Flavia Snowball
My belated but no less heartfelt thanks -- it meant and means
so much -- to Joan, MaryChristine, Kat, Terrie, Cherie, Barb, Stephanie, Nina,
Hideyo, Jen, Tonya, Bramble's Michelle, Jennifer, Gloria, Del, James, Erika,
Sheila, Peggy, Faye, Sue, Jenn Melody for all your messages on and after
July 6, a day that for all the wrong reasons will be etched in my brain for
ever.
I was touched bythe request for pix---I'm not teched up
enough toupload pix at the moment but I'm told I can do it with a CD made
from my regular pix. So watch this space for a fabulouspicof
Snowball with his "arm" around his girlfriend Flavia. Hideyo
suggested "the only thing I can think of is that Snowball is such a gentle soul,
he could not let Flavia cross the bridge all by herself so he decided to join
her" whichI found comforting.
It seems a bit weird that I'm posting this
almost a month after it happened--all I can deduce is that that necessary trip
to UK really got in the way of grieving for my little furballs. It wasn't
possible to talk to anyone about it (my family aren't animal people and don't
"get it") and I had no computer access.
Although I'm stillway behind with the list
email please know my thoughts are with all of you who have suffered losses, and
I'm sending positive thoughts for all sick kitties.
love and hugs
Kerry
- Original Message -
From:
Joan Doljan
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:40
PM
Subject: Re: Please add Flavia to CLS
Belinda
Kerry,
I am so sorry. I know how much you cared for her and she sensed she
could make you understand that it was time for her to leave. I know she
is in a better place, not suffering, but missing you as well.
Joan
Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear
allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so
quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at
6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing
more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a
first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December
2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen
urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst.
I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I
panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber,
and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since
yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm
yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at
all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping
in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she
hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a
pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2
clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the
housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a
mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and
helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful
woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell
your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated
myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia
gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act
on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or
suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one hereapart from the
petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not
want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that
little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for
the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible.
She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and
coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail.
Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really
enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more
willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to
everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain
today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe
in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous
Flavia.Kerry- Original Message
-From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
<FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52
AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle
L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and
much risk)
Re: Flavia (So Sorry!)
Kerry I am sooo sorry to hear about your loss. I love my cats very much and don't even want to think about a day when they will be gone. I lost Pumpkin Custard to old age (18 years) in 2002 or 2003 I think. I still miss the old buzzard as we started to call him in his old age. I cuddle with my kitties and tell them my thoughts. Please know that I will be praying for you and that one day you will see your darling Flavia again! Melody - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CFAITH - Your Online Faith Family - http://www.cfaith.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I am sorry for your loss, Flavia is better now and missing you just as much. Much love and prayers peggyKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a betterprognosis for long-term survival than do FeLV+ cats and I have always wondered i
RE: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
I am sorry for your loss. From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:35:19 -0500 Dear all My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone. It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (she had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemed to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someone had vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrived in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has also been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, a first. I thought it was probably Flavia. So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to the vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory rate had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10, from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday. I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night (she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had the energy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get a chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR would have probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and just had to set a schedule.) I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--do tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my relationship with Higgins after all... I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still here and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting for breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one here apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (I did not want to hospitalize her.) I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit of a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed more tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine, elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her underside and a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a feather for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, of course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the past few days. Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touch again today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'll be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd. Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immune system and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. There is much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com, or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of Animal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the same virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to provide them with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due to emotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogens that their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of a threat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 who turned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It is through recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers and FeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worse case scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. At present the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explains why some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost Flavia. May she find peace wherever her journey takes her. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: July 5 update on Flavia/for Belinda
Belinda--I'm sorry to hear about yr friend's bad experience. Awful, but it doesn't surprise me any more. I've used Drs Dodin and Dr Rovner for years and trust and like them both. They were at Higgins till recently and have both left (owner is a jerk-- tell your friend to avoid Dr Humphrey Roberts, the owner of Higgins). Also tell her to avoid McKillips Animal Hospital, and the Mayfair clinic.) But tell me where your friend lives and when I get back (22nd) I'll see if I can help further with nearer clinics. Kerry Dr Dodin can be contacted at Abell Animal Hospital, 773 631 6727. Scott Rovner, owner of Roscoe Village Animal Hospital, 3131 N Clybourn (almost next door to Emergency Clinic) tel 773 549 3131. Problem: his clinic is very new, and still a work-in-progress, and he may not be available every day. Another housecall vet I've not used but that comes very highly recommended by a close friend who had to have her dog PTS. Dr Alisse Mawrence, 773 575 7387. She does evenings and weekends too. But she can take some time to respond -- she also works at Chicago Emergency Services. Doctor Teuber at Higgins, 1705 W. Belmont (Paulina Belmont), tel: 773 525 0472. I've only seen her once (yesterday) but i liked her. She was easy to talk to and responsive to ideas. - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: July 5 update on Flavia Kerry when you get back from your trip, I would really like to know what vets you have seen, I just had a friend move to Chicago and she has had some horro experiences finding a vet she can trust. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Dear all My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone. It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (she had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemed to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someone had vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrived in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has also been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, a first. I thought it was probably Flavia. So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to the vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory rate had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10, from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday. I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night (she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had the energy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get a chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR would have probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and just had to set a schedule.) I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--do tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my relationship with Higgins after all... I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still here and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting for breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one here apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (I did not want to hospitalize her.) I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit of a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed more tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine, elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her underside and a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a feather for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, of course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the past few days. Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touch again today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'll be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd. Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immune system and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. There is much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com, or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of Animal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the same virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to provide them with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due to emotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogens that their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of a threat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 who turned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It is through recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers and FeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worse case scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. At present the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explains why some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a better prognosis for long-term survival than do FeLV+ cats and I have always wondered if there is any research out there to suggest why this may be the case. I
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I am so sorry. I know how much you cared for her and she sensed she could make you understand that it was time for her to leave. I know she is in a better place, not suffering, but missing you as well. Joan Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In gene
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
oh, kerry, i'm so sorry! i haven't been posting much, but have been following everyone's story, and holding all in light i'm so glad you were able to hear her, and to be with her when she went on. GLOW to light her way, and for you to heal... -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I'm so sorry Flavia is gone - I'm glad you were able to spend the last night with her, and that you were still here and the one who she told when she was ready, but it's so very hard to let them go - even knowing they will be made whole again, waiting for us at the Rainbow Bridge. Please know that she wanted you to know this and to be at peace with this before you went away so you wouldn't be worrying about her. My thoughts and prayers are with you at this sad time. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Dear all My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
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RE: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
, NOOO , Kerry, please tell me it's not true!! Kerry, I am sorry, but I can't deal with the fact that Flavia is gone, Kerry. I am so sad and can't barely think right now - oh my gosh.. I am so sorry, I am supposed to be comforting you, but I have been attached to her so much through you, and can't accept the fact that she is gone, Kerry. I am just mess right now, Kerry and I am sorry for not being strong for you - I just want to cry with you. I wish I were right there to comfort you, I wish I could hold Flavia in my arm, Kerry. What a sweet girl she has been and she is - she probably wanted to say good bye to you before you left - Kerry, may I have her picture? I would like to keep it as a memory of the most precious baby of yours and mine - Kerry, don't be too sad, I know Flavia's soul is right there with you, she can probably now travel with you, too. I just love her so much through you, Kerry - and I miss her so terribly - Love forever for Flavia, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda Dear all My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone. It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (she had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemed to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someone had vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrived in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has also been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, a first. I thought it was probably Flavia. So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to the vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory rate had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10, from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday. I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night (she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had the energy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get a chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR would have probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and just had to set a schedule.) I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--do tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my relationship with Higgins after all... I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still here and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting for breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one here apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (I did not want to hospitalize her.) I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit of a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed more tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine, elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her underside and a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a feather for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, of course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the past few days. Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touch again today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'll be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd. Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immune system and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. There is much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com, or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of Animal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the same virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to provide them with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I feel for your loss, I am sorry and I hope you will recover for Flavia. She is watching and missing you from the Bridge. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Cherie Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a betterprognosis for long
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Oh Kerry, I'm so sorry it was her time, but it sounds like she had a peaceful passing and was able to be with you. Our thoughts and tears are with you.. HUGSKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a betterprognosis for long-term survival th
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Aw Kerry, I'm so truly sorry. I'm crying as I write this. It's just so heartbreaking. I'm glad she was able to trust you and had such lovely moments being stroked and comforted by you. I wish it could have happened sooner, but it's no less wonderful that it happened, even for such a short time. In a way, it's not a bad thing that the IR hadn't arrived. The outcome may have been the same and then you would have been blaming yourself for trying it. Sweet, beautiful, little girl, she knew better than us, her timing will at least put your mind at ease during your trip. You know what I mean, you don't have to worry about her being without you now. Please know that you are not alone in mourning your sweet Flavia. I had such high hopes for her being the one to help the others see how wonderful it is to trust. I'm sending you and your other babies love and comfort, Nina
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I feel the same way as Hideyo. Do you have a picture of her to send to Belinda for the CLS page? I too would love to see the little girl we all fell in love with through you. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: , NOO
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
I'm so sorry Kerry... My thoughts are with you Steph
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Oh, Kerry...I am so sorry...please know that you and Flavia are in my thoughts. I bet there's a shiney new angel at the bridge telling the other fur-angels all about her wonderful Mum here on Earth! Keep your heart open 'cause I bet Flavia will be sending you a sign that she's okay...although my signs usually manifest themselves in a pair of sad little eyes that suddenly show up on my doorstep... ;) My little angels must have joined some kind of Cat Consulting Club as I always get a sense that *somebody* has whispered into the ear of our newcomers just which doorstep they need to show up on! :) Take care of yourself, Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 12:35 pm Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda Dear all My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone. It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (she had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemed to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrived in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has also been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box-- again, a first. I thought it was probably Flavia. So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to the vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory rate had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10, from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday. I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night (she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get a chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and just had to set a schedule.) I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--do tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my relationship with Higgins after all... I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still here and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting for breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one here apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (I did not want to hospitalize her.) I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit of a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed more tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine, elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a feather for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, of course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the past few days. Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'll be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd. Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune- compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immune system and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. There is much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of Animal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the same virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Oh Kerry, I am SO sorry! I can't believe she went downhill so quickly. I know you must just be in shock. I know I am. I'm glad that if this was going to happen it was now while you were with her. And it does sound like she wanted that too. I am so terribly sorry. Maybe being away for a while will be a good thing for you now. She is at peace and maybe the loss will be easier for you to get through being away from home for a bit. Take care of yourself and have a safe trip. tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atprese
Flavia
My thoughts and prayers are with you Kerry. I am glad you got to spend those last precious moments with your little angel.
Re: Please add Snowball and Flavia to CLS Belinda
Kerry, This is unreal and never fair to lose two precious lovebugs the same day. How awful. Big hugs, Del - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: Please add Snowball to CLS Belinda It's been a painfulday. I lost my gentle giant Snowball this afternoon. I never expected that. He was breathing rapidly when I got home from the clinic. I thought at first he was stressed because of losing his girlfriend Flavia. I couldn't take the risk, tho, so I rushed him to the clinic. His lungs were full of fluid. Only 25 per cent was not full and even that was compromised. I discussed it with the same vet I saw this morning. I couldn't risk him dying while I was gone, and that seemed a very real possibility. Snowball was the biggest cat, a flamepoint, but he wouldn't hurt a soul. He was terribly timid. He stopped playing a couple of months ago, butI thought it was a lazy phase, because he had been pretty lazy before. The other little ones would enjoy batting him when he was below them on the tree. He never batted them back. he was too gentle. He knew he could squash them if he wanted too, but he didn't want to hurt them. I'm in shock for Snowball, and I guess Flavia, tho she has been so ill, and I need to process it. Please send prayers for my remaining Mickey and Momcat. They are going to be feeling very down and scared, and I'm scared they'll stop eating. I haven't read your replies yet because I just got back, and I have to leave in 30 mins, and I haven't finished packing. But there were lots--I'm so grateful. I'll read them when I get back. love and hugs to all Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda I'm sorry, Kerry. If herPCV plummeted that fast, she probably either had a bleed somewhere or was killing off her own red blood cells (hemolytic anemia). That is what they told me with Simon when he went from 16 to 8 overnight. Michelle
July 5 update on Flavia
Hi everyone I'm sorry I've been out of touch---I've been going kinda crazy over Flavia's current illness and the logistics ofher being cared for medically while I'm gone. Hideyo, I hope George and Angel are doing better? I'm sending lots of healthy and positive visualization for them. Also, hope Bramble is doing ok. And Nina's Grace, and all the other sick or anxiety-causing kitties. I send all mybest wishes for their recovery. I've been dumbstruck by theincredible work done by Jenn,Tad and all the other rescuers who moved so swiftly to rescue the Angel Wings cats. Youguys are amazing. And thanks to all those who are offering to adopt. If I've missed anything and any sick kitty out--I think I've missed a digest along the way in the last 24 hours--I apologize, and send my best wishes. Wanted to let you all know we went to the vet again today for Flavia's PCV, and the count is now"between 16 and 17" --it was previously 17--so I was very relieved, since it could have been so much worse. (Everything is relative, right?) She did lose another ounce and a half :( --she's gone from 8lb 15 to 8lb 10 oz since she had her crisis and transfusion 2 weeks ago. So, no transfusion to consider right now :). She's doing pretty well in herself--eating, drinking, playing, snuggling andgoing inside the box. She was so good today, too--I caught her within a minute; and when we got to the vet she had to have blood taken TWICE because the vial or tube or whatever broke. And she hasn't gone to the bathroom in the carrier since the first vet visit. Backing up~~~I ordered ImmunoregulinEqstim this morning to be shipped overnight to Dr Dodin who was Flavia's vet and who is going to let me know tonight if she'll be able to do 4 housecalls to administer it while I'm gone--the total was around $50 inc shipping so i felt it was worth taking the chance that she will be able to do the calls. I've also spoken to yet another vet at Higgins, Dr Teuber, the one who saw Flavia today, about Immunoregulin (I emailed her the articles and Kyle's emails before the weekend). I liked her. She said she spent an hour on the web--including this website--at the weekend researching it. IF Dr Dodin can't do the housecalls, I'm going to speak to the petsitter first thing tomorrow about taking Flavia to the clinic to be treated with the IR by Dr Teuber.I realize it will be added stress, butI don't feel she can go unseen by avet for 2 1/2 weeksI'd order more IR and have it sent to Dr T. And I'd be calling Dr T right after that to set up a treatment schedule. But.I've also just been reading some archive material sent by Nina, and now I'm wondering about Procrit (see below--Belinda's email, I think?). Does anyone have any ideas on whichmight bebetter--Procrit or Immunoregulin? (I don't know how Flavia's anemia is caused--we haven't done a bone marrow test.) I only have until tomorrow to decide on which treatment--it's going to be difficult to communicate with vets etc once I leave tomorrow night. Dr T also said she could give another steroid shot (I've forgotten which one). It's been a harrowing few days...now I feel a little better because as well as her count being not too bad, I think it's almost certain I'll be able to have Flavia checked up while I'm gone. One good thing4-5 vets in Chicago are now much more aware of FelV and what can be done for it. They all seem very responsive to the printouts I email and thrust at them..thank goodness! Any more opinions are very welcome. Till later, love and hugs to you all Kerry I just wanted to remind everyone a little bit about the facts on Procrit. A lot of vets give people the impression that Procrit (and Epogen) are more risky for cats than the anemia that may be killing them. Thankfully, my specialist vet knew more about it and wasn't afraid to use it when it was needed. Cats do not "quickly develop antibodies" against it. Vets don't prescribe it until it is a last resort because there is a risk of developing antibodies, so they want to exhaust other means first. If they can keep the cat going for longer with B supplements and iron, or additional liver which contains a lot of iron, they will do that for as long as possible. However, when the cat is not longer making retics, and new red blood cells can't be made, Procrit is the only thing that can help them. They haven't developed one made out of cat blood, even though they started testing one, so, yes, there is a risk of antibodies being developed because it is made from human blood. However, even in the testing, the antibodies only developed in 30% of the cases. That means 70% of the cats never developed antibodies. And when they do develop antibodies, it usually is not for about four months. What happens is the Procrit quits working, so the cats HCT or PCV starts to drop again. So that means that if the cat does develop antibodies, he will at least have
RE: July 5 update on Flavia
Hi, Kerry, thank you very much for your update you must been so busy with getting ready for your trip and getting everything ready and taken care of for Flavia all I can say is that you are the best mom that Flavia (or any kitty for that matter) can have I am very proud of you, Kerry I am sorry, I dont know anything about Procrit but whatever you chose, please find out all the side effects which can be caused by either so that you are given all the information of pros and cons of both of them so that you can make the best decision for Flavia (sometimes, they might not be so open to tell possible side effects unless you really ask for it) Kerry, I just was thinking that do you already give V-B 12 shots to Flavia if not, it might be a good thing to give I give both Ginger and George 0.1 ml under skin and I know it will be helpful for anemia - Also, I know that you would like to give everything you can give to Flavia before you leave, but please try not to overwhelm her body with lots of new unfamiliar drugs her little body might not want to take it I was not sure if steroid is necessary? Steroid does cause serious side effects, too. Again, I am sorry, I am not probably understanding everything , but I just have to share what I know from my experience more drugs may not be necessary a good thing for a little body whose immune system is already compromised so whatever you do, please start a little by little, and one thing at a time, and slowly, especially, she is doing so good right now - but I trust that you will make a right decision Kerry, dont feel rush to start everything on Flavia before you leave for the trip, you are just a phone call away, you can always start give something if something happens to Flavia, as you seem to have a good relationship with your doctors (which is a blessing!!) thats the only advise I have I have lost a precious life once by giving too agressive with lots of drugs Is there anyway that you can get on line while you are gone so that we know whats going on with Flavia, Kerry? Kerry, please know that you and Flavia are always in my thought and I and all my 60 cats are going to pray for you both Love and hugs, Hideyo PS we will miss you so much!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: July 5 update on Flavia Hi everyone I'm sorry I've been out of touch---I've been going kinda crazy over Flavia's current illness and the logistics ofher being cared for medically while I'm gone. Hideyo, I hope George and Angel are doing better? I'm sending lots of healthy and positive visualization for them. Also, hope Bramble is doing ok. And Nina's Grace, and all the other sick or anxiety-causing kitties. I send all mybest wishes for their recovery. I've been dumbstruck by theincredible work done by Jenn,Tad and all the other rescuers who moved so swiftly to rescue the Angel Wings cats. Youguys are amazing. And thanks to all those who are offering to adopt. If I've missed anything and any sick kitty out--I think I've missed a digest along the way in the last 24 hours--I apologize, and send my best wishes. Wanted to let you all know we went to the vet again today for Flavia's PCV, and the count is nowbetween 16 and 17 --it was previously 17--so I was very relieved, since it could have been so much worse. (Everything is relative, right?) She did lose another ounce and a half :( --she's gone from 8lb 15 to 8lb 10 oz since she had her crisis and transfusion 2 weeks ago. So, no transfusion to consider right now :). She's doing pretty well in herself--eating, drinking, playing, snuggling andgoing inside the box. She was so good today, too--I caught her within a minute; and when we got to the vet she had to have blood taken TWICE because the vial or tube or whatever broke. And she hasn't gone to the bathroom in the carrier since the first vet visit. Backing up~~~I ordered ImmunoregulinEqstim this morning to be shipped overnight to Dr Dodin who was Flavia's vet and who is going to let me know tonight if she'll be able to do 4 housecalls to administer it while I'm gone--the total was around $50 inc shipping so i felt it was worth taking the chance that she will be able to do the calls. I've also spoken to yet another vet at Higgins, Dr Teuber, the one who saw Flavia today, about Immunoregulin (I emailed her the articles and Kyle's emails before the weekend). I liked her. She said she spent an hour on the web--including this website--at the weekend researching it. IF Dr Dodin can't do the housecalls, I'm going to speak to the petsitter first thing tomorrow about taking Flavia to the clinic to be treated with the IR by Dr Teuber.I realize it will be added stress, butI don't feel she can go unseen by avet for 2 1/2 weeksI'd order more IR and have it sent to Dr T. And I'd
Re: July 5 update on Flavia
Kerry, I do think Flavia is doing well, considering, but also think it is possible she will need a transfusion when you are gone. Is the pet sitter prepared regarding how to recognize this (lethargy, how to check for and recognize paleness, etc.) and get her to the vet, and do you know which vet clinic has blood on hand? As for procrit and I-R, I do not think they are an either/or. You could do both, I think. Procrit is for anemia that is caused by the kidneys not releasing a certain hormone that stimulates the bone marrow to produce red blood cells. Is Flavia regenerating red blood cells on her own? I would assume she is given how slowly her count is dropping, but I would ask. Procrit is normally only used where the cat is not regenerating blood cells, I think. Some cats have reactions, but normally reactions do not happen for a few months. Procrit takes a week or so to kick in. I-R stimulates the immune system, which is totally different. I would ask the vet what she thinks about administering both. It's possible you could be courting a drug interaction if you do it, I don't know. I hope that the I-R works for Flavia. Did you ask the vet about lymphocytes and whether she thinks Flavia has leukemia like Brissle did? Or lymphoma? I would doubt lymphoma because of how well she is doing otherwise, but leukemia is a possibility I think. Please keep us updated! Michelle
Re: July 5 update on Flavia
I don't have any advice on procrit or immunoregulin. I 'think' the immunoregulin would not be as effective as the procrit myself. But if Flavia's numbers are holding and she still weighs 8 pounds I think she's doing very well! tKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I'm sorry I've been out of touch---I've been going kinda crazy over Flavia's current illness and the logistics ofher being cared for medically while I'm gone. If the anemia is not below 18%, usually Procrit is not needed yet. Jean-Luc's HCT was actually down to 13% before he was put on Procrit. They do a blood test after it gets below 20%, and that tells them if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative. If it is still regenerative, meaning they are making red blood cells, then Procrit would not help. If it is non-regenerative, then Procrit (or Epogen) is needed, because without replacing that building block, the cat will die in very short order. I don't want people whose cats need it to be afraid to give Procrit. I learned some of this from my specialist vet, who does a good job of explaining things, and some from the Feline anemia list, where there is a lot of great information." PS. I asked my vet about this too and she said she didn't know of any positive cats that had tried it, she didn't know if it would work or not, but said if Bailey ever came down with anemia that wasn't due to hemobartenella she would certainly give it a try if I wanted to and I most certainly would. When cats get non-regenerative anemia they are going to die it is only a matter if time, and I wouldn't hesitate to try something that may possibly save Bailey since the only other option is certain death. jpgcQE2a6wEEU.jpg Description: JPEG image
Re: July 5 update on Flavia
Procrit would be more effective IF the problem Flavia has is that her kidneys are not releasing the hormone. If her problem is something else, then the procrit will do nothing. The I-R's workings is still somewhat of a mystery to everyone, it seems, so it is worth trying for everything other than auto-immune disease and cancer. Which actually makes me think of a potential downside of I-R. If Flavia's anemia is caused by her killing off her own red blood cells in an auto-immune reaction, I think the I-R could possibly make that worse by stimulating her immune system more. But it could possibly help too, depending on which part of the immune system it stimulates. B cells are immune cells that are "killer cells," and when they get out of control it is caused an auto-immune disease and they start attacking the body itself, like red blood cells. However, T cells are immune cells which, among other things, regulate B cells and keep them under control. So even if it is an auto-immune disorder, the I-R could still help if it strengthens T cells rather than B cells. When I spoke to Mike Lies, the author of those articles, on the phone a few years ago, I think he said that he thinks the I-R affects T cells, not B cells. I don't know. Auto-immune disorders are controlled by steroids, like dex and depo, which Flavia has gotten. Just to add more confusion to the pot... Michelle In a message dated 7/5/05 10:32:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't have any advice on procrit or immunoregulin. I 'think' the immunoregulin would not be as effective as the procrit myself. But if Flavia's numbers are holding and she still weighs 8 pounds I think she's doing very well! t
RE: Flavia won't take her antibiotic compound chew
Title: Message Kerry, could she get an injection of Baytril instead? When I had my Hannibal almost blocked (urinary tract infection), my vet gave him an injection of baytrill (which you can only give every 10 days only as an injection) I was so afraid of bayril, because I lost my little Henry after giving him a pill of baytrill (some really bad reaction) he died within 72 hours - anyway, I tried to take a chance with Hannibal (asked the vet to give him a very conservation amount) and I was supposed to follow up with pills, but of course, it was impossible to do so because he was very feral but the one injection took care of him and he got better and never had the infection again. Also, I know I am supposed to, but I never give my cats antibiotics more than 1 or two days anyway, partly because I am paranoid, partly because I think it does what it needs to do according to my holistic vet, they are way too much in terms of the period they prescribe for - I do also have a couple of living examples - there are a couple of times, where I found my feral got infected from fight or something, and he got so skinny and he couldnt walk because the infection was so bad but couldnt take him to a vet, so I put a pink amox in his food while he had an appetite, and after just one dosage, he completely recovered amazing! So, if you can give once or twice before you leave, I am really optimistic that she will not get any bacterial infection. Kerry, I wish I could watch Flavia for you while you are gone and I am sorry that you have to go who will be taking care of her while you are gone? Does she have to be at the vet the whole time? Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Flavia won't take her antibiotic compound chew Today's Flavia's last chance to start the 10-day Baytril course before I have to go to UK (trip is very very bad timing). I can't hold her to pill her so I'm totally dependent onenticing her to eat it. Even if there were 2 of us, it wd involve chasing, which is not good. Have tried giving it to her straight; tried mashing it in homemade chicken broth, tuna juice, A/D. Have tried withholding food for 12 hours (which means all of them have to wait).. She doesn't wantanything to do with it.It's preventive measure on the vet's part, so I may just have to pray she does NOT get an infection. I'm desperate--any ideas? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chicken Michelle, while I agree that chicken does not have all the nutrition required for a cat but I really dont feel that its gong to hurt Bramble at all I am saying that because I have a couple of living examples at my house - and they are all doing well (Ginger only eats baby food chicken or ham or etc..) if you can give some supplement separately, I am sure that its going to be helpful Also, Michelle, please be confident that as a mother of Bramble, you know how he is doing more than a vet or anyone else just continue to feed what he likes to eat for now I really feel that its more important than anything else. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:29 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chicken So pleased that George and Flavia are getting along ok - prayers that the continue on the path to prolonged quality of life. Stephanie - I'm horrified at the thought of a vet trying to kill any animal by overdosing although as Hiyedo said I'm sure there are many who just don't know and just do what they think they know (which is wrong) and make fatal mistakes without even knowing. Scarily I've come across in humans with my job. I have been conducting interviews with intensive care medical for the last year for a research project - and I'm now writing up the results. One of the people involved is the regional Intesive care manager and to hear what goes on is scary - I don't want my family on the intensive car unit. The amount of mistakes that the medical staff make with drugs and doses has led to many fatalities or decline in condition. I think this will happen when ever medicine is concerned. Half the time they guess to appear that they know what they are doing - very scary I have a question about chicken - as I was told here thankfully that chicken doesn't have everything cats need which makes sense and because | can't bare to make the nutritous broth - if Bramble continued to eat about 6 large slices of chicken per day plus a whiskers pouch and biscuits 2 times a day and a general feline supplement - would he be safely getting what he needs. ( He has eaten nearly two full pouches of food today
Re: Flavia won't take her antibiotic compound chew
Kerry, Could you hold her and syringe a liquid? I'm trying to remember if Baytril is one of the ones that tastes really bad, maybe, since Flavia's having nothing to do with it. I do remember that Baytril is one of the broad-spectrum antibiotics. Ask your vet if there is something else she could prescribe that Flavia might eat. How large is the pill? Crushing it, unless it doesn't taste bad, only releases more flavor and odor. Could you put it in a gel cap and then wrap it in something that she'll wolf down? I used cooked liver molded around the gelcap and hidden in a small bowl of liver to get Gypsy to eat pills. Have you been hand feeding? Maybe if you hide it in the gel cap and food, you could toss it to her with the rest of her treats and she'd eat it. Try not to stress sweetheart, it's possible that she doesn't even need it, (since it's precautionary). How about an infectable, that your house-call vet could give once or twice? Would a shot of Penicillin serve the same purpose? You must be so upset at having to leave while Flavia is in trouble. My prayers are with your family. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Today's Flavia's last chance to start the 10-day Baytril course before I have to go to UK (trip is very very bad timing). I can't hold her to pill her so I'm totally dependent on enticing her to eat it. Even if there were 2 of us, it wd involve chasing, which is not good. Have tried giving it to her straight; tried mashing it in homemade chicken broth, tuna juice, A/D. Have tried withholding food for 12 hours (which means all of them have to wait).. She doesn't want anything to do with it. It's preventive measure on the vet's part, so I may just have to pray she does NOT get an infection. I'm desperate--any ideas?
RE: Flavia won't take her antibiotic compound chew
Thanks Nina for all the ideas and kind words. Hmm, I'll try the gel cap idea. I bought some liver already. No, I can't hold her at all. Not now that she's recovered. Because she's feral I got the Baytril in compound chew form--tuna flavored, $50 worth, little scamp. The feral cats have always had to have their pills in chew form. In the early days I had no trouble luring them to their bowl to eat them--I think it was Doxy chews she had in the past, I don't know if that's what's making the difference. I'll speak to the vet on Wed about it. It's the last day I'll have the nice vet--then she leaves, too far for me to follow. Thanks for your prayers, Nina---Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Flavia won't take her antibiotic compound chew Kerry, Could you hold her and syringe a liquid? I'm trying to remember if Baytril is one of the ones that tastes really bad, maybe, since Flavia's having nothing to do with it. I do remember that Baytril is one of the broad-spectrum antibiotics. Ask your vet if there is something else she could prescribe that Flavia might eat. How large is the pill? Crushing it, unless it doesn't taste bad, only releases more flavor and odor. Could you put it in a gel cap and then wrap it in something that she'll wolf down? I used cooked liver molded around the gelcap and hidden in a small bowl of liver to get Gypsy to eat pills. Have you been hand feeding? Maybe if you hide it in the gel cap and food, you could toss it to her with the rest of her treats and she'd eat it. Try not to stress sweetheart, it's possible that she doesn't even need it, (since it's precautionary). How about an infectable, that your house-call vet could give once or twice? Would a shot of Penicillin serve the same purpose? You must be so upset at having to leave while Flavia is in trouble. My prayers are with your family. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Today's Flavia's last chance to start the 10-day Baytril course before I have to go to UK (trip is very very bad timing). I can't hold her to pill her so I'm totally dependent on enticing her to eat it. Even if there were 2 of us, it wd involve chasing, which is not good. Have tried giving it to her straight; tried mashing it in homemade chicken broth, tuna juice, A/D. Have tried withholding food for 12 hours (which means all of them have to wait).. She doesn't want anything to do with it. It's preventive measure on the vet's part, so I may just have to pray she does NOT get an infection. I'm desperate--any ideas? hr pfont color=#99 size=+1 face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serifstrongMayer, Brown, Rowe amp; Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center,/strong/fontfont color=#99 face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: /font/pa href=http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp;http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp/a Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. hr This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: latest on Flavia
Took Flavia for another blood test today, and her countis maintained at 21. So that's a relief, for today at any rate. Have scheduled another bloodwork appointment for Wednesday. (I have a suspicion that she is still craving litter--she was sniffing it this morning and may have eaten some.) I had to chase her today to catch her--not good. She was easy to handle at the vet, though--she always is. My biggest concern is that I have to go to UK July 6-22. Really, really bad timing. I am really anxious that I be with her if she relapses again. My feeling is that she is living on borrowed time, and if the worst does come to the worstI want to be with her.The vet said they could give her another steroid shot (before I leave). Thanks for all your good wishes--please keep sending them. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Flavia further update That is great news about Flavia-- amazing actually-- at least tentatively. From 7.5 to 21 in a matter of 2 days is truly amazing. I wish so much that when Simon crashed at the end, with a hematocrit of 8, that he had let them put the catheter in to transfuse him. He had been so traumatized by them sticking him a lot one time that he fought it every time after that, and when his hematocrit was 8 he could not breathe while fighting and they said he would die from the fighting and not breathing and would not transfuse him. I wish I had tried to get them to, or to tranquilize him or something. I did not think getting up to 21 was a likely outcome from a HCT that low, but Flavia shows that is wrong. God, I hope that she pulls through this. Michelle
Re: latest on Flavia
I actually think that is good in a way-- it means that she has the energy to run from you! Michelle In a message dated 6/25/05 2:54:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: had to chase her today to catch her--not good. She was easy to handle at the vet, though--she always is.
Re: Flavia further update
She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't sure she's the same kitty anymore - the smell will wear off. This happens with my boys when they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked on by the one who stayed home and it's because they smell different.Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to replyto your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocritwas up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: Flavia further update
Kerry, It's good news that Flavia is feeling better, you know how much I pray that it continues. As far as the others not welcoming her back with open arms... Remember, she stinks! She has that strong vet hospital smell on her that is very upsetting to kitties. Even the best, most loving friends will hiss when the get a whiff of that nasty smell. They'll calm down when the stink wears off. I know how busy you are, thank you for keeping us informed as best you can. Blessings and prayers, Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry
RE: Flavia further update
Thank you Nina---that's reassured me. I hate to see her effectively still isolated, poor little thing. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Flavia further update Kerry, It's good news that Flavia is feeling better, you know how much I pray that it continues. As far as the others not welcoming her back with open arms... Remember, she stinks! She has that strong vet hospital smell on her that is very upsetting to kitties. Even the best, most loving friends will hiss when the get a whiff of that nasty smell. They'll calm down when the stink wears off. I know how busy you are, thank you for keeping us informed as best you can. Blessings and prayers, Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry hr pfont color=#99 size=+1 face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serifstrongMayer, Brown, Rowe amp; Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center,/strong/fontfont color=#99 face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: /font/pa href=http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp;http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp/a Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. hr This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Flavia update
Title: Message Thank you Hideyo! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Flavia further update
If there's any way you could rub a towel or blanket or something the others have been sleeping on onto flavia it might help. Being feral, I doubt you can do that though. This has happened with me before, but it usually only lasts a few hours. Being feral, your cats are probably more 'suspicious' though. I think the bandage is fine. I hope the hemocrit is good tomorrow! tonya"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's such a pity. She could do with some RR with the others. And she's back at the vet tomorrow, so this shunning could go on and on! It was so sweet, too, to hear her squeak when she got home last night--being feral, they're pretty silent all the time of course. I like to think she was squeaking with excitement. She only did it once, and then again this morning--I slept in their room, and it was a single squeak from her that woke me up. She was looking right at me when I opened my eyes. She wasn't so keen any more to let me touch her, and I haven't been able to get the bandage off her leg yet. Q: If I have to leave it till I get to the vet tomorrow will that be ok? I don't want to stress her unnecessarily, and she's much more manageable when she's at the vet. AnotherQ (mainly because the nice-to-Flavia vet won't be there tomorrow and I don't know the one who's taken over) re frequency of checking hematocrit levels after a transfusion and being put on Dep, Dex and Baytril (as is the case with Flavia). I've forgotten what the vet may have said--whether the test should be run once, twice or three times a week. What do you guys think? Thanks! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:08 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Flavia further update She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't sure she's the same kitty anymore - the smell will wear off. This happens with my boys when they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked on by the one who stayed home and it's because they smell different.Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to replyto your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocritwas up to 21.So,, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases
RE: Flavia further update
Another thing you might do is wash all the bedding in the room they're all in to get 'out' their familiar smells so they may be more amiable to Flavia's antiseptic smell. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion might be biased (I have a bad experience in the past) my personal policy has been that I dont leave my cats or dogs for that matter especially, if they are feral at the vet unless I have to do so absolutely they often times discount the impact of stress caused by being there my experience is unless they have to be on IV or something and thats critical to their treatment and has to be monitored, my animals recover better at home. if there are something I can do myself I will do so or if not, ask them to come to my house and do so. I reinforced my belief when I took in George, too they eat better and they can sleep better when they are at the place the know its home sometimes, you can control the situation at the vet, there are always some noise, emergency, people talking loud..etc..they get so nervous, but they dont know that is stressing the animals as they are busy taking care of their appointments and these things will add to the stress which will effect their recovery. I was reading someones letter on line the other day about a cat getting transfusion (I dont think this was a feLV cat) at the vet, and she brought the cat back to the vet next day, and she left her there for additional check ups sometime during the process, something happened to, and the kitty stopped breathing and couldnt bring her back they did not know exactly what
Re: Flavia further update
That is great news about Flavia-- amazing actually-- at least tentatively. >From 7.5 to 21 in a matter of 2 days is truly amazing. I wish so much that when Simon crashed at the end, with a hematocrit of 8, that he had let them put the catheter in to transfuse him. He had been so traumatized by them sticking him a lot one time that he fought it every time after that, and when his hematocrit was 8 he could not breathe while fighting and they said he would die from the fighting and not breathing and would not transfuse him. I wish I had tried to get them to, or to tranquilize him or something. I did not think getting up to 21 was a likely outcome from a HCT that low, but Flavia shows that is wrong. God, I hope that she pulls through this. Michelle
Flavia, George and Bramble
I hope Flavia and George are doing ok - I will keep praying for them. Jenn how is bones doing - hope he is ok too? As for my furboy - Bramble ate nearly a full pouch of whiskers cat food this morning along with 3 slices of chicken and I was so proud of him - he even came out and ate the cat food out of his own bowl on the floor besides Minstrel and Buddy. I still had to hand the chicken but he deserved that treat. He has not been eating from his bowl on the floor for a week or so now so this was a great sight to see - I have been picking him up and putting him the sofa next to me to feed him but he fed himself almost like normal this morning. He is urinating and drinking more so I was a little concerned about his kidneys but saying that it has been hot and he hasn't had much wet food which will make him need to drink more and his tablets often make cats pee more so I'm hoping. More blood tests I feel at this delicate time would be too stressful for him - I think it's important he starts to feel comfortable and safe. He had a long purr when I was petting after his breakfast - bless him. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
RE: Flavia update
Dear Kerry, I am sorry, I have been behind reading emails I am so sorry that Flavia has anemia I will be praying so hard that she will recover very very soon please keep me posted with her progress. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being well will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
RE: Flavia update
Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being well will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
Re: Flavia further update
Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to replyto your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocritwas up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
Re: Flavia further update
Kerry, Positive thoughts coming your way, I am sure th eothers just need some time to adjust again, all will be well, I am sure of it, hang in there. Cherie Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to replyto your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocritwas up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry Have a purrfect day Cherie
Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, shehad already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place wasobnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothinghad happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and soI told them politely thatI was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. Kerry
RE: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Title: Message Kerry, Paws and fingers crossed thatFlavia will be just fine! Joan -Original Message-From: Kerry MacKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:24 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia not well, please send good wishes Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, shehad already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place wasobnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothinghad happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and soI told them politely thatI was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. Kerry
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
How frustrating for you! So, poor Flavia made a trip to the vet for nothing? Wasn't that amazing that she went in the carrier by herself? At least the experience, although I'm sure scary, wasn't too traumatic for her. You must be exhausted. Flavia and you are in my prayers that she feels better soon. I'll send you my doc of all the suggestions for anemia that I've pasted from the list. Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, she had already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place was obnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothing had happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and so I told them politely that I was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. Kerry
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Strength and health coming to Flavia and you too! That's really unfortunate about that other clinic, but at least now you know.. Once again, I'm so glad I have my vets - they aren't open on the weekends, but they are open at 730a with a vet getting there at 8. Good luck!Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, shehad already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place wasobnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothinghad happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and soI told them politely thatI was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. KerryBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Thanks Carla. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes Kerry I will keep Flavia in my thoughts today and prayers tonight. Carla
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Title: Message Thank you, Joan. - Original Message - From: Doljan, Joan To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Flavia not well, please send good wishes Kerry, Paws and fingers crossed thatFlavia will be just fine! Joan -Original Message-From: Kerry MacKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:24 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia not well, please send good wishes Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, shehad already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place wasobnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothinghad happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and soI told them politely thatI was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. Kerry
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Thanks Gloria. Yes, I'm always amazed by badly behaved animal clinic people. I felt bad about taking poor Flavia there. It wasn't what I expected--at all. - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes I've had some vets suck experiences when I've had crises, too. I'm so sorry you're encountering this. I'm sending my prayers and good wishes for you and Flavia. Gloria At 09:24 AM 6/22/2005, you wrote: Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, she had already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place was obnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothing had happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and so I told them politely that I was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. Kerry
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Thanks Barb. Yes, it was a bad experience. But past similar experience with my FeLV kitty cats gave me the resolve not to put up withit this time. I think it wasthe obnoxious receptionist'snegative reaction when I said (as an afterthought) that Flavia was also feral that did it. I hung on for a bit nonetheless to see how the vet's attitude was--maybe it would redress the balance--then when neither vet nor acknowledgement of long wait was forthcoming, decided we'd waited long enough. I'm glad we left. We got the nice vet who knows Flavia, and she'll have the full blood results tonight. - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes Strength and health coming to Flavia and you too! That's really unfortunate about that other clinic, but at least now you know.. Once again, I'm so glad I have my vets - they aren't open on the weekends, but they are open at 730a with a vet getting there at 8. Good luck!Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, shehad already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place wasobnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothinghad happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and soI told them politely thatI was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. KerryBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Yahoo! SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: Flavia not well, please send good wishes
Kerry, Keep us posted. I hope Flavia is feeling better now and you got to see your vet. tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I've been up most of night with Flavia. I noticed she wasn't moving much last night, and didn't appear to want to eat. When I tried coaxing her with a treat, she went into the box and ate some litter instead. Not good. Then she defecated outside the box 2 or 3 times. I stayed with her all night, fell asleep for a couple of hours and when i woke up, shehad already jumped into the new carrier (only the top door was open--not the front door). So I gently closed it, and took her to a place i haven't used but has a good reputation, when they opened at 8am. I got the impression from their website last night that they could do bloodwork tests in situ and I could walk out with the result -- I then planned to take the result to my old vet who has always treated Flavia (but I know for a fact does have to send out for results and also didn't open until 9am). However this is not nec the case it turned out (that they can do all bloodwork tests in-house). I said I would clarify it with the vet i saw. The receptionist/vibe at the new place wasobnoxious! However I waited for the promised vet. They weren't busy. At 8.45 when nothinghad happened I decided Flavia deserved much better than that and soI told them politely thatI was leaving and taking her elsewhere. Now I'm waiting for my old vet to call me back Please send lots of good wishes for Flavia. Kerry
Flavia and George
Sorry I am behind in my postings! I am praying for George and Flavia... I don't know anything about what to give them to help, but I will be sending lots of positive thoughts their ways... I pray for everyone on this list and their kitties- I hope you all know what great things you do. Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Flavia update
Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
Re: Flavia update
Hi Kerry, I'm sorry to hear about the anemia. I would want to rule out hemobart just to be sure. I hope Flavia gets to come home first thing. Be sure to give some extra pats to Katyis too! take care, tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
Re: Flavia update
Kerry, I have not been reading posts regularly, and just learned of Flavia. I am so sorry. it is so strange the way we seem to deal with the same things-- me with lymphoma over and over and you with inexplicable anemia. I would try Immuno-regulin too. The article on this group's web page says that the vet who wrote it has seen even severe anemia in positive cats turn around with it. I don't know if it is true, but it is worth a shot. I would test for hemobart too. I would also ask about doing depo and dexamethasone shot to start, then pred when the dex wears off, like the next day. Dex is much faster and stronger than pred, so if steroids are needed and she is in critical shape it makes sense to give her dex I think rather than just depo and pred, both of which take days to kick in. You can give depo and dex at the same time. the dex is out of the system by the time the depo kicks in. I have done it many times. That said, 7.5 is so low. I am pulling for her. And you. Michelle
