Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids,

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-08 Thread MaiMaiPG
His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Caspercat
Not sure if this is possible but they probably got a bad batch of Frontline - I've used it in the Northeast with zero proplems (and like it because it addresses fleas ticks). My vet also started using a product called v-somthing but it doesn't help with ticks. If you know for sure you only have

[Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-08 Thread Jenny Orvis
I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and

Re: [Felvtalk] Pretty Boy

2011-07-08 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for taking care of Pretty Boy. I just love old cats, maybe that's because I'm old :-) Lorrie On 07-07, MaiMaiPG wrote: Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Cindy McHugh
Hi Lynda, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We have 4 cats in his area and 4 litterboxes, so I can certainly try adding one more. There are two in my room (where he spends most of his time); one in the other two rooms. It's a small house, so the only rooms that don't have boxes are the

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Cindy McHugh
Thanks for sharing. I think I will go ahead with the lab test, but hold off on the x-ray until we get the results. Would the lab results indicate if he has stones (and needs an x-ray)? Based on his past, I'm almost positive it's entirely behavioral, but I don't want to risk him suffering

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-08 Thread Ben Williams
Are you able to vaccinate your other kitty and keep the new girl separated for a month or so? If so, I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't keep her. Just because she's potentially FeLV positive doesn't mean she isn't a wonderful kitty who deserves a chance at happiness just as much as

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
Lynda, I hope that the clumping litter you are using does NOT contain sodium bentonite! Often they don't list it, but they tell you NOT to flush down the toilet, you can be assured that it contains it! I have lots of info on it, but this site does not allow more than a certain amount to be sent.

[Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Cindy McHugh
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
What a lucky kitten she is to have you find her! 8 weeks old is so young, I wonder where the rest of the litter is? I bet she is so spoiled already and it's a great sign that Joey is interested :) Keep them separate until you know for sure if she is truly positive or can clear the virus

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
Cindy, ONLY clumping litter would contain sodium bentonite - the regular kitty litter clays just have dust which can be irritating but not as deadly! Many people believe that because clumping litter is so much more expensive, it must be good! There used to be a holistic cat magazine, Tiger

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Katy Doyle
Wow... You know, the dusty clay litter gives me asthma attacks, I'm ashamed that I never thought of how it would affect my cats. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
We have to use a good basic litter because of cost - when you have to provide litter for over 70 cats, we prefer spending the money on good food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent:

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
We get our litter at Walmart - cheapest there, even though we get a discount at PetSmart. The problem is that they are still pushing and selling all kinds of clumping litter as if it were something special for your beloved cats! My husband bought a small fabric toy for the cats, and I decided to

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
That's because we assume that everything we buy must be safe for them! It's a shame that we have to be so suspicious of everything and question every bit of info! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-08 Thread SomeWhere Sam
The SNAP test is not as accurate as the maker has hyped, or most Vet's knowledge. Go to this link for Testing Protocols. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf Basically both tests the SNAP(Elisa) and the IFA results need to be the same

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-08 Thread Maureen Olvey
Also - you mentioned that the vet isn't worried about her spreading it to your cat unless they bite. That sounds more like FIV. Are you sure he said Feline Leukemia or did he say Feline Aids? Just wanted to check because you mentioned the bite thing. Feline Leukemia can be spread much

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Val Green
This truly is scary and I've got first hand experience with how bad clumping litter can be. One of my cats had a mass of clumped litter caught between his toes which I didn't notice until I clipped his claws. (a maine coon with very furry toes) He was't even limping because of the mass. I had

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Maureen Olvey
Oh - since you guys mentioned asthma I just wanted to throw out there that if any of your kitties ever develop asthma there is a wonderful feline asthma group. The people on that list know more about it than a lot of vets because it's not that common and they've had years of experience with

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Terri Brown
Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try.

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Katy Doyle
Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group.

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Katy Doyle
Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread MaiMaiPG
I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
You throw it outside? Not the poop, though, do you? I can't imagine doing that with all my cat's doodoosor all the pee! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:15 PM

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread MaiMaiPG
There is 124 acres to put it on. Poop gets pitched into unused fields--far from the house. I can't see a difference between theirs and that of the numerous cats who stray this way/deer/buzzards/turkey etc. The pee turns the pellets into sawdust. It may sound gross but it really isn't

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Edna Taylor
I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
It's not really gross on a large area - we couldn't - we'd smell it! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread MaiMaiPG
Totes are wonderful. I leave the top off and the boys are young enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are wonderful too. I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who, late in life, had issues getting positioned. Besides the totes are a lot cheaper and more

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Susan Hoffman
I had the same experience with the feline Pine. It smells like moldy wood to me. Bought one bag and never again. I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a lot of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household with just a few pet cats.

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
I've used Feline Pine for years! It really controls the odor and have never experienced a cat that does not like it, but I'm sure there may be some out there that don't. But mine have no problem with it :) - Original Message - From: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com To:

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
I don't buy the pellets. It was too hard on my cats feet. I buy the kind that is already turned into saw dustit works wonders. - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Edna Taylor
I agree Susan. I think with a couple of cats, the wheat or pine would be great but when the numbers are constantly changing and you sometimes have a Mom with kittens in a bathroom, an older litter in another room and some adults in yet another room, you have to use what keeps the smell down

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Maureen Olvey
Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
You are right Maureen, I can almost compare it to walking down the cereal isle in the grocery store, lol! There are too many choices of cat litters but they are finicky, right?! You may think that we are just used to the smell, but many of my friends are honest and outspoken. They say they

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Maureen Olvey
If your friends come to your house and leave rather quickly then it might smell. But if they stay and visit for a while then you're probably good ;-) Especially if you have friends that don't have pets, they can't tolerate the smell for long. I bet Sugar is something else. I've got

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
Are they called totes? I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a friend is an oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger than Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the International smelliest poop contest! -Original Message- From:

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Maureen Olvey
I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat. It has actually woken me up in the middle of the night. It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find which litterbox he used and cover it immediately. Even if I'm

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
Maureen, For the short time I had Crash, he had very loose stools and the fumes when he had a BM, could take the paint off the walls! He had coccidia as you know when he was very young. Then he tested positive for FeLV. But before we knew this, my vet had put him on Royal Canin Feline High

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
I had tried Feline Pine, but it does not scoop very well, especially with Dee, she covers and covers again and ten again until she destroys the clumps. I have been using World's Best Cat Litter. You can find it at Petsmart or Tractor supply. It is made fromcorn, clumps great (even with Dee

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
Styrofoam? Harley and Dee would make hash out of them in no time. If it resist the claws, it gets clawed to death. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Are they called totes? I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a friend is an oncology nurse practitioner and

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small,

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS! A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet. She said she hoped that the neighbors never saw her, or they would have

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread Christiane Biagi
As someone who followed my little dog around with a dish to catch urine on a very busy street in front of my apt house, I can relate! I just put my head down wouldn't look at any passer by. LOL -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
I just have 25 acres nd I just walk down the grvel roa and into the woods a it. I have never noticed any smell coming from the area I dump it in. It is made from ground up corn (World's Best Cat Litter) so the clumps break down in the rain and the dung beetles, etc take care of the rest of

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
Go on their website, they should be able to tell you a store near you that carries it. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
What about natural alternatives? Try the Only Natural Pet store on line. They have a great Chinese herbal that I used for Homey when she had her crystal problem. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Oh - since you guys mentioned asthma I just wanted to throw out there that if

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
I have gotten very parinoid about everything made for pets. Especially since I found that my guys were upchucking all the time because of the corn, wheat or soy in their food (Science Diet). I switched to Blue Buffalo Duck and no more upchucks except for Casey when I forget to give her

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We get our litter at Walmart - cheapest there, even though we get a discount at PetSmart. The problem is that they are still pushing and selling all kinds of clumping litter as if it were something special for your beloved cats! My husband bought a

Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We have to use a good basic litter because of cost - when you have to provide litter for over 70 cats, we prefer spending the money on good food! aCTUALLY, THE wROLD'S bEST mULTI CAT IS NOT ALL THAT EXPENSIVE CONSIDERING THAT YOU DO NOT HVE TO CHANGE IT

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
I fond the Arm Hammer to be extremely dusty, also a litter that said it was made from desert sand. Krger carried it. I got one box and tried it in one of the boxes. Threw it out the next day. The cats and I were sneezing and I found a fine coat of dust all over my room. Cindy McHugh

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
Forgot to mention tat I have 2 litter boxes in my bedroom and no ODOR PRBLEM. eITHER THAT OR MY SINUSES ARE CLOGGED UP. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and

Re: [Felvtalk] Pretty Boy

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
Thanks for taking care of the OLD boy. They need love too. I took in 2 10 year olds that no one wanted to adopt from a local no kill shelter. They had been there in cages for over a year. Lil Bit woudl not come out of my room for over a year, but now comes into the living room and sits on

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread lexingtongrn
I have a FIV kitty without runny poop. From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up in the middle of the night. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans

2011-07-08 Thread dlgegg
My mother was a nurse and a sales rep once told her that it is te same, they just put different labels on the bottles. The only tme I went to the dr for a cat bite was ehn Moses, a neighbor's cat came courting my girls who have been spayed. He thought my Harley was moving in on his territory

[Felvtalk] Fw: Pebbles - dlgegg

2011-07-08 Thread Lynda Wilson
I do realize that, otherwise why would I go to all the trouble? It's sad to have ppl put down animals b/c they don't want to go to the trouble. I had the vet ask me if I wanted to put Pebbles down when they discovered she was a diabetic. I shivered at the thought. But I will still say she