I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
positive test results on my year old kitten.
I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative
and figured I could
Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.
Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The
thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.
Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.
My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new
Thanks for the information Lance.
I will ask my vet about it tomorrow
as well as the Innova-EVO and Transfer Factor.
She has given me the Maitake DMG. I've been
giving it to her twice a day since Friday.
I am so grateful to have found this list. I was
thinking how isolated and scary it would
Wendy I think that giardia is most often contracted from
I found MeMe through a photo on Petfinders. It was two months
after NoNo died and there was something about her face that
struck a cord. I called the 'shelter' and was told that she was just
getting over an upper
I spoke to my homeopathic vet today and she
does not know about Virbagen Omega but
said she would be very interested in researching it.
Lance can you give me any contact info that I can forward to her?
Also ...I was reading about Immuno Regulin on the Home Page for this
website. Has anyone any
I'm visualizing the reincarnation of James Herriot (All Creatures Great
renting the house next door.
Here's hoping your caring vibes attract a conscious person.
I cannot imagine how tired and stressed you must be. I wonder if the
of her 'housemates' has been an assault on Kissa's immunity. She is on
her own path
and you are doing everything you can to support her. She will let you
Take care of yourself.
It has been one week since MeMe's diagnosis and yesterday
I thought we were making progress. Her swollen glands are
noticeably diminished, her sneezing has all but stopped and her
bad breath from stomatitis is very much improved.
Her appetite has been great and I have been able to get her
Mary, I would make the assumption that Chica
is negative, and will always be negative and will
live a long and happy life.
I think that 30% of cats (probably many more) have a
natural immunity to FeLV. After two years of living
together, it seems that Chica is one of the lucky ones.
What is the best quality Lycine to get?
I just Googled it, and there are dozens of
brands and I know that since supplements are
not regulated, that a quality name is important.
Also, how do all of you deal with the 'supplement fatigue'.
We've only been into this for a week, but I can see that
Hoping that Kisa has a good night and that
all of you can get some much needed sleep.
I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis
and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there
are hundreds of choices. I was hoping
Cassandra do you have a pill plunger to pill Kisa?
We got one from our vet and it has made pilling
MeMe and our Scotties so much easier. If you don't have one,
I can ask my vet where you can get one.
Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions and links.
Kelly thank you for the link to your wonderful rescue
facility and especially for the loving care you give to
those sweet, vulnerable beings.
Dede I would love to get your ideas for a enclosure.
I'll be in touch.
Thanks very much for the research on Giardia.
My vet has sent us Panacur
as the Metronidazole did not work and she (MeMe) could
not tolerate Drontal. We're taking all the recommended
precautions to prevent transmission. It is a really difficult
one. I appreciate the time you spent on getting us
Phaewryn, I think you are right about the success of FortiFlora having
with the fact that cats actually like it and eat it. My vet is
suspicious of anything
out of Purina, but thinks that they got this one right.
A friend found it on line for $16.00 a box (of 30 packets) with an
Cassandra, thinking of you and Kisa.
Hoping that you had a good night.
It is 18.00, not 16.00
I really have not been using it long enough to recommend it, but the
vet I use has had very good results.
to be continued
Thanks for asking about her. I welcome the chance to talk about her
to people who know and live with this disease.
One thing I've learned in these past 12 days is there is no consistency
or statics. We've gotten rid of swollen glands and very bad breath, but
sneezes and a runny eye are back.
I feed my dogs, and have fed my former cats a raw diet.
I follow both Dr Richard Pitcairn and Dr Ian Billinghurst's species
concepts and recipes.
Both my dogs and cats have thrived on it. Both the vets I use
homeopathic) think that if I can wean MeMe from crack to a
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:34:36 -0500
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: raw diet
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Will MeMe eat raw if there is nothing else to eat? Or if you mix a
small amount of food with or
I am so very sorry for your loss. I hope you can find comfort knowing
she is reunited with Koda and that they are both without pain.
I hope you can now get some rest.
We who choose to surround ourselves
With lives even more temporary than our own
Live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached
For Charity, Kisa, Jet and Nookie and to those who loved them
'rest in peace'
It is so nice to know that you and Wallace had
a much better day. I hope that when you get the
recipe for the liver shake, that he laps it up and
that you guys can share many blissful moments together.
In all the *wonderful* advice and support I've gotten
I often wonder what the link is between those of us
who forge deep emotional connections with their
pets, and those who do not, or cannot.
I have always felt like the lunatic fringe when the loss
of my 19 year old cat was more painful than loosing
either of my parents.
As we all know, the
I am new ( a few weeks) on this list, but have found the
people here to be very knowledgeable about FLEV and
very kind and willing to share. It sounds as if Duncan is in
a very healthy place right now. I would imagine the best
advise for you would be to support him with the
Tonya 8 years seems so hopeful. Have there been times when he was
struggled. Please tell me how you have cared for him.
On Jun 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, catatonya wrote:
I'm in Georgia too. Where are you? My positive is 8 years old and
going strong right now.
I cannot imagine a vet can be so callous, or frankly, so sick. At the
very bottom of the AVMA's home page, there is a contact us link. You
might register your conversation
with this vet by name. If there have been previous complaints about his
conduct or care, they could take action.
I don't have any information about antibiotics, but now
would be the time to do the FortiFlora, if you haven't already
begun. Hopefully the Baytril will do the trick. A sore tail might
make him feel sad, especially if the circumstance wasn't to his
Hoping the boy begins to perk
I am trying to decide what the best treatment would be for
my cat (MeMe) who has 'moderate, but improving symptoms' of FeLV.
(we are having success with stomatitis and giardia, but still have some
swollen glands and a runny nose).
I asked one vet that I use to order Virbagen Omega for me.
The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential.
Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to
every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are
over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination
can protect an animal for its lifetime,
Yes thanks Belinda!. I ordered FortiFlora from Pet Food Direct and was
reluctant to recommend it
because it is more expensive and the shipping takes forever.
I am giving so many supplements that I do not know what is doing what.
That we now have actual stools in
the litter box is 'big
This is a very thoughtful and well reasoned article about the
over vaccination problem. It is written by a dog 'person', but
her research includes felines, and the issues are the same.
On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Marylyn wrote:
What you didn't mention is that Drs Dodds Schultz need funding for
this research. I am contributing thru a group I belong to and,
unfortunately, don't have the link any more. Perhaps someone else can
provide the link on the research and
thoughts that the recent lump you
discovered has dissipated by now and that it was nothing more than a
stubbornly swollen lymph node.
Hugs to both you and MeMe,
Jane Lyons wrote:
I am trying to decide what the best treatment would be for
my cat (MeMe) who has 'moderate, but improving symptoms
on homemade cat
food that i posted about awhile back; she does a weekly holistic pet
chat at www.doghobbyist.com; writes a weekly column for the SFGate
called Your Whole Pet, and is one of the people who hired and
trained me as a chat host over seven years ago.
On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL
How do you know he still has a fever? Do you take his temperature
or bring him to the vet to have it taken?
I hope the Baytril works. How is his tail?
On Jun 22, 2007, at 4:13 PM, cindy reasoner wrote:
I would try the immuno regulin. It helped Smokey with
I am so sorry that you are experiencing this assault. It must be
so difficult and so stressful.
Our animals are often victims of what we have done to our
environment (pesticides, herbicides, chemicals etc) and
over vaccination and feeding poor quality food. It has been going on
I've been off line for this past week and was so sad to see
that Tomi did not make it. My first thought was that at least he
is with Kisa and that they are both out of pain.
I hope you can take comfort in knowing that.
Here's hoping that this transfusion will bring Monkee back and give you
plenty of time to regroup.
It is such a difficult time for the both of you. I hope that this new
give you both the support that you need, and help in knowing when it is
whenever that may
The home page for this group has a list and explanation of the drugs
that are being used for FeLV
Hope Isabella improves.
Jun 30, 2007, at 10:50 AM, laurieskatz wrote:
Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and
Dede I am so sorry. I was hoping that when I turned this
computer on that there would be some good news about Ki.
He was lucky to have found you. I hope you can find comfort
in the good times you shared and knowing that he finally
felt loved and cared for.
You fought for him until the very end,
I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv
I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them
knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have
Glad to hear about MeME. I have a sick Li Won
(mouth), Toby (mouth),
Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
none are FELV however.
Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
Marylyn where do you buy Just Born and Brush Away?
thanks very much
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise
their fellow man.
- Original Message - From: Jane Lyons
My cat has been diagnosed with stomatitis. I had not known it was
called Lymphocytic plasmacytic stomatitis.
She is a year old and positive. We got her four months ago. Her gums
were inflamed and very swollen and her breath
was very bad.
My vet prescribed Maitake DMG, and FloriForta ( a
I identify with your fear for Isabella, I am sure all of us here do.
I've been reading your posts trying to figure out just what Isabella is
Other than a fever and lethargy, she has no other symptoms?
I did not know that Doxy caused a change in appetite. My
This poem was written by Ryan Alexander, a former Marine, while he was
serving in Mosul, Iraq. He recited it on N.P.R. this morning. It is
collection of poetry in a book entitled Operation Homecoming.
On Jul 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM,
: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:40 PM
Subject: just bummed
This disease is really awful. It seems as though we take a step
and then two steps backward.
I thought we had finally gotten rid of giardia, but we are back to
Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast.
One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an
reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using
Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'.
On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM,
I am so sorry that you lost your sweet Monkee.
To find that connection with an animal, with another being, is a gift
The toll that taking care of a beloved pet is enormous. I hope that
you will be able to sleep soundly, knowing that Monkee is free of pain
and that his angels are
Thanks Hideyo ...
On Jul 17, 2007, at 6:43 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
Lend Me A Kitten
I will lend to you for a while a kitten, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back,
Several weeks ago, after I got the Felv diagnosis, I had to stop
go out. She was miserable and I was sure that the stress of screaming
door handle was going to do the both of us in.
I asked the list for help with enclosures and got a lot of great
Great job getting the information, guys
While we're at it, we might ask CNN to loose the vile footage of dog
fights. I saw and heard two seconds of
it before I could grab the remote. It is so heartbreaking and they are
clearly showing it for the sensational aspects.
Also, they have a video on
This is a cat blog that was listed by Business Week as one of the most
successful/profitable blogs on the net.
Maitake-DMG liquid is the supplement my vet (homeopath) recommended
for immune support.
Glad that Isabella is so much better.
On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:28 PM, laurieskatz wrote:
Good thought. Thank-you. I have L-lysine. Is that what you would use???
- Original Message
I cannot find the post, but I thought someone on the list said
that they used the human Transfer Factor for their cat, rather
than the feline formula.
Is it a powder that is mixed into wet food? If the human grade is
used, what quantity?
Thanks for the information Laurie and Sally.
I thought I would try it when the Maitake DMG runs out. My vet thought
using both was redundant.
On Jul 23, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
I use the human form of Transfer Factor. Originally I got 4 life
I am always hoping to find someone who has a symptomatic cat who is
How old is Junior? Please tell me a bit about him and how he has made
such good progress.
On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Sally Davis wrote:
I live in VA so nowhere near Fort
look for Junior
funny ears picture.
I still have 10 cats and they do mix. They were all very exposed to
the virus as all are very social.
In my panic mode I had to get
On 7/27/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally
I am always hoping to find someone who has
My vet thinks that many of the health problems that both cats and dogs
are facing is the result of
over vaccination. I would not vaccinate such young cats, and I would
research the Felk vaccine before
I would ever consider it for basically indoor cats. The Felk
vaccination is still
-- please email it to me if you
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: 'the jacket'
Several weeks ago, after I got the Felv diagnosis, I had to stop
go out. She was miserable
This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are
the primary source of income for many
veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have
lobbied against this protocol, this has
been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but
The challenge is based on the need to understand exactly how long
immunity lasts once a rabies vaccine is give - the old data which
is three or one year is actually a result of the original test
subjects being put down rather
A good information, Jane, I will cross post it.
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today
This information was released today. Because yearly
did a bit of research to find out where the original source of this
mis-attributed to Jean Dodds 'quotation' came from - it's an article
from 2003 - published in
Vexing vaccinations: a tale of too much of a good thing - petcare
Better Nutrition, May, 2003 by Ann N.
Susan it was Marylyn who recommended it. I got it, but have not been
to get it into MeMe. I have so many supplements to give her and she
to dislike wet food. I hope your guys like it and that it helps.
On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:
Ok, once again,
I've never used Brewer's yeast for cats, but one of my dogs had an
allergic reaction to it.
Her ears turned bright red and were very itchy. The vet said it was
similar to a yeast infection.
I'd be very cautious about the dosage.
On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Melissa Lind
I am so sorry, Tee. We grieve with you.
n Aug 10, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:
I'm so sorry to report that my dear Sammy went to Heaven on Tuesday
morning. He had gone into Animal 911 the evening before. He felt
quite warm and when I took his
A few minutes after my vet came in with MeMe's positive Feline
results, she started talking about a book she was reading about a remedy
being used for Hiv/Aids patients in Africa.
I barely heard a word she said because I was reeling with shock and
really felt like
Thanks for this, Nina
It is so lovely.
On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Nina wrote:
The following is an excerpt from an article that was posted on
another list I'm on. The felv list is always shadowed by the
sorrow and the potential sorrow of losing a loved one. We've
touched on the
This reminds me of walking into the house where we went to pick up
MeMe (petfinders) We were in total shock. Knowing what we now know,
I often wonder how many of those babies were positive. Who can
possibly know or judge ones heart or
intentions. I wonder how the neighbors are
Susan thank you. This really clarifies the subject.
On Aug 13, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Susan Dubose wrote:
http://www.animalsh eltering. org/resource_ library/magazine
_articles/ jul_aug_2003/ the_bleach_ niche.html
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
Thanks Wendy That is so fabulous. What a great cat (and dog).
Some of you have seen this before, because I've posted it, but
there are a lot of newbies that I thought might enjoy it. This is
my favorite kitty funny:
I am so sorry that you have lost Joy and Spencer.
Thank you for loving and caring for them.
On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Marylyn wrote:
Dixie has a 10 x 10 x 6 foot tall dog kennel (a shade topper is on
the way) that ran about $200. If you buy the panels you can add on
to the enclosure or reconfigure it as needed. Until you are very
sure where the little darlings can sneak out
Well done, Caroline. You and your mother must be both saddened and
relieved at once. I'm sure you will miss
her, but knowing that she is going home to a place where she is loved
is a consolation.
For 2 to 3 cat households, jackets are a great way to allow cats
outdoors to roam around with
You and your kitties are very fortunate to have found this list, so
consider that a very good omen.
We are all using a variety of supplements, and you will get many
the trick is to get the ones that you can get them to eat.
l-lycine is tasteless. You should
Getting some Nutrical into him is a good idea if you cannot get him
to eat or drink anything else.
You can put the gel on the tip of his nose or his paw so that he will
lick it off. Can you manage to give him
the Clavamox? I hope that you can get him to eat, or at least get
How did the transfer go? How did Nosey react to her 'mother'?
How are you and your mom doing?
Hoping it was a very happy ending.
Sherry I am so sorry for the loss of your sweet Genevieve. Thank you
for all the work that you do for
these dear kitties.
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
Is the name of the product you use for stomatitis called Brush Away?
Can you describe it and tell me where you get it?
I've not been able to clear up two areas on MeMe's upper gum.
I've been giving her First Born and several other immune supplements,
these two areas are difficult.
I am so sorry Megan. It is heartbreaking. Olive was lucky to have
to experience your love and care. She was a beautiful kittie.
tunately, I had to resort to PTS. It was
probably the toughest decision
of my life--or at least, the second toughest, the
first being to decide to
About 15 minutes ago I opened a newsletter from the shelter where I
adopted MeMe. There was a hand written note at the top of the page
that reads Hi, I think of you so often. So sorry about your bad luck.
My bad luck is MeMe's diagnosis. I have such mixed feelings about this
woman and her
I'm so sorry that your Papillon has run into a rough patch. I hope
the treatment he got today (please give us some detail on his
treatment) will get him to a comfortable place where he can
be your 'best kitty in the whole world' for a long time to come.
This disease seems to inhabit the
What about 'Just Born' with Colostrum? Marylyn recommended it as a
supplement for boosting immunity
and I do not know what's doing what, but the combination I am using
is working and 'Just Born'
is a part of the regime. It is in a powder form and I just sprinkle
it on her food
much L-Lysine do you give them?
I should mention they are all supposed to be Felv neg., but I guess
there's a chance that could prove to be wrong down the road. I
took them in so suddenly that I didn't get to ask a lot of
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm happy to hear Autumn is doing better.
Here is a link to the list for the Association of Homeopathic
I use both an allopathic and homeopathic vet and with the help of
really generous and experienced people
on this list, my once very
Nina suggested I try feeding dry 'kitten' food (any decent brand)
because the caloric value is much higher. I did, and MeMe has been
eating it and steadily gaining weight.
If Ember likes Sheba, I would bump it up. If she needs to gain weight
I'd offer her anything (again, decent
I think that your vet is right. I would never consider vaccinating a
This is a link to C.A. Diodati. http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/
She has researched and written exhaustively about vaccinations, and
is considered a sane
and reasoned voice on the
It was so great that you were able to post his picture. It gives all
of us a sense of who he is and a connection
to him, that a name does not quite do. He is such a lovely boy and I
am so glad you decided to 'take him on'.
My (holistic) vet recommended the probiotic FortiFlora as an
Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck
could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck?
Marylyn is the person who has used PetzLife successfully and
A syringe is a great idea. I've been putting it on my finger (while
Dennis attempts to
hold her mouth open) trying to rub it on her gums. It is a major 'event'
We have used it for a few weeks and I think
I do not want to give you false hope because Autumn is very young,
and on her own path,
but 4 months ago I faced almost identical symptoms as you do. MeMe
had a gland at the base
of her throat that felt like a ping pong ball and I thought she was
having trouble swallowing.
Nina, Hideyo and Lance for offering help to Susan with Autumn.
I remember feeling overwhelmed with fear and sadness several
months ago and you really pulled us through.
I really appreciate your input.
Michael I agree with Wendy. At his age and condition I would say no
to vaccs for now.
Here is a link to some articles on vaccinations: http://
How were you able to post his photo to us?
On Oct 20, 2007, at 12:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I did not think it possible to send photos to the list.
On Oct 20, 2007, at 1:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/20/2007 1:22:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello. My vet does only one vaccination at a time and does them
separately from the
thinking of Nina and everyone in So California
who have been ravaged by these fires.and of all
Please let us know if there is anyway we can help.
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