RE: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Christiane Biagi
TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.
I did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It
took a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some
boxes.  Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there  covered all
but two sides with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel
open and putting his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to
the bathroom around the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving
the litter box to.  He started eating/going to the box only when nobody was
in the room or at night when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one
day he went out while I was in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed
he’d been eying!  Sure enough, that did it.  Once he found the creature
comforts there was no turning back!  He rarely sits at the window or tries
to go out—sort of looks at the other guys like they’re nuts for wanting to
go out!  He is the absolutely most affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the
one thing I still can’t do is actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or
on my chest when I try to sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick
him up.  Vet visits  crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an
absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her;
keep her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her
become a big mush!

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat

 

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for
a long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all
that my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to
a lady a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after
them and some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street
rescued them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them-
the sister had not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local
agencies and had them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She
already has five indoor cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all
of them have clipped ears (except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some
of them started out as indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked
being like colony cats better so they pretty much stay out year round.  She
has a front porch where she has boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.
They are all male, except for one.
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally
got the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, Lil Girl who
pretty much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for
tapeworms and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was
worried about her being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept
feeding her quality food to beef her up, even after determining her sort-of
home situation.  But now she is a permanent resident pretty much at my front
door.  She is there every morning waiting for me and in the evening. It so
sad because I do not own my house and my landlord needs his house back and I
am moving the weekend after next.  I don't know what to do?  The other
outdoor cats who I feed are just occasional visitors-- they will be fine
without me and I will have a talk with all the neighbors about calling me if
something happens and I was going to leave a couple bags of expensive,
quality food with the lady up the street to feed them, etc.  I know I will
stop by a lot to check on them because I am very tied to the neighborhood by
exercise classes I attend, etc.  But I am really upset about the Lil Girl.
I can't tell if she just hangs out with me and at my house JUST BECAUSE I
feed her and she likes my food better or because she likes me?  I worry
about the effect of my leaving on her?  She'll be waiting for me the next
morning and I won't show?  My landlord is allergic to cats and I doubt he
will be feeding them (I have to have a talk with him about at least being
nice to them tho and letting him know they will be at the door for a while
until they figure it out.  He's young and a hippy/nature person, so he
will be cool about it, he just won't be the cat-person that I was).  But
everytime I think about Lil Girl, I just want to cry.  She's beautiful, but
she's a top banana- she's runs roughshod over the much larger outdoor boy
cats- three and 4 times her size!  It's already going to be crazy enough at
my mom's house trying to integrate my declawed Izzee with my mom's hissing,
scratching Tally, my mom's new Humane Society dog who doesn't like
Tally/cats 

RE: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would offend Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the incredible journey back to her neighborhood/colony 
instinctively?  We feel like we just don't know anything about 
colony/outdoor cats like her and don't feel confident in our abilities to make 
a decision I guess?
-Caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Question about outdoor catDate: 
Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:45 -0400






TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there  covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits  
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum
 
Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her; keep 
her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her become a big 
mush!
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OT: 
Question about outdoor cat
 
This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street rescued 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
  I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, Lil Girl who pretty 
much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for tapeworms 
and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was 

Re: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread ofalegend
I'd have to agree with the take her camp on this one.  I have this adorable 
girl that wandered to my house after I moved in.  I call her Whitey. :)  She's 
a gorgeous domestic longhair, with one blue eye and one brown. She's adorable, 
and sort of just moved in when I did and hasn't left.  All the neighborhood 
cats wander through my yard from time to time, and generally eat there once or 
twice a week, but Whitey has adopted us.  She was horribly skinny and dirty 
when she came to the house...her long hair was matted all over her little 
body.  I've been slowly but surely brushing and loving her, and feeding her 
decent food. Her coat is just about slicked up.  Almost all the mats are out of 
her fur, except her tail, and that has been tough!  But anyway, I've gotten 
quite attached to her.  I keep her treated with frontline, and fed.  She greets 
me every morning when I leave for work and every night when I get home, so I 
can definately relate to your situation, Caroline.  I think this winter I am 
going to buy her one of those electric heating pads for outdoor pets, and put 
it in a nice secure tent/box for her to keep warm.  I know for sure if I ever 
move, Whitey is going with me.  





-Original Message-
From: Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat




TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there  covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits  
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her; keep 
her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her become a big 
mush!

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat



 

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street rescued 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
 
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, Lil Girl who pretty 
much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for tapeworms 
and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was worried about her 
being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept feeding her quality food 
to beef her up, even after determining her sort-of home situation.  But now she 
is a permanent resident pretty much at my front door.  She is there every 
morning waiting for me and in the evening. It so sad because I do not own my 
house and my landlord needs his house back and I am moving the weekend after 
next.  I don't know what

RE: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Yes,..she actually loved Monkee.  She never narrowed her eyes at him or hissed. 
 She truly liked him.  Over time they became buds thru the barrier of the porch 
between them and I really felt she conforted him and provided him company in 
the last months of his life when he wanted to do nothing but sit on the porch 
by himself- with her at the front door.  He would paw at the male cats under 
the front door and huff and puff at them, but he never did to her.  I think he 
had a crush on her!  She is the cat that would follow us around when Monkee 
went for walks on the leash and she was with us at the last walk (his first and 
only true leash-less walk b/c with the anemia, he wasn't going anywhere) he had 
a few days before he passed where all he really did was lay in the street 
pretending he was one of the colony cats...with Lil Girl nearby.  She also 
showed up in the early morning hours (she sleeps under my car a lot), when I 
took Monkee out of the house in his carrier eventually after he died and she 
got to say goodbye.  I wanted her to smell that he wasn't with us any more.  
She's my outdoor bud.  I found two tiny dead baby snakes on my property this 
summer at separate times (it broke my heart, poor things) and I buried them in 
the front yard and Lil Girl helped me.  But I got distracted from Lil Girl 
because I took in Izzee- who was living in a crate in a garage- and then the 
sick kittens, and I had to make quick decisions to help other cats who needed 
me more immediately...knowing that I was only further complicating and delaying 
the ultimate decision of what to do about Lil Girl when I move!
-Caroline 


Subject: RE: Question about outdoor catDate: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:32:10 
-0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's Queen 
Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, maybe not, 
but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food association, 
spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will learn to 
coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for months and 
months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy and 
Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear the sounds 
of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long before 
they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave her butt 
a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
 
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon after Monkee 
died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: 
Question about outdoor cat
Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would offend Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the incredible journey back to her neighborhood/colony 
instinctively?  We feel like we just don't know anything about 
colony/outdoor cats like her and don't feel confident

Re: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread ofalegend
By the way, I forgot to mention she's solid white...hence the name Whitey, 
which I jokingly called her because I never expected her to move in. lol


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Question about outdoor cat


I'd have to agree with the take her camp on this one.  I have this adorable 
girl that wandered to my house after I moved in.  I call her Whitey. :)  She's 
a gorgeous domestic longhair, with one blue eye and one brown. She's adorable, 
and sort of just moved in when I did and hasn't left.  All the neighborhood 
cats wander through my yard from time to time, and generally eat there once or 
twice a week, but Whitey has adopted us.  She was horribly skinny and dirty 
when she came to the house...her long hair was matted all over her little 
body.  I've been slowly but surely brushing and loving her, and feeding her 
decent food. Her coat is just about slicked up.  Almost all the mats are out of 
her fur, except her tail, and that has been tough!  But anyway, I've gotten 
quite attached to her.  I keep her treated with frontline, and fed.  She greets 
me every morning when I leave for work and every night when I get home, so I 
can definately relate to your situation, Caroline.  I think this winter I am 
going to buy her one of those electric heating pads for outdoor pets, and put 
it in a nice secure tent/box for her to keep warm.  I know for sure if I ever 
move, Whitey is going with me.  





-Original Message-
From: Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat




TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there  covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits  
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her; keep 
her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her become a big 
mush!

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat



 

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street rescued 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
 
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, Lil Girl who pretty 
much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for tapeworms 
and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was worried about her 
being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept feeding her quality food 
to beef her up, even after

RE: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's Queen 
Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, maybe not, 
but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food association, 
spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will learn to 
coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for months and 
months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy and 
Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear the sounds 
of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long before 
they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave her butt 
a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
 
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon after Monkee 
died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat


Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would offend Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the incredible journey back to her neighborhood/colony 
instinctively?  We feel like we just don't know anything about 
colony/outdoor cats like her and don't feel confident in our abilities to make 
a decision I guess?
-Caroline  






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:45 -0400



TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him 
inside.  I did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the 
creeps whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  
It took a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some 
boxes.  Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there  covered all but 
two sides with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and 
putting his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom 
around the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box 
to.  He started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at 
night when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while 
I was in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he'd been eying!  Sure 
enough, that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning 
back!  He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out-sort of looks at the 
other guys like they're nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I've ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can't do is 
actually pick him up.  He'll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits  
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already

RE: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
See -- you two are further connected, through Monkee.  If you leave her behind, 
she'll have lost both of you.
 
Diane R. (can you see what my impulse would be? ;-))
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat


Yes,..she actually loved Monkee.  She never narrowed her eyes at him or hissed. 
 She truly liked him.  Over time they became buds thru the barrier of the porch 
between them and I really felt she conforted him and provided him company in 
the last months of his life when he wanted to do nothing but sit on the porch 
by himself- with her at the front door.  He would paw at the male cats under 
the front door and huff and puff at them, but he never did to her.  I think he 
had a crush on her!  She is the cat that would follow us around when Monkee 
went for walks on the leash and she was with us at the last walk (his first and 
only true leash-less walk b/c with the anemia, he wasn't going anywhere) he had 
a few days before he passed where all he really did was lay in the street 
pretending he was one of the colony cats...with Lil Girl nearby.  She also 
showed up in the early morning hours (she sleeps under my car a lot), when I 
took Monkee out of the house in his carrier eventually after he died and she 
got to say goodbye.  I wanted her to smell that he wasn't with us any more.  
She's my outdoor bud.  I found two tiny dead baby snakes on my property this 
summer at separate times (it broke my heart, poor things) and I buried them in 
the front yard and Lil Girl helped me.  But I got distracted from Lil Girl 
because I took in Izzee- who was living in a crate in a garage- and then the 
sick kittens, and I had to make quick decisions to help other cats who needed 
me more immediately...knowing that I was only further complicating and delaying 
the ultimate decision of what to do about Lil Girl when I move!
-Caroline 






Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:32:10 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's 
Queen Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, 
maybe not, but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food 
association, spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will 
learn to coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for 
months and months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy 
and Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear 
the sounds of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long 
before they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave 
her butt a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
 
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon 
after Monkee died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat


Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, 
but likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is 
different because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely 
doesn't have that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of 
people and especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more 
afraid, my mom and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know 
how to manage that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just 
continue to run roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  
She looks at my foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I 
swear, she glares at them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little 
lunatics (which, they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and 
my sweet foster cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the 
kittens in.  I really don't want

RE: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

It's that transition of taking her with me that I am so concerned about.  I 
want her to be happy and I don't want her to be overly aggressive towards my 
wimpy kitties.  Izzee with no claws (I didn't do it!) is such a concern b/c she 
thinks she has claws- so she will swipe instinctively when she doesn't know 
what to do and another cat will not know she is clawless!
 
Brace yourself for this physical description b/c it's unique: Lil Girl is like 
nothing I have ever seen before and she should not be an outdoor cat.  She is 
calico, but also tortie? I don't know what she would be considered?...she's 
mainly a predominately light brown tortie b/c she has the tortie splotches, but 
with, I kid you not, white feet- all four.  It gets even better...she is tabby 
stripped too-- I swear- on the side of her cheeks, she has black tabby stripes. 
 She also has clear black tabby stripes winding up her back legs.  It still 
gets better...she is also Orange Tabby Striped!  She has the orange tabby tiger 
forehead markings- she has the orange tabby M on her head- and they are also 
kind of intertwined on her cheeks, side of her head with her black tabby 
stripes.  She has a deep tan nose pad and a tan and white center of her face-- 
with a mini white blaze on her nose.  She is so randomly painted, it almost 
seems not random at all...like it was an evil genuis's joke creation!  Her face 
is also kind of blunted in her mouth area, like she's been hit with a frying 
pan in the mouth, but the result is beautiful- she has very strong facial 
features and prominent cheek bones, very angular...she's just gorgeous!  Here's 
the best part (does it get better than that?), she has true green, green, cat 
eyes!  I can't believe she's living on the street with that distinctive look.  
She represents the ultimate in cat mutt to me and the end result is amazing.  
And she's really beefed up her small frame since I got rid of the tapeworms and 
keep her fed high quality food (she's an Eagle Pack nut!).
 
I just wish she wasn't such a TomCat trapped in a pretty little spayed female 
body!!  But that is the best way to describe her...very tomcat acting and that 
is why I worry about her integrating with cats who are anything but  
 
-Caroline   


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Question about outdoor catDate: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 
16:00:10 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'d have to agree with the take her camp 
on this one.  I have this adorable girl that wandered to my house after I moved 
in.  I call her Whitey. :)  She's a gorgeous domestic longhair, with one blue 
eye and one brown. She's adorable, and sort of just moved in when I did and 
hasn't left.  All the neighborhood cats wander through my yard from time to 
time, and generally eat there once or twice a week, but Whitey has adopted us.  
She was horribly skinny and dirty when she came to the house...her long hair 
was matted all over her little body.  I've been slowly but surely brushing and 
loving her, and feeding her decent food. Her coat is just about slicked up.  
Almost all the mats are out of her fur, except her tail, and that has been 
tough!  But anyway, I've gotten quite attached to her.  I keep her treated with 
frontline, and fed.  She greets me every morning when I leave for work and 
every night when I get home, so I can definately relate to your situation, 
Caroline.  I think this winter I am going to buy her one of those electric 
heating pads for outdoor pets, and put it in a nice secure tent/box for her to 
keep warm.  I know for sure if I ever move, Whitey is going with me.  
-Original Message-From: Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 3:31 pmSubject: RE: Question about outdoor cat




TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there  covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep