Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake

2008-01-28 Thread Marylyn
On this:  Numerous years ago my vet called in a prescription for Ebony 
Thomas Katt.the drugstore got the dose wrong big time.  (Yes, I 
am sure it was the drugstore).


A year or so the vet called in a drug for worms for my ferals.  The 
drugstore (another one to be sure) copied down a drug for cancer.


I suspect we need to double check and then check again when it comes to our 
furry family members.









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exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
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From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake


Computer error???  It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary mistake'  and 
rather than honesty and responsibility,

 she is playing defense, which is equally scary.
I would stop the Metronidazole.  It seems that Ember had a violent 
reaction to the overdose and needs time to
process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool 
normal?  I do not understand why the vet is

prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her diagnosis?

I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there  any 
way you can contact her or get a referral
for a vet who has experience with FeLK.  I would not trust someone  who 
resorts to the 'computer error' card.


How is Ember now? How have her stools been?
Fingers still crossed.
Jane






On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote:

I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling 
Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say  with 
any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's  lungs 
sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be  a likely 
component in causing something like that. I'll just be  paying close 
attention to see if it happens again.


It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember  had 
been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little  fishy to 
me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out  and placed on 
the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice  a day. The vet 
told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a  day. She also 
indicated that this is a small dose. She said that  this is a computer 
error, but she also *told* me before I left that  it was two pills twice 
a day. I wonder when she was planning on  calling me about this!


I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will  not 
give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to  do in 
general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of  education 
and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet  is not exactly 
sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a  year and a half ago, 
another vet (who is now our normal vet)  prescribed one 50mg 
Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me  five or so to give (i 
never did).


Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people,  and 
has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an  animal's nervous 
system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion.  I just don't want to 
haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts?



Lance









Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake

2008-01-26 Thread Jane Lyons
Computer error???  It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary mistake'  
and rather than honesty and responsibility,

 she is playing defense, which is equally scary.
I would stop the Metronidazole.  It seems that Ember had a violent  
reaction to the overdose and needs time to
process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool  
normal?  I do not understand why the vet is

prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her diagnosis?

I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there  
any way you can contact her or get a referral
for a vet who has experience with FeLK.  I would not trust someone  
who resorts to the 'computer error' card.


How is Ember now? How have her stools been?
Fingers still crossed.
Jane






On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote:

I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling  
Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say  
with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's  
lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be  
a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be  
paying close attention to see if it happens again.


It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember  
had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little  
fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out  
and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice  
a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a  
day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that  
this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that  
it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on  
calling me about this!


I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will  
not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to  
do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of  
education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet  
is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a  
year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet)  
prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me  
five or so to give (i never did).


Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people,  
and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an  
animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion.  
I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts?



Lance






Re: Ember and loose stools

2008-01-26 Thread catatonya
Lance,
   
  I hope this message finds Ember feeling better.  Sometimes cats just get 
diarrhea from something they ate and it takes a while to get their system back 
on track.
  t

Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi everyone,

Last Saturday night, I came home to find a very large, very odorous,
completely unformed
poop in the box. Other than having soiled pants, Ember seemed fine. I
held back food
for about twelve hours, and then gave her a normal can but a small
amount of dry food.

She had another, similar bm on Monday morning, though the smell was
greatly reduced.
I stopped the dry food, but kept her on her Wellness cans. I'm just
feeding more of it to
make up for the loss of dry food.

Tuesday, I spoke with my usual vet's husband (who is also a vet; my vet
just had a baby),
and he thought it might be bacterial overgrowth or something caused by
Ember eating
something she shouldn't have. The latter is certainly possible, as Ember
sometimes seems
to like to eat bits of fluff and fuzz off the floor (and *someone*
doesn't vacuum as regularly
as he should... that would be me). He suggested pumpkin, which I've been
stirring into
her Wellness. She's eating it pretty well, which leads me to mention
that her appetite is
good.

Last night, Ember had a smaller, unformed poop. I looked a lot more
closely at this one. 
There was a little dot of bright red blood, but that was all I could
find. The color was a dark
brown green. This poop was less smelly than either of the last two. I
was so hopeful that the
pumpkin would take care of this, or at least give her stools some form.

I should mention that Ember is not acting differently in any way. She
eats normally, and she's
affectionate and very playful. 

So, right now I'm pretty nervous. I've made an appointment to see the
vet, but I obviously can't
see the vet who really knows Ember, and her husband is booked solid
today. The vet we'll be
seeing is someone I don't even know. Any thoughts on what I should ask
or try to have her tested
for? I'll definitely have a CBC, as Ember's due for that. Also, the vet
mentioned treating with antibiotic,
but he also mentioned treating with something with activated charcoal in
it (it started with a d). What
should I be expecting?

I also ask that you keep Ember and I in your thoughts and prayers. 


Lance
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake

2008-01-26 Thread Lance
I had a call in to the same vet late yesterday afternoon, and she got  
back to me earlier this morning. I wanted to clarify the doses, after  
doing some reading that alarmed me about Metronidazole. I don't want  
to give Ember more than she needs (or any, if it can be helped). I'm  
mostly okay with the outcome of the conversation.


The vet wants me to only give Ember one 50mg pill a day, and only  
through Monday. I gave her the dose for today, so she only has two  
more. That seems more realistic to me. Given that Ember showed high  
bacterial overgrowth on her test, it will hopefully help to alleviate  
that, but it won't be going for so long (and with doses so high) as  
I'd originally been told.


Ember is doing well as far as her behavior goes. I'm hoping to get her  
to snuggle down for a nap in a few minutes. She had a small but solid  
bm last night, and I'll probably try to get her back on a little dry  
food tomorrow. I'm really glad she likes to eat pumpkin!


Thanks to all for your concern. It's a comfort to have you on my side  
when things aren't going so well.



Lance

On Jan 26, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:

Computer error???  It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary  
mistake' and rather than honesty and responsibility,

she is playing defense, which is equally scary.
I would stop the Metronidazole.  It seems that Ember had a violent  
reaction to the overdose and needs time to
process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool  
normal?  I do not understand why the vet is
prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her  
diagnosis?


I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there  
any way you can contact her or get a referral
for a vet who has experience with FeLK.  I would not trust someone  
who resorts to the 'computer error' card.


How is Ember now? How have her stools been?
Fingers still crossed.
Jane






On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote:

I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling  
Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say  
with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's  
lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be  
a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be  
paying close attention to see if it happens again.


It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember  
had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little  
fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out  
and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice  
a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a  
day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that  
this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that  
it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on  
calling me about this!


I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will  
not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to  
do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of  
education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet  
is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a  
year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet)  
prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me  
five or so to give (i never did).


Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people,  
and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an  
animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion.  
I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts?



Lance









Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake

2008-01-26 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Lance I am so happy to hear Ember ( I love her name) is feeling a bit better. 
My Tristan who is not felv+ had a problem with loose stool and he gets a fiber 
capsule every night and it is normal now.Dr. Jen said it it IBS irritable bowel 
syndrome.Take care of your baby girl and I will keep thinking good thoughts for 
you.
  Sherry and my 5 beautiful furkids,Rafferty,CousCous,Xander,Tristan abd 
Mystique :)

Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I had a call in to the same vet late yesterday afternoon, and she got 
back to me earlier this morning. I wanted to clarify the doses, after 
doing some reading that alarmed me about Metronidazole. I don't want 
to give Ember more than she needs (or any, if it can be helped). I'm 
mostly okay with the outcome of the conversation.

The vet wants me to only give Ember one 50mg pill a day, and only 
through Monday. I gave her the dose for today, so she only has two 
more. That seems more realistic to me. Given that Ember showed high 
bacterial overgrowth on her test, it will hopefully help to alleviate 
that, but it won't be going for so long (and with doses so high) as 
I'd originally been told.

Ember is doing well as far as her behavior goes. I'm hoping to get her 
to snuggle down for a nap in a few minutes. She had a small but solid 
bm last night, and I'll probably try to get her back on a little dry 
food tomorrow. I'm really glad she likes to eat pumpkin!

Thanks to all for your concern. It's a comfort to have you on my side 
when things aren't going so well.


Lance

On Jan 26, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:

 Computer error??? It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary 
 mistake' and rather than honesty and responsibility,
 she is playing defense, which is equally scary.
 I would stop the Metronidazole. It seems that Ember had a violent 
 reaction to the overdose and needs time to
 process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool 
 normal? I do not understand why the vet is
 prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her 
 diagnosis?

 I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there 
 any way you can contact her or get a referral
 for a vet who has experience with FeLK. I would not trust someone 
 who resorts to the 'computer error' card.

 How is Ember now? How have her stools been?
 Fingers still crossed.
 Jane






 On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote:

 I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling 
 Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say 
 with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's 
 lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be 
 a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be 
 paying close attention to see if it happens again.

 It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember 
 had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little 
 fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out 
 and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice 
 a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a 
 day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that 
 this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that 
 it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on 
 calling me about this!

 I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will 
 not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to 
 do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of 
 education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet 
 is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a 
 year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) 
 prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me 
 five or so to give (i never did).

 Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, 
 and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an 
 animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. 
 I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts?


 Lance







   
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RE: Ember

2008-01-25 Thread Lance
Kenzie and Caroline,

I'll be watching Ember like a hawk to see what happens. I'm waiting to
hear back from the vet to see what I should do. Unfortunately for me,
my vet is still on leave, and her husband (who she'd designated to take
her place while away) was booked yesterday. I'm okay with the vet she
saw, but would have liked it to have been my original vet.

The sound Ember made was weird. Thinking about it, it wasn't like an
inhale-exhale-inhale panting, but more like a long, loud exhale,
almost
like trying to push something out of her throat. It was an hour or so
after
I gave her the Flagyl, so I'm really baffled. She got off the bed,
didn't look
too good (tail down) then walked over to the food bowl and started
eating. 
I'm really ready to get home to see her...

Lance

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:05 -0500, Caroline Kaufmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 Lance:
  I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting.  When I was in
  high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started
  panting like a dog.  Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at
  that.  My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that
  point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept
  blowing me off.  Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days.  We
  found out later that he was having liver failure.  Another vet told us
  that panting in a cat should never be blown off like that or blamed on
  heat, etc.  Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious
  situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know
  you are with her).  
 (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our
 family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on
 our own cat.  I threw a fit.  I know it seems that might be nice to have
 a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet!  Since
 we weren't paying customers sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. 
 Sigh).
  
 caroline  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ember Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008
 07:43:42 -0600  Hi Jane,  Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed to
 indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract.
 Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically, Ember had
 a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also
 discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being stirred in
 to her food. That might come in handy.  My only concern is with
 something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her
 first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It
 was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the
 night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a
 reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in case
 anyone else might have an idea.  Lance  On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45
 -0500, Jane Lyons said:  Lance how is she ?  I'm thinking of you,
 with fingers crossed.  Jane  --  Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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Re: Ember

2008-01-25 Thread Jane Lyons

Lance, could it be that it was the Flagyl that was lodged in her throat?
Since her last stool was normal, maybe you should hold off on the Flagyl
and just make sure that it wasn't panting, but rather trying to expel  
a pill.


Don't panic...it could be the Flagyl (pill).

Jane

On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Lance wrote:


Kenzie and Caroline,

I'll be watching Ember like a hawk to see what happens. I'm waiting to
hear back from the vet to see what I should do. Unfortunately for me,
my vet is still on leave, and her husband (who she'd designated to  
take

her place while away) was booked yesterday. I'm okay with the vet she
saw, but would have liked it to have been my original vet.

The sound Ember made was weird. Thinking about it, it wasn't like an
inhale-exhale-inhale panting, but more like a long, loud exhale,
almost
like trying to push something out of her throat. It was an hour or so
after
I gave her the Flagyl, so I'm really baffled. She got off the bed,
didn't look
too good (tail down) then walked over to the food bowl and started
eating.
I'm really ready to get home to see her...

Lance

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:05 -0500, Caroline Kaufmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


Lance:
 I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting.  When I was in
 high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that  
started
 panting like a dog.  Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot  
one at
 that.  My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time  
at that
 point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he  
kept
 blowing me off.  Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few  
days.  We
 found out later that he was having liver failure.  Another vet  
told us
 that panting in a cat should never be blown off like that or  
blamed on
 heat, etc.  Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very  
serious
 situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already  
know

 you are with her).
(Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our
family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary  
malpractice on
our own cat.  I threw a fit.  I know it seems that might be nice  
to have
a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet!   
Since

we weren't paying customers sometimes, horribly, we got ignored.
Sigh).

caroline  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ember Date: Fri, 25 Jan  
2008
07:43:42 -0600  Hi Jane,  Thanks for thinking of us. Tests  
seemed to
indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI  
tract.
Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically,  
Ember had

a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also
discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being  
stirred in

to her food. That might come in handy.  My only concern is with
something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her
first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten  
seconds. It

was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the
night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a
reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in  
case
anyone else might have an idea.  Lance  On Fri, 25 Jan 2008  
07:34:45
-0500, Jane Lyons said:  Lance how is she ?  I'm thinking of  
you,
with fingers crossed.  Jane  --  Lance Linimon  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: Ember

2008-01-25 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Lance:
 I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting.  When I was in high 
school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started panting like a 
dog.  Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at that.  My dad was 
still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that point and I kept trying 
to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept blowing me off.  Ultimately, the 
cat died on us within a few days.  We found out later that he was having liver 
failure.  Another vet told us that panting in a cat should never be blown off 
like that or blamed on heat, etc.  Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be 
a very serious situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already 
know you are with her).  
(Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our family due 
to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on our own cat.  I 
threw a fit.  I know it seems that might be nice to have a vet in the family, 
but keep in mind that it depends on the vet!  Since we weren't paying 
customers sometimes, horribly, we got ignored.  Sigh).
 
caroline  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Ember Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0600  Hi Jane,  Thanks 
for thinking of us. Tests seemed to indicate that it's an issue of bacterial 
overgrowth in the GI tract. Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for 
Ember. Ironically, Ember had a formed bowel movement only a few hours after 
we got home. I also discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it 
being stirred in to her food. That might come in handy.  My only concern is 
with something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her first 
dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It was a deep, 
breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the night, though I was 
asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon 
copying the list on my reply to you, in case anyone else might have an idea. 
 Lance  On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, Jane Lyons said:  Lance how 
is she ?  I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed.  Jane  --  Lance 
Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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Re: Ember

2008-01-25 Thread Lance
Hi Jane,

Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed
to indicate that  it's an issue of
bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract.
Vet prescribed 10 days of  metronidazole
for Ember.  Ironically, Ember had a
formed bowel movement only a few hours
after we got home. I also discovered
that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without
it being stirred in to her food. That might
come in handy.

My only concern is with something Ember
did last night, probably an hour or more
after her first dose. She made a strange
panting sound for about ten seconds. It
was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear
it at all the rest of the night, though
I was asleep for most of it, so I might
have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon
copying the list on my reply to you, in
case anyone else might have an idea.

Lance

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, Jane Lyons said:
 Lance how is she ?
 I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed.
 Jane

-- 
  Lance Linimon
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Ember and (now) weight gain

2007-11-19 Thread Chris
I feed mine Wellness wet--- have two who just put on the pounds if they so
much look at food.  But I also have 3 who must have some dry food and I did
try the Wellness dry.  None of them really liked it--and I tried twice.  I
feed wet primarily but give them a bit of dry in the late evening.

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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Ember and (now) weight gain

Hello List,

As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl, Ember,
having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry due
to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very
well
on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I pulled
dry food,  Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so.

 I've put Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained
about 8/10ths of a pound back. I'm pretty  pleased. I'm curious to know
what
people think of Wellness, specifically of the pouched chunky food vs.
the canned. Also, I purchased some Wellness CORE, but I'm a bit
concerned it'll be too much for her. She's just getting the standard
Wellness chicken dry food for now. 

I've found that Ember's appetite is easily stimulated with Kitty Kaviar, 
and at someone's suggestion, I've been putting just a bit of salt on the
wet EVO that she still gets, and this seems to help. I'm very relived
that dry food did the trick, and my vet is, too.

This has been a Fluffy Pants status update.


Lance

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RE: Ember and (now) weight gain

2007-11-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

I LOOOVE the Wellness!  All my cats are on it- personal cats and 
fosters.  I have some foster kittens under 1 year old, so they are on Wellness 
canned kitten (at night) and the Wellness chicken dry that is for kittens and 
adults.  They love love love it.  I have one cat that is 1 year and 2 months 
and she eats the dry wellness with the kittens and then regular adult wellness 
canned at night.  I did have her on Wellness Core for months.  She came to me 
as a rescued owner surrender to metro AC and altho she was already a spayed, 
declawed, indoor house cat, she seems skinny and teeny for her age- at that 
time, almost 1 year.  Her neck was really small and she looked funny/frail- 
altho she's a tortie- she seemed to have a siamese face- and I realized now 
it's b/c she was just slightly undernourished, but not so much to have affected 
her skin and coat yet.  She packed on muscle after being with me only 2 weeks.  
Now, she's a super healthy 1 year old and she's beefy- but doesn't have an 
once of fat on her.  I really think the months of Core really beefed her up.  
However, when I started taking in more kittens and feeding them the regular 
wellness dry, she started trying to always eat it.  She liked the Core, but she 
PREFERRED the regular wellness more.  Eventually, I had to transition her to 
wellness dry as it was easier to keep everyone on the same food and the kittens 
really shouldn't be eating non-kitten food like Core.  So, I think either is 
good.  While I suspect the Core- being that it's based on the raw food diet for 
cats- would be the most protein-packed, the regular wellness that is for 
kittens and adults is still really really good.
 
You can put Ember on kitten wet food since you are worried about her weight 
loss and caloric intake.  It doesn't matter how old she is...if she had lost 
weight and needs to beef up, the extra calories in kitten food is essential.  I 
would feed her Wellness kitten.  Mine love it and it's just so high-qual- you 
can tell just by looking at it.  I have had kittens turn down Science Diet 
kitten wet, but none so far can resist the wellness!  
 
I have given the new wellness pouches only to my 1 year old tortie as a treat 
meal about once a week.  They do have a lot of gravy and you will notice the 
canned wellness is not swimming in gravy, so I didn't want her to get fat.  I 
think kitten wet wellness would be preferable to feed Ember than a diet of the 
pouches, but that's just me.  I think they are nice as a special treat, but my 
tortie doesn't seem to care, as she loves any wellness wet- whether from a can 
or a pouch!  
 
You can also try adding some supplements to the wet food like Nutrical- to get 
in even more calories.  The biggest danger with a cat with weight loss is fatty 
liver disease and Nutrical alone (for a cat not eating at all), can stave this 
off.  I have added it to the food of the starving, malnourished outside cat I 
found a while ago and it worked well.  Other supplements I use on foster 
kittens who need to beef up and get extra calories and help fighting off URIs 
are: Brewer's yeast (but start adding it very slowly for a cat- just a sprinkle 
and work your way up from there);  Just Born with Colostrum- which you can 
order online.  It can be used as a supplement for kittens and adult cats- 
sprinkle and mix into wet food- it's not just a powdered milk formula for baby 
kitties.  Since Ember is Felv+, if you aren't already using this, you need to 
b/c of the colostrum that's in it.  One container lasts a long long time, so 
it's worth it; also, L-Lysine; and Salmon oil.  I don't use all supplements in 
each meal- I alternate them.  I find the cats actually like the Brewer's yeast 
the most being added to their food-- they can tell when it's in there and when 
I forgot to add it/was being lazy.  My tortie will not eat all her wet food 
unless she has some BY in it!
 
I think a lot of this info is a repeat of past posts, so if you want more 
detailed info about Brewer's Yeast and/or colostrum and Just Born, you can 
look thru the archives for emails with these topic headlines b/c I know they 
were discussed back over the past summer and fall.  You can also look for my 
?'s and answers I received to my posts about my malnorished rescue cat from 
the summer.  There should be info there about beefing up a cat with weight 
loss
 
-Caroline   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: 
Ember and (now) weight gain Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:49:13 -0600  Hello 
List,  As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl, 
Ember, having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry 
due to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very 
well on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I pulled 
dry food, Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so.  I've put 
Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained about 

Re: Ember and (now) weight gain

2007-11-19 Thread Jane Lyons

Hi Lance
Glad that Ember is gaining weight ...that is really good news.

The Whole Dog Journal does a yearly evaluation of commercial
pet food and they always rate Wellness very highly.

I discovered Petguard (wet) which is the Whole Foods label. It is the
first food that MeMe really loves and it has helped her kick her
Fancy Feast habit and to gain almost two (needed) pounds.

Lance, where do you get Maitake DMG liquid? We are coming to the end of
a large bottle that we got from the vet and I need to order more.

Thanks always for your help.
Jane






On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Lance wrote:


Hello List,

As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl,  
Ember,
having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry  
due

to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very
well
on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I  
pulled

dry food,  Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so.

 I've put Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained
about 8/10ths of a pound back. I'm pretty  pleased. I'm curious to  
know

what
people think of Wellness, specifically of the pouched chunky food  
vs.

the canned. Also, I purchased some Wellness CORE, but I'm a bit
concerned it'll be too much for her. She's just getting the standard
Wellness chicken dry food for now.

I've found that Ember's appetite is easily stimulated with Kitty  
Kaviar,
and at someone's suggestion, I've been putting just a bit of salt  
on the

wet EVO that she still gets, and this seems to help. I'm very relived
that dry food did the trick, and my vet is, too.

This has been a Fluffy Pants status update.


Lance

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Update Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-10-09 Thread Lance Linimon
Thank you Jane, MC, Marylyn, Caroline, Tonya, Belinda and Wendy for  
your thoughts and advice. I wanted to wait for a week or so in order  
to report back what I hoped would be a uptick in Ember's weight.  
Unfortunately, she's still hanging around the general 9 1/12 pounds  
area. Probably optimistic of me to think that just more regular Sheba  
would push it up. I picked up a baby scale last week so that I can  
weigh her here at home.


I ordered small bags of Wellness CORE, Wellness Adult Complete Health  
Chicken and EVO based on what y'all said. I'm going to try the EVO  
again in smaller portions, and since it's something of a kitten  
food, I'm hoping it'll help put some weight back on. If there's a  
problem with it, I have the Wellness options to fall back on.


Marylyn, I looked at Just Born and may pick up some. I'm just unsure  
about mixing that and Transfer Factor, since TF has colostrum (or  
something colostrum-esque). Looked interesting, though, especially  
since they mentioned giving it to pregnant or nursing adults.


Once I get the dry food (hopefully by the end of the week), I'm going  
to give Ember a few more weeks before I take her back in, hoping that  
her weight will go up. If not, I'll definitely look into the thyroid  
tests. My vet didn't seem to think the thyroid could be the problem,  
and the symptoms I've read about for kitty thyroid issues don't seem  
to match what's going on here, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.


Thank you all again for your replies.

Lance



Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-10-06 Thread catatonya
Yes, if you go this route ask for a full thyroid panel.  There is a 'basic' 
test.  I don't remember which one.. which can come out negative when 
your cat really does have a thyroid problem.
  t

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Lance,

Checking the thyroid is a good idea because cats with thyroid issues often 
can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. Let us know how the test goes. 
The test is called a T4, and some vets also take a free T4. I don't know what 
else to tell you about the weight loss. Did your vet offer any other possible 
explanations? You could try to introduce the Evo back slowly as you said. If 
she has another reaction, maybe she has an allergy to something in the food, 
which would be good for you to know.

:)
Wendy

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: Lance 

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:39:01 PM
Subject: Ember and weight loss


Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three 
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing 
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when 
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. 
Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, 
especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided 
to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly 
went away.

Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, 
this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest 
thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most 
of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, 
I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell 
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't 
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that 
test on Ember in a few weeks.

Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as 
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding 
that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay 
for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet 
wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd 
rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which 
anyone here has had good results?

Thank you,

Lance



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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-10-06 Thread Belinda
FreeT4 is the test you want to do if there is any possibility of the T4 
being incorrect.  Fred's T4 was normal but his FreeT4 showed he was in 
the early stages of hyperthyroid, so we caught it early and he only 
needed a very low dose of iodine when he had the treatment and I got to 
bring him home the next day.


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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-30 Thread wendy
Hey Lance,

Checking the thyroid is a good idea because cats with thyroid issues often 
can't gain weight no matter how much they eat.  Let us know how the test goes.  
The test is called a T4, and some vets also take a free T4.  I don't know what 
else to tell you about the weight loss.  Did your vet offer any other possible 
explanations?  You could try to introduce the Evo back slowly as you said.  If 
she has another reaction, maybe she has an allergy to something in the food, 
which would be good for you to know.

:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:39:01 PM
Subject: Ember and weight loss


Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three  
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing  
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when  
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it.  
Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else,  
especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided  
to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly  
went away.

Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8  
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,  
this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest  
thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most  
of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks,  
I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell  
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't  
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that  
test on Ember in a few weeks.

Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as  
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding  
that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay  
for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet  
wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd  
rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which  
anyone here has had good results?

Thank you,

Lance


  

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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-28 Thread Belinda
  What were his creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, potassium and HCT, those 
are the big numbers concerning CRF?  What lab were they sent to?


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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-28 Thread catatonya
I don't know.  I was floored recently to get two totally different reads on 
Bob's cbc's when I took him to a new vet.
   
  You might try going for a second opinion.
   
  My 'old' vet said cbc looked fine.  My 'new' vet said the values showed the 
beginnings of crf and wants to start fluids and medications.
   
  I know it's expensive, but I was really floored at the different diagnoses I 
received within 2 weeks on the same cat and same symptoms.
   
  tonya

Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three 
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing 
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when 
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. 
Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, 
especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided 
to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly 
went away.

Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, 
this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest 
thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most 
of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, 
I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell 
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't 
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that 
test on Ember in a few weeks.

Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as 
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding 
that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay 
for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet 
wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd 
rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which 
anyone here has had good results?

Thank you,

Lance




Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-28 Thread MaryChristine
there are a couple of websites you can find with just normal searches that
explain what all the test values should be, so you can help evaluate your
vet's evaluation. i think i found them through a, feline blood test
results search. (i'm still not back on my main computer, so can't find half
my stuff.)

even some of the standards are different--i think it seemed as if they
might have changed in the past years? so some vets may be working with older
guidelines.

and it's not ALWAYS the numbers--it's the constellation of symptoms that
count. a cat can have HORRIBLE numbers, but be so strong, or have more
things to accomplish on its journey here, that it stays around way longer
than it should--likewise, a kitty who tests out fine can crash in less
than 24 hours.

learn what values are most important in what conditions: belinda listed the
ones for kidney problems; there's a different set for liver. that way, if
you vet says your cat's bun is really high, and it's 36, you can say, um,
well

perhaps the most valuable thing this list can teach us is NOT to assume that
our veterinarians know everything, or have encountered everything. what
matters is their willingness to learn, to be open to our questions and the
information we bring them from our own sources, and their commitment to we,
their clients, and our cats.

MC

On 9/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What were his creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, potassium and HCT, those
 are the big numbers concerning CRF?  What lab were they sent to?

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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread Jane Lyons

Hi Lance,
Nina suggested I try feeding dry 'kitten' food (any decent brand)
because the caloric value is much higher. I did, and MeMe has been
eating it and steadily gaining weight.

If Ember likes Sheba, I would bump it up. If she needs to gain weight
I'd offer her anything (again, decent quality) that she will eat.

I had to give up the notion of feeding a species appropriate diet.
I am just grateful that she is eating dry kitten and gaining weight.
I give her Sheba and a variety of 'quality' wet food that she sometimes
tolerates if it is covered with warm water and 'lapable'.

Hope she can pack some ounces back on.

Jane
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Lance wrote:

Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three  
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing  
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when  
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of  
it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything  
else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I  
decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea  
almost promptly went away.


Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8  
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds.  
Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the  
easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day  
for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few  
weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.


Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood  
cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet  
doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her  
run that test on Ember in a few weeks.


Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving  
as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what  
adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it  
be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The  
vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but  
I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with  
which anyone here has had good results?


Thank you,

Lance






Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread MaryChristine
i think that many of us have found, no matter what WE might have thought,
that sometimes the best diet for a cat--especially one with an underlying
problem--is whatever the heck they'll eat we all know 20-year-old cats
who've never seen anything but meowmix, after all. sigh.

wondering if you did any probiotics stuff when she had the diarrhea--i know
that i've heard that sometimes the EVO can cause it, but so MANY things can
cause diarrhea that it's often hard to track down. for my kids, i do a
slurry of pumpkin and yogurt--they love it (well, jess doesn't even wait for
the yogurt to be added--or for the pumpkin to be out of the can, for that
matter), it's good for them, it adds in good gut flora (it's cheap)

if the sheba is making her happy, well, i'd go for it.

i'm also with nina on dry kitten food in terms of calories, but it's so rich
that for SOME adults, it can cause the runs as well ember's being happy
and playful is really the most important thing, tho...

unfortunately, i have no answers, but sometimes the numbers aren't the most
important things...

MC

On 9/27/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three
 months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing
 weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when
 Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it.
 Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else,
 especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided
 to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly
 went away.

 Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8
 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,
 this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest
 thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most
 of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks,
 I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

 Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell
 count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't
 think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that
 test on Ember in a few weeks.

 Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as
 always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding
 that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay
 for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet
 wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd
 rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which
 anyone here has had good results?

 Thank you,

 Lance




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RE: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

We had a 19 year old cat that ate nothing but wet Whiskas (microwaved!) her 
entire life!!!  My mom and I laugh and laugh about that now that we are 
spending so much money on Wellness and supplements!  Who knows?!  I try to 
tell her that now with the proper food and supplements, maybe our normal- 
non-Felv cats- will live to be 30!  
-Caroline  


Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:59 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: Ember and weight lossi think that many of us have found, no 
matter what WE might have thought, that sometimes the best diet for a 
cat--especially one with an underlying problem--is whatever the heck they'll 
eat we all know 20-year-old cats who've never seen anything but meowmix, 
after all. sigh. wondering if you did any probiotics stuff when she had the 
diarrhea--i know that i've heard that sometimes the EVO can cause it, but so 
MANY things can cause diarrhea that it's often hard to track down. for my kids, 
i do a slurry of pumpkin and yogurt--they love it (well, jess doesn't even wait 
for the yogurt to be added--or for the pumpkin to be out of the can, for that 
matter), it's good for them, it adds in good gut flora (it's cheap) if 
the sheba is making her happy, well, i'd go for it. i'm also with nina on dry 
kitten food in terms of calories, but it's so rich that for SOME adults, it can 
cause the runs as well ember's being happy and playful is really the most 
important thing, tho... unfortunately, i have no answers, but sometimes the 
numbers aren't the most important things... MC
On 9/27/07, Lance  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For 
the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losingweight. This particular 
problem started around last Christmas, whenEmber developed diarrhea, and I had 
no idea of how to get rid of it.Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to 
try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I 
decidedto take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost 
promptlywent away.Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 
1.8pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,this 
might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiestthing to fix. I've 
only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might 
not be enough. In the last few weeks,I've also given her two cans of Sheba a 
week as treats.Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood 
cellcount, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think 
that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run thattest on Ember in a 
few weeks.Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving 
asalways. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back 
might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okayfor me to bump up 
Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vetwanted Ember to come back in to be 
weighed in a few weeks, but I'drather do that at home. Is there a postal or 
baby scale with which anyone here has had good results?Thank you,Lance-- Spay  
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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread Marylyn
I'm a big believer in Just Born with Colostrum..high quality/high 
calorie in powder or pre- mixed.  I frequently add it to food for Dixie 
as well as for the ferals who are going into the winter and need to bulk up. 
Dixie and the Royal Princess Kitty Katt enjoy(ed) the pre-mixed for 
snacks/treats.  Dixie really enjoys full fat yogurt too.  PC (who knows his 
history) enjoys yogurt (full of probiotics) too.





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- Original Message - 
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Ember and weight loss



Hi Lance,
Nina suggested I try feeding dry 'kitten' food (any decent brand)
because the caloric value is much higher. I did, and MeMe has been
eating it and steadily gaining weight.

If Ember likes Sheba, I would bump it up. If she needs to gain weight
I'd offer her anything (again, decent quality) that she will eat.

I had to give up the notion of feeding a species appropriate diet.
I am just grateful that she is eating dry kitten and gaining weight.
I give her Sheba and a variety of 'quality' wet food that she sometimes
tolerates if it is covered with warm water and 'lapable'.

Hope she can pack some ounces back on.

Jane
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Lance wrote:

Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three  months. 
For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing  weight. This 
particular problem started around last Christmas, when  Ember developed 
diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of  it. Pumpkin helped a 
little, but I was reluctant to try anything  else, especially since it 
really didn't seem to be an infection. I  decided to take Ember off of 
Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea  almost promptly went away.


Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8  pounds 
since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds.  Now, this 
might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the  easiest thing to 
fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day  for most of the time, 
and that might not be enough. In the last few  weeks, I've also given her 
two cans of Sheba a week as treats.


Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood  cell 
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet  doesn't 
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her  run that test 
on Ember in a few weeks.


Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving  as 
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what  adding that 
back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it  be okay for me 
to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The  vet wanted Ember to 
come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but  I'd rather do that at 
home. Is there a postal or baby scale with  which anyone here has had 
good results?


Thank you,

Lance









To Lance: Re: Ember update

2007-04-23 Thread wendy
Hi Lance,

It sounds like you had some mixed news at the vets,
some good, some bad.  I think it's fantastic that
Ember is not anemic.  I would much rather be dealing
with WBC issues than RBC issues, since low WBC could
be so many different things, some easily corrected.  I
don't know of any vets who have had VO experience, but
you might post that as the subject heading if you
don't get good response to this post.  I think you are
doing exactly the right thing by doing your own
research and looking to talk with people who have
experience with the VO.  I think people from the UK
have an advantage on us when it comes to that.  I
could cross post this if you'd like me to on the
hyperT site I belong to.  There are a lot of UK
members there that might be able to help you out or
cross post elsewhere.  You might also consider calling
or writing to one of the veterinary colleges about
this.  I wrote Dr. August at Texas AM University
concerning the overdosing of newly diagnosed
hyperthyroid kitties back in February, and he called
me.  He's over feline internal medicine, very active
in the veterinary community, a very nice man, and
might be able to point you in the right direction.  I
had to write to him because they would not put me
through to his voicemail when I called because I was
not a student or a vet.  It was a bit frustrating, but
since I'm a better writer than speaker, it probably
worked out better.

Keep us posted on Ember.  I bet she will gain her
weight back in no time!
:)
Wendy

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Re: Ember update

2007-04-20 Thread Nina

Lance,
All my prayers and good wishes that whatever is causing Ember's weight 
loss and lowered wbc is transitory and that she continues to be her 
perfect little self in every way.


I really respect my Internist and her office did help me get my VO, but 
I don't think I'd call them experts on it's use. They were the ones that 
made up the vet info package for the FDA dispensation, so I know they 
are willing to help other vets. You or your vet's office could contact 
my vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical and Surgical 
Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290) and see if they can help.

Blessings,
Nina

Lance wrote:

First, thank you Nina and Wendy for your thoughts on the VO situation.

Ember had an appt. today, and we got some disappointing results. She's 
lost 7/10ths of a pound since her last visit in February. I think some 
of that can be attributed to my switching foods and some schedule 
changes. Hopefully, there isn't anything serious causing that 
particular issue. Unfortunately, her WBC is down again to 4.7 from 5.5 
two months ago. Fortunately, she is not anemic this time. Her RBC is 
still hanging at the mid-normal point (I think it was 36.2 or 36.5).


I'm fairly certain that we'll be ordering the VO soon, since there is 
a symptom (low WBC). Does anyone happen to know a vet who has had lots 
of experience with VO and immune system issues, including FeLV? I'd 
like to set up a consult call with someone knowledgeable of the road 
we're preparing to take.




Lance








Re: Ember update: wbc back to normal

2006-11-24 Thread ETrent
Lance,
Thank you for keeping us posted about Ember.  It sounds like you are giving her 
the very best of care.  I'm so glad she is better.  Love and hugs to you both.

elizabeth



In a message dated 11/24/06 15:16:02 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
I've been meaning to write about this for a week now. Last Thursday,   
Ember went back to the vet for a CBC. She had a low white blood cell   
count a month before (3.6 or 3.7). Her wbc was back to low-normal (I   
think it was a 5 or 5.1), and her platelets were up. Overall, our vet   
was very happy with her bloodwork. She has lost about a half pound of   
weight, though the vet said (and I hoped/agreed) that it was because   
I'd tinkered with her food to get her supplements in. She weighs 10.5   
lbs., and as he put it, I'm happy with that weight, so if she's not   
losing next month, we're in good shape for now. 

For those wanting to know, I put Ember on several supplements over   
the month between her two CBCs. I started her on VetriScience's   
Liquid DMG, using the recommended dose. I also started her on   
Transfer Factor Plus Advanced, putting one capsule worth in her food   
a day. She has been on interferon alpha, but I forgot to order it   
until we were almost out, and the vet somehow didn't order it in   
time, so we missed a few doses. She's back on the five on/five off   
protocol. 

Just an FYI. 


Lance 


Re: Ember and IR

2006-10-24 Thread cindy reasoner
This is just from my own experience so far with
Smokey.  The first CBC he had done with the old vet
showed low wbc and platelets.  This is when they
decided to test him again for feline leukemia.  I
started him on the immuno-regulin and had another CBC
done about a month 1/2 ago and all of his blood work
was in the normal range this time.  So I don't know if
it was the immuno-regulin or not.  All I do know is
that his blood work was better this last time and he
hasn't had anymore fevers since March of this year. I
hope this might.

Cindy Reasoner

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay, I think I found it.  Unfortunately it doesn't
 give us much 
 information, but it does give a little hope:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Chris)
 
 When my Tucson was first diagnosed last year, her
 white blood cell count 
 was very low.  Vet gave her a series of
 immuno-regulin shots  it shot 
 back up.  She developed a UTI months later  again
 her wbc went 
 down-another series of shots  it went back up.  He
 also put her on some 
 vitamins, immuno-support  vitamin c. Don't know
 what did it but it 
 worked.  I have not seen any posts about
 immuno-regulin but my vet seems 
 to like it  has found it useful I too would
 like to hear about 
 anyone else's experiences with it...
 
 Nina wrote:
 
  I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in
 my inbox.  I sent it 
  off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. 
 Did anyone get this 
  message?  I'm going to look through the posts I've
 saved on IR and see 
  if I can find the post that Michelle's talking
 about.  It makes sense 
  that it might boost wbc, depending on what is
 causing the problem.
  Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember,
  Nina 
 
 


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Re: Ember and IR

2006-10-24 Thread Lance

Hi Nina and Cindy,

Thanks for the info and anecdotal experience. I know that my vet uses  
IR with dogs. I'm assuming he uses it for the skin problem that is  
its on label purpose. I'm not sure if he'd go for IR with Ember,  
but if we don't see better results in a month, I'm going to press him  
on it. I might actually call him this week to get his mind on it.


Thank you,

Lance



Re: Ember and Wellness DMG

2006-06-19 Thread Nina

Lance,
Fabulous news about Ember feeling her old self again!  Hooray!  You 
didn't even have to cook her a turkey!  I've heard about DMG, in fact I 
gave it to my positives for a while.  I don't have any experience with 
Wellness WellDefense.  I remember there was a precaution about an 
ingredient, or additive to avoid when selecting DMG, but off hand can't 
remember what it was.  I could probably look it up for you.  I'm sure I 
posted about it to the list.  If you can't find it by doing a search on 
DMG in the archives, let me know.

Nina

Lance wrote:

Ember is back to her normal self. I'm not sure what caused her  
digestive problems. Lots of prayers and love undoubtedly brought her  
back to health. I did not give her the flagyl. As long as I can avoid  
using antibiotics on her, I will.


Does anyone have experience with the Wellness WellDefense DMG  
chewable tablets?


Prayers for Samantha, MK, Hannibal, Bandy and all of our feline  
friends. God bless you all.



Lance








Re: Ember and Wellness DMG

2006-06-18 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Lance I am so glad that Ember is feeling better and is her normal self.  Sherry  P.S. THANK YOU!!Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ember is back to her normal self. I'm not sure what caused her digestive problems. Lots of prayers and love undoubtedly brought her back to health. I did not give her the flagyl. As long as I can avoid using antibiotics on her, I will.Does anyone have experience with the Wellness WellDefense DMG chewable tablets?Prayers for Samantha, MK, Hannibal, Bandy and all of our feline friends. God bless you all.Lance 
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Re: Ember, intestinal issues and flagyl

2006-06-12 Thread Lernermichelle




When my Lucy, who is positive, starting having loose stool, I was really 
scared it was intestinal lymphoma, which positives are prone to. But she has 
IBD. Which can turn into lymphoma if not controlled (or maybe even if it 
is controlled, I don't know). The only thing that has helped her is switching 
her to a raw turkey diet. I buy premixed supplements from Feline Futures and mix 
it with Stelton's ground turkey from the health food store and Omah's ground 
turkey organs. Sometimes she still has some trouble, either because she 
gets some of Patches' food or just because she has trouble, I don't know. 
So I keep her on a very low dose of prednisone as well. I had her down to 1.25 
mg every three days, and tried to stop entierly, but she got loose stools again 
so now she is on 2.5 mg every other day. I hope to be able to wean her again, 
but if she needs it I will keep giving it to her. No food works with her at this 
point other than the raw turkey diet.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/12/2006 7:58:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ember is 
  still not doing so great with her bowel movements. I've tried a few 
  things: switching to California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice 
  canned, giving her a bit of Eagle Pack Holistic Solution... and have 
  had no luck. She had a small, fairly loose stool Saturday, and 
  nothing since. She hasn't been eating well. I'm not sure if it's the 
  California Natural or what.Anyway, with her last bm on Saturday, I 
  took her to the vet today. I had them run a fairly full spectrum of 
  tests, including blood panel (thankfully, no anemia) and stool 
  check. Ember has lost over half a pound since the vet visit some 
  months ago before this started (she's down to 10.1 lbs from 10.7). 
  Last visit, she palpitated Ember and found no hint of lumps. The 
  vet, again, looked for parasites, including giardia, and found none. 
  She also said it looked like Ember would need to use the box 
  sometime fairly soon. The good news is, she did just a minute ago. 
  :) It was a fairly normal "incident," for the first time in 
  awhile.The vet prescribed flagyl for five days, so we have that 
  here. However, I'm just not sure I want to do that. I've read that 
  it's a harsh antibiotic, and while I trust my vet (one of two 
  allopathic vets who have treated Ember recently), I just wonder if I 
  shouldn't wait for another day or two to see what 
  happens.I'm going to give Ember a little tuna (in water, not vegetable 
  oil). I'm hoping to find some other options that will help her get 
  her appetite back. I need to order some more Innova EVO for her, 
  too. I'm also considering getting her some Prescription Diet w/d, 
  despite the fact that I really dislike Hill's.Any thoughts 
  on the flagyl or the inappetence would be very 
  helpful.Thanks,Lance




Re: Ember and diarrhea

2006-06-05 Thread etrent

Lance,
I'm so sorry Ember is still having problems. I don't know enough to give suggestions, but I certainly do understand the dilima about work. I've sat up all night with some of my 'children' beforeand I know it's so hard to break away and go to work when you must. The normal behavior must bea positive sign. Please keep us posted - I hope she is much better soon and that you get some rest.

elizabeth
-Original Message-From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 05:52:39 -0500Subject: Ember and diarrhea


Unfortunately, it seems like Ember still is having digestive problems. On Thursday, the vet gave her the injection (of what, I'm unsure), and I gave her a Centrine pill the next day. For Friday and Saturday, she seemed to eat and drink fairly normally. No BMs in the box until Sunday, however, and it seemed that the first visit to the box yielded loose stool, while the second was definitely diarrhea. She still has an appetite, and I believe she's been drinking water normally. She wouldn't touch the soft Felidae I had out earlier, but just an hour ago, she ate some dry Innova EVO. I gave her another Centrine pill, and have picked up the wet food, leaving out only the dry and her water.Earlier on Sunday, I did give her a very small bit of Kitty Kaviar. I gave her two treats of Kitty Kaviar on Wednesday. I'm wondering if she's having a problem with that? Ember has really enjoyed the KK when I've bought it before, though it may have caused one loose stool once. However, about a month ago, she managed to get into a can I had just opened, and ate virtually the entire can! I didn't see ANY problems after all of that, which I thought was strange. Anyway, she certainly won't be getting any for a long time.I apologize for giving such a blow-by-blow account. I haven't gotten any sleep, and I'm trying to decide what to do about work, since I took off two days last week when she was ill. The one promising thing is that she has not had the odd, listless behavior she had when this all started on Thursday. She's been behaving normally, so that would seem to be good.Oh, how I wish I could work at home!Sleepily,Lance


Re: Ember and diarrhea

2006-06-05 Thread Nina

Hi Lance,
I'm sorry Ember is still having some problems.  If she has a delicate 
digestive system, the best first course of action is to put her on one 
type of quality canned food, (see if you can find a single protein) and 
take her off the dry, (it's harder to digest).  Stay away from grains 
and by products.  If she likes the EVO, you could give her a few pieces 
of kibble as treats, but I know that my IBD girl, Gypsy, has relapses 
whenever she eats anything other than the turkey mush I make for her, 
(I'll send you the recipe off list, it's really helped her).  Gypsy was 
very near death when I started feeding her a raw diet that saved her 
life.  Unfortunately my little girl is very finicky and she started to 
refuse the raw.  She's now doing very well and has been on the cooked 
turkey for months.  I'm so hoping that this is something transitory and 
that her system will re-adjust.  You should get her on a probiotics 
too.  They make a pet formula acidophilous that you can find at the 
health food store.  Start with small amounts at first.  You might want 
to mix in a bit of plain whole milk yogurt in with her food too.  They 
also sell something called Benebac (sp?), at Petsmart type places for 
kittens to balance the good bacteria.  I understand your anguish at not 
being able to stay with her all the time.  What can we do?  Someone has 
to earn the cat food!  It sounds like she's doing pretty well, except 
for the continuing stool problems. 
Sending prayers, good wishes and calming energy to you and Ember,

Nina

Lance wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems like Ember still is having digestive  
problems. On Thursday, the vet gave her the injection (of what, I'm  
unsure), and I gave her a Centrine pill the next day. For Friday and  
Saturday, she seemed to eat and drink fairly normally. No BMs in the  
box until Sunday, however, and it seemed that the first visit to the  
box yielded loose stool, while the second was definitely diarrhea.  
She still has an appetite, and I believe she's been drinking water  
normally. She wouldn't touch the soft Felidae I had out earlier, but  
just an hour ago, she ate some dry Innova EVO. I gave her another  
Centrine pill, and have picked up the wet food, leaving out only the  
dry and her water.


Earlier on Sunday, I did give her a very small bit of Kitty Kaviar. I  
gave her two treats of Kitty Kaviar on Wednesday. I'm wondering if  
she's having a problem with that? Ember has really enjoyed the KK  
when I've bought it before, though it may have caused one loose stool  
once. However, about a month ago, she managed to get into a can I had  
just opened, and ate virtually the entire can! I didn't see ANY  
problems after all of that, which I thought was strange. Anyway, she  
certainly won't be getting any for a long time.


I apologize for giving such a blow-by-blow account. I haven't gotten  
any sleep, and I'm trying to decide what to do about work, since I  
took off two days last week when she was ill. The one promising thing  
is that she has not had the odd, listless behavior she had when this  
all started on Thursday. She's been behaving normally, so that would  
seem to be good.


Oh, how I wish I could work at home!

Sleepily,

Lance








Re: Ember

2006-03-29 Thread cindy reasoner
I know what you mean about having to isolate one of
your cats.  I found out my Smokey was felv+ after he
had been around a few of my other cats. He had been
hanging around our house and the neighbor's across the
street.  I just knew 1 day I would come home and find
where he had been hit by a car.  So, I got him and
took him straight to the vet.  I had him tested for
feline leukemia and it was negative only to find out
in about 2 months when they tested him again he was
positive at that time.  All the other cats had been
vaccinated and do not go outside.   So, I am hoping
they are O.K. I had them tested a month ago they were
still negatvie.  I have to wait 3 months to have them
tested 1 more time.  I worry about Smokey getting
lonely.  I have a bunch of toys in his room and try to
spend as much time as I can with him.  he seems like
he is happy.  He wakes me up in the morning jumping on
the door in his room.  He is wanting to be fed.  I
think some cats like being by themselves.  Good luck
to you and Ember.

Cindy  

--- Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks to all of you for your comforting words. I
 really appreciate  
 them. I'm also glad you liked Ember's pictures. Our
 family has had  
 several black cats over the years, but Ember was our
 first fluffy,  
 black kitty. About a year after I adopted Ember in
 Madison, my  
 parents took in Sidney, who looks like a giant Ember
 with a longer  
 tail. Bonnie, when the Sun shines on Ember, I can
 see very dark  
 brown, along with her stripes. Wendy, Cricket's
 pictures are great.  
 He was a beautiful kitty. I especially liked the
 bad Cricket  
 picture. Sometimes they're at their best when
 they're making mischief.
 
 I'm finally getting used to keeping Ember isolated,
 and I think she  
 is too. It never caused her much stress. I'm finding
 that having her  
 by herself allows me to monitor food/water/litterbox
 habits better  
 than if she was out and about. She does sometimes
 wake up at night,  
 seemingly with the intent to get into something. I
 need to pick up a  
 few more toys that we can play with together. Since
 the boys tested  
 negative, I'd worry a lot less about them
 (especially since they're  
 now vaccinated) than I would that Ember might pick
 up something from  
 our outdoor cat. I'll talk to the vet about this to
 see what he thinks.
 
 Wendy, I would definitely like your FeLV post
 collection. The info  
 that you, Nina and others have given me has been
 very helpful.  
 Congrats on adopting the little girl. You'll have to
 post some  
 pictures soon. Take care, all.
 
 
 Lance
 
 


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Re: Ember

2006-03-28 Thread wendy
Hi Lance,

I am sorry to hear that your precious Ember has tested
FeLV positive, but it is not a death sentence.  We
have kitties here who live a long time with FeLV.  I
don't know how long you have been a member here, but I
am assuming it's fairly recent because of the testing.
 I have put together a manual that I think you will
find useful in helping Ember, prevention and
treatment-wise.  It's a conglomeration of posts over
the last five months of FeLV Talk members' vast info.
that they have shared.  Let me know if you'd like me
to email it to you.

The fact that Ember is four already is a good thing. 
Many of the FeLV kitties succumb to the virus from 6
to 18 mo's, when they are young and their immune
system is not yet fully developed.  Keeping Ember
stress free will go a long way in keeping her symptom
free.  I lost my Cricket at 4.5 years, and I truly
believe his virus kicked in because of the stress
caused by having ten extra family members in the house
for a week due to Hurricane Rita.  I certainly don't
blame them, but I do blame the circumstance.  Less
stress is always good for these immune-system
compromised kitties.

It sounds like you've done a great job in researching
the right things to do for Ember.  Switching her diet
to high quality, using the interferon to boost her
immune system, and coming here are all great things. 
You will find that the people here are absolutely
wonderful people.

:)
Wendy
Dallas, Tx

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Re: Ember

2006-03-28 Thread wendy
Lance,

Your Ember looks just like my Cricket and the new
kitten I just adopted yesterday!  She's precious!!! 
Here are pics of my Cricket:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stefffi_c/album?.dir=/78ab.src=ph.tok=phta56DBby6d5vYY

:)
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Re: Ember

2006-03-28 Thread Lance
Thanks to all of you for your comforting words. I really appreciate  
them. I'm also glad you liked Ember's pictures. Our family has had  
several black cats over the years, but Ember was our first fluffy,  
black kitty. About a year after I adopted Ember in Madison, my  
parents took in Sidney, who looks like a giant Ember with a longer  
tail. Bonnie, when the Sun shines on Ember, I can see very dark  
brown, along with her stripes. Wendy, Cricket's pictures are great.  
He was a beautiful kitty. I especially liked the bad Cricket  
picture. Sometimes they're at their best when they're making mischief.


I'm finally getting used to keeping Ember isolated, and I think she  
is too. It never caused her much stress. I'm finding that having her  
by herself allows me to monitor food/water/litterbox habits better  
than if she was out and about. She does sometimes wake up at night,  
seemingly with the intent to get into something. I need to pick up a  
few more toys that we can play with together. Since the boys tested  
negative, I'd worry a lot less about them (especially since they're  
now vaccinated) than I would that Ember might pick up something from  
our outdoor cat. I'll talk to the vet about this to see what he thinks.


Wendy, I would definitely like your FeLV post collection. The info  
that you, Nina and others have given me has been very helpful.  
Congrats on adopting the little girl. You'll have to post some  
pictures soon. Take care, all.



Lance



Re: Ember

2006-03-27 Thread Lance

Sherry,

Thank you for sharing, though it's a sad story. I hope you are doing  
better today. Thank you, also, for your prayers and thoughts for  
Ember and I.



Lance
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Re: Ember

2006-03-27 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH
Lance,
 Ember is really beautiful She looks like she has a dark brown undercoat.

Bonnie

- Original Message -
From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: Ember
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sherry,
 
 Thank you for sharing, though it's a sad story. I hope you are 
 doing  
 better today. Thank you, also, for your prayers and thoughts for  
 Ember and I.
 
 
 Lance
 --
 Pictures of Ember: http://homepage.mac.com/linimon
 
 



Re: Ember

2006-03-27 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Lance,Ember is a beautiful cat!!  SherryBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Lance,Ember is really beautiful She looks like she has a dark brown undercoat.Bonnie- Original Message -From: Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:55 pmSubject: Re: EmberTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sherry,  Thank you for sharing, though it's a sad story. I hope you are  doing  better today. Thank you, also, for your prayers and thoughts for  Ember and I.   Lance -- Pictures of Ember:   
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Re: Ember

2006-03-27 Thread Nina




Lance wrote:
Three weeks ago, my mom took her 2 year old cat, Sadie, to
the vet. Sadie had not been eating as well as usual, was getting
noticeably thinner, and was listless. This had only been going on for
a week or so. She obviously didn't feel good. Sadie tested positive
for feline leukemia. The prospects, according to the vet, weren't
good. I don't know what was said, other than that her life could only
be prolonged a bit, and that she'd have to be isolated. My mom was as
upset as I've ever seen her when she came to pick me up from work.
She'd had Sadie put to sleep. I couldn't grieve for Sadie right then.
Not only was it too much, but I became immediately worried about my
cat, Ember.
  

I'm so sorry about Sadie. It's a real hot button
issue with me how most vets immediately recommend pts as soon as cat is
diagnosed. What happened is so sad, but no matter what we do, there
are always doubts and questions. We always wonder if there was
something else we could have done, or did something we shouldn't have.
We'll never know, but perhaps your mom's decision saved Sadie what
might have been needless suffering. Please tell her how sorry I am for
your mutual loss.
Ember is almost 4 years old. She tested negative for FeLV
as a kitten. I don't know that she'd ever been vaccinated for it.
We'd lived in an apartment in Madison, Wisconsin for several years,
and I decided we should move back to my hometown in Arkansas for a
number of reasons. We moved in with my parents, who had, a month
before, taken in Sadie. Sadie wasn't tested for FeLV. I don't think my
dad knew to ask, and the vet apparently didn't volunteer. Ember and
Sadie were good buddies. Ember is petite for an adult female, and
Sadie used to jump on her and bite her. They loved to play. I'm
guessing that this was the mode of transmission, as, an hour or so
after Sadie was put to sleep, I took Ember to the vet. She tested
positive.
  
  
We have three other cats. Two of them, a 2 year old male and a 13 year
old male, are indoor only, while a 6 year old male is indoor/ outdoor.
All tested negative, despite grooming each other (Sidney would groom
Sadie at times), eating from the same dishes and sharing sleeping
spots on occasion.
  
  
Ember and I went to another vet a week later. She still tested
positive (not faint and not strong; right in the middle). Her white
blood cell count was at the lowest end of normal possible. The rest of
her blood work was good. She had (has?) a slight rasp in her throat.
Otherwise, no problems. Not even stress-related fever. She's eating
and drinking well, and enjoys the games we've started playing, now
that she's isolated in my room.
  

Ember might very well be in the process of
fighting off the virus and could later test neg, (even without being
vaccinated many healthy adult cats will contract the virus and then
clear it from their system). That would explain the slightly lower
wbc. Kittens, geriatrics, and generally infirm cats are the ones that
felv hits the hardest. The fact that she's already 4 years old and is
lively bodes well for her. 

The folks on the list have discussed mixing negs and pos many times.
If you do a search on the archives you'll see that many mix without
problems. Of course the safest thing to do is to keep them separate,
but if your guys have been living together for any length of time and
the negs have now been vaccinated, you might want to reconsider their
living arrangements. Esp if it is causing Ember any distress.
The vet put her on interferon (1cc/day, five days on/five
days off). I stopped feeding her Prescription Diet t/d dry food, and
switched her to "Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul" dry and
Felidae canned. I'm hoping to get her on Innova EVO dry and canned in
the next few weeks. I regret that it took FeLV for me to find out
that Hill's is not the best thing to be feeding any pet.
  

The "pulse" protocol method (on again, off
again), is used to help combat building resistance to the interferon's
benefits. It is thought that Interferon Omega, which is derived from
feline DNA rather than human, isn't susceptible to this. I used the IA
as well as the IO and would give them the IA daily if they "didn't seem
themselves", upping the dose based on their level of symptoms/illness.
When they were acting normal and healthy, I'd take them off it all
together. Some think that keeping them on the pulse method
indefinitely will benefit their immune response and keep them from
getting sick in the first place. There are just too many things that
we don't know. You have to follow your gut when your sifting through
all the options.

A good diet, keeping stress to the absolute minimum and immune support
are the best ways to keep our asymptomatic pos healthy. It sounds like
you're doing all the right things. I used to give my guys Vita C,
L-lysine and something called Transfer Factor as well as Interferon A.
I also used Interferon Omega when they were symptomatic.
I'm going to call a holistic vet 

Re: Ember

2006-03-26 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Lance my prayers and thoughts are with you and Ember (pretty name).Felv is such a sad thing to go through,at least for me and Maizee it was.But I have heard stories on here of cats with felv living long happy lives.I hope Ember can be one of the lucky ones.  When I found out Maizee was felv+ I was devastated,she was only 8 months old when I found out,and she had a massive lymphoma crushing her airway to where she could not swallow hardly at all and her breathing was heavy.We started her on chemo and within 3 days she was eating and breathing normally.She went through chemo for 6 months before she went down hill again.I decided not to put her through anymore.she was such a trooper.We had a very special bond that developed in the 6 months of treatments,I believe she knew that everthing I did I did because I loved her so much,at least I hope she did.I had to give her a pill everyday,vitamins every morning.And most of the time she just went along with the program.I
 believe she saved it all for the vet,she sure gave then hell when she was there.she got a lot of attitude out in such a short life(15 months).One thing I know I'm sure of,is that no matter how much stress,money and heartache I went through for my beautiful Maizee,it was all worth it to have her with me as long as I was able.Sometimes I can look at all the pictures of her and smile and laugh,then times all I do is cry.My heart does ache for her very much.tHank you for letting me share this with you.I will have you and Ember in my prayers.Bless you.  SherryLance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Three weeks ago, my mom took her 2 year old cat, Sadie, to the vet. Sadie had not been eating as well as usual, was getting noticeably thinner, and was listless. This had only been going on for a week or so. She obviously didn't feel good.
 Sadie tested positive for feline leukemia. The prospects, according to the vet, weren't good. I don't know what was said, other than that her life could only be prolonged a bit, and that she'd have to be isolated. My mom was as upset as I've ever seen her when she came to pick me up from work. She'd had Sadie put to sleep. I couldn't grieve for Sadie right then. Not only was it too much, but I became immediately worried about my cat, Ember.Ember is almost 4 years old. She tested negative for FeLV as a kitten. I don't know that she'd ever been vaccinated for it. We'd lived in an apartment in Madison, Wisconsin for several years, and I decided we should move back to my hometown in Arkansas for a number of reasons. We moved in with my parents, who had, a month before, taken in Sadie. Sadie wasn't tested for FeLV. I don't think my dad knew to ask, and the vet apparently didn't volunteer. Ember and Sadie were good buddies. Ember
 is petite for an adult female, and Sadie used to jump on her and bite her. They loved to play. I'm guessing that this was the mode of transmission, as, an hour or so after Sadie was put to sleep, I took Ember to the vet. She tested positive.We have three other cats. Two of them, a 2 year old male and a 13 year old male, are indoor only, while a 6 year old male is indoor/ outdoor. All tested negative, despite grooming each other (Sidney would groom Sadie at times), eating from the same dishes and sharing sleeping spots on occasion.Ember and I went to another vet a week later. She still tested positive (not faint and not strong; right in the middle). Her white blood cell count was at the lowest end of normal possible. The rest of her blood work was good. She had (has?) a slight rasp in her throat. Otherwise, no problems. Not even stress-related fever. She's eating and drinking well, and enjoys the games we've started
 playing, now that she's isolated in my room.The vet put her on interferon (1cc/day, five days on/five days off). I stopped feeding her Prescription Diet t/d dry food, and switched her to "Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul" dry and Felidae canned. I'm hoping to get her on Innova EVO dry and canned in the next few weeks. I regret that it took FeLV for me to find out that Hill's is not the best thing to be feeding any pet.I'm going to call a holistic vet that's nearby sometime this week. I'm trying to decide if I should seek a third opinion in the more traditional medicine area, but I really like my current vet. He at least offers hope, and he's experienced.That's where things stand for Ember and I now. I've cried more in the last two weeks than I think I've cried total in my life. As you all who are attached know, they're are kids. Ember is my child. Anything I can do to help her, I will. If anyone has a
 suggestion or a thought, I look forward to it. To those so inclined, I ask for your prayers.Lance
	
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