyle, thanks for the ideas, but Im not sure that it will help him. Everyone else, Thanks for the kind words. The clinic gave him a blood transfusion last night around 6 pm. Hes not perked up hardly any. His official diagnosis is FeLV, Anemia, Leukopenia, fever unknown origins. And suspected Stage V Lymphoma. They gave him a few days. Hes home an sucralfate for his mouth and throat ulcers. He cant close his mouth theyre so painful. Buprenorphine, a mild painkiller. Will slow his heart down, but hes in pain and if it shortens his time, so be it. 2 types of antibiotics. Prednisolone for I dont remember what. Staying on the immune builder. Starting Transfer factor tomorrow AM and a cancer fighter supplement. Any ideas on the cancer? Oral ulcers? Thanks, Steph
RE: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Thanks so much!! Steph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist Steph, This is an old email from Sue with the recipe. tonya Hi Chris - not sure if this would help with the red blood cells... a liver shake recipe posted by Cesar a while ago... does anyone think this will help? 1 cup RAW LIVER (BEEF, or CHICKEN) 1 cup FRESH CARROT JUICE or V-8, or Tomatoe Juice 1/4 cup *FRESH FILTERED WATER 1 RAW EGG YOLK 1 tsp. KELP POWDER OR SPIRULINA COMBINE AND MIX IN A BLENDER UNTIL LIQUIFIED. (Note: it will be frothy) Dosage: Administer lOcc daily 3-6 times a day. (6Occ per day max) Some cats will need to be force-fed with a syringe, while others will drink it out of a bowl. This food has a sweet and salty taste, and the energetic properties of tonifying (energy boosting), warming and stimulating and supports the kidneys, spleen, liver and stomach. This drink is a complete dinner for a sick cat until they feel good enough to eat by themselves again. *Substitute rice water if the cat has diarrhea. Rice water is made by boiling white rice (2 Tblsp) with water (1 cup) for 30 minutes. This liquid aids digestion and assimilation and inhibits the symptoms of diarrhea. Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the Liver Shake? Im trying to stay positive. I had another hopeless kitty saved by the herbal cancer cure, so I know it can work. Im just not sure that it has time Thanks, Steph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. tonya Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not up to replying to all the wonderful mail Ive received. Since 5pm Friday Ive had a total of about 6 hours sleep. Tees been on liquid diet every hour and other meds, so Ive been cat napping. Its starting to take its toll on me, and Im not thinking very clearly. Thanks Nina for the kind words, If I hurt your feelings with my reply Im sorry. Kyle, thanks for the ideas, but Im not sure that it will help him. Everyone else, Thanks for the kind words. The clinic gave him a blood transfusion last night around 6 pm. Hes not perked up hardly any. His official diagnosis is FeLV, Anemia, Leukopenia, fever unknown origins. And suspected Stage V Lymphoma. They gave him a few days. Hes home an sucralfate for his mouth and throat ulcers. He cant close his mouth theyre so painful. Buprenorphine, a mild painkiller. Will slow his heart down, but hes in pain and if it shortens his time, so be it. 2 types of antibiotics. Prednisolone for I dont remember what. Staying on the immune builder. Starting Transfer factor tomorrow AM and a cancer fighter supplement. Any ideas on the cancer? Oral ulcers? Thanks, Steph
