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Sounds like ur vet is trying to get her to get rid of any infection. In terms of eating, I think ur vet is right on-give her anything she'll eat. Some things I've used are Gerber stage2 ham, or turkey or beef (has no garlic or onion-just plain); tuna water (from can); yogurt is good if she'll take it-helps with nausea/diarrhea from antibiotics. All my cats seem to devour Fancy Feast (chicken classic)-its like catnip! Lol Basically, I go thru refrig try everything-cold cuts, cheese, cottage cheese-not necessarily the best diet long term but I figure something is always better than nothing. Sometimes, heating the food in micro just to get it warm (and smelly) helps. There's also the food trappers use to lure ferals-warm Kentucky Fried Chicken (little warm pieces without bones). Its not easy very frustrating so hang in there.. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Dee, I'm sorry your cat is having problems. Cerenia is typically Rx'd as an anti-emetic (vomiting). Some vets also Rx it for nausea even though there are better drugs to use for nausea. Each kitty is unique and Cerenia does seem to help fight nausea in some cats. Most in the FAF yahoo group give it for 4 days then take a day off. Not sure what you vet recommended. The FAF list members have found Cerenia to be a very effective and safe anti-emetic. Here is a link to a good vet article on meds used to control vomiting. The info on Cerenia is about 1/2 way down under the heading 'A new antiemetic drug for dogs'. http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/avhc/content/printContentPopup.jsp?id=6 76860 Hope this helps Sharyl From: Dawn Morrison dlmgreen1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice My 7yr old has up till this point shown no signs of the virus. Tuesday she was acting very odd and not eating. I took her to the vet, who ran bloodwork. Her lympocytes were incredibly high, wbc was high (can't remember the numbers), she had a 104 temp. She got injections of b12, steroid, antibiotic and I was sent home with antibiotic and pain meds if needed and an appetite stimulant. Wed she wouldn't eat again so I was syringe feeding her. I have been giving her the anitbio and app stimulant. Today she started to eat on her own, although I will still syringe to make sure she's getting enough nutrients. She also has IBD but the vet said to give her whatever she'll eat at this point to at least get her wanting to eat again. We sent the bloodwork out to a lab to assure the in house results were correct, they were. My vet wants to start her on cerenia, keep her on the anitbio and the app stimulant. We're basically going to take it day by day at this point. Since she is now shedding the virus she is staying in her bedroom (which has a screen door on it) but is a little stressed that she can't come out and visit when we are home. I've been going in and visiting as much as possible but it's hard when I'm gone for most of the day. We have another kitty who we have to get tested in 2 months to see if she was exposed. If anyone has suggestions or opinions I would appreciate it. Also, has anyone used cerenia and is there anything I should know about it? Has anyone else gone through similiar experiences and can offer any advice? Thanks in advance and sorry this is so long. Dee ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/fe lvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice
My 7yr old has up till this point shown no signs of the virus. Tuesday she was acting very odd and not eating. I took her to the vet, who ran bloodwork. Her lympocytes were incredibly high, wbc was high (can't remember the numbers), she had a 104 temp. She got injections of b12, steroid, antibiotic and I was sent home with antibiotic and pain meds if needed and an appetite stimulant. Wed she wouldn't eat again so I was syringe feeding her. I have been giving her the anitbio and app stimulant. Today she started to eat on her own, although I will still syringe to make sure she's getting enough nutrients. She also has IBD but the vet said to give her whatever she'll eat at this point to at least get her wanting to eat again. We sent the bloodwork out to a lab to assure the in house results were correct, they were. My vet wants to start her on cerenia, keep her on the anitbio and the app stimulant. We're basically going to take it day by day at this point. Since she is now shedding the virus she is staying in her bedroom (which has a screen door on it) but is a little stressed that she can't come out and visit when we are home. I've been going in and visiting as much as possible but it's hard when I'm gone for most of the day. We have another kitty who we have to get tested in 2 months to see if she was exposed. If anyone has suggestions or opinions I would appreciate it. Also, has anyone used cerenia and is there anything I should know about it? Has anyone else gone through similiar experiences and can offer any advice? Thanks in advance and sorry this is so long. Dee ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One of my FeLVs got really high temps once. He was at the emergency vet all weekend. He got over it, but started a downward spiral after that for the next year. Why does he want to put her on the cerenia? is she vomiting a lot? I understand you keeping her separate if she is sick, but as long as your other cats are vaccinated there is no reason to keep them separate once she is well. It just stresses them out. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Dawn Morrison dlmgreen1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice My 7yr old has up till this point shown no signs of the virus. Tuesday she was acting very odd and not eating. I took her to the vet, who ran bloodwork. Her lympocytes were incredibly high, wbc was high (can't remember the numbers), she had a 104 temp. She got injections of b12, steroid, antibiotic and I was sent home with antibiotic and pain meds if needed and an appetite stimulant. Wed she wouldn't eat again so I was syringe feeding her. I have been giving her the anitbio and app stimulant. Today she started to eat on her own, although I will still syringe to make sure she's getting enough nutrients. She also has IBD but the vet said to give her whatever she'll eat at this point to at least get her wanting to eat again. We sent the bloodwork out to a lab to assure the in house results were correct, they were. My vet wants to start her on cerenia, keep her on the anitbio and the app stimulant. We're basically going to take it day by day at this point. Since she is now shedding the virus she is staying in her bedroom (which has a screen door on it) but is a little stressed that she can't come out and visit when we are home. I've been going in and visiting as much as possible but it's hard when I'm gone for most of the day. We have another kitty who we have to get tested in 2 months to see if she was exposed. If anyone has suggestions or opinions I would appreciate it. Also, has anyone used cerenia and is there anything I should know about it? Has anyone else gone through similiar experiences and can offer any advice? Thanks in advance and sorry this is so long. Dee ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice
Dee, I'm sorry your cat is having problems. Cerenia is typically Rx'd as an anti-emetic (vomiting). Some vets also Rx it for nausea even though there are better drugs to use for nausea. Each kitty is unique and Cerenia does seem to help fight nausea in some cats. Most in the FAF yahoo group give it for 4 days then take a day off. Not sure what you vet recommended. The FAF list members have found Cerenia to be a very effective and safe anti-emetic. Here is a link to a good vet article on meds used to control vomiting. The info on Cerenia is about 1/2 way down under the heading 'A new antiemetic drug for dogs'. http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/avhc/content/printContentPopup.jsp?id=676860 Hope this helps Sharyl From: Dawn Morrison dlmgreen1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice My 7yr old has up till this point shown no signs of the virus. Tuesday she was acting very odd and not eating. I took her to the vet, who ran bloodwork. Her lympocytes were incredibly high, wbc was high (can't remember the numbers), she had a 104 temp. She got injections of b12, steroid, antibiotic and I was sent home with antibiotic and pain meds if needed and an appetite stimulant. Wed she wouldn't eat again so I was syringe feeding her. I have been giving her the anitbio and app stimulant. Today she started to eat on her own, although I will still syringe to make sure she's getting enough nutrients. She also has IBD but the vet said to give her whatever she'll eat at this point to at least get her wanting to eat again. We sent the bloodwork out to a lab to assure the in house results were correct, they were. My vet wants to start her on cerenia, keep her on the anitbio and the app stimulant. We're basically going to take it day by day at this point. Since she is now shedding the virus she is staying in her bedroom (which has a screen door on it) but is a little stressed that she can't come out and visit when we are home. I've been going in and visiting as much as possible but it's hard when I'm gone for most of the day. We have another kitty who we have to get tested in 2 months to see if she was exposed. If anyone has suggestions or opinions I would appreciate it. Also, has anyone used cerenia and is there anything I should know about it? Has anyone else gone through similiar experiences and can offer any advice? Thanks in advance and sorry this is so long. Dee ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
The rubbermaid is more expensive but I have a couple that have held up for 5-6 years while the cheaper ones lasted a year or two. On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, dana giordano wrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
This didn't seem to go through, just wanted to double send in case some weirdness happened. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry! Didn't read that post properly. For full on cat enclosures, these sites may work better for companies and ideas: http://catioshowcase.com/ http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm http://www.catiodesigns.com/ http://habitathaven.com/cat-enclosures.html http://www.habitatforcats.com/ http://www.kittykouch.com/articles/cathabitat.htm http://www.wvcats.com/enclosures.htm http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm http://www.catforum.com/forum/36-cat-chat/138057-outdoor-cat-habitat-pics.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o)
Great! Thank you! The first site has great pics! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o) Sorry! Didn't read that post properly. For full on cat enclosures, these sites may work better for companies and ideas: http://catioshowcase.com/ http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm http://www.catiodesigns.com/ http://habitathaven.com/cat-enclosures.html http://www.habitatforcats.com/ http://www.kittykouch.com/articles/cathabitat.htm http://www.wvcats.com/enclosures.htm http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm http://www.catforum.com/forum/36-cat-chat/138057-outdoor-cat-habitat-pics.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o)
Sorry! Didn't read that post properly. For full on cat enclosures, these sites may work better for companies and ideas: http://catioshowcase.com/ http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm http://www.catiodesigns.com/ http://habitathaven.com/cat-enclosures.html http://www.habitatforcats.com/ http://www.kittykouch.com/articles/cathabitat.htm http://www.wvcats.com/enclosures.htm http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm http://www.catforum.com/forum/36-cat-chat/138057-outdoor-cat-habitat-pics.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!!
I just wanted to say thanks for all of the advice. Horus and Blackie had their check-ups yesterday, and I am very happy to let you know that they are still FeLV negative. They got their FeLV boosters, and I feel so relieved to know that they are both still virus free. I didn't realize how worried I was until I got the test results! Thank you! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!!
Oh thank goodness. I am very happy for you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com wrote: From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:21 PM I just wanted to say thanks for all of the advice. Horus and Blackie had their check-ups yesterday, and I am very happy to let you know that they are still FeLV negative. They got their FeLV boosters, and I feel so relieved to know that they are both still virus free. I didn't realize how worried I was until I got the test results! Thank you! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating
It's probably just a matter of personal choice at this point, but we vaccinated our FelV- cat once a year and we decided not to re-test after the first year of exposure. Honestly, if they are adult cats, and they haven't become FelV+ within a year, its probably a slim chance they will ever become positive. But, I think its up to you and what you feel comfortable with. I felt like the FelV vaccine might be the only thing I could do to protect the negatives at this point. I did not vaccinate my FelV+ kitty. In regards to rabies, I did the first and second round of rabies shots. Have not decided if I will continue. My cats never go outside but you never know I guess. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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re: rabies: i would suggest that you follow your state's recommendations. should a bat or other critter with high possibility of rabies get into your house, or your kitty get outdoors and be bitten, the odds are way too high that should it be rabies-positive, your cat will be PRESUMED to be, and killed. some states WILL accept a vet's written statement that a household pet NOT be vaccinated on health grounds, but it's definitely something to check in advance, because you do NOT want to find yourself in this position. if you ever want to take your kitty or puppy on vacation and are crossing state lines, you'll need a rabies cert, too--and you'll need to know if the states you're travelling to accept the three-year vaccines or not. (canada requires the one-year, so even tho both michigan and new york would take the 3-year, when i'd travel between the latter two, i'd have to have the one year...) states tend NOT to be lax and understanding about rabies MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating please?
It's been about a year now since Cinder was pts due to advanced sarcoma caused by FeLV. 3 Months after learning of the cause of Cinder's cancer, Onyx tested FeLV+ (Elisa IFA), but Horus Blackie tested negative and were vaccinated. The vet (a great vet!) is recommending re-testing and booster vax for both Horus Blackie. I see and understand her point of view, but I'm not sure about re-testing, and I'm on the fence about the vaccine. The reason I'm thinking of not re-testing is that I wouldn't do anything different since all the cats are healthy and on a very good diet. All the cats were already adults when introduced to each other, and lived together for over a year before Onyx's diagnosis. The vet feels that since the three cats are not separated, the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks (only 2% of cats who receive the FeLV vaccine develop fibrosarcoma at the vaccination site). However, I'm not sure if re-vaccinating is a good idea if either or both are now positive, which is where I'm stuck. They are both going to the vet on Monday morning for check ups and rabies vaccinations. Any advice? What would you do? Thanks, Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating please?
If it would make no difference in what you will do and you are very sure that you will never look back with regrets don't do it. As far as rabiesperhaps you should check out titers. Make very sure you will not look back and question your decisions. On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote: It's been about a year now since Cinder was pts due to advanced sarcoma caused by FeLV. 3 Months after learning of the cause of Cinder's cancer, Onyx tested FeLV+ (Elisa IFA), but Horus Blackie tested negative and were vaccinated. The vet (a great vet!) is recommending re-testing and booster vax for both Horus Blackie. I see and understand her point of view, but I'm not sure about re- testing, and I'm on the fence about the vaccine. The reason I'm thinking of not re-testing is that I wouldn't do anything different since all the cats are healthy and on a very good diet. All the cats were already adults when introduced to each other, and lived together for over a year before Onyx's diagnosis. The vet feels that since the three cats are not separated, the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks (only 2% of cats who receive the FeLV vaccine develop fibrosarcoma at the vaccination site). However, I'm not sure if re-vaccinating is a good idea if either or both are now positive, which is where I'm stuck. They are both going to the vet on Monday morning for check ups and rabies vaccinations. Any advice? What would you do? Thanks, Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating please?
Avia, each of us has to make our own decision on vaccinations. My negatives receive annual leukemia vaccines. They all receive the 3 yr rabies since it is required in VA. I do not give my positive the leukemia vaccine if that is your question. My thoughts are the vaccine gives my negatives the only protection I am aware of with minimal risk. I do mix mine. Sharyl --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com wrote: From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating please? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 8:15 PM It's been about a year now since Cinder was pts due to advanced sarcoma caused by FeLV. 3 Months after learning of the cause of Cinder's cancer, Onyx tested FeLV+ (Elisa IFA), but Horus Blackie tested negative and were vaccinated. The vet (a great vet!) is recommending re-testing and booster vax for both Horus Blackie. I see and understand her point of view, but I'm not sure about re-testing, and I'm on the fence about the vaccine. The reason I'm thinking of not re-testing is that I wouldn't do anything different since all the cats are healthy and on a very good diet. All the cats were already adults when introduced to each other, and lived together for over a year before Onyx's diagnosis. The vet feels that since the three cats are not separated, the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks (only 2% of cats who receive the FeLV vaccine develop fibrosarcoma at the vaccination site). However, I'm not sure if re-vaccinating is a good idea if either or both are now positive, which is where I'm stuck. They are both going to the vet on Monday morning for check ups and rabies vaccinations. Any advice? What would you do? Thanks, Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?
The only thing I know for sure is kittens born with FelV usually throw the virus off or die during their first year. Cats who are exposed to FelV when older seem to be much more resistant to the virus. As you said, there really are no statistics to go by as each situation is different. On 01-26, Jane Lyons wrote: Hi Avia I've heard about the five year mark and I've also heard the three year obstacle and I've learned from my cat that there are no guarantees for any of us. When I got my cat she was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, stomatitis, diarrhea...you name it). I have had her for three years and she has recovered from everything with the exception of stomatitis. She is roughly four years old and I sweated getting her past the three year mark and of course I am trying to ignore the 'five year theory' because I think we can all become victims of statistics and other people's consideration. I am coping by doing everything I can to help her live as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. She is doing fine. I'm the one who needs to do the work. Ignore the woman from the rescue group. Every FeLV kittten has its own path. Just keep loving them. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice please?
I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five years, so while I'm lucky she's survived this long, I shouldn't expect Onyx to be around a whole lot longer. Which brings me to the advice I would like: What are the chances of a cat who is FeLV+ from birth living past 5? I have been reading all the posts about LCTI, but I am not clear on whether you start when they develop symptoms or while they are still healthy. Does anyone here know if recurrent FLUTD is commonly seen in FeLV+ cats? Horus tested negative and was vaccinated, but he's lost two pounds in the last month (his appetite seems fine) and is in the middle of his third bout of FLUTD in as many months - he's also asthmatic. I am in panic mode right now. Should I re-test him early? Any advice anyone here can give me would be very much appreciated. Avia Rauscher ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?
I've never heard about 5 years being a time marker for FELV cats. I've heard that kittens born with it will tend to have more trouble living long lives than cats/kittens that acquire it after birth. All just stuff I've heard, of course, no proof. I have had several FELV cats die at around 2.5 to 3 years of age. I have 3 FELV cats that are older than 3 years old now, not sure when they got it. But one of them is 12-13 years old. At one point, I felt like daily interferon was a real help to young FELV cats less than 3 years old. But then it seemed like if the schedule changed - doses had to be missed, etc - it was a big problem. So now nobody's on interferon alpha, and partly because I'm so busy. But everybody's doing well. The last death I had was Oliver, who was 12-13-14 that age range. I don't recall losing any FELV cats at 5 years of age, and have had quite a few FELV cats. Now there are different types of FELV virus, so maybe that plays into it. Hope this helps in some way. Gloria --- Original Message --- From: Avia Rauscher[mailto:a...@rauscher.com] Sent: 1/26/2010 1:15:14 PM To : felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc : Subject : RE: [Felvtalk] Advice please? I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five years, so while I'm lucky she's survived this long, I shouldn't expect Onyx to be around a whole lot longer. Which brings me to the advice I would like: What are the chances of a cat who is FeLV+ from birth living past 5? I have been reading all the posts about LCTI, but I am not clear on whether you start when they develop symptoms or while they are still healthy. Does anyone here know if recurrent FLUTD is commonly seen in FeLV+ cats? Horus tested negative and was vaccinated, but he's lost two pounds in the last month (his appetite seems fine) and is in the middle of his third bout of FLUTD in as many months - he's also asthmatic. I am in panic mode right now. Should I re-test him early? Any advice anyone here can give me would be very much appreciated. Avia Rauscher ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?
Hi Avia I've heard about the five year mark and I've also heard the three year obstacle and I've learned from my cat that there are no guarantees for any of us. When I got my cat she was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, stomatitis, diarrhea...you name it). I have had her for three years and she has recovered from everything with the exception of stomatitis. She is roughly four years old and I sweated getting her past the three year mark and of course I am trying to ignore the 'five year theory' because I think we can all become victims of statistics and other people's consideration. I am coping by doing everything I can to help her live as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. She is doing fine. I'm the one who needs to do the work. Ignore the woman from the rescue group. Every FeLV kittten has its own path. Just keep loving them. Jane On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote: I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five years, so while I'm lucky she's survived this long, I shouldn't expect Onyx to be around a whole lot longer. Which brings me to the advice I would like: What are the chances of a cat who is FeLV+ from birth living past 5? I have been reading all the posts about LCTI, but I am not clear on whether you start when they develop symptoms or while they are still healthy. Does anyone here know if recurrent FLUTD is commonly seen in FeLV+ cats? Horus tested negative and was vaccinated, but he's lost two pounds in the last month (his appetite seems fine) and is in the middle of his third bout of FLUTD in as many months - he's also asthmatic. I am in panic mode right now. Should I re-test him early? Any advice anyone here can give me would be very much appreciated. Avia Rauscher ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please throw away the calendar and enjoy the time you have together. Dixie was full grown and then some when she came into my life. Someone had spayed her. She had wonderful manners. She was thrown away for reasons unknown and showed up at my Mom's. Eventually I decided she should be a farm cat and took her to Middletown Animal Clinic in Louisville to have her spayed (I didn't know this had already been done). That is when I found out about FeLV. She spent over three years with me and had everything I could give her. I would not trade a second with this wonderful little lady for anything. I have no way of knowing how old she wasmaybe 2-4 years old--when she came into my life. She had the best care from MAC and a holistic vet, Betty Boswell and was healthy until a few days before she left this world. Love your little ones and let them love you. There are no promises...Dixie left quickly and quietly and in the presence of her Person with whom she felt safest. A month after she left, she sent me a little kitten from the same pint thicket she came from and two weeks later she sent me another one (take two, they are small---and they really were). Both boys were about a pound and both had a hawk family who lived in the same pine thicket anxious to invite them to dinner---as an appetizer. Love them. They have their path as do you. It may be long or short but enjoy the journey you share. You will not regret it.as one who loves those who normally have a shorter road than we do, you may grieve but you will rejoice in the love you experience.Who knows, you may leave this world before the little ones. On Jan 26, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Hi Avia I've heard about the five year mark and I've also heard the three year obstacle and I've learned from my cat that there are no guarantees for any of us. When I got my cat she was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, stomatitis, diarrhea...you name it). I have had her for three years and she has recovered from everything with the exception of stomatitis. She is roughly four years old and I sweated getting her past the three year mark and of course I am trying to ignore the 'five year theory' because I think we can all become victims of statistics and other people's consideration. I am coping by doing everything I can to help her live as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. She is doing fine. I'm the one who needs to do the work. Ignore the woman from the rescue group. Every FeLV kittten has its own path. Just keep loving them. Jane On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote: I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I have a non-positive (just a regular old cat- except that he was my first foster and has literally helped foster every cat I have taken in!) that is missing a little tooth on his bottom jaw and another is barely hanging on. It's always been like that- he's only 2. Don't know when he lost it. But he was 2 months when I acquired him as a very sickly, kill animal shelter rescue brought into a no kill rescue, with exposure to everything probably. Started his life on antibiotics and fighting a recurring upper respiratory infection. I eventually fostered and lost 3 other kittens rescued along with him that separately all succumbed to FIP (1 to wet, 2 to dry). Anyway, my boy has no gum disease whatsoever but his vet said it's highly likely he could lose all teeth before middle age. Just due to a rough start in life. It seems to make sense that- altho he's a healthy horse now- when his milk teeth were falling out and being replaced with his adult teeth- he was at his sickest, not getting nutrition, etc., so those adult teeth were not being formed in the best possible circumstances. My vet said this is actually more common than you would think in cats who didn't get adequate COLOSTRUM from their mother through nursing, if any at all :( (this would also be why I love my vet so much-- b/c he talks about colostrum and how important it is!). And remember that all cats have milk teeth they lose naturally and most actually swallow them-- which is totally fine and natural. Altho I did find one of my newest kitten's milk canine on the bed and I felt like I had found a buried treasure! After having so many cats in my life-- kittens, fosters, geriatrics!, this was the first tooth I ever actually found Anyway, I guess my point is that the process of cats losing their teeth for whatever reason, whether it's milk teeth, or due to gingivitis, if it's not actually affecting the cat as far as eating and what not, it's a much more natural process that occurs more than we know (geriatrics regularly lose teeth even if you've kept up with their regular teeth cleaning). It's a much more natural process than us losing our teeth! And with a positive cat, truly the main thing is to minimize their stress-- it's the golden rule of having a positive. So assuming no detrimental effects of letting nature take it's course, I would advocate leaving the teeth alone (of course, following vet's advice for cleaning and treating an active infection). I personally would avoid having a positive's teeth pulled as much as possible. As even avoiding anesthetic if you can in a positive is important. The process of losing teeth for cats is not a big event like for us so I don't think we should do anything to turn it into a stressful event for them! That's my two cents. Caroline Kaufmann Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:12:48 -0500 From: dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Consider using PetzLife Brush Away or an additive to the cat's water that helps with teeth too since the cat has a history of dental problems. Hi Caroline. Good to know you are still around. On Nov 20, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a non-positive (just a regular old cat- except that he was my first foster and has literally helped foster every cat I have taken in!) that is missing a little tooth on his bottom jaw and another is barely hanging on. It's always been like that- he's only 2. Don't know when he lost it. But he was 2 months when I acquired him as a very sickly, kill animal shelter rescue brought into a no kill rescue, with exposure to everything probably. Started his life on antibiotics and fighting a recurring upper respiratory infection. I eventually fostered and lost 3 other kittens rescued along with him that separately all succumbed to FIP (1 to wet, 2 to dry). Anyway, my boy has no gum disease whatsoever but his vet said it's highly likely he could lose all teeth before middle age. Just due to a rough start in life. It seems to make sense that- altho he's a healthy horse now- when his milk teeth were falling out and being replaced with his adult teeth- he was at his sickest, not getting nutrition, etc., so those adult teeth were not being formed in the best possible circumstances. My vet said this is actually more common than you would think in cats who didn't get adequate COLOSTRUM from their mother through nursing, if any at all :( (this would also be why I love my vet so much-- b/c he talks about colostrum and how important it is!). And remember that all cats have milk teeth they lose naturally and most actually swallow them-- which is totally fine and natural. Altho I did find one of my newest kitten's milk canine on the bed and I felt like I had found a buried treasure! After having so many cats in my life-- kittens, fosters, geriatrics!, this was the first tooth I ever actually found Anyway, I guess my point is that the process of cats losing their teeth for whatever reason, whether it's milk teeth, or due to gingivitis, if it's not actually affecting the cat as far as eating and what not, it's a much more natural process that occurs more than we know (geriatrics regularly lose teeth even if you've kept up with their regular teeth cleaning). It's a much more natural process than us losing our teeth! And with a positive cat, truly the main thing is to minimize their stress-- it's the golden rule of having a positive. So assuming no detrimental effects of letting nature take it's course, I would advocate leaving the teeth alone (of course, following vet's advice for cleaning and treating an active infection). I personally would avoid having a positive's teeth pulled as much as possible. As even avoiding anesthetic if you can in a positive is important. The process of losing teeth for cats is not a big event like for us so I don't think we should do anything to turn it into a stressful event for them! That's my two cents. Caroline Kaufmann Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:12:48 -0500 From: dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727
[Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I would get her to a vet as soon as possible to make sure there isn't an infection Abscessed teeth can be a serious issue. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Had this recently with one of mine. Her canine tooth was sticking straight out also, it looked horrible, but took her to vet, person who does dentals there easily removed the tooth. Came right out in one second, by had, no big deal! From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 5:47:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I would get her to a vet as soon as possible to make sure there isn't an infection Abscessed teeth can be a serious issue. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty
Thanks for the advice MC. --- On Tue, 4/7/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:07 PM my cats, negative or positive, like a slurry of yogurt AND pumpkin. winn feline foundation just sent out something about early research on the efficacy of probiotics for cats--shows what could be expected, that they DO seem to favorably impact the immune system, but accurate dosages and compounds not yet ascertained. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty
my cats, negative or positive, like a slurry of yogurt AND pumpkin. winn feline foundation just sent out something about early research on the efficacy of probiotics for cats--shows what could be expected, that they DO seem to favorably impact the immune system, but accurate dosages and compounds not yet ascertained. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty
Same here, none of mine have chronic diarrhea. However, I had a double positive (FELV,FIV) who had chronic diarrhea - I stabilized him on home made food, then commercial lamb food. He live another year or so after he came to me. Gloria On Apr 3, 2009, at 3:44 PM, gary wrote: Interesting, I have 10 FeLV+ cats and none have chronic diarrhea. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maria Ianiro Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty Diarrhea is a chronic symptom of felv, so its possible he will have it every now and then. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty
Wow, paregoric. Have to remember that. Thanks for the info - Gloria On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: This probably seems pretty obvious but--my Mandy (Felv) had diarrhea for months, all the time. After trying many things, my vet said use paregoric and the diarrhea stopped like magic and has not returned. - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty Debbie and Heather, Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? Again thanks for the advice ladies. Tanya Warner --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My cat had similar issues when we first got him. Get a fecal exam done. Bernie had worms when we found out he was felv+, after he was on meds for that, his diarrhea was better but not totally gone. We did interferon and prescription canned food. That helped. I am now back on dry food, but I still do interferon once a day. He rarely has diarrhea now, but it took a good 3 months to get him back to normal. Diarrhea is a chronic symptom of felv, so its possible he will have it every now and then. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Interesting, I have 10 FeLV+ cats and none have chronic diarrhea. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maria Ianiro Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty Diarrhea is a chronic symptom of felv, so its possible he will have it every now and then. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Debbie and Heather, Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? Again thanks for the advice ladies. Tanya Warner --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This probably seems pretty obvious but--my Mandy (Felv) had diarrhea for months, all the time. After trying many things, my vet said use paregoric and the diarrhea stopped like magic and has not returned. - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty Debbie and Heather, Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? Again thanks for the advice ladies. Tanya Warner --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You can get it on the internetyou can also get Fast Track and/or other probiotics. At least one person mentioned yogurt--look for active cultures. Canned pumpkin, metimuscil (unflavored) and psyllium have helped my guys and girls, both those who have left and the kittens who are here. I know adding fiber seems counter productive but it really works. On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, TANYA NOE wrote: Debbie and Heather, Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? Again thanks for the advice ladies. Tanya Warner --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty
I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Pumpkin, not the pie filling but plain canned pumpkin, may help. It helps when the kittens have problems. On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Heather wrote: Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have had pretty good success with yogurt, I have a new kitten (adoption failure, long story) that had very loose stool, I give him about a teaspoon of plain all natural yogurt daily. He loves it and his stools are almost perfect. I stopped giving it to him for a few days and the loose stools came back, firmed up right after I started him on it again. good luck, and thanks for loving this little one! Laura --- On Thu, 4/2/09, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:05 AM I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
