Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Lorrie
You declawed your cat? I will send you some information about this. It is NOT a good thing to do. People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the digit of each toe along with the nail. It's a very serious and

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Also: http://www.*pawproject*.*org*/ http://www.pawproject.org/ Technically, it's like getting your fingers cut off at the first knuckle, except that all that cats have for fingers are their claws. So it's really like having all your entire fingers (and thumbs) cut off, so you can't pick up

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
I no longer declaw my cats, Zoey passed away a week ago, I no longer declaw my cats.   From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw You declawed your cat?  I

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
thanks everyone for the information. i know it is wrong and i no longer do it to my animals, the last one i did was over 5 years ago and he has long sinced passed. I felt horrible once i had seen what they really do. Thanks for the reminding information.

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
When I first joined the animal welfare movement, I was and still am an animal rights activist, vegan by ethics and choice.  I was treated by some as if I were a terrorist, barely tolerated by them, feared by others, ignored by still others.  Finally, one of the fearful people asked me what

Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

2012-10-04 Thread Sharyl
Janine, 1st thank you for helping all these cats and kittens in such a responsible manner.  Here is the link to a chart I have found very helpful in explaining testing for FeLV http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html   As I understand it the IFA test requires the virus to be in the kittens

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
During the years of concentration camps, very few babies were born to the women who were being tortured there, even though rape was rampant.  It wasn't that they turned off their reproductive system because it was a legitimate rape but because below a certain nutritional level, the body of a

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor
Lorrie, I agree with you 100%. My Mom has wanted to adopt several kittens I have had in the past and I have always told her NO because she declaws, then she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and social as they were when they were kittens and I say that's because you tortured and

[Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Tell me about being treated as a terrorist! It has become much better now, as far as the general population goes, however, AETA, that’s another wonderful thing…. (Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act of 2006, passed by only six members, under GWB, and the only one who voted against it was

[Felvtalk] FW: Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Did your vet recommend it? I know that Bainfield Health, the veterinary Group with Petsmart, has a package deal on kitten health (DUH), that includes declawing! I wrote to them and got a really stupid letter back - I will post it sometime - just unbelievable! From: Felvtalk

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Natalie, The pounds/shelters have a higher profile than do rescuers. If they sincerely implement the No Kill Equation, they can save over 90% of their intake, including those animals brought in or dumped by the minority of the public that is irresponsible. Until they do so, however, they are

[Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
Hey guys not to get off from subject butI was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Terri Brown
I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
The Jains eat only things that fall from the plants, so the plants don't get killed. After I read this, I quit eating root veggies. On the other hand, they do not believe in keeping pets, much along the lines of PeTA, except they don't kill them. Have you seen this book? It may be a key to

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
Thanks, it's okay. He had FeLV and we did everything we could to keep him alive, he lived over four years with the disease. I was so proud of him, and happy that we got a chance to have him in our family. From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To:

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Susan
Declawing can also result in litterbox issues Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Lorrie, I agree with you 100%. My Mom has wanted to adopt several kittens I have had in the past and I have always told her NO because she declaws, then

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
As a matter of fact I had set up an appointment with my vet for a fm cat we have and they offered it at a discount if i did it together. I'm going to be honest I don't see much of a difference from the declaw cat and the one that is not. As long as they have posts and one takes the time to let

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so confused on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something different. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:51 AM

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Fruitarians – fruit fall off when ripe, eat only raw foods. I eat root vegetables, too much nutrition in them not to, especially beets – I couldn’t live without them. There are actually people who live on energy (Hunzas) – breatherians! Yes, I’ve heard of the book! Good idea – it’s

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Terri Brown
I just think that there are too many varied opinions to discuss politics here. That's all. There is a risk of causing offense -- we are all so very different people, and not all of us believe the same things. I think that the best thing to do is to read both candidate's platform. Decide

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
Not sure I could make my own soy milk.  I don't much like milk with cat fur in it.  I have almost 40 cats here at any given time, mostly elderly or socially or physically handicapped and I can't keep them off counters.  My house was not well organized due to a little mistake in planning. 

[Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:53 AMI get the same response from hostile people.  Trees and vegetables are living things so you can't eat that either.  Well, I will never be seen munching on a tree.  I'm not a woodpecker but my idea is that I never eat anything that had a face or could move on

[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Lee, my cat population beats yours! There’s no cat fur in the milk I make – see all the soy milk makers that are available: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=imagefr=goodsearch-yhsifva=Soy+milk+maker

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor
Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Terri Brown
I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm sorry to hear that, I've been taking it from people on facebook as I am just trying to understand what each of them is for. For me it's healthcare, that is what intrests me the most however, when it comes to people like Mike Vick, there need to be better laws put into place, i just wondered

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Terri Brown
True enough. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I would never bash someone for their beliefs because

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree. I know that we are all from different states and backgrounds, that is why i am curious i know what it is like hear in Michigan... I would never judge anyone...   From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor
Thanks for sharing that with us because I have wondered how someone in the healthcare industry felt about it. Speaking from the perspective of someone whose husband lost his job 3 days before Christmas in 2008 and all of the promises made by the current administration to help with mortgages,

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Marcia Baronda
Stupid ideas from stupid people! Sorry, I hate to sound so judgemental, but seriously? Killed all the cats? That makes me sick. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Thursday,

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Maureen Olvey
Without endorsing either candidate here's some thoughts I had on deciding between the candidates: I don't think either candidate will directly influence animal cruelty laws or humane practice laws. They've got too much else to worry about, especially right now. Even if they love animals it

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the

Re: [Felvtalk] President - OT Topics

2012-10-04 Thread Sharyl
I agree with Terri.  This list was set up to discuss ill kitties.  NOT politics and hunting.  There are other groups dedicated to those topics.    In the meantime how about helping out Bella.  That is what this group is for   JMHO Sharyl  From: Joslin Potter

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread longhornfans
Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated you made very valid points. Thanks for your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians lie I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. Thanks again, Maureen! L Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Lorrie
One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to the way he wanted it. He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans who really screwed it up. My opinion - and you can guess who I'll vote for. Lorrie On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: Well, I have a different

Re: [Felvtalk] for Lee

2012-10-04 Thread Lorrie
Lee, We think alike. Humans are the main cause of most of the problems on earth! Too bad we have to keep feeding hunters, irresponsible pet owners, polluters, and other jerks like this. Lorrie On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: During the years of concentration camps, very few babies

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Lorrie
Edna, Can't say I blame you for not backing down on the declawing. My mom didn't even like cats enough to adopt one. I never figured out how I became such an animal lover, because I was always dragging home injured animals and Mom would say Get that filthy thing out of here. If my mom saw how

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I'm sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Marcia
My mom didn't like cats either, but I know where I came from. My gramma loved dogs and cats and I spent a log of time with her. My Mom loved loved dogs, we had 12 collies living with us, but NO CATS!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

[Felvtalk] FW: President

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Actually very simple: Romney's dog on top of the car and Obama's dog inside the car. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Without

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Marcia
Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Marcia
Lorrie, Me too(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to the way he wanted it. He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans who really screwed it up. My

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Terri Brown
I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Beth
I agree. Totally not appropriate for this forum. You might want to email people privately if they want to respond Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so confused on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: President

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most.  Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
In addition, our teeth are not those of carnivores.  We have teeth similar to other primates.  We can't tear into our food.  We chomp like a chimp.  Our teeth are suited to nuts, seeds, grains, fruit, leaves, tubers and roots.  When we try to shred meat, even the most tender steak or well

[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-04 Thread Elizabeth Malone
This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-04 Thread Elizabeth Malone
I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know