Re: fixing a leukemia kitty
For what it's worth I just had Buzz, my FeLV cat neutered last Thursday. The vet said the stress of neutering would be much less then the stress they go though when they want to roam and mate. He came through it amazingly well, even that evening I could hardly tell he had the procedure done. He wanted to eat and play and was his normal cheerful purring self. Good luck whatever you decide. Sue Dorothy Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend that type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: fixing a leukemia kitty
Another thought: When Dixie was tested she was scheduled to be spayed. The vets, whom it trust beyond words, recommended that she be spayed at a later date when I had decided what to do with her and when she was less stressed and healthier (better fed, supplements whatever). The theory was/is that she would be less stressed by the surgery than y going into heat several times a year. It turned out Dixie had been spayed (I spent a lot of money on a hormone test to make sure she needed to be spayed based on communications with several ACs who turned out to be very right). I won't advocate s/n or not s/n a FELV+ cat but put this on the table: is the surgery or reproductive cyclesfor either gender---more stressful? As I said, I lucked out and didn't have to make that decision. d On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Dorothy Noble wrote: I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend that type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
RE: fixing a leukemia kitty
If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: fixing a leukemia kittyDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _ Helping your
RE: fixing a leukemia kitty
~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
Re: fixing a leukemia kitty
Ask the vet if you can be there. All he/she can say is no. A lot don't want a person there because she may faint, etc. and distract them from the welfare of the cat. On Feb 7, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Lynne wrote: I called the vet today and asked that they tell me the absolute best time to bring him in so he wouldn't have to wait at all so he's scheduled first at 8:15. I asked if I could take him home as soon as he came around and the assistant said Dr. Gill would decide that tomorrow and probably with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible. I said hey, wait a minute here, you don't discriminate against cats with this disease do you, like he's gonna die anyway so if it's now what's the difference She said, oh no, we think it's wonderful that you have taken this challenge on. I'm supposed to be at work tomorrow for 9 but I fully intend to stay until I know he's out of the woods. The pharmacy across the hall can tell anyone waiting outside the office I'll be late if need be. If I had my way I'd be there in the operating room. I don't want to make a nuissance of myself but I want to know what's going on too. I also want a CBC done at the time just to get an idea of what his blood is like. My husband and I love this little guy so much. When I go to bed, earlier than Bob, to watch some news, BooBoo follows me upstairs and hops on the bed with his little paws hanging over the side and he watches with me. We both like Hillary Clinton by the way. When she's on I swear he is totally intrigued. He just stares at the TV. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv + feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered
Re: fixing a leukemia kitty
Caroline, What did your holistic vet say about remedies to give a cat under going stress? I know Dr. Maier has a number she uses but I am out of touch with them. They could help reduce the stress and reverse any drugs given. I will never vaccinate Dixie given her status. She is perfectly healthy and an indoor cat. I'll take my chances with any diseases she might possibly pick up. On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv + feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were
Re: fixing a leukemia kitty
Oh, maybe that is what they meant Kerry. I'm just very sensitive and probably over protective of him. I sometimes I think I aggravate him because I go and check to see what he's doing every few minutes. He's sleeping on the stairs, on his back with all four legs sticking up in the air. Better go and make sure he's breathing!!! Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible Hi Lynne, I took the comment to mean they wouldn't want to stress BooBoo out any more than necessary, as stress depletes their already depleted immune system and vet clinic is always stressful. I hope that's what they meant anyway! He sounds a real sweetie! Kerry -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty I called the vet today and asked that they tell me the absolute best time to bring him in so he wouldn't have to wait at all so he's scheduled first at 8:15. I asked if I could take him home as soon as he came around and the assistant said Dr. Gill would decide that tomorrow and probably with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible. I said hey, wait a minute here, you don't discriminate against cats with this disease do you, like he's gonna die anyway so if it's now what's the difference She said, oh no, we think it's wonderful that you have taken this challenge on. I'm supposed to be at work tomorrow for 9 but I fully intend to stay until I know he's out of the woods. The pharmacy across the hall can tell anyone waiting outside the office I'll be late if need be. If I had my way I'd be there in the operating room. I don't want to make a nuissance of myself but I want to know what's going on too. I also want a CBC done at the time just to get an idea of what his blood is like. My husband and I love this little guy so much. When I go to bed, earlier than Bob, to watch some news, BooBoo follows me upstairs and hops on the bed with his little paws hanging over the side and he watches with me. We both like Hillary Clinton by the way. When she's on I swear he is totally intrigued. He just stares at the TV. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about
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We just had Autumn spayed three weeks ago and there were no complications. She has reacted badly to vaccinations in the past so we were very nervous, but she came through with flying colors. The did a pre-op blood test for kidney and liver function. They also sent us home with 10 days worth of Clavimox. She had no fevers or anything. The most stressful thing was trying to make sure she didn't jump around and that she didn't yank out her stitches. Her surgery was on the 21st and now the incision site is healed and her hair is growing back. We went forward with the surgery because the heat cycle was very stressful for her. ~Susan A.
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Me, too. Great idea re pre-op blood work, too. Prayers for Booboo and his humans tomorrow!! Laurie - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible Hi Lynne, I took the comment to mean they wouldn't want to stress BooBoo out any more than necessary, as stress depletes their already depleted immune system and vet clinic is always stressful. I hope that's what they meant anyway! He sounds a real sweetie! Kerry -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty I called the vet today and asked that they tell me the absolute best time to bring him in so he wouldn't have to wait at all so he's scheduled first at 8:15. I asked if I could take him home as soon as he came around and the assistant said Dr. Gill would decide that tomorrow and probably with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible. I said hey, wait a minute here, you don't discriminate against cats with this disease do you, like he's gonna die anyway so if it's now what's the difference She said, oh no, we think it's wonderful that you have taken this challenge on. I'm supposed to be at work tomorrow for 9 but I fully intend to stay until I know he's out of the woods. The pharmacy across the hall can tell anyone waiting outside the office I'll be late if need be. If I had my way I'd be there in the operating room. I don't want to make a nuissance of myself but I want to know what's going on too. I also want a CBC done at the time just to get an idea of what his blood is like. My husband and I love this little guy so much. When I go to bed, earlier than Bob, to watch some news, BooBoo follows me upstairs and hops on the bed with his little paws hanging over the side and he watches with me. We both like Hillary Clinton by the way. When she's on I swear he is totally intrigued. He just stares at the TV. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask
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with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible Hi Lynne, I took the comment to mean they wouldn't want to stress BooBoo out any more than necessary, as stress depletes their already depleted immune system and vet clinic is always stressful. I hope that's what they meant anyway! He sounds a real sweetie! Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty I called the vet today and asked that they tell me the absolute best time to bring him in so he wouldn't have to wait at all so he's scheduled first at 8:15. I asked if I could take him home as soon as he came around and the assistant said Dr. Gill would decide that tomorrow and probably with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible. I said hey, wait a minute here, you don't discriminate against cats with this disease do you, like he's gonna die anyway so if it's now what's the difference She said, oh no, we think it's wonderful that you have taken this challenge on. I'm supposed to be at work tomorrow for 9 but I fully intend to stay until I know he's out of the woods. The pharmacy across the hall can tell anyone waiting outside the office I'll be late if need be. If I had my way I'd be there in the operating room. I don't want to make a nuissance of myself but I want to know what's going on too. I also want a CBC done at the time just to get an idea of what his blood is like. My husband and I love this little guy so much. When I go to bed, earlier than Bob, to watch some news, BooBoo follows me upstairs and hops on the bed with his little paws hanging over the side and he watches with me. We both like Hillary Clinton by the way. When she's on I swear he is totally intrigued. He just stares at the TV. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie
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pre-op blood work is really important, so if it hasn't been done yet, I recommend it. since I have more experience with geriatric cats, our vet always did it before even considering a tooth cleaning b/c of the risk of putting an old cat under. it tells the vet a lot. we had one the we decided against the tooth cleaning b/c of the blood work. another- Rambo- the one that lived the longest (19), the vet said his blood work was fine and we absolutely needed to do a cleaning and by then Rambo was old old and I was freaking out! I told my mom if he died during the tooth cleaning I was going to kill the vet b/c he promised, based on blood work, that is was okay. I was a mess that day but Rambo came through totally fine. Since then I'm a firm believer in the pre-op blood work. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: fixing a leukemia kittyDate: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:51:20 -0500 I called the vet today and asked that they tell me the absolute best time to bring him in so he wouldn't have to wait at all so he's scheduled first at 8:15. I asked if I could take him home as soon as he came around and the assistant said Dr. Gill would decide that tomorrow and probably with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible. I said hey, wait a minute here, you don't discriminate against cats with this disease do you, like he's gonna die anyway so if it's now what's the difference She said, oh no, we think it's wonderful that you have taken this challenge on. I'm supposed to be at work tomorrow for 9 but I fully intend to stay until I know he's out of the woods. The pharmacy across the hall can tell anyone waiting outside the office I'll be late if need be. If I had my way I'd be there in the operating room. I don't want to make a nuissance of myself but I want to know what's going on too. I also want a CBC done at the time just to get an idea of what his blood is like. My husband and I love this little guy so much. When I go to bed, earlier than Bob, to watch some news, BooBoo follows me upstairs and hops on the bed with his little paws hanging over the side and he watches with me. We both like Hillary Clinton by the way. When she's on I swear he is totally intrigued. He just stares at the TV. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine.caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: fixing a leukemia kittyDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined
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I called the vet today and asked that they tell me the absolute best time to bring him in so he wouldn't have to wait at all so he's scheduled first at 8:15. I asked if I could take him home as soon as he came around and the assistant said Dr. Gill would decide that tomorrow and probably with Boo's condition he wouldn't want him around any longer than possible. I said hey, wait a minute here, you don't discriminate against cats with this disease do you, like he's gonna die anyway so if it's now what's the difference She said, oh no, we think it's wonderful that you have taken this challenge on. I'm supposed to be at work tomorrow for 9 but I fully intend to stay until I know he's out of the woods. The pharmacy across the hall can tell anyone waiting outside the office I'll be late if need be. If I had my way I'd be there in the operating room. I don't want to make a nuissance of myself but I want to know what's going on too. I also want a CBC done at the time just to get an idea of what his blood is like. My husband and I love this little guy so much. When I go to bed, earlier than Bob, to watch some news, BooBoo follows me upstairs and hops on the bed with his little paws hanging over the side and he watches with me. We both like Hillary Clinton by the way. When she's on I swear he is totally intrigued. He just stares at the TV. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: fixing a leukemia kitty If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way
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Caroline, Does Dr. Maier do phone consults? I'm so sorry for your losses. I may have found an attorney, would like to talk to you when you feel able. Kelley On Feb 7, 2008 4:56 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we give Thuja on the day of any vaccinations to help the body deal with that stress and the immune response. I have the dose at home and can't remember it now. Dr. Maier says Thuja is a must to have on hand when doing rescue work. It's also given to any cat that had vaccs in the past to try to detox. It's for detoxing mainly. I'm not an expert so I don't know if it can be used for post-surgery reasons or not? Altho I did buy the cat rescue kit of homepathic meds from Washington Homeopathy and the book Dr. Maier recommended on homeopathic care for cats. I can look thru the book tonight to see if there are any remedies to be given post-surgery. And the good thing with homeopathy is that it's not like it's prescribing drugs or anything- everything is safe and can be used in conjunction with conventional care and conventional drugs. We regularly use the cat nap spray from Dr. Maier all the time to reduce stress- it's aromaptherapy for cats. I have a warm humidifier I use in my room and instead of putting liquid Vicks in the reservoir, I would pour the cat nap in it! The Late Great Possum (Possee) LOVED IT! He must have been so cold all the time and he worshipped the humidifier and I'sm sure the aromatherapy helped b/c that little guy never knew anything was wrong with him! I think Dr. Maier relies mostly on her homemade flower essences for stress and I guess store bought Rescue Remedy can always be used if you don't have a homeopathic vet to mix up an individualized formula for you. I know some people say it doesn't work, but the last thing I put in Monkee's mouth literally as he was dying in my arms and struggling to breathe was Dr. Maier's flower essences (I didn't know what else to do- it was terrifying) and I swear those eased his passing b/c it did happen so fast and he struggled very briefly. Then of course my mom and I both started spraying Rescue Rem in our own mouths (b/c she was with me when Monkee died) and we were verging on hysteria. I swear up and down it helped. But sometimes I think it has to be at the height of one of these situations for you to REALIZE it helped- like an extreme situation. gosh, sorry I'm such a downer lately! Just a rough few months you know? caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:38:59 -0600 Caroline, What did your holistic vet say about remedies to give a cat under going stress? I know Dr. Maier has a number she uses but I am out of touch with them. They could help reduce the stress and reverse any drugs given. I will never vaccinate Dixie given her status. She is perfectly healthy and an indoor cat. I'll take my chances with any diseases she might possibly pick up. On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so
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Ack, sorry, that was supposed to go to Caroline individually I'm so upset over Missy I can't do my emails right, very sorry. On Feb 7, 2008 5:11 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline, Does Dr. Maier do phone consults? I'm so sorry for your losses. I may have found an attorney, would like to talk to you when you feel able. Kelley On Feb 7, 2008 4:56 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we give Thuja on the day of any vaccinations to help the body deal with that stress and the immune response. I have the dose at home and can't remember it now. Dr. Maier says Thuja is a must to have on hand when doing rescue work. It's also given to any cat that had vaccs in the past to try to detox. It's for detoxing mainly. I'm not an expert so I don't know if it can be used for post-surgery reasons or not? Altho I did buy the cat rescue kit of homepathic meds from Washington Homeopathy and the book Dr. Maier recommended on homeopathic care for cats. I can look thru the book tonight to see if there are any remedies to be given post-surgery. And the good thing with homeopathy is that it's not like it's prescribing drugs or anything- everything is safe and can be used in conjunction with conventional care and conventional drugs. We regularly use the cat nap spray from Dr. Maier all the time to reduce stress- it's aromaptherapy for cats. I have a warm humidifier I use in my room and instead of putting liquid Vicks in the reservoir, I would pour the cat nap in it! The Late Great Possum (Possee) LOVED IT! He must have been so cold all the time and he worshipped the humidifier and I'sm sure the aromatherapy helped b/c that little guy never knew anything was wrong with him! I think Dr. Maier relies mostly on her homemade flower essences for stress and I guess store bought Rescue Remedy can always be used if you don't have a homeopathic vet to mix up an individualized formula for you. I know some people say it doesn't work, but the last thing I put in Monkee's mouth literally as he was dying in my arms and struggling to breathe was Dr. Maier's flower essences (I didn't know what else to do- it was terrifying) and I swear those eased his passing b/c it did happen so fast and he struggled very briefly. Then of course my mom and I both started spraying Rescue Rem in our own mouths (b/c she was with me when Monkee died) and we were verging on hysteria. I swear up and down it helped. But sometimes I think it has to be at the height of one of these situations for you to REALIZE it helped- like an extreme situation. gosh, sorry I'm such a downer lately! Just a rough few months you know? caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:38:59 -0600 Caroline, What did your holistic vet say about remedies to give a cat under going stress? I know Dr. Maier has a number she uses but I am out of touch with them. They could help reduce the stress and reverse any drugs given. I will never vaccinate Dixie given her status. She is perfectly healthy and an indoor cat. I'll take my chances with any diseases she might possibly pick up. On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: If he's healthy now, then do it. Feleuk cats are prone to cancers- a lot of times, that is what gets them in the end, particularly lymphoscarcoma. Lymphosarcoma is the most common form of cancer in cats and dogs- feleuk or otherwise. But the incidence in Felv+ cats is even higher. This is what my cat Monkee came down with (found a lump on his leg). If neutering would further reduce his risk of cancer, then it's worth the small risk of putting him under but if he is indeed Feleuk positive, then he has double the chances of getting some time of cancer. And it's true that a neuter is a much simpler operation than a spay and there's basically no recovery issues- assuming there are no complications (unlike the frequent popped stitches that come with spaying). The group I volunteer for is currently working it's way through fixing an entire colony of Felv+ feral cats and there haven't been any problems. And they are feral-- which I should think the stress of the catching, surgery, immediate release, must be even worse for them, so if they can handle it, your boy who's asymptomatic, healthy now that he's with you, and getting love and affection, will be fine. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:58 -0600 Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular
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I was also thinking of Lynne's kitty having surgery this week and was hoping that no vaccinations will be given to a kitty who is immune compromised and faced with the stress of surgery. (2 cents) Jane On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Dorothy Noble wrote: I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend that type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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Jane, the vet told me he was going to hold off on any immunizations and when and if we did do them, they would have to be ordered because he wouldn't be getting the same vaccinations as a healthy cat. I'm wondering if the regular immunizations are live viruses and perhaps cats with feline leukemia get non live ones? Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty I was also thinking of Lynne's kitty having surgery this week and was hoping that no vaccinations will be given to a kitty who is immune compromised and faced with the stress of surgery. (2 cents) Jane On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Dorothy Noble wrote: I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend that type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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You know, neutering a male is much less invasive then a female. I've had all mine neutered/spayed-my own opinion is that the risk of being unneutered far outweighs the risk of neutering. There is always some risk to any anesthesia, whether it be a FELV + or not. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/ca tegory.php?category=shopping them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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Thank you Laurie for your input. My husband and I have been discussing this and he's of the opinion that the cat is healthy now so what would we wait for. Apparently when he lived at his previous owners he was always escaping and wanting to get out. That's how we came to know him. He spent almost every day in our driveway sleeping last summer and we became attached to him. I always worried something would happen to him on his way back home in the evening crossing the road. Maybe neutering will make him not want to go out although he hasn't even hinted at wanting to go so far. I'm sure that would change come breeding season. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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Lynne, I agree with your husband. You'd hate to not even have the option later. Perhaps you can keep it low stress by bringing him back home as soon as the vet can release him (if one of you can work it out to pick him up). L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Thank you Laurie for your input. My husband and I have been discussing this and he's of the opinion that the cat is healthy now so what would we wait for. Apparently when he lived at his previous owners he was always escaping and wanting to get out. That's how we came to know him. He spent almost every day in our driveway sleeping last summer and we became attached to him. I always worried something would happen to him on his way back home in the evening crossing the road. Maybe neutering will make him not want to go out although he hasn't even hinted at wanting to go so far. I'm sure that would change come breeding season. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Lynne, my friend has all her feline leukemia kitties altered. I think one, in 20 years, had a problem. At least for a female, our vet believes the stress of the regular heat cycle would be greater than that of the spay. And you are right that an unneutered male is at risk of certain cancers...and he's already potentially immune compromised. We had Isabella scheduled for her spay 2 or 3 times and each time she had a temp so we didn't do it. When she got so bad that we needed an ultrasound, the vet discovered she had hemaclips or something like that which meant she was already spayed. Boy were we relieved that we had not put her under and had cut open unnecessarily! (The vet had shaved her when we first rescued her and could not find a spay scar). I would not be as worried about a neuter as a spay ~ if Boo is otherwise in good health and esp since he's not going to be vaccinated now. We did not vaccinate Isabella. I have watched a neuter being done. It takes no time at all. He won't be under long. I would ask whether they do a reversal and if the vet thinks this is a good idea for him.Bottom line for me ~ if the vet thinks it's ok to do the alter, I would be inclined to do it. Afterall, I am sure he doesn't want a poor result. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty Dorothy, believe me, this is weighing heavy on my mind. He's scheduled to go in this Friday. The vet assured me he was healthy and up to it. If it were a spaying I probably would definitely be worried since I think it is a more complicated surgery. I still have tomorrow to reconsider. I would definitely be happier if his urine were not so strong smelling and I have read that neutered cats can be healthier, ie less likely to develop prostate or other cancers so I'm really torn as to which way to go. I do not want him to be wanting to go out. The first night we had him the little buggar went upstairs and peed in an unoccupied bedroom and it took two days to clean, air the place and get the smell out. We had his litter box ready but he chose to mark this room. The door has since been closed and he faithfully uses his litter box but once the breeding season comes, I don't know what he'll do. What do the rest of you think. Should I hold off on this surgery? Boo is somewhere between 4 and 6 years old, kind of old for neutering but I truly want what's best for him. Thanks Dorothy for your input. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: fixing a leukemia kitty I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend t hat type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking
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Lynne just make sure that that 'everyone' knows that there are to be no vaccinations. You'll have time to research which, if any vaccinations, he should have in the future. We'll send you good thoughts on Friday. I am sure he will be fine. I'll find links for good research on vaccinations when you get through this. Jane On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Lynne wrote: Jane, the vet told me he was going to hold off on any immunizations and when and if we did do them, they would have to be ordered because he wouldn't be getting the same vaccinations as a healthy cat. I'm wondering if the regular immunizations are live viruses and perhaps cats with feline leukemia get non live ones? Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: fixing a leukemia kitty I was also thinking of Lynne's kitty having surgery this week and was hoping that no vaccinations will be given to a kitty who is immune compromised and faced with the stress of surgery. (2 cents) Jane On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Dorothy Noble wrote: I was reading Lynne's postings about her new cat being neutered this weekend - I just wanted to pass along a little ifo I had received from a society in Missouri. I was looking to adopt a FeLV kitty (to be a friend to my other FeLV) and I was inquiring about cats that they had. I asked if they would be spayed or neutered prior to adoption and she emphatically said NO. She said that if they were not already fixed, they definitely do NOT recommend that type of surgery on a cat with leukemia, due to their already fragile immune systems. (I chose to wait until I could find one who was already fixed because I definitely like my cats to be altered.) Just a little food for thought - I would hate to have something happen to your friend during a surgery! Dorothy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
