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You are absolutely right, Tonya.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Hideyo, You definitely have way too much on your hands to do adoptions. Maybe you could do a petfinder site though? I know this sounds cruel. I don't know how old you are either... but there comes a time you have to take cats you find like this to a shelter. You can't take them all, and you're too overwhelmed yourself to take in more. :( t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sure that they are adoptable ---and I used to go to adoption clinic every single week a few years ago.. maybe I did adopted out a couple of them during that time.. (I was very very selective as to whom ) but considering the number that I have, considering the amount of time I need to care for the ones I have.. I decided to spend time taking care of them instead of finding a home for one or two in a year or two which will not make much difference in my life.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NOand they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some moreI might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses). janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It's heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the spay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time caring for them. They will start wandering and something could happen to them. She will get pregnant again and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is relieved and it's probably the first break she's had in a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but you
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I actually trapped 4 adult kitties and a total of 8 kittens from this colony (2 different litters) --- unfortunately,, lots of adult kitties including mama kitty got smarter as time went.. and wouldnt go in traps.. the ones trapped got neutered and spayed yesterday.. one was having a difficult time recovering.. but she seems to be better today.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken Is there a safe place to relocate momcat? I have a mini-colony of ferals in my back yard and two were relocated from another place to there. Hideyo, are you a member of the feral cat group yet? You may want to join. It's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the return part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Hideyo,You definitely have way too much on your hands to do adoptions. Maybe you could do a petfinder site though?I know this sounds cruel. I don't know how old you are either... but there comes a time you have to take cats you find like this to a shelter. You can't take them all, and you're too overwhelmed yourself to take in more. :(tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am so sure that they are adoptable ---and I used to go to adoption clinic every single week a few years ago.. maybe I did adopted out a couple of them during that time.. (I was very very selective as to whom ) but considering the number that I have, considering the amount of time I need to care for the ones I have.. I decided to spend time taking care of them instead of finding a home for one or two in a year or two which will not make much difference in my life..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbrokenSenior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NO and they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbrokenWhere are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I'v
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Sounds like a good plan Hideyo - I'm hoping and praying for this to be successful! Good luck - Gloria On May 11, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things – I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out… but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out – they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn’t – there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama’s previous litter – she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don’t mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don’t know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama –I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama…I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama…
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I am so sure that they are adoptable ---and I used to go to adoption clinic every single week a few years ago.. maybe I did adopted out a couple of them during that time.. (I was very very selective as to whom ) but considering the number that I have, considering the amount of time I need to care for the ones I have.. I decided to spend time taking care of them instead of finding a home for one or two in a year or two which will not make much difference in my life.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NOand they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some moreI might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses). janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It's heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the spay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time caring for them. They will start wandering and something could happen to them. She will get pregnant again and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is relieved and it's probably the first break she's had in a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but you wouldn't even know it until they understand they no longer have pretend to be fine just because they have kittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but I always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine. Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make a big difference in her quality of life. --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I kn
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I get it girl. You don't have to explain why you do what you do to me, or probably anyone else on the list. Just in case you were, don't take offense, they were just trying to help. I don't know how anyone deals with adoption. I have such a hard time letting go of anyone, which is why we have so many! You're my hero. I don't know how you take care of so many. I get so overwhelmed with my family and it's nothing like yours. What's your secret? Vitamins? Did you get the pictures I just sent? I sent them to Kerry too, but I just realized she may have already left town. I called her back yesterday, (I think it was yesterday, my mind has turned to mush and I can't remember the simplest things), and she didn't return my call. Isn't it wonderful news about not only Mickey testing neg, but Momma is neg too still? She doesn't have anymore felv kitties in the house!!! Hooray!! And the way she helped convince the money person behind PAWS to add the felv shelter space! Kerry inspires me too. What a great person she is. I love the way she looks for and acknowledges the miracles in her life. It's so great that you got a chance to meet her. I really would love to figure out a way for us all to get together. I was talking to Jasmine the other day and she said that she would be willing to travel for a workshop in AC if we could get enough people interested. Maybe we could do that and all get together then. What do you think? How are all the new guys doing? Have you decided if you are going to trap the Momma of the new guys yet? If you do, will you release her? I know how hard it is to do. We have to start trusting that they will be okay on their own path, without taking personal responsibility for every one of them. I know, I know, easier said than done. Much love to you my dear, Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I am so sure that they are adoptable ---and I used to go to adoption clinic every single week a few years ago.. maybe I did adopted out a couple of them during that time.. (I was very very selective as to whom ) but considering the number that I have, considering the amount of time I need to care for the ones I have.. I decided to spend time taking care of them instead of finding a home for one or two in a year or two which will not make much difference in my life..
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Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Title: Message Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Title: Message I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Title: Message Yes. I figure they have a memory of about 2 or 3 days at most. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Title: Message I know.. thats so sad (or is it blessing??) I had one time rescued a mama kitten who got attacked by a dog and got re-united with her babies after 4 or 5 days and she did not remember the babies at all From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Yes. I figure they have a memory of about 2 or 3 days at most. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Is there a safe place to relocate momcat? I have a mini-colony of ferals in my back yard and two were relocated from another place to there.Hideyo, are you a member of the feral cat group yet? You may want to join. It's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line.Love to you sweetheart,NinaJoan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama's previous litter - she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don't mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don't know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama -I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama...I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama...
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Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the feral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from
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I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NOand they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some moreI might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses). janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It's heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the spay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time caring for them. They will start wandering and something could happen to them. She will get pregnant again and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is relieved and it's probably the first break she's had in a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but you wouldn't even know it until they understand they no longer have pretend to be fine just because they have kittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but I always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine. Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make a big difference in her quality of life. --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the return part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one c
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Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NO and they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbrokenWhere are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were ac
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Hideyo, where do you live? I can try to find another feral caretaker in your area, and see if they can help with holding space and cages. I'm part of a very large feral cat network. Email me DIRECTLY at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with all of your info, including your email address, city, state, and if you don't mind, a phone number. That way I can just copy your text and re-post it to a few resources I have, and see if anyone can help you. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeralFriendsOnline/is another good one. This is the main feral group I am on, it's the email list for Ally Cat Allies, really good list, lots of help, members all over the country. I'm also on a feral cat transport group, if anyone ever needs to relocate a colony or such. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
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I understand how you feel. Have dealt with that problem with my feral dog pack. You HAVE to get them from the mother (and it's hard when they are chow and german shephard mixes!) or they don't have a chance of being socialized. I hope you can trap her.Where do you live, Hideyo? I am seriously considering taking in a positive kitten this summer. tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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True, but how do you get the kittens to stay in the back of the trap and not spring it on themselves.."Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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yes! maybe put one or two kittens only inside a little box at the back of the trap. she'll go in for them.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
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Hi Tonya, You put the kitten in a carrier and back the trap up to the door of the carrier, cover both of them to make a tunnel. The mom hears and smells the kitten and goes in the "tunnel" to investigate tripping the trap. N catatonya wrote: True, but how do you get the kittens to stay in the back of the trap and not spring it on themselves.. "Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.
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Yep that's me, I'm a sucker for senior Meezers! So they come to my home and live their time out sunbathing/eating whenever. I also get calls that people are trying to place their senior meezersfor many reasons that most you know. Idiots! In a message dated 5/11/2006 4:36:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
