Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

Times like this I would like to be able to just slug them without suffering the 
consequences.
Maybe they should get their ears washed out and their minds opened up.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Totally irate. It was just so clear that they weren't prepared to look at 
> Winstrol in a new light - even with me holding a stack of serial weekly lab 
> results in my hand. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: November-04-17 7:43 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in 
> the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander 
> down.ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical 
> evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which 
> gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) 
> and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, 
> there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies 
> looking into the effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between 
> (though I have found a few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained 
> to me that once a drug is off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies 
> can make very little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set 
> up clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are still 
> covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of those other drugs.
> 
> The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
> of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
> on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which 
> in turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from 
> the activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very 
> mild side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also 
> found to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak 
> about steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and 
> safest of the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use 
> them at hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they 
> "stack" them will all sorts of other steroids).
> 
> I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
> own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they 
> will often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. 
> As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke 
> with that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best 
> to put him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results 
> weekly which showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to 
> normal results, at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well 
> maybe it was never FeLV in the first place".
> 
> I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
> good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having 
> little or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I 
> have mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in 
> combination with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on 
> in circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
> problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 
> 16 year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe 
> facial swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was 
> a cat who came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV 
> rampaging through it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY 
> ill with a sky-high fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she 
> survived when I thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me 
> now); I have used it to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his 
> cruciate ligament; and am I currently using it now to treat a spinal

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Close Ardy - Stanozolol.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: November-04-17 7:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Hi Marlene - I am so interested to hear about his treatment, very excited that 
they use it for FeLV treatment, how wonderful. I hope sincerely that they use 
it in conjunction with Doxycyclene and Prednisolone. I personally used the 
liquid form of Winstrol (it's other name here is Stanizolol I think - is this 
correct Amani?). But I believe Amani used the pills. The reason I went with 
oral liquid form is because Tigger took liquid easier than pills and it came in 
"his favorite" salmon flavor!

Best of luck to you with the treatment of your little friend.
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato 

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Totally irate. It was just so clear that they weren't prepared to look at 
Winstrol in a new light - even with me holding a stack of serial weekly lab 
results in my hand. 

Amani



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: November-04-17 7:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in 
the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander 
down.ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Hi Ken

I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence 
is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three 
cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported 
the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the 
unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the 
effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a 
few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money 
from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will 
instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they 
make more money on the sale of those other drugs.

The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in 
turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the 
activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild 
side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found 
to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about 
steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of 
the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them 
will all sorts of other steroids).

I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will 
often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I 
mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with 
that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put 
him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which 
showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, 
at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it was never 
FeLV in the first place".

I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having little 
or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I have 
mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in combination 
with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on in 
circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 16 
year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe facial 
swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was a cat who 
came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV rampaging through 
it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY ill with a sky-high 
fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she survived when I 
thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me now); I have used it 
to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his cruciate ligament; and am I 
currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion in Pippin - a three-year old 
who gets flair-ups of neurological problems which I tracked to a spinal lesion, 
and when the lesion causes swelling, etc., the symptoms reappear. The 
combination of prednisone and Winstrol appears to be the only thing that 
reverses the effects of the lesion. 

I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to 
it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've 
heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so I 
am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that FeLV 
is now 

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Ardy Robertson]

Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in 
the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander 
down.ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Hi Ken

I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence 
is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three 
cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported 
the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the 
unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the 
effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a 
few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money 
from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will 
instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they 
make more money on the sale of those other drugs.

The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in 
turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the 
activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild 
side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found 
to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about 
steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of 
the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them 
will all sorts of other steroids).

I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will 
often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I 
mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with 
that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put 
him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which 
showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, 
at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it was never 
FeLV in the first place".

I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having little 
or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I have 
mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in combination 
with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on in 
circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 16 
year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe facial 
swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was a cat who 
came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV rampaging through 
it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY ill with a sky-high 
fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she survived when I 
thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me now); I have used it 
to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his cruciate ligament; and am I 
currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion in Pippin - a three-year old 
who gets flair-ups of neurological problems which I tracked to a spinal lesion, 
and when the lesion causes swelling, etc., the symptoms reappear. The 
combination of prednisone and Winstrol appears to be the only thing that 
reverses the effects of the lesion. 

I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to 
it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've 
heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so I 
am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that FeLV 
is now thought to be caused by at least four or five different types or strains 
of virus, and I believe that this is the reason that some people get amazing 
results and some people see nothing.

Hopefully, Marlene will get a good response, and it is very heartening to hear 
that in Italy, the drug is commonly used to treat FeLV cats. It was commonly 
used in North America as well, in the '80's and '90's, until the stupid doping 
scandals (especially Ben Jo

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Ardy Robertson]

I totally agree - and as I said, I just hope they are also using it with Doxy 
and Prednisolone  I am very interested in their results. Do we have any 
way of finding out?

Thanks,
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Marlene,

I should really say that I have never used the injectable form but it is 
injected intramuscularly and doesn’t last very long, and will be far less 
convenient to give than the pills. As I mentioned in a previous response, the 
effect on the liver appears to be transitory and fades after the Winstrol is 
discontinued. You might consider an initial intramuscular injection by your 
vet, to give a quick boost to baseline, and then continuing with daily pills.

I am also THRILLED to hear that Winstrol is used regularly in Itally for FeLV. 
Finally, SOMEWHERE that is using a medication that actually shows some promise 
against this hideous virus, and doesn’t appear to be swayed by the highly 
irrelevant athletic doping scandals!

Good luck Marlene and keep us posted.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Ardy Robertson]

Bless you Ken for doing this - I agree. It was very heartening to hear that 
they are using it in Italy!!

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Good Morningh all--
I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic 
Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he 
perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count 
bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at 
that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that 
may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with 
Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and email 
addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her 
research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our 
area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the 
information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and 
hope.
Ken
- Original Message -
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Prayers for you and your baby.

 marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? 
> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
> the liver compared to the injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
> to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
> 
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M
> 
> Inviato da iPhone
> 
> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
> > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto:
> > 
> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that 
> > they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like 
> > having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he 
> > had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another 
> > good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam 
> > juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful 
> > that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it 
> > because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to 
> > suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also important to 
> > combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has 
> > some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck 
> > with his treatment!!
> > 
> > Ardy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > dlg...@windstream.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
> > - help
> > 
> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> > 
> >  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >> Dear All,
> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> >> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a 
> >> conclusive result). 
> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have 
> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth 
> >> while.
> >> 
> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have 
> >> you treated

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Marlene - I am so interested to hear about his treatment, very excited that 
they use it for FeLV treatment, how wonderful. I hope sincerely that they use 
it in conjunction with Doxycyclene and Prednisolone. I personally used the 
liquid form of Winstrol (it's other name here is Stanizolol I think - is this 
correct Amani?). But I believe Amani used the pills. The reason I went with 
oral liquid form is because Tigger took liquid easier than pills and it came in 
"his favorite" salmon flavor!

Best of luck to you with the treatment of your little friend.
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

I also like this.

 Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
Hi Ken,

  Would you be willing to share your compilation so others could print for 
their Vets, as well? I keep trying to get it all together, but I can't seem to 
be cohesive.

  I think it would be very helpful :)

Thanks, 

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: kresch...@mchsi.com
>Sent: Nov 2, 2017 10:18 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
>help
>
>Good Morningh all--
>I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
>Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic 
>Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he 
>perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count 
>bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at 
>that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that 
>may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with 
>Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and 
>email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her 
>research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our 
>area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the 
>information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and 
>hope.
>Ken
>- Original Message -
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
>help
>
>Prayers for you and your baby.
>
> marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear all,
>> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
>> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
>> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
>> What is better, pills or injections? 
>> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
>> the liver compared to the injectable one .
>> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon 
>> just to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>> 
>> Thanks all for your support.
>> Best
>> M
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
>> 
>> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
>> > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto:
>> > 
>> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
>> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
>> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
>> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food 
>> > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
>> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
>> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't 
>> > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make 
>> > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of 
>> > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave 
>> > him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just 
>> > shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge 
>> > against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties 
>> > have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also 
>> > important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because 
>> > the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. 
>> > Best of luck with his treatment!!
>> > 
>> > Ardy
>> > 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > dlg...@windstream.net
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
>> > - help
>> > 
>> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
>> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>> > 
>> >  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my c

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Margo]

Hi Ken,

  Would you be willing to share your compilation so others could print for 
their Vets, as well? I keep trying to get it all together, but I can't seem to 
be cohesive.

  I think it would be very helpful :)

Thanks, 

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: kresch...@mchsi.com
>Sent: Nov 2, 2017 10:18 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
>help
>
>Good Morningh all--
>I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
>Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic 
>Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he 
>perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count 
>bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at 
>that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that 
>may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with 
>Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and 
>email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her 
>research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our 
>area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the 
>information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and 
>hope.
>Ken
>- Original Message -
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
>help
>
>Prayers for you and your baby.
>
> marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear all,
>> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
>> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
>> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
>> What is better, pills or injections? 
>> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
>> the liver compared to the injectable one .
>> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon 
>> just to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>> 
>> Thanks all for your support.
>> Best
>> M
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
>> 
>> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
>> > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto:
>> > 
>> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
>> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
>> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
>> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food 
>> > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
>> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
>> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't 
>> > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make 
>> > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of 
>> > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave 
>> > him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just 
>> > shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge 
>> > against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties 
>> > have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also 
>> > important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because 
>> > the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. 
>> > Best of luck with his treatment!!
>> > 
>> > Ardy
>> > 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > dlg...@windstream.net
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
>> > - help
>> > 
>> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
>> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>> > 
>> >  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or 
>> >> a leukemia (in Belgium

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Ken

I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence 
is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three 
cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported 
the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the 
unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the 
effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a 
few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money 
from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will 
instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they 
make more money on the sale of those other drugs.

The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in 
turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the 
activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild 
side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found 
to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about 
steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of 
the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them 
will all sorts of other steroids).

I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will 
often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I 
mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with 
that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put 
him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which 
showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, 
at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it was never 
FeLV in the first place".

I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having little 
or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I have 
mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in combination 
with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on in 
circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 16 
year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe facial 
swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was a cat who 
came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV rampaging through 
it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY ill with a sky-high 
fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she survived when I 
thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me now); I have used it 
to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his cruciate ligament; and am I 
currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion in Pippin - a three-year old 
who gets flair-ups of neurological problems which I tracked to a spinal lesion, 
and when the lesion causes swelling, etc., the symptoms reappear. The 
combination of prednisone and Winstrol appears to be the only thing that 
reverses the effects of the lesion. 

I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to 
it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've 
heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so I 
am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that FeLV 
is now thought to be caused by at least four or five different types or strains 
of virus, and I believe that this is the reason that some people get amazing 
results and some people see nothing.

Hopefully, Marlene will get a good response, and it is very heartening to hear 
that in Italy, the drug is commonly used to treat FeLV cats. It was commonly 
used in North America as well, in the '80's and '90's, until the stupid doping 
scandals (especially Ben Johnson's Olympic gold medal being stripped) shone an 
ugly spotlight on it.

Amani

  

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: November-02-17 10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Good Morningh all--
I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regardin

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Marlene,

I should really say that I have never used the injectable form but it is 
injected intramuscularly and doesn’t last very long, and will be far less 
convenient to give than the pills. As I mentioned in a previous response, the 
effect on the liver appears to be transitory and fades after the Winstrol is 
discontinued. You might consider an initial intramuscular injection by your 
vet, to give a quick boost to baseline, and then continuing with daily pills.

I am also THRILLED to hear that Winstrol is used regularly in Itally for FeLV. 
Finally, SOMEWHERE that is using a medication that actually shows some promise 
against this hideous virus, and doesn’t appear to be swayed by the highly 
irrelevant athletic doping scandals!

Good luck Marlene and keep us posted.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
> ___
> Felvtalk mailing list
> Felvtal

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[kresch831]

Good Morningh all--
I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic 
Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he 
perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count 
bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at 
that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that 
may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with 
Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and email 
addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her 
research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our 
area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the 
information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and 
hope.
Ken
- Original Message -
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Prayers for you and your baby.

 marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? 
> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
> the liver compared to the injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
> to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
> 
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M
> 
> Inviato da iPhone
> 
> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
> > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto:
> > 
> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that 
> > they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like 
> > having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he 
> > had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another 
> > good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam 
> > juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful 
> > that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it 
> > because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to 
> > suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also important to 
> > combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has 
> > some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck 
> > with his treatment!!
> > 
> > Ardy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > dlg...@windstream.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
> > - help
> > 
> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> > 
> >  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >> Dear All,
> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> >> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a 
> >> conclusive result). 
> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have 
> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth 
> >> while.
> >> 
> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have 
> >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> >> 
> >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
> >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
> >> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
> >> already a lymphoma or leukemia 

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Pills. 

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
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[dlgegg]

Prayers for you and your baby.

 marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? 
> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
> the liver compared to the injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
> to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
> 
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M
> 
> Inviato da iPhone
> 
> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
> > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto:
> > 
> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that 
> > they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like 
> > having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he 
> > had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another 
> > good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam 
> > juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful 
> > that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it 
> > because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to 
> > suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also important to 
> > combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has 
> > some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck 
> > with his treatment!!
> > 
> > Ardy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > dlg...@windstream.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
> > - help
> > 
> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> > 
> >  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >> Dear All,
> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> >> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a 
> >> conclusive result). 
> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have 
> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth 
> >> while.
> >> 
> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have 
> >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> >> 
> >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
> >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
> >> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
> >> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and 
> >> also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about 
> >> using doxycycline.
> >> 
> >> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> >> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is 
> >> not eating ... 
> >> 
> >> Thanks for your help 
> >> Marlène  
> >> 
> >> 
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[marlene melpignano]

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
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[Ardy Robertson]

Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on his 
bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite stimulant 
called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, and that 
boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they sell for 
after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. 
Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did 
not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my 
mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I believe 
Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When he would not 
drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he 
loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they 
hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our 
kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also 
important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the 
Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of 
luck with his treatment!!

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

 marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Dear All,
> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
> result). 
> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
> 
> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> 
> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
> and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
> chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already 
> a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether 
> they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
> 
> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
> eating ... 
> 
> Thanks for your help 
> Marlène  
> 
> 
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[dlgegg]

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Marlene
> 
> The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly on cats 
> with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful when a cat is not 
> eating. Unfortunately, though there are other steroids, I am not certain you 
> will get the same result if you use another steroid in place of the Winstrol. 
> DO NOT USE another antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus 
> replication and is added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the 
> virus, to enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for 
> a secondary infection. 
> 
> I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a cat is 
> dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the response and 
> if there isn’t an appreciable response after a reasonable period of time, 
> look for another option. But don’t have a debate while the cat is declining. 
> What's the worst that could happen? It doesn’t work? What other options are 
> they giving you??? 

  COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG?
> 
> I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you go on 
> line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like Germany. 
> 
> If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I really 
> doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on of blood cell 
> production in the bone marrow - I don’t think there is another steroid that 
> does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol online from Germany or 
> wherever else it can be sourced. But don't wait. The longer you wait, the 
> worse the condition of your cat, thus worsening the chances of anything 
> working.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> marlene melpignano
> Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Dear All,
> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
> result). 
> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
> 
> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> 
> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
> and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
> chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already 
> a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether 
> they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
> 
> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
> eating ... 
> 
> Thanks for your help 
> Marlène  
> 
> 
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[dlgegg]

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

 marlene melpignano  wrote: 
> Dear All,
> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
> result). 
> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
> 
> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> 
> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
> and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
> chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already 
> a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether 
> they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
> 
> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
> eating ... 
> 
> Thanks for your help 
> Marlène  
> 
> 
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[Amani Oakley]

Marlene

The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly on cats 
with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful when a cat is not 
eating. Unfortunately, though there are other steroids, I am not certain you 
will get the same result if you use another steroid in place of the Winstrol. 
DO NOT USE another antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus 
replication and is added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the 
virus, to enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a 
secondary infection. 

I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a cat is 
dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the response and if 
there isn’t an appreciable response after a reasonable period of time, look for 
another option. But don’t have a debate while the cat is declining. What's the 
worst that could happen? It doesn’t work? What other options are they giving 
you??? 

I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you go on 
line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like Germany. 

If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I really 
doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on of blood cell 
production in the bone marrow - I don’t think there is another steroid that 
does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol online from Germany or wherever 
else it can be sourced. But don't wait. The longer you wait, the worse the 
condition of your cat, thus worsening the chances of anything working.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
result). 
My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a 
lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they 
had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and 
if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating 
... 

Thanks for your help 
Marlène  


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[marlene melpignano]

Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
result). 
My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a 
lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they 
had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and 
if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating 
... 

Thanks for your help 
Marlène  


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[dlgegg]

I told my vet about the winnstrol treatment and she has agreed to give it a try 
if ever needed, may even try on other cats if owners want it. 

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> Hi Marlene,
> I used Interferon with and without Prednisolone on my beloved Tigger
> --nothing happened to improve his bloodwork. ONLY - when I finally found
> a way to get Winstrol and used it according to the way Amani had used it --
> with Prednisolone and Doxycyclene -- did it begin to help Tigger's
> bloodwork. So much so, that the lab re-ran the first bloodtest after using
> Winstrol because they thought there was a mistake, there was that much
> improvement! And by the time I was able to get the Winstrol from a
> compounding pharmacy in Arizona-USA, one called Diamond Back Drugs, his
> blood was flatlining. At that point I don't even know how he could have been
> alive with such low numbers. If you decide to go the route of Winstrol, you
> might be able to find it online by googling Diamond Back Drugs. We in the
> FeLV group have begun calling this treatment "Zander's Protocol" because
> Zander was Amani's beloved kitty who was helped by this treatment. At the
> moment, my four fur-babies are all healthy, but if I ever have another one
> with FeLV, I would treat him with Winstrol.
> 
> My best to you and your kitty,
> Ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> marlene melpignano
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator -
> help
> 
> Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions.
> Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience
> on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I
> cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia
> prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at
> all in Italy.
> My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's
> very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in
> virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are
> effective in Felv.
> And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. 
> 
> Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Marlene,
I used Interferon with and without Prednisolone on my beloved Tigger
--nothing happened to improve his bloodwork. ONLY - when I finally found
a way to get Winstrol and used it according to the way Amani had used it --
with Prednisolone and Doxycyclene -- did it begin to help Tigger's
bloodwork. So much so, that the lab re-ran the first bloodtest after using
Winstrol because they thought there was a mistake, there was that much
improvement! And by the time I was able to get the Winstrol from a
compounding pharmacy in Arizona-USA, one called Diamond Back Drugs, his
blood was flatlining. At that point I don't even know how he could have been
alive with such low numbers. If you decide to go the route of Winstrol, you
might be able to find it online by googling Diamond Back Drugs. We in the
FeLV group have begun calling this treatment "Zander's Protocol" because
Zander was Amani's beloved kitty who was helped by this treatment. At the
moment, my four fur-babies are all healthy, but if I ever have another one
with FeLV, I would treat him with Winstrol.

My best to you and your kitty,
Ardy


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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator -
help

Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions.
Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience
on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I
cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia
prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at
all in Italy.
My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's
very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in
virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are
effective in Felv.
And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. 

Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... 


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[Amani Oakley]

Seriously - try the Winstrol. I had very good results with it, and several 
others on our chatline have had good results as well. If it is complicated to 
get the LTCI, then it may well be easier to get the Winstrol. By the way, I am 
in Canada, and we had to ship the LTCI from the U.S.

Also, I don't think vets ANYWHERE are experienced with FeLV since they all just 
recommend putting the cat down. The experiences of others on our chatline, 
shows that to be the case, and we have heard from people in South Africa and 
South America as well as all over the U.S., and parts of Canada. Many of us 
have had to fight with our vets to get them to obtain Winstrol or to try any 
treatment at all for the FeLV. You are not alone in that regard.

Amani

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marlene melpignano
Sent: October-28-17 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions.
Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on 
felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I cannot use 
at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia prevails... in 
Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at all in Italy.
My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's 
very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in 
virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are 
effective in Felv.
And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. 

Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... 


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[marlene melpignano]

Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions.
Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on 
felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I cannot use 
at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia prevails... in 
Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at all in Italy.
My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's 
very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in 
virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are 
effective in Felv.
And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. 

Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... 


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[Amani Oakley]

Marlene - I should also have added to my last email, that you shouldn’t be 
surprised if you get an unusual response from your vet, to the suggestion of 
using Winstrol. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid, and has unfortunately been 
implicated in a number of athletic "doping" scandals and so it can sometimes be 
difficult to obtain. You said you are in Italy, and I actually think it may not 
be as difficult to access Winstrol in Europe as it is in North America, but I 
don’t know that for sure. It is possible that your vet will need to get the 
Winstrol from a compounding pharmacy.

However, the medication is not very expensive and I have had very good success 
with it with my FeLV cat who was in severe crisis and close to death. I have 
also found it very helpful in a wide array of other conditions since is it a 
muscle builder, bone builder and improves appetite and strength. (You can see 
why athletes often use it to become stronger and faster and heal faster as 
well.)

Amani

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marlene melpignano
Sent: October-28-17 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one 
year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive 
dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell 
immunomodulator) Thanks a lot, Marlène (an Italian desperate cat mother)


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[Amani Oakley]

Hi Marlene

I methodically tried both the Immunoregulin and the LTCI. We gave weekly 
injections and performed weekly bloodwork, which showed no appreciable change 
in the haematology or other blood parameters. However, others on this chatline 
have had good results with those treatments. I suggest that if you are going to 
try either of these treatments, you perform weekly bloodwork as we did, and if 
there is no change, move on.

Alternatively, what I did find very effective, was using Winstrol (stanazolol) 
along with prednisolone and Doxycycline. Again, performing weekly bloodwork 
showed an immediate uptick in the red cell count and haematocrit, and it rose 
steadily thereafter from a level of 5 (critically low) to normal levels between 
25 and 35 after about 10 months of treatment. The other blood parameters also 
improved (platelets going from critically low numbers to within reference 
range) and white cells also returning to reference range levels.

I had good luck using a combination of Doxycycline (1/2 100 mg twice a day) 
plus Winstrol (1 mg x2 day) plus prednisone/prednisolone (1/2  5 mg tablet x2 a 
day). Even on this protocol, I recommend close weekly or bi-weekly monitoring 
so you can see if you start getting a rise in the red cell indices, etc. Don’t 
let your vet talk you out of one or another of these medications. You can’t 
substitute another antibiotic for the Doxycycline, for example. Doxycycline has 
anti-RNA properties (which allows it to interfere with the replication of 
viruses when other antibiotics don’t do this.) 

Amani

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marlene melpignano
Sent: October-28-17 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one 
year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive 
dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell 
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[kat]

Hi Marlene,

 

I do not have any experience with either Immunoregulin or LTCI, but I am sure others on this list can help you.  Hpefully they will check in before the weekend is over.  I am sending you positive energy vibes from the NJ in the USA.

 

Kat

('Mew' Jersey)

 

 

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To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator)
Thanks a lot,
Marlène (an Italian desperate cat mother)


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[marlene melpignano]

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one 
year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive 
dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell 
immunomodulator) 
Thanks a lot,
Marlène (an Italian desperate cat mother)


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