[Felvtalk] FW: Kit

[Amani Oakley]

I would hold off on the spaying for now. She is in a vulnerable state and 
doesn’t need the additional stress of surgery (and blood loss). I suspect that 
the lymph nodes will start going down as she gets on top of the infection. I’m 
not sure about testing for Haemobartonella but I guess if it were me, I would 
do it just in case, so at least I know what I am up against. Haemobartonella is 
often present with FeLV and can exacerbate the symptoms or even make a 
previously asymptomatic cat, symptomatic. It also worsens anemia, lethargy and 
lack of appetite and can be treated with antibiotics, so if it is present, why 
not deal with it. It would probably assist in improving the clinical picture. 
On the other hand, when I treated Zander for FeLV, I had him on doxycycline 
anyway, so that is the treatment for Haemobartonella, so even if you don’t 
test, if you have your cat on something which will address it if it is there, 
then maybe you don’t need the actual lab test to be run.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Nancy 
Wizner
Sent: December-01-15 4:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

Yes you have helped a ton!   Thank you.  I think question # 4 is should she be 
tested for hemobart even though she is not infested?  I did put the Advantage 
II on a couple days ago.   Oh and one more question-  she has an appt on the 
14th to be spayed. Should I cancell this?  Also will ask vet on Saturday.  Her 
lymph nodes are swollen.

Thank you!  Nancy

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Hi Nancy

I will answer the questions I can.


1. You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I 
have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the 
Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, 
white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the 
Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its 
effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the 
virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot 
differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red 
cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type 
derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal 
glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but 
the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells 
that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that 
the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough 
circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by 
actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of 
those problems with the WInstrol.

2. No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies 
against the medication.

3. Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If 
it is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never 
found it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape 
and you need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, 
significantly reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I 
would start with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either 
with improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other 
cell line counts.

4. I am not sure if there is a question here.

5. I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any 
event.

6. Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain 
worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t 
checked into that recently).

7. A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the stuff 
that comes with the temperature, like loss of appetite and lethargy, which you 
have to watch for.

I hope some of this helps.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 7:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

Lance, a friend told me about this test.  Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet 
take it as it will tell what stage she is in.  Takes about 10 days to get 
results.  Maybe it goes by another name?  Ironically, the vet took it on her 
own.  I never had to ask for it.  I have messaged my friend to find out more.

Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of FELINE 
CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE  (all caps) on Facebook.  I have almost 1, 670 members.  
I can certainly help out here with those whose 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Kit

[gidget43]

Thank you Amani.  I will discuss this with the vet on Saturday.  


Nancy



-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2015 1:39 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit



 
I would hold off on the spaying for now. She is in a vulnerable state and 
doesn’t need the additional stress of surgery (and blood loss). I suspect that 
the lymph nodes will start going down as she gets on top of the infection. I’m 
not sure about testing for Haemobartonella but I guess if it were me, I would 
do it just in case, so at least I know what I am up against. Haemobartonella is 
often present with FeLV and can exacerbate the symptoms or even make a 
previously asymptomatic cat, symptomatic. It also worsens anemia, lethargy and 
lack of appetite and can be treated with antibiotics, so if it is present, why 
not deal with it. It would probably assist in improving the clinical picture. 
On the other hand, when I treated Zander for FeLV, I had him on doxycycline 
anyway, so that is the treatment for Haemobartonella, so even if you don’t 
test, if you have your cat on something which will address it if it is there, 
then maybe you don’t need the actual lab test to be run.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Nancy 
Wizner
Sent: December-01-15 4:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

 

Yes you have helped a ton!   Thank you.  I think question # 4 is should she be 
tested for hemobart even though she is not infested?  I did put the Advantage 
II on a couple days ago.   Oh and one more question-  she has an appt on the 
14th to be spayed. Should I cancell this?  Also will ask vet on Saturday.  Her 
lymph nodes are swollen. 

 

Thank you!  Nancy

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:


Hi Nancy
 
I will answer the questions I can.
 
1.You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I 
have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the 
Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, 
white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the 
Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its 
effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the 
virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot 
differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red 
cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type 
derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal 
glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but 
the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells 
that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that 
the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough 
circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by 
actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of 
those problems with the WInstrol.
2.No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies 
against the medication.
3.Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If it 
is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never found 
it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape and you 
need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, significantly 
reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I would start 
with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either with 
improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other cell 
line counts.
4.I am not sure if there is a question here.
5.I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any event.
6.Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain 
worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t 
checked into that recently).
7.A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the stuff 
that comes with the temperature, like loss of appetite and lethargy, which you 
have to watch for.
 
I hope some of this helps.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 7:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
 
Lance, a friend told me about this test.  Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet 
take it as it will tell what stage she is in.  Takes about 10 days to get 
results.  Maybe it goes by another name?  Ironically, the vet took it on her 
own.  I never had to ask for it.  I have messaged my friend to find out more. 

 

Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Kit

[Margo]

I'd also suggest you hold off on the spay for now, stress is your biggest enemy. Blood loss in a cat spay is almost non-existent, but the stress may cause a relapse. The only test for "hemobart" seems to be a PCR. I can't get onto the website, but I think you said she's on Orbax, which is a quinolone, and should be effective against it as well. It does need to be given for three weeks (I do six) so check with your Vet. no need to test if you're already treating :)HTH,Margo-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Sent: Dec 1, 2015 1:28 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit





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I would hold off on the spaying for now. She is in a vulnerable state and doesn’t need the additional stress of surgery (and blood loss). I suspect that the lymph
 nodes will start going down as she gets on top of the infection. I’m not sure about testing for Haemobartonella but I guess if it were me, I would do it just in case, so at least I know what I am up against. Haemobartonella is often present with FeLV and can
 exacerbate the symptoms or even make a previously asymptomatic cat, symptomatic. It also worsens anemia, lethargy and lack of appetite and can be treated with antibiotics, so if it is present, why not deal with it. It would probably assist in improving the
 clinical picture. On the other hand, when I treated Zander for FeLV, I had him on doxycycline anyway, so that is the treatment for Haemobartonella, so even if you don’t test, if you have your cat on something which will address it if it is there, then maybe
 you don’t need the actual lab test to be run.
 
Amani
 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Nancy Wizner
Sent: December-01-15 4:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit


 

Yes you have helped a ton!   Thank you.  I think question # 4 is should she be tested for hemobart even though she is not infested?  I did put the Advantage II on a couple days ago.   Oh and one more question-  she has an appt on the 14th
 to be spayed. Should I cancell this?  Also will ask vet on Saturday.  Her lymph nodes are swollen. 


 


Thank you!  Nancy

Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:



Hi Nancy
 
I will answer the questions I can.
 
1.
<zzz![endif]>You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the Winstrol acts
 on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its effect on the bone marrow, making it
 hypocellular. It is theorized that the virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type
 derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells that make the red cells.
 The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t
 get any of those problems with the WInstrol.
2.
<zzz![endif]>No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies against the medication.
3.
<zzz![endif]>Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If it is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never found it
 necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape and you need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, significantly reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I would start with 2 mg 2 times a day until
 you start getting a response, either with improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other cell line counts.
4.
<zzz![endif]>I am not sure if there is a question here.

5.
<zzz![endif]>I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any event.
6.
<zzz![endif]>Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t checked
 into that recently).
7.
<zzz![endif]>A slight temperature 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Kit

[gidget43]

Thank you Margo.  I thought it would not be a good idea, and will cancel the 
appointment. Also will discuss the the length of time for the Orbax.  


Nancy




-Original Message-
From: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2015 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit



I'd also suggest you hold off on the spay for now, stress is your biggest 
enemy. Blood loss in a cat spay is almost non-existent, but the stress may 
cause a relapse. 

The only test for "hemobart" seems to be a PCR. I can't get onto the website, 
but I think you said she's on Orbax, which is a quinolone, and should be 
effective against it as well. It does need to be given for three weeks (I do 
six) so check with your Vet. no need to test if you're already treating :)

HTH,

Margo


-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: Dec 1, 2015 1:28 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit


 
I would hold off on the spaying for now. She is in a vulnerable state and 
doesn’t need the additional stress of surgery (and blood loss). I suspect that 
the lymph nodes will start going down as she gets on top of the infection. I’m 
not sure about testing for Haemobartonella but I guess if it were me, I would 
do it just in case, so at least I know what I am up against. Haemobartonella is 
often present with FeLV and can exacerbate the symptoms or even make a 
previously asymptomatic cat, symptomatic. It also worsens anemia, lethargy and 
lack of appetite and can be treated with antibiotics, so if it is present, why 
not deal with it. It would probably assist in improving the clinical picture. 
On the other hand, when I treated Zander for FeLV, I had him on doxycycline 
anyway, so that is the treatment for Haemobartonella, so even if you don’t 
test, if you have your cat on something which will address it if it is there, 
then maybe you don’t need the actual lab test to be run.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Nancy 
Wizner
Sent: December-01-15 4:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

 

Yes you have helped a ton!   Thank you.  I think question # 4 is should she be 
tested for hemobart even though she is not infested?  I did put the Advantage 
II on a couple days ago.   Oh and one more question-  she has an appt on the 
14th to be spayed. Should I cancell this?  Also will ask vet on Saturday.  Her 
lymph nodes are swollen. 

 

Thank you!  Nancy

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:


Hi Nancy
 
I will answer the questions I can.
 
1.You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I 
have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the 
Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, 
white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the 
Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its 
effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the 
virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot 
differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red 
cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type 
derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal 
glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but 
the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells 
that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that 
the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough 
circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by 
actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of 
those problems with the WInstrol.
2.No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies 
against the medication.
3.Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If it 
is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never found 
it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape and you 
need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, significantly 
reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I would start 
with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either with 
improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other cell 
line counts.
4.I am not sure if there is a question here.
5.I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any event.
6.Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain 
worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t 
checked into that recently).
7.A slight temperature