Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Maureen Olvey
From that study in CA, the American Bird Conservancy was saying that the answer was to trap and kill the cats. That's the part that really irritated me. Yeah, cats killed a lot of those birds. The little tigers will kill most anything that moves. It's their instinct. But the cats got

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Maureen Olvey
You can also take it further and reiterate that humans are the #1 killers of birds because of the dummies that let their un-altered pet cats run around outside and breed and have kittens everywhere, not just because of the habitat destruction that we do. I think where I live in GA some of

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Lorrie
This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat are the main threat to birds. As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they have always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to 16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like heart

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
They were trying to pass such legislation in Florida, too - kill all feral cats on sight! And to be able to shoot them, if anyone even suspected them to be homeless, in Utah - people who know nothing about cats. dogs and wildlife, unfortunately, have the platform to come up with such asinine plans

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Jannes Taylor
I use to have indoor/outdoor cats, but now they are strickly indoor. There are so many dangers outside such as cars, dogs, and the chance of encountering a another cat with felv, for example. I do feel sorry for them sometimes, but I have to say I would trade places with any one of them to live

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Edna Taylor
Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it. The same reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean it's good for them. My cats may be prisoners in my house but I sleep well at

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
You are 100% correct in saying: Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with cats are wild animals and need to live outside point of view. Cats were indeed wild at one time; but since they have been domesticated for a few thousand years and allowed to over breed, causing many to revert to being feral, we

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Beth
Our shelter has an indoor only policy. The cat can go out if you have it with you on a leash or if it is in an enclosed patio which it cannot get out of you are present at all times. Otherwise we will remove the cat from the home. There are about 4 cats in my neighborhood who have been killed

[Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Beth
I was supposed to have a new FeLV kitty Studs aka Stud Muffin last night, but the lady who was transporting him left him in a carrier in her carport with no food or water all day. I live in Atlanta it has been hot. He had to be treated for severe dehydration is currently at the vet. They also

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Jannes Taylor
What in the world is wrong with some people!! She needs to be left in a box with no food or water. This makes me so angry! Please keep us updated on the poor kitty.   Jannes From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Edna Taylor
OMG, can someone PLEASE go hit that woman in the head with a tack hammer? Studs is in my thoughts and prayers. I think this goes without saying but are you putting the transporter on a DO NOT USE list? Please let us know how Studs is doing. Edna Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:23:13 -0700

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Oh how sad. Good thoughts go out to Studs...may his health return so you two can enjoy eachother's company! ~B. - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:23 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Christiane Biagi
This is not an easy call. Growing up, we always had stray cats who found us all were indoor/outdoor. Of course, it was way different then my mother always made sure they came in at night. They all went to the vet to be s/n then not again until they became ill towards the end of their lives.

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Christiane Biagi
Thinking good thoughts for Studs but is anybody following up on this so-called transporter? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:30 PM To:

[Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
Edna, that's exactly what I tell people about letting their cats out just because they want to. I ask them if they would allow their 3-yr old to play in the middle of the street just because he/she wanted to? When I hear but the cat gets out, I tell them that they control the door, period! Our

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
OMG - how spaced out do you have to be to do that? I hope that Studs will be OK - and please give him between 30-5-mg of CoQ10 every day in his food! He may also need a diuretic, as one of mine gets - she's doing fine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Sharyl
So sorry for poor Studs.  Hopefully he'll be better after getting fluids at the vet.  CoQ10 is great for any heart kitty.    Hope he is home with you soon Sharyl  --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Edna Taylor
I knew it was good for people but I did not know that you could give it to kitties too? Thanks for the info ;) Edna Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:16:02 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please So sorry for

Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.....

2011-03-23 Thread Barb Moermond
well, my ninja was 4-5 when she came to me and all that I know about her previous history is that she was indoor/outdoor and spayed. she'd been with me for about 4 years when she started having problems and it was another 5 months or so before I had her tested for FeLV and she was positive,

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Heather
I am sad to hear this too and Studs will be in my thoughts. Second transport related health crisis I've heard of recently--a week or two ago, one of the big organizations (HSUS or someone) sent an e-mail out fundraising for a small dog or puppy that was being transported in a car with another,

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Beth
It was the lady who found him. She left him out for her friend to pick up later that day take to the woman who was to bring him to me. Just lack of common sense. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From:

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Beth
We have removed cats from homes when we've found out they declawed. Our contract strictly prohibits it. Those things are usually handled through a lawyer, though. You don't want to go about it the wrong way. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Natalie

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Sharyl
Yes, excellent for heart kitties.  Usual dose is 30-50 mg/day. Sharyl --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 1:45

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing

2011-03-23 Thread Lorrie
On 03-23, Beth wrote: We have removed cats from homes when we've found out they declawed. Our contract strictly prohibits it. Those things are usually handled through a lawyer, though. You don't want to go about it the wrong way. Beth Beth, Thanks for your thoughts on declawing. It is

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
I had a call from a woman a few years ago, saying that when she went to pick up her mail in late afternoon (quite a long driveway), there was a carrier with two cats inside - it was the middle of summer, hot and humid - the cats were panting. She called me to get them (she could have given them

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and how many cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many vets are to blame. Several people told me that after adopting from us, they went to their own vet, and after telling them that the cats will be kept indoors

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread MaiMaiPG
I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example. That being said, Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning re furniture, there has been no problem. Dixie and Ebony kept theirs too. Ebony

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
A good solution for a problem as you mentioned, is trimming claws and using SoftPaws - declawing an older cat can be even worse than for a kitten at times...the pain after surgery is supposed to be absolutely excruciating - cats either climb the walls in the recover cage or sit in the corner,

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread MaiMaiPG
That is a good optionif the owner is able to trim nails and put SoftPaws on. A lot of elderly people don't have the physical dexterity or skills to trim nails. In fact, I have watched young people who could not master the task. On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote: A good

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it - surely a better option than putting a cat through such torture, not to mention complete personality change to being withdrawn, morose, or an unpredictable biter! Cat bites are more dangerous than scratches any time! -Original Message- From:

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
I guess the birds should have stayed dinosaurs, then... ;-) From: LauraM [mailto:hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tue 3/22/2011 7:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread MaiMaiPG
Those may be very reasonable options for a lot of people. However, I suspect you overestimate the resources available to everyone. Not everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who can/will attempt to trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a trip to the vet's every 2-4 weeks; and

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
Shoot, why send it privately? Put it up here for all to see. Name and shame! From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wed 3/23/2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors That's horrible, and many people

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread LauraM
Maureen - I am in GA also, and analysis of coyote stomach contents showed that something like 60% of them contained cat remains. I suspect that's why we have such a coyote problem, even in the suburbs - they are supplied with an endless number of cats as prey - somebody's cat goes missing and

[Felvtalk] Please help: Having trouble ordering LTCI

2011-03-23 Thread Sean T. Collins
Hello all—My name is Sean, and our wonderful 10-year-old cat Felix was diagnosed FeLV+ in the summer of 2009 after he came down with a horrendous case of stomatitis. Desperate for help, we did some googling and discovered LTCI. He has been on it ever since, and we couldn't be more pleased with the

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! -Original Message- From:

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Maureen Olvey
Yikes! I don't like those statistics at all but I believe it. I've been feeding ferals at my office for the last 8 years. Several months back I found one dead and half eaten, then another one went missing not too long after that. A week or two later I saw a coyote in the parking lot of the