Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV transmission

[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you Robert,
I’m preparing the cat’s room with his own blankets, toys,
Tower, and will clean everything well after! I’m not worrying about it like 
before,
Because you all sent me back very good feedback and ideas! I really appreciate 
it!

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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 3:21 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> to bolster what Amani wrote. Felv appears to be a minor risk for adult cats 
> who did not get the disease from the queen at birth. It is a MAJOR risk for 
> kittens born with the disease who still show it at 6 months. I wouldnt worry 
> terribly about adults getting it from a kittenwould definitely worry 
> abiut exposing kittens to a disease carrying adult OR kittenalso Caution 
> with FIV adults
> 
> 
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> to bolster what Amani wrote. Felv appears to be a minor risk for adult cats 
> who did not get the disease from the queen at birth. It is a MAJOR risk for 
> kittens born with the disease who still show it at 6 months. I wouldnt worry 
> terribly about adults getting it from a kittenwould definitely worry 
> abiut exposing kittens to a disease carrying adult OR kittenalso Caution 
> with FIV adults
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>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
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>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection 
>>> would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case 
>>> event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been 
>>> fairly pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) 
>>> and even though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the 
>>> house. I have since read repeatedly that it really isn?t that infectious, 
>>> especially with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
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>>> Theresa O'Rourke
>>> Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
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>>> I have three cats, and take care of other people?s cats.
>>> My daughter?s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
>>> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
>>> the cat goes back home?  It?s because I take care of other  friend?s cats 
>>> also and want to know if they can catch The disease.
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[Felvtalk] FeLV transmission

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

to bolster what Amani wrote. Felv appears to be a minor risk for adult 
cats who did not get the disease from the queen at birth. It is a MAJOR 
risk for kittens born with the disease who still show it at 6 months. I 
wouldnt worry terribly about adults getting it from a kittenwould 
definitely worry abiut exposing kittens to a disease carrying adult OR 
kittenalso Caution with FIV adults



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Thank you!

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On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
(it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
repeatedly that it really isn?t that infectious, especially with 
adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.


Amani

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Of Theresa O'Rourke

Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people?s cats.
My daughter?s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a 
separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean 
the room, after the cat goes back home?  It?s because I take care of 
other  friend?s cats also and want to know if they can catch The 
disease.

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:28:57 -0500
From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ?friendly? 
contact.  Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of 
time.
The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really 
just cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat 
leaves should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, 
etc. from water or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side.


You might want to have different shoes on too?  and clothes, if you 
will be playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on 
you?but that might be going overboard.  Definitely wash hands after 
handling...


Shelley


On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote:

My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact 
with blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted 
primarily through a bite.

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From: Theresa O'Rourke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people?s cats.
My daughter?s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a 
separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean 
the room, after the cat goes back home?  It?s because I take care of 
other  friend?s cats also and want to know if they can catch

The disease.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[Bonnie Hogue]

That's heart breaking.
But it is good to know you cared for him and he had some love and joy in his
life.
~B.

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

What a wonderful thought.  Dixie was very lucky to meet you.  I blamed
myself for the first one I lost.  He was a beautiful, fluffy pale tiger who
never liked to have his rear touched.  We thought he had kidney stones and
the last time he went to the vet, he kept hm over night and stayed up with
him until midnight.  He appeared to be okay , but the next morning he was
dead.  The vet did an autopsy because he couldn't understand what he had
done wrong.  He discovered adhesions everywhere.  The kind that happen when
a cat is kicked very hard.  They had closed off the urethra.  Atleast he had
1 year of love and good care.  He always liked my father's sweet rolls and
would pat his knee, asking for a bite.  When that did not work, he would
slap hard and meow very loud.  Father thought that was funny and then would
give him a bite.  This from someone who did not like cats.  For a long time,
I blamed myself for not knowing wha was wrong, but I finaly realized that he
had hidden his!
  pain from me.  We just have to do the best we can with what we know and
what we can do.  At least Fluffy had 1 year of sweet rolls and lots of love
and that is the best we can do for anyone.

 Dixie was happy and healthy until a few days before she left this 
 earth--on her own. I can't tell you about a lot of the questions you 
 raise.  I can just tell you that Dixie came in from a pine thicket 
 behind my mother's.  Apparently she had been dumped or got lost---she 
 had been spayed and was not afraid of people.  I got the sense that 
 she had been an outside cat who was always looking in and wondering 
 what life was like inside.  I took her to Louisville to my very 
 special vets at Middletown Animal Clinic to be spayed (not obvious 
 that she had already had surgery).  Dr. Bishop called with the results 
 of a FELV+ test and well, death came off the table and Dixie spent 
 the rest of her life with me.  We slept in my mother's garage for a 
 while (don't go there) then she became a trailer cat then a cat with 
 two houses.  She had EVERYTHING.  Thanks to the vets at MAC and my 
 holistic vet, Betty Boswell, Dixie was cared for and was able to leave 
 this world on her own termscertainly not mine since my heart 
 still breaks and it has been 3 years...but she left cared for.  She
 had some gingivitis when she was first vetted but very little else.   
 She went to Betty's and was on supplements, the best food I could get 
 and she would eat, etc.  Do not kick yourself.  Sometimes I do when I 
 wonder if I could have done something to have postponed Dixie's death 
 (that is all we do for any being--we are all dying).  I can tell you 
 that, had anything been obvious, she would have been back in 
 Louisville a lot earlier than she was.
 
 I am very consious of the expenses involved in any pet care (just got 
 through paying 1 K thanks to a tick who infected a feral with a virus 
 the last of Decemeber when ticks are supposed to be dead) and you 
 should never kick yourself over this.  That was not an issue with 
 Dixie.  It was just time for her to leave.and break my heart.
 
 FYI:  A month after Dixie left she sent a tiny kitten from the same 
 pine thicket to keep me busy.  Two weeks later she decided I wasn't 
 busy enough and that the 1st kitten needed a brother.  The family of 5 
 hawks was deprived of tiny snacks.
 
 All of this is to say, you do the best you can with the nowledge and 
 resouces you have and with an honest heart.  Sometimes things work 
 wonderfully (both kittens are FELV- and extremely healthy, most of the 
 time happy 3 year old cats) and sometimes you have the honor of 
 carrying for a little one for a short timeand having your heart 
 break.  It is worth it to you and to the wonderful cats you love.
 On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell wrote:
 
  I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so 
  I'm posting a new message.
 
  Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty 
  for not having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I 
  have many cats and the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to 
  do them all at once.
 
  Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of 
  my cats have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted 
  Tulo, and they all tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an 
  asymptomatic carrier, will the newly infected cat also be 
  asymptomatic?
 
  My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of 
  infection.
  I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[dlgegg]

What a wonderful thought.  Dixie was very lucky to meet you.  I blamed myself 
for the first one I lost.  He was a beautiful, fluffy pale tiger who never 
liked to have his rear touched.  We thought he had kidney stones and the last 
time he went to the vet, he kept hm over night and stayed up with him until 
midnight.  He appeared to be okay , but the next morning he was dead.  The vet 
did an autopsy because he couldn't understand what he had done wrong.  He 
discovered adhesions everywhere.  The kind that happen when a cat is kicked 
very hard.  They had closed off the urethra.  Atleast he had 1 year of love and 
good care.  He always liked my father's sweet rolls and would pat his knee, 
asking for a bite.  When that did not work, he would slap hard and meow very 
loud.  Father thought that was funny and then would give him a bite.  This from 
someone who did not like cats.  For a long time, I blamed myself for not 
knowing wha was wrong, but I finaly realized that he had hidden his pain from 
me.  We just have to do the best we can with what we know and what we can do.  
At least Fluffy had 1 year of sweet rolls and lots of love and that is the best 
we can do for anyone.

 Dixie was happy and healthy until a few days before she left this  
 earth--on her own. I can't tell you about a lot of the questions you  
 raise.  I can just tell you that Dixie came in from a pine thicket  
 behind my mother's.  Apparently she had been dumped or got lost---she  
 had been spayed and was not afraid of people.  I got the sense that  
 she had been an outside cat who was always looking in and wondering  
 what life was like inside.  I took her to Louisville to my very  
 special vets at Middletown Animal Clinic to be spayed (not obvious  
 that she had already had surgery).  Dr. Bishop called with the results  
 of a FELV+ test and well, death came off the table and Dixie spent  
 the rest of her life with me.  We slept in my mother's garage for a  
 while (don't go there) then she became a trailer cat then a cat with  
 two houses.  She had EVERYTHING.  Thanks to the vets at MAC and my  
 holistic vet, Betty Boswell, Dixie was cared for and was able to leave  
 this world on her own termscertainly not mine since my heart  
 still breaks and it has been 3 years...but she left cared for.  She  
 had some gingivitis when she was first vetted but very little else.   
 She went to Betty's and was on supplements, the best food I could get  
 and she would eat, etc.  Do not kick yourself.  Sometimes I do when I  
 wonder if I could have done something to have postponed Dixie's death  
 (that is all we do for any being--we are all dying).  I can tell you  
 that, had anything been obvious, she would have been back in  
 Louisville a lot earlier than she was.
 
 I am very consious of the expenses involved in any pet care (just got  
 through paying 1 K thanks to a tick who infected a feral with a virus  
 the last of Decemeber when ticks are supposed to be dead) and you  
 should never kick yourself over this.  That was not an issue with  
 Dixie.  It was just time for her to leave.and break my heart.
 
 FYI:  A month after Dixie left she sent a tiny kitten from the same  
 pine thicket to keep me busy.  Two weeks later she decided I wasn't  
 busy enough and that the 1st kitten needed a brother.  The family of 5  
 hawks was deprived of tiny snacks.
 
 All of this is to say, you do the best you can with the nowledge and  
 resouces you have and with an honest heart.  Sometimes things work  
 wonderfully (both kittens are FELV- and extremely healthy, most of the  
 time happy 3 year old cats) and sometimes you have the honor of  
 carrying for a little one for a short timeand having your heart  
 break.  It is worth it to you and to the wonderful cats you love.
 On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell wrote:
 
  I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
  posting a new message.
 
  Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty  
  for not
  having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many  
  cats and
  the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.
 
  Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of  
  my cats
  have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and  
  they all
  tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier,  
  will the
  newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?
 
  My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of  
  infection.
  I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to  
  very sick
  and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have  
  shown signs
  of illness.
  Debbie
 
 
  -- 
  *You may not change the world by saving one animal, but to that  
  animal it
  means the whole world and eventually, saving animals will change the  
  world.*
  

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission

[Val Green]

Debbie, 

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tulo.  I know he had a good life in his 3-1/2 
years with you. Thank you for making a difference in the lives of these 
otherwise neglected kitties. 

I was in a similar situation recently when I took in a street cat last year, a 
big black beautiful boy whom I named Chat Noir (French translation: Black 
Cat). I had him neutered and took him into my home  as an indoor/outdoor cat.  
At the time I had 4 indoor-only cats and was trying to transition Chat Noir to 
an indoor-only cat. I hadn't had him FeLV tested when I took him in (having 
never had any experience with FeLV).   He was fine and apparently healthy for 
about 6 months until I noticed the lymph glands in his neck were very swollen. 
He tested a strong positive for FeLV and it wasn't but a week before the vet 
concurred that he should be euthanized. I was heart-broken but a difficult  
valuable lesson was learned. I had all the rest of my cats tested ($$) and all 
came back negative. However, my vet suggested having them re-tested in 6 
months. So far they seem to be ok (knock on wood). 

I hope this helpsas for me, I can only watch and be alert for any symptoms 
that may appear in any of the others. 

Valerie




On May 19, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yesterday my cat Tulo was euthanized.  He'd been sick for a few days.
 Bloodwork showed severe anemia and FeLV+.  I took Tulo in as an abandoned
 and abused kitten, approx age 3 mos.  I didn't have him tested because he
 wasn't sick, and in fact the illness this week is the first time he's been
 sick in the 3-1/2 years I've had him.
 
 I have several other cats.  All except one were tested when I adopted them.
 The untested cat is Dexter, a neutered adult male who has been in perfect
 health from the day I found him dumped in the woods.  I'm having him tested
 on Monday, and if he is positive, I will never know if Tulo infected Dexter
 or vice versa.  My vet and I decided not to test any of the other cats
 besides Dexter.  None of them are sick, and if anyone does get sick, I'll
 have them tested at that time, since their FeLV status would affect the
 treatment decision.
 
 I've reviewed the symptoms of FeLV and none of my cats have those symptoms,
 but neither did Tulo until a few days before his death.
 This is my question:  One of my cats had a bad URI last fall and tested
 negative at that time.  Two others tested negative after I adopted Tulo but
 before I adopted Dexter.  If a healthy cat lives with an FeLV cat for months
 to years, tests negative, and continues to live with a FeLV cat, is the
 healthy cat still at risk of being infected?
 
 Thanks for your help,
 Debbie
 
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[Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[Debbie Bendell]

I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
posting a new message.

Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not
having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many cats and
the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.

Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of my cats
have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all
tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will the
newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?

My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of infection.
I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick
and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown signs
of illness.
Debbie


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[Val Green]

Debbie,

When I first brought Chat Noir into our group he appeared perfectly healthy. It 
wasn't until he suddenly developed swollen lymph glands that he was diagnosed 
as FeLV positive. I figure that he'd had the virus for a while and then it 
suddenly just became active and it acted VERY quickly.  

It sounds like you've done some research on symptoms so just keep an eye out 
for them in your other cats.  As to whether cats get notably sick when first 
infected, or if an asympomatic cat infects another one I don't know. Your vet 
is the best person to answer those questions. 

Valerie


On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
 posting a new message.
 
 Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not
 having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many cats and
 the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.
 
 Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of my cats
 have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all
 tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will the
 newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?
 
 My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of infection.
 I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick
 and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown signs
 of illness.
 Debbie
 
 
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[Val Green]

Debbie,

Some advice: Keep reading posts to this group! It has educated me a great deal 
over the last few months in addition to the solace provided by the caring 
members.

Valerie

On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
 posting a new message.
 
 Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not
 having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many cats and
 the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.
 
 Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of my cats
 have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all
 tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will the
 newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?
 
 My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of infection.
 I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick
 and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown signs
 of illness.
 Debbie
 
 
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[CATHERINE DIDONNA]

MAYBE TULO WASN'T FELV. HE could of had a heart condition,or cancer,or other 
things.

--- On Fri, 5/20/11, Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 1:49 PM


I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
posting a new message.

Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not
having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many cats and
the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.

Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of my cats
have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all
tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will the
newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?

My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of infection.
I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick
and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown signs
of illness.
Debbie


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[Lynda Wilson]

Debbie,

I feel guilty as well. What was I thinking adopting a kitten from my local 
humane society without making sure my indoor cat was protected against 
everything possible? It was really hard for me to deal with (I really beat 
myself up about it!) but as time goes by, I don't put all the blame on 
myself any longer. The HS should have told me about deadly diseases such as 
this  FIP.  This was my first experience and the first I've ever heard of 
FeLV. I know I would have had my 2 yr old indoor cat vaccinated against 
leukemia before bringing in any other cat or kitten. All I was focused on 
was giving a homeless kitten a home. I don't regret adopting him. I totally 
loved him from day one. However, I do regret not thinking of finding out if 
my cat at home needed more protection against diseases that to me were 
unknown. I've learned so much from this experience.


On another note, even though I will have him tested next month (3 mos after 
last exposure), I plan on having him tested again in Sept (6 mos after 
exposure). The reason is, it took 6 mos for it to show up in my kitten. But 
I do think his diarrhea was a sign of his leukemia, but I was told that he 
was positive for coccidia along with the rest of the litter when he was 
born. He was tested for FeLV before I had him neutered at 5 1/2 mos and not 
before that. The HS said the ELISA test was negative. He may not have been 
shedding the virus or it was too early to detect.


To answer your question, I believe every cat is different. I've read that a 
cat can show signs (enlarged lymph glands, lethargy, poor coat, less eating) 
from 3 to 10 days after exposure  and still clear the virus. I've also read 
that some cats test positive on the ELISA  28 days after exposure. My cat 
never has tested positive ( I had him tested the day my kitten was 
euthanized, 30 days after, and another 30 days after). I'm still concerned 
for him since it effects each cat somewhat differently. Just remember that a 
healthy adult cat has more of a chance of clearing the virus, than a kitten 
or an elderly cat.


I would write down all your questions/concerns and have your vet go over 
them with you. My vet did for me and it helped.


Sending positive thoughts your way!
Lynda

Hang in there Debbie! I'm here for support whenever you need it.
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Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies



I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
posting a new message.

Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not
having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many cats 
and

the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.

Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of my cats
have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all
tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will 
the

newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?

My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of 
infection.

I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick
and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown 
signs

of illness.
Debbie


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[Beth]

Cats hide illness very well. Often they have been sick for quite awhile before 
they let us know it. That's why it is so crucial to keep such a close eye on 
these guys. 
I've never heard of a cat acting sick when 1st infected. Mine usually act 
perfectly healthy for a long time.

Beth
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From: Val Green harpestry...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 2:22 PM

Debbie,

When I first brought Chat Noir into our group he appeared perfectly healthy. It 
wasn't until he suddenly developed swollen lymph glands that he was diagnosed 
as FeLV positive. I figure that he'd had the virus for a while and then it 
suddenly just became active and it acted VERY quickly.  

It sounds like you've done some research on symptoms so just keep an eye out 
for them in your other cats.  As to whether cats get notably sick when first 
infected, or if an asympomatic cat infects another one I don't know. Your vet 
is the best person to answer those questions. 

Valerie


On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
 posting a new message.
 
 Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not
 having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many cats and
 the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.
 
 Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of my cats
 have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all
 tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will the
 newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?
 
 My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of infection.
 I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick
 and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown signs
 of illness.
 Debbie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[MaiMaiPG]

Dixie was happy and healthy until a few days before she left this  
earth--on her own. I can't tell you about a lot of the questions you  
raise.  I can just tell you that Dixie came in from a pine thicket  
behind my mother's.  Apparently she had been dumped or got lost---she  
had been spayed and was not afraid of people.  I got the sense that  
she had been an outside cat who was always looking in and wondering  
what life was like inside.  I took her to Louisville to my very  
special vets at Middletown Animal Clinic to be spayed (not obvious  
that she had already had surgery).  Dr. Bishop called with the results  
of a FELV+ test and well, death came off the table and Dixie spent  
the rest of her life with me.  We slept in my mother's garage for a  
while (don't go there) then she became a trailer cat then a cat with  
two houses.  She had EVERYTHING.  Thanks to the vets at MAC and my  
holistic vet, Betty Boswell, Dixie was cared for and was able to leave  
this world on her own termscertainly not mine since my heart  
still breaks and it has been 3 years...but she left cared for.  She  
had some gingivitis when she was first vetted but very little else.   
She went to Betty's and was on supplements, the best food I could get  
and she would eat, etc.  Do not kick yourself.  Sometimes I do when I  
wonder if I could have done something to have postponed Dixie's death  
(that is all we do for any being--we are all dying).  I can tell you  
that, had anything been obvious, she would have been back in  
Louisville a lot earlier than she was.


I am very consious of the expenses involved in any pet care (just got  
through paying 1 K thanks to a tick who infected a feral with a virus  
the last of Decemeber when ticks are supposed to be dead) and you  
should never kick yourself over this.  That was not an issue with  
Dixie.  It was just time for her to leave.and break my heart.


FYI:  A month after Dixie left she sent a tiny kitten from the same  
pine thicket to keep me busy.  Two weeks later she decided I wasn't  
busy enough and that the 1st kitten needed a brother.  The family of 5  
hawks was deprived of tiny snacks.


All of this is to say, you do the best you can with the nowledge and  
resouces you have and with an honest heart.  Sometimes things work  
wonderfully (both kittens are FELV- and extremely healthy, most of the  
time happy 3 year old cats) and sometimes you have the honor of  
carrying for a little one for a short timeand having your heart  
break.  It is worth it to you and to the wonderful cats you love.

On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell wrote:


I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm
posting a new message.

Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty  
for not
having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many  
cats and

the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.

Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of  
my cats
have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and  
they all
tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier,  
will the

newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?

My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of  
infection.
I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to  
very sick
and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have  
shown signs

of illness.
Debbie


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animal it
means the whole world and eventually, saving animals will change the  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies

[MaiMaiPG]

If a cat shows illness or weakness in a colony, it stands a good  
chance of being killed.


On May 20, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Beth wrote:

Cats hide illness very well. Often they have been sick for quite  
awhile before they let us know it. That's why it is so crucial to  
keep such a close eye on these guys.
I've never heard of a cat acting sick when 1st infected. Mine  
usually act perfectly healthy for a long time.


Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

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From: Val Green harpestry...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 2:22 PM

Debbie,

When I first brought Chat Noir into our group he appeared perfectly  
healthy. It wasn't until he suddenly developed swollen lymph glands  
that he was diagnosed as FeLV positive. I figure that he'd had the  
virus for a while and then it suddenly just became active and it  
acted VERY quickly.


It sounds like you've done some research on symptoms so just keep an  
eye out for them in your other cats.  As to whether cats get notably  
sick when first infected, or if an asympomatic cat infects another  
one I don't know. Your vet is the best person to answer those  
questions.


Valerie


On May 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Debbie Bendell  
dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote:


I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so  
I'm

posting a new message.

Thanks for your responses.  I feel a little less stupid and guilty  
for not
having every cat tested before it joined my household.  I have many  
cats and

the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once.

Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected?  Three of  
my cats
have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and  
they all
tested negative.  If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier,  
will the

newly infected cat also be asymptomatic?

My cats are indoor cats.  There is no possible outside source of  
infection.
I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to  
very sick
and dead in one week.  I'm also baffled that no other cats have  
shown signs

of illness.
Debbie


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animal it
means the whole world and eventually, saving animals will change  
the world.*

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[Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission

[Debbie Bendell]

Yesterday my cat Tulo was euthanized.  He'd been sick for a few days.
Bloodwork showed severe anemia and FeLV+.  I took Tulo in as an abandoned
and abused kitten, approx age 3 mos.  I didn't have him tested because he
wasn't sick, and in fact the illness this week is the first time he's been
sick in the 3-1/2 years I've had him.

I have several other cats.  All except one were tested when I adopted them.
The untested cat is Dexter, a neutered adult male who has been in perfect
health from the day I found him dumped in the woods.  I'm having him tested
on Monday, and if he is positive, I will never know if Tulo infected Dexter
or vice versa.  My vet and I decided not to test any of the other cats
besides Dexter.  None of them are sick, and if anyone does get sick, I'll
have them tested at that time, since their FeLV status would affect the
treatment decision.

I've reviewed the symptoms of FeLV and none of my cats have those symptoms,
but neither did Tulo until a few days before his death.
This is my question:  One of my cats had a bad URI last fall and tested
negative at that time.  Two others tested negative after I adopted Tulo but
before I adopted Dexter.  If a healthy cat lives with an FeLV cat for months
to years, tests negative, and continues to live with a FeLV cat, is the
healthy cat still at risk of being infected?

Thanks for your help,
Debbie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission

[Lynda Wilson]

Debbie,

First, I am truly sorry that Tulo was sick with this horrible disease. My 
condolences to you! Cats are such special animals and have so much 
personality! It's hard to lose one, but they do stay in your heart!


I can share your pain as well. My kitten that I adopted at 3 mos had no 
symptoms (except he was born with coccidia and so was his siblings) but 
diarrhea which was finally getting under control with a special Royal Canin 
diet. One day, this past March (he was then 9 mos old), he was not his 
playful self. I took him to the hospital, the vet listened to his heart and 
said he had a murmur. Then she checked his gums and they were pure white. 
She then did blood work and the ELISA test. He had a light positive result 
but was in really bad shape. I had him put down since she said his chances 
were slim.


I have another cat, that has been tested twice (and has been negative both 
times) and will test him again next month.


I think the answer to your question is yes. However, the cats continually 
that test negative may have an immunity to the virus, therefore, they are 
able to clear it from their immune system. Sounds like you did your research 
and may have also noticed this disease is not black and white. There are 
cats that harbor the disease, some clear the disease,  some are carriers. 
You may want to test them eventually for peace of mind. I would wait 28 days 
from last exposure, then again at 90 days.


I truly wish you the best and hope that all your other kitty's are fine!

Here is a link that I found most helpful:

http://uvhberkeley.com/index.php?Page=felvFormat=print

Keep us posted!
Lynda
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission



Yesterday my cat Tulo was euthanized.  He'd been sick for a few days.
Bloodwork showed severe anemia and FeLV+.  I took Tulo in as an abandoned
and abused kitten, approx age 3 mos.  I didn't have him tested because he
wasn't sick, and in fact the illness this week is the first time he's been
sick in the 3-1/2 years I've had him.

I have several other cats.  All except one were tested when I adopted 
them.

The untested cat is Dexter, a neutered adult male who has been in perfect
health from the day I found him dumped in the woods.  I'm having him 
tested
on Monday, and if he is positive, I will never know if Tulo infected 
Dexter

or vice versa.  My vet and I decided not to test any of the other cats
besides Dexter.  None of them are sick, and if anyone does get sick, I'll
have them tested at that time, since their FeLV status would affect the
treatment decision.

I've reviewed the symptoms of FeLV and none of my cats have those 
symptoms,

but neither did Tulo until a few days before his death.
This is my question:  One of my cats had a bad URI last fall and tested
negative at that time.  Two others tested negative after I adopted Tulo 
but
before I adopted Dexter.  If a healthy cat lives with an FeLV cat for 
months

to years, tests negative, and continues to live with a FeLV cat, is the
healthy cat still at risk of being infected?

Thanks for your help,
Debbie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission

[Lynda Wilson]

One more note, Debbie

Scientist do not know exactly when cats shed the virus and at what stage 
they are most contagious. This is another reason why I recommend testing all 
your cats eventually. I don't know where you live but my vet charges $50 for 
the ELISA test (and no office visit fee). This can add up when you have 
multiple cats. Perhaps you can have them tested a little at a time? Just a 
thought!!


Again, I wish you the best of luck and I will remain hopeful for you!
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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission



Yesterday my cat Tulo was euthanized.  He'd been sick for a few days.
Bloodwork showed severe anemia and FeLV+.  I took Tulo in as an abandoned
and abused kitten, approx age 3 mos.  I didn't have him tested because he
wasn't sick, and in fact the illness this week is the first time he's been
sick in the 3-1/2 years I've had him.

I have several other cats.  All except one were tested when I adopted 
them.

The untested cat is Dexter, a neutered adult male who has been in perfect
health from the day I found him dumped in the woods.  I'm having him 
tested
on Monday, and if he is positive, I will never know if Tulo infected 
Dexter

or vice versa.  My vet and I decided not to test any of the other cats
besides Dexter.  None of them are sick, and if anyone does get sick, I'll
have them tested at that time, since their FeLV status would affect the
treatment decision.

I've reviewed the symptoms of FeLV and none of my cats have those 
symptoms,

but neither did Tulo until a few days before his death.
This is my question:  One of my cats had a bad URI last fall and tested
negative at that time.  Two others tested negative after I adopted Tulo 
but
before I adopted Dexter.  If a healthy cat lives with an FeLV cat for 
months

to years, tests negative, and continues to live with a FeLV cat, is the
healthy cat still at risk of being infected?

Thanks for your help,
Debbie

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