Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

2016-06-10 Thread dlgegg
I used to caccinate until one of my cats had a very bad reaction.  We do not 
have much exposure to other animals and so I do not see the need for vaccines.

 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
> cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
> oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
> your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
> supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
> of your animals.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *ROBERT CHAPEL
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
> 
> 
> 
> I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
> pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
> all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
> understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
> not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
> BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
> MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
> who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
> conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
> Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
> these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
> their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
> given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
> what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
> are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
> the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
> practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
> decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
> important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
> and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
> to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
> count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
> importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
> your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
> the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
> paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
> a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
> give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
> was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly
> 
> ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
> prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
> ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
> 
> The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
> profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
> cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
> Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
> were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
> I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
> develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
> find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
> Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
> 
> Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
> The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
> we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
> be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
> than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
> ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
> this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
> keep both eyes open
> 
> until we know our " professional" well.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

2016-06-10 Thread dlgegg
AMEN!!

 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
> cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
> oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
> your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
> supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
> of your animals.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *ROBERT CHAPEL
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
> 
> 
> 
> I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
> pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
> all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
> understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
> not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
> BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
> MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
> who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
> conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
> Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
> these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
> their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
> given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
> what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
> are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
> the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
> practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
> decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
> important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
> and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
> to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
> count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
> importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
> your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
> the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
> paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
> a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
> give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
> was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly
> 
> ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
> prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
> ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
> 
> The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
> profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
> cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
> Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
> were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
> I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
> develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
> find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
> Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
> 
> Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
> The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
> we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
> be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
> than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
> ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
> this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
> keep both eyes open
> 
> until we know our " professional" well.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
of your animals.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...



I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly

( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)

The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..

Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
keep both eyes open

until we know our " professional" well.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

2016-06-09 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her 
pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to 
" all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard 
understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I 
am not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that 
it is BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY 
individual MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and 
ethically and who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not 
always like the conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of 
saying that " The Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can 
seldom be seen avoiding these same uninformed professionals as soon as 
something goes amiss with their health.( Then , of course, fail to 
follow the advice they are given...don't improve and blame it on the 
fact the the " Doctors don't know what they are talking about" : )    We 
run that risk here as well Vets are businessmen/women and the world 
of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in the same direction as Human 
Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group practices to sell services AND 
medications and don't always predicate their decisions on what is best 
for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO important to NOT run from 
Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust and stay with them!!  
Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure to " sell " most 
decent people will allow the long term relationship to count for 
"something" over time and modify their approach.  Most importantly try 
to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about your animals 
disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate the advice 
you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not paying 
enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached a 
different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did 
give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat 
but was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed 
sensibly
( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want 
to prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in 
house ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the 
same profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a 
FAR more cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to 
measure Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very 
drugs that were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the 
better vet??   I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone 
with whom to develop a relationship and I could go broke running from 
Vet to Vet until I find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( 
BTWEACH one of the Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...   
The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties 
and we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as 
we can be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot 
different than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go 
over when you ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a 
profound sadness at this dilution of the meaning of professional.  
Now we really DO have to keep both eyes open

until we know our " professional" well.
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[Felvtalk] Vaccines

2013-05-22 Thread Margo



. Good morning, Do the ones who go outside have possible contact with other cats? If they were vaccinated against panleukopenia after 20 weeks of age, and had at least one booster after a year, I would probably forego future vaccines, except for the one manated by law in most places (rabies). You could even ask your Vet for a rabies waiver for the older cats. Some will, some won't, and in some places it's not legal, but it's worth asking :)
I would avoid vaccinating the + cat.HTH,Margo

p.s.

Sorry, somehow I missed the part about little contact with strays, so I'd be comfortable with discontinuing vaccines for the oldest cats if they had a series previously. The risk for your others would be mostly for the URIs (RC+C of the FVRCCP), which aren't usually fatal, and I think require cat-cat contact to transmit. Depending on when they were last vaccinated, I would probably do one more with panleuk, as that can remain active in the soil for years. The panluek vaccine is very effective (and I believe for life), but I haven't seen any actual documentation of more than 7 years trials.HTH^..^
-Original Message-From: dlg...@windstream.netSent: May 22, 2013 5:17 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCc: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] IntroductionI have a question re vaccinations I have 2 15 year olds, one never goes out, she is terrified of outside and the other goes down on the ground to potty and then back to the deck for a snooze in the sun. Another 8 year old goes out very little and another tht stays on the deck. Do they need vaccinations? FELV they need as I have 1 positive cat, but do they need the others as their chances of contracting anything from strays, etc are very slim.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2013-05-22 Thread Beth
No vaccine is 100%
I've been mixing mine for over 10 years  have had no negative, vaccinated cats 
catch the virus. Even my 2 vaccinated FIV cats never caught it. And I have had 
the negatives retested several times. I've had as many as 5 positives  5 
negatives at one time. No transmission.
I'd say the vaccine is pretty effective. Of coarse I think cats get more immune 
to it as they age.


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 From: cer...@new.rr.com cer...@new.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
 


 
I have a question about vaccines against FeLeuk itself.
I have read that they are not entirely effective, at least
not in their current form. Any thoughts?
 
I mean the ones you give your non-positive cats when
mixing with those who actually have it.
 
Thanks-Chris C.
  
From: Margo 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2013-05-22 Thread dlgegg
The only ones who might have contact would be the2 year olds, but a cat would 
have to wander in from town and that is 2 miles away.  They are more likely to 
have contact with mice, moles, rabbits, groundhog, snakes, maybe a skunk, but 
have not seen or smelled one of those for several years now.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts on vaccinations.  Had not thought of a waiver 
for the older girls.

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[Felvtalk] Vaccines, including Why do we vaccinate our cats and dogs?

2011-06-15 Thread Natalie
http://www.naturalnews.com/032708_pet_vaccines_scam.html 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2010-10-15 Thread Michelle Brockman




I really like the way your vet thinks and wish more had the same protocols. 
Unfortunately mine doesn't so I direct him as to my wishes for my pets when 
they have ANYTHING done in the office now so I control what is done to them. 
Knowledge really is power and I just wish there weren't so many that blindly 
trust their doctors, veterniarians and the general 'powers that be' in our 
society without educating themselves first. I had to learn this lesson the hard 
way after my cats got sick. They were vaccinated and spayed/neutered the same 
day when their immune system was now in hindsight being compromised by an 
active coronavirus mutation and the weakness allowed it to further develop into 
FIP. One had wet (Gus, who died at 9 months) and one had dry (Scout who died at 
8 months). Neither of these cats had FeLV and only received distemper and 
rabies vaccines and were 100% healthy prior to their surgeries/vaccinations. 
That's enough about that, I just hope people can benefit from my terrible 
experience. 


 
Michelle Brockman
It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered 

  

 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:52:54 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 
 My veterinarian NEVER vaccinates cats at the time of surgery,
 illness...unlike many vets who insist on vaccinating no matter how ill the
 cats are.Cat owners do not bother finding out which vaccines to choose
 or not, depending on a cat's lifestylemany blindly accept a vet's
 vaccine protocolgetting FeLV and FIV vaccines when it isn't warranted,
 neither going outside or exposed to other cats who might have it.I have
 yet to see a vet who adheres to the latest protocol for FVRCP instead of
 yearly, every three years. It's all about the money with many
 vets.Personally, I have not have cats with injection site sarcomas, nor
 from FeLV vaccines - have never used them yet. I have only two healthy
 FeLV+ cats that are very healthy.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Vaccines

2009-03-31 Thread Patricia . A . Elkins
I bought the vaccine and my sister-in-law was able to vaccinate my young 
negatives for much much
less than I would have to pay at the vet. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Vaccines

2009-03-31 Thread MaryChristine
yes, i was going to suggest that people check into this--AND even ask your
vet, about having them get you a flat of 25 vaccines for you to administer
yourself. to fully protect them, you need to do the initial dose and then a
second in two to three weeks. from there, theoretically, annual shots are
required. whether or not that's actually the case is up for debate, as
immunity should be immunity--with the relatively low infection rate in
healthy adults cats, i seriously question whether or not the annual boosters
are needed. but i'm a heretic, as you all know.

with healthy, negative cats, despite what they would have predicted.

MC

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:33 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:

 I bought the vaccine and my sister-in-law was able to vaccinate my young
 negatives for much much
 less than I would have to pay at the vet.
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[Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread Lorrie
I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV
negative years ago when I adopted them.  However they are inside -
outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home
to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.  but there is always
that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be
inaccurate

I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please
give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first,
or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all
appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would
the vaccine hurt them??

Thanks for your help,

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread Sharyl

Lorrie, 
JMO but if they have never been vaccinated I'd have them tested before getting 
the vaccine.
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:21 PM
 
 -Inline Attachment Follows-
 
 I have several cats who are 5+ years
 old, and all tested FelV
 negative years ago when I adopted them.  However they
 are inside -
 outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring
 home
 to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.  but
 there is always
 that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test
 may be
 inaccurate
 
 I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in
 case. Please
 give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them
 all first,
 or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing
 them. They all
 appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be
 pos. would
 the vaccine hurt them??
 
 Thanks for your help,
 
 Lorrie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread gary
There is no problem with giving a FeLV positive cat the FeLV vaccine.  Some
would say it was just a waste of money (for the positive cat) but there are
people on the FeLV lists that have given their positives cats the vaccine
every year and some claim to have some very old cats with FeLV.  I believe
one had had a cat that lived to be 22.  I don't think there is any hard
evidence as to whether it helps or not, but it won't hurt them.

I'm sure you will hear from others who do it.

Gary



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV
negative years ago when I adopted them.  However they are inside -
outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home
to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.  but there is always
that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be
inaccurate

I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please
give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first,
or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all
appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would
the vaccine hurt them??

Thanks for your help,

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats.  I have two 12-13 yr old cats,  
that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually.  Her vet believed  
in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine.  I just spoke with one  
of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten.  This  
vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a  
couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other  
being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok  
to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction.  
Never heard of that.


Be interesting to research this topic.  But the 2 cats I have are the  
only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old.


Gloria



On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:51 PM, gary wrote:

There is no problem with giving a FeLV positive cat the FeLV  
vaccine.  Some
would say it was just a waste of money (for the positive cat) but  
there are
people on the FeLV lists that have given their positives cats the  
vaccine
every year and some claim to have some very old cats with FeLV.  I  
believe
one had had a cat that lived to be 22.  I don't think there is any  
hard

evidence as to whether it helps or not, but it won't hurt them.

I'm sure you will hear from others who do it.

Gary



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV
negative years ago when I adopted them.  However they are inside -
outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home
to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.  but there is always
that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be
inaccurate

I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please
give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first,
or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all
appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would
the vaccine hurt them??

Thanks for your help,

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread Kelley Saveika
Vaccinations scare me.  Not vaccinating scares me.  It is a crapshoot.

You have two cats that were vaccinated against FELV and were FELV+ and
have lived long lives.

We had an older cat who we had no vet records on so had to give the
Rabies vaccination on, by law.  We also gave him a distemper
vaccination.  He developed AIHA (AutoImmune Hemolytic Anemia) and died
after a brave struggle.  Could have been caused by either or both
vaccinations.



On 3/30/09, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats.  I have two 12-13 yr old cats,
 that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually.  Her vet believed
 in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine.  I just spoke with one
 of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten.  This
 vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a
 couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other
 being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok
 to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction.
 Never heard of that.

 Be interesting to research this topic.  But the 2 cats I have are the
 only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old.

 Gloria



 On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:51 PM, gary wrote:

 There is no problem with giving a FeLV positive cat the FeLV
 vaccine.  Some
 would say it was just a waste of money (for the positive cat) but
 there are
 people on the FeLV lists that have given their positives cats the
 vaccine
 every year and some claim to have some very old cats with FeLV.  I
 believe
 one had had a cat that lived to be 22.  I don't think there is any
 hard
 evidence as to whether it helps or not, but it won't hurt them.

 I'm sure you will hear from others who do it.

 Gary



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

 I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV
 negative years ago when I adopted them.  However they are inside -
 outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home
 to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.  but there is always
 that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be
 inaccurate

 I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please
 give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first,
 or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all
 appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would
 the vaccine hurt them??

 Thanks for your help,

 Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread gary
Hi Gloria,

I have been considering giving all my positives the vaccine, just on the
outside chance it might actually help.  I'll give the shots myself, so the
expense won't be that much.  Unfortunately, none of us has a large enough
sample to make for a real research project with statistically significant
results.  Also, I don't think I could withhold from some and give to others,
I would feel too guilty.

Many of us who care for FeLV cats give them various things to boost their
immune system, but because there has been no real research, we are mostly
just guessing.  Best Friends gives their FeLV cats .5ml of Immuno Regulin
sub-q every month.  I asked their vet why and you will never guess what he
said.  They do it because that was what was being done when he got there.  

Gary

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats.  I have two 12-13 yr old cats,  
that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually.  Her vet believed  
in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine.  I just spoke with one  
of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten.  This  
vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a  
couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other  
being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok  
to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction.  
Never heard of that.

Be interesting to research this topic.  But the 2 cats I have are the  
only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old.

Gloria




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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread MaryChristine
how wonderful to see this discussion!

and even tho none of us individually may have enough cats to be
statistically significant (tho one of us, wink wink, may get there soon,
gary), as a GROUP we might

and even if we fall below the magic number of 30, if we have actual,
real-time (as opposed to historical) data with dates of innoculation, health
and age info etc., collected as we go along, we stand a whole lot greater
chance of having the info looked at by the folks doing research. if we can
show them a pattern, in a direction that they most probably are NOT looking,
it could truly lead somewhere wonderful

as for the safety of vaxing positives, the only thing i've ever heard
negative was that it was a waste of money and vaccine to give it to known
positives!

MC

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:59 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 Hi Gloria,

 I have been considering giving all my positives the vaccine, just on the
 outside chance it might actually help.  I'll give the shots myself, so the
 expense won't be that much.  Unfortunately, none of us has a large enough
 sample to make for a real research project with statistically significant
 results.  Also, I don't think I could withhold from some and give to
 others,
 I would feel too guilty.

 Many of us who care for FeLV cats give them various things to boost their
 immune system, but because there has been no real research, we are mostly
 just guessing.  Best Friends gives their FeLV cats .5ml of Immuno Regulin
 sub-q every month.  I asked their vet why and you will never guess what he
 said.  They do it because that was what was being done when he got there.

 Gary

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:17 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

 I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats.  I have two 12-13 yr old cats,
 that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually.  Her vet believed
 in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine.  I just spoke with one
 of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten.  This
 vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a
 couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other
 being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok
 to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction.
 Never heard of that.

 Be interesting to research this topic.  But the 2 cats I have are the
 only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old.

 Gloria




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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

2009-03-30 Thread Laurieskatz
My two positives were vaccinated for years (I was ignorant and so,
apparently, was our vet).
Squeaky always became very sick for 3 days after the vaccination. It didn't
faze Stripes but he was always kind of sick on and off. That was the ONLY
time Squeaky was ever sick.
Laurie
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

Hi Gloria,

I have been considering giving all my positives the vaccine, just on the
outside chance it might actually help.  I'll give the shots myself, so the
expense won't be that much.  Unfortunately, none of us has a large enough
sample to make for a real research project with statistically significant
results.  Also, I don't think I could withhold from some and give to others,
I would feel too guilty.

Many of us who care for FeLV cats give them various things to boost their
immune system, but because there has been no real research, we are mostly
just guessing.  Best Friends gives their FeLV cats .5ml of Immuno Regulin
sub-q every month.  I asked their vet why and you will never guess what he
said.  They do it because that was what was being done when he got there.  

Gary

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines

I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats.  I have two 12-13 yr old cats,  
that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually.  Her vet believed  
in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine.  I just spoke with one  
of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten.  This  
vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a  
couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other  
being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok  
to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction.  
Never heard of that.

Be interesting to research this topic.  But the 2 cats I have are the  
only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old.

Gloria




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