Re: OT: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-20 Thread Beth Noren
My crew of born-in-a-brush-pile kitties acted like that at first.  They were
7-8 weeks old when we brought them into our house.  We had them quarantined
in our bedroom, got a positve FELV test, and kept them in there until we
could run a confirming test 3 months later, and get our adult kitty
vaccinated and boostered.  So they were locked in with us a lng time.
They hid under the bed for the first couple of weeks, then finally began
playing with wand toys.  It was a big deal the first time they chased the
toy up onto my lap.  Even after they came out of quarantine, we shook a
treat bag to get them to get them to come back for bedtime.  Now they are
total mushballs, even Miss Moxie, who was the hissiest, spittinist one of
the bunch.  If it's possible, I think confinement in your bedroom is
perfect, because your in there for long stretches of time every day and your
pretty non-threatening while your sleeping.  Well, it's perfect for the
kittens, anyway.  Once they warm up to you and decide
1-4 AM is play time, it gets a little rough...

Good luck,
Beth



On Dec 19, 2007 3:59 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are
 estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost
 3 lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this
 man's farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details,
 but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so
 they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into
 the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught
 and brought to me.  So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to
 get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can
 be socialized enough to be adopted out.  If not, they will have to
 re-released to the barn.  She doesn't have the time/resources to take on
 this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest
 kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens-
 that's my forte!  And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen
 in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I
 have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted!
 The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and
 he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on
 me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight
 darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through
 a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they
 are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't show-ready yet so
 I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).

 Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than
 just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're
 not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if
 you didn't touch them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick
 them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball
 and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and
 don't engage.  So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling
 little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if
 you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd
 never find them again.  It's like they go into survival mode when you hold
 them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things
 are dying on the inside while you are doing it!  They never purr when I
 scratch them or handle them.  They will hiss sometimes when they first see
 me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore
 it.  Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave
 them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with
 feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing.


 *Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting
 them to engage with people- and even like them?  *I hold them together as
 a group all wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by
 them all having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored
 only one of them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and
 easier to hold than the other two.  It's actually really sad to see the
 effect that that favoritism had on these babies!  *I just want to be doing
 all that I can b/c if they can't be socialized, they will have to be
 released and I will feel like it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't
 fail here.   *It would be especially sad b/c these little things are cute
 cute!  They have those big round apple heads and pudgy faces and huge
 round eyes and they have medium fur that is 

OT: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are 
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 
lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's 
farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details, but after 
they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were 
noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into the house as 
far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. 
 So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out 
of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to 
be adopted out.  If not, they will have to re-released to the barn.  She 
doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was 
given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  
But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte!  And these babies are the 
healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the 
by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since 
Sept. have been adopted!  The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he 
thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little 
booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little 
struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that 
we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, 
even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't 
show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).  
 
Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than just 
generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're not really 
wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch 
them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the 
scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind 
of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage.  So 
people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things 
you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if you put them on the 
ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again.  
It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they 
are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while 
you are doing it!  They never purr when I scratch them or handle them.  They 
will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach for them, but it's really 
baby hissing and I totally ignore it.  Of course, they are scared of sounds and 
some toys I originally gave them, but we are making headway now b/c they love 
the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the 
purpose of playing.  
 
Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to 
engage with people- and even like them?  I hold them together as a group all 
wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all 
having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of 
them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold 
than the other two.  It's actually really sad to see the effect that that 
favoritism had on these babies!  I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if 
they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like 
it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't fail here.   It would be especially 
sad b/c these little things are cute cute!  They have those big round apple 
heads and pudgy faces and huge round eyes and they have medium fur that is 
really fluffy and poufy- very distinctive looking and I know if they didn't 
have people issues right now, they would literally fly off the shelves at 
adoption day!  They look little bear cubs basically...insanely cute!
 
Suggestions very welcome at this point!
thanks,
Caroline  
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Re: OT: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
You're actually off to a very good start.  
   
  - Keep holding and petting, whether they admit to liking it or not, and keep 
the feathery toys handy.  
  - Keep them in a very small space so you can easily get your hands on them.  
  - Add a little meat baby food to your repertoire, especially the chicken, 
turkey and ham flavors.  You want to follow up petting sessions with a really 
special treat.  I actually have them lick the baby food off my fingertips.  
Gets them even more accustomed to hands.
  - Also, whatever space you have them in, play music very softly and/or leave 
on a television set to a low volume.  Gets them more used to human voices.
  - Patience and persistence
  - Also, join the feral cat list at 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ and read through the very 
extensive files section on taming.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }My other issue is that is took in 3 
female barn kittens last Sat.  We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got 
spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs).  They were born in a barn in 
Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the 
barn.  I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started 
coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his 
daughter.  They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in 
the barn until they were caught and brought to me.  So my contact at the 
adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter 
cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out.  If 
not, they will have to re-released to the barn.  She doesn't have the 
time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and
 number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  But I'm a 
rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte!  And these babies are the healthiest 
lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 
7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have 
been adopted!  The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm 
his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is 
growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling 
underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone 
through a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho 
they are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't show-ready yet 
so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).  
 
Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than just 
generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're not really 
wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch 
them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the 
scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind 
of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage.  So 
people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things 
you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if you put them on the 
ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again.  
It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they 
are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while 
you are doing it!  They never purr when I scratch them or handle them.  They 
will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach
 for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore it.  Of course, 
they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave them, but we are 
making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get 
them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing.  
 
Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to 
engage with people- and even like them?  I hold them together as a group all 
wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all 
having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of 
them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold 
than the other two.  It's actually really sad to see the effect that that 
favoritism had on these babies!  I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if 
they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like 
it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't fail here.   It would be especially 
sad b/c these little things are cute cute!  They have those big round apple 
heads and pudgy faces and huge round eyes and they have medium fur that is 
really fluffy and poufy- very distinctive looking and I know if they didn't 
have people issues right now, they would literally fly off the
 

Re: OT: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread MaryChristine
yeah, what susan just said. i will go and sit in the room with them,
too, with some absolutely irresistable toy and make an absolute fool out of
myself playing with it, ignoring them all the while. often the temptation to
play is just TOO great to resist i won't try to force contact on them
(unless it's a situation where they really are close to feral, but we need
to be able to tame them JUST enough in case of medical need, when one goes
for the welding gloves, and forced-fondling--specially around the ears or
base of tail, so they can bite and scratch and hiss all they want til it
clicks that, hey, this feels really GOOD). i let them play, and let THEM
make the first moves.

i will also take a good book in with me, and just become a piece of
furniture--understanding that, for some kitties who aren't born housecats,
that's all any human will really be.




On Dec 19, 2007 4:19 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You're actually off to a very good start.

 - Keep holding and petting, whether they admit to liking it or not, and
 keep the feathery toys handy.
 - Keep them in a very small space so you can easily get your hands on
 them.
 - Add a little meat baby food to your repertoire, especially the chicken,
 turkey and ham flavors.  You want to follow up petting sessions with a
 really special treat.  I actually have them lick the baby food off my
 fingertips.  Gets them even more accustomed to hands.
 - Also, whatever space you have them in, play music very softly and/or
 leave on a television set to a low volume.  Gets them more used to human
 voices.
 - Patience and persistence
 - Also, join the feral cat list at
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ and read through the very
 extensive files section on taming.


 *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are
 estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost
 3 lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this
 man's farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details,
 but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so
 they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into
 the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught
 and brought to me.  So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to
 get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can
 be socialized enough to be adopted out.  If not, they will have to
 re-released to the barn.  She doesn't have the time/resources to take on
 this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest
 kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens-
 that's my forte!  And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen
 in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I
 have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted!
 The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and
 he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on
 me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight
 darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through
 a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they
 are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't show-ready yet so
 I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).

 Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than
 just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're
 not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if
 you didn't touch them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick
 them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball
 and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and
 don't engage.  So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling
 little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if
 you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd
 never find them again.  It's like they go into survival mode when you hold
 them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things
 are dying on the inside while you are doing it!  They never purr when I
 scratch them or handle them.  They will hiss sometimes when they first see
 me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore
 it.  Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave
 them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with
 feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing.


 *Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting
 them to engage with people- and even like them?  *I hold them together as
 a group all wrapped up in a towel-