Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

2019-07-26 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Thank you Amani for giving this information again - if the vet is working with 
the pet and it's person there really isn't anything to lose trying "Zander's 
Protocol".


Sandy W

> On July 26, 2019 at 12:50 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Deborah
> 
>  
> 
> Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the 
> combination Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved 
> quickly, as well as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it 
> but their cat died very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting 
> asking for suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, 
> whether trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just 
> completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you 
> are wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in 
> addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think 
> one thing precludes the other.
> 
>  
> 
> There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, 
> when cats are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines 
> (platelets and white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to 
> choose from.
> 
>  
> 
> I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol 
> in many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to 
> steroids generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years 
> ago), they used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment 
> which involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around 
> the time of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and 
> then rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the 
> liver, so everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful 
> for many conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace 
> what it can do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah 
> Whorley
> Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving 
> Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
> 
>  
> 
> Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried 
> your protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and 
> will present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Deb
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

2019-07-26 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Deborah

Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the combination 
Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved quickly, as well 
as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it but their cat died 
very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting asking for 
suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, whether 
trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just 
completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you are 
wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in 
addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think one 
thing precludes the other.

There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, when cats 
are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines (platelets and 
white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to choose from.

I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol in 
many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to steroids 
generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years ago), they 
used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment which 
involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around the time 
of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and then 
rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the liver, so 
everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful for many 
conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace what it can 
do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah 
Whorley
Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving 
Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried your 
protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and will 
present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try.

Thanks,
Deb

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Hi Deborah

The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the 
low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.

Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can 
also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of 
inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system 
to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a 
source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic 
infection as well.

If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of 
antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram 
negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with 
another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more 
unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would 
also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect 
on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn?t be that 
worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn?t hurt to hold 
off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other 
Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.

Amani

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 On Behalf Of Deborah

Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

2019-07-26 Thread Deborah Whorley
Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried your
protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and will
present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try.

Thanks,
Deb

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> Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
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> Hi Deborah
>
> The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is
> the low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.
>
> Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they
> can also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of
> inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory
> system to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that
> there ma be a source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with
> a chronic infection as well.
>
> If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of
> antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram
> negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with
> another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more
> unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I
> would also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent
> enhancing effect on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself
> wouldn?t be that worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably
> wouldn?t hurt to hold off on that one and see if you get some improvement
> on the Doxycycline/Other Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah
> Whorley
> Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving
> Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
>
> Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with
> constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she
> does when she is ?backed up? but 100 cc SQ fluids didn?t resolve the issue
> as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve.  I ended up with
> her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible
> (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in
> lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due
> to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and
> mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case?. Going back on Fri to
> my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years
> and want to try Amani?s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate
> giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb
>
> CBC (21Jul2019)
> NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have
> insisted upon
>
> TestResultFlagNormal Range  Measure
> RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87  M/?L
> HCT24.4L  37.3 61.7   %
> HGB7.8  L  13.1 20.5
>  g/dL
> MCV   47.7L   61.6 73.5  fL
> MCH   15.3L   21.2 25.9  pg
> MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9
> g/dL
> RDW  23.6H  13.6 21.7  %
> %RETIC 0.2
>   %
> RETIC8.7  L   10.0 110.0
>   K/?L
>
> WBC   * 2.39  5.05 16.76K/?L
> %NEU* 32.6
>   

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2

2019-07-25 Thread Deborah Whorley
Thanks Amani. Good advice, hopefully my vet will agree.

Deb

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> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:45:12 +
> From: Amani Oakley 
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> Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
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> Hi Deborah
>
> The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is
> the low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.
>
> Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they
> can also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of
> inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory
> system to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that
> there ma be a source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with
> a chronic infection as well.
>
> If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of
> antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram
> negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with
> another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more
> unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I
> would also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent
> enhancing effect on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself
> wouldn?t be that worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably
> wouldn?t hurt to hold off on that one and see if you get some improvement
> on the Doxycycline/Other Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah
> Whorley
> Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving
> Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
>
> Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with
> constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she
> does when she is ?backed up? but 100 cc SQ fluids didn?t resolve the issue
> as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve.  I ended up with
> her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible
> (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in
> lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due
> to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and
> mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case?. Going back on Fri to
> my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years
> and want to try Amani?s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate
> giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb
>
> CBC (21Jul2019)
> NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have
> insisted upon
>
> TestResultFlagNormal Range  Measure
> RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87  M/?L
> HCT24.4L  37.3 61.7   %
> HGB7.8  L  13.1 20.5
>  g/dL
> MCV   47.7L   61.6 73.5  fL
> MCH   15.3L   21.2 25.9  pg
> MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9
> g/dL
> RDW  23.6H  13.6 21.7  %
> %RETIC 0.2
>   %
> RETIC8.7  L   10.0 110.0
>   K/?L
>
> WBC   * 2.39  5.05 16.76K/?L
> %NEU* 32.6
>  %
> %LYM* 36.8
>  %
> %MONO * 28.5
>   %
> %EOS * 0.4
> %
> %BASO 

Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

2019-07-25 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Deborah

The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the 
low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.

Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can 
also go quite low with an infection – often if there is a focal area of 
inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system 
to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a 
source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic 
infection as well.

If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of 
antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram 
negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with 
another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more 
unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would 
also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect 
on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn’t be that 
worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn’t hurt to hold 
off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other 
Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah 
Whorley
Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol 
with low WBC

Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with 
constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does 
when she is “backed up” but 100 cc SQ fluids didn’t resolve the issue as it 
normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve.  I ended up with her in the 
emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). 
Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, 
and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating 
dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave 
Convenia "just in case”. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been 
following this group for several years and want to try Amani’s treatment 
protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? 
Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb

CBC (21Jul2019)
NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have 
insisted upon

TestResultFlagNormal Range  Measure
RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87  M/μL
HCT24.4L  37.3 61.7   %
HGB7.8  L  13.1 20.5   
g/dL
MCV   47.7L   61.6 73.5  fL
MCH   15.3L   21.2 25.9  pg
MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9  g/dL
RDW  23.6H  13.6 21.7  %
%RETIC 0.2  
%
RETIC8.7  L   10.0 110.0
K/μL

WBC   * 2.39  5.05 16.76K/μL
%NEU* 32.6  
   %
%LYM* 36.8  
   %
%MONO * 28.5
%
%EOS * 0.4  
  %
%BASO  * 1.7
%
NEU--.-- 2.95 11.64 K/μL
BAND * Suspected
LYM* 0.88 1.05 5.10K/μL
MONO* 0.68 0.16 
1.12   K/μL
EOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23   K/μL
BASO  * 0.04 0.00 0.10   K/μL
nRBC  * Suspected
PLT * 182  148 484  K/μL
MPV   17.6H 8.7 13.2  fL
PDW   --.-- 9.1 19.4 fL
PCT 0.320.14 0.46   %
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

2019-07-25 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
I am not knowledgeable enough to say anything, best left to Amani.  I can pray 
for her.
- Original Message -
From: Deborah Whorley 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:59:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol 
with low WBC

Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with 
constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does 
when she is “backed up” but 100 cc SQ fluids didn’t resolve the issue as it 
normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve.  I ended up with her in the 
emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). 
Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, 
and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating 
dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave 
Convenia "just in case”. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been 
following this group for several years and want to try Amani’s treatment 
protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? 
Thanks in advance for any advise. - DebCBC (21Jul2019) NOTE: they did not 
repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have insisted uponTest Result 
Flag Normal Range MeasureRBC 5.11  L 5.65 8.87M/μLHCT 24.4 L
 37.3 61.7 %HGB 7.8 L 13.1 20.5 g/dLMCV 47.7 L  61.6 73.5 
fLMCH 15.3 L  21.2 25.9 pgMCHC 32.0  32.0 37.9 g/dLRDW 
23.6 H  13.6 21.7 %%RETIC 0.2 %RETIC 8.7 L  
10.0 110.0 K/μLWBC * 2.39  5.05 16.76 K/μL%NEU * 32.6   
  %%LYM * 36.8 %%MONO * 28.5 %%EOS 
* 0.4 %%BASO * 1.7 %NEU --.-- 2.95 11.64
 K/μLBAND * SuspectedLYM * 0.88 1.05 5.10K/μLMONO * 
0.68 0.16 1.12 K/μLEOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23 
K/μLBASO * 0.04 0.00 0.10 K/μLnRBC * SuspectedPLT * 182 
148 484 K/μLMPV 17.6 H 8.7 13.2 fLPDW --.-- 9.1 19.4
 fLPCT 0.320.14 0.46 %

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Re: [Felvtalk] FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants

2019-06-16 Thread Pam Doore
That sure would be nice!


> On Jun 15, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Lorraine Johnston  
> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps there will be additional funding for FeLV research resulting from 
> this change.
>  
> - Lorraine
>  
>  
> If your email program has trouble displaying this email, view it as a web 
> page 
> .
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  
> FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants
>  
>  
> Application period opens June 14, 2019
>  
> The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced an open period for 
> applications for grants to support the development and approval or 
> conditional approval of new animal drugs intended to treat uncommon diseases 
> (minor uses) in major species (horses, dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, turkeys and 
> chickens) or to treat minor species (MUMS). The individual award amount has 
> been increased to a single funding level up to $250,000.
>  
> The Minor Use and Minor Species Animal Health Act of 2004 (the MUMS act) 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-13 Thread Ardy Robertson
So very sorry Patricia – your love kept Nori going probably longer than she 
would have had.

Ardy

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after 
work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).


I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. 
They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says 
it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on 
sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, 
with sun bath and love. 

 

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

 

Thank you very much.

 

 

Patrícia

 

Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

We’re all pulling for Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

 

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

 

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. 

 

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too. 

 

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.

 

 

 

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

Patricia

 

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

 

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

 

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own. 

 

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

 

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

 

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26

2019-06-12 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Thank you, Bob.

Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 12:31, ROBERT CHAPEL 
escreveu:

> I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have
> Patricia I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful...
> FeLV is such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many
> complications...
> Bob
>
> On June 11, 2019 at 10:56 AM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400
> From: Pam Doore 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry!
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira <
> cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there
> after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.
>
> Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and mannitol).
>
> I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.
>
> When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary
> arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.
>
> Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed
> away.
>
> As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians
> says it is fip.
>
> I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t bring her
> home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more
> day at home, with sun bath and love.
>
> I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for
> Nori.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> >
>
> Patr?cia
>
> Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> >> We?re all pulling for Nori.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of
> *Ardy
> >> Robertson
> >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping
> >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the
> Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
> >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for
> taking
> >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
> >>
> >> Ardy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of
> *Amani
> >> Oakley
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for
> now, it
> >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the
> IV
> >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn?t take
> much
> >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> >&g

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-11 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Dear Patricia,

 

I am so sorry about Nori dying. She was a very lucky girl to have had you to 
help her at the end of her life.

 

Sadly,

 

- Lorraine

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after 
work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).


I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. 
They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says 
it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on 
sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, 
with sun bath and love. 

 

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

 

Thank you very much.

 

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26

2019-06-11 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have 
Patricia I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful... FeLV is 
such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many complications...
Bob

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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400
> From: Pam Doore mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com >
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry!
> 
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
> 
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira 
> mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com >
> wrote:
> 
> > > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went 
> there
> > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a 
> > seizure.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and 
> mannitol).
> > 
> > > 
> > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a 
> farewell.
> > 
> > > 
> > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a 
> cardiopulmonary
> > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had 
> passed
> > away.
> > 
> > > 
> > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian 
> veterinarians
> > says it is fip.
> > 
> > > 
> > > I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t 
> bring her
> > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had 
> > one more
> > day at home, with sun bath and love.
> > 
> > > 
> > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could 
> find for
> > Nori.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much.
> > 
> > > >
> 
> > > Patr?cia
> > 
> > > 
> > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com >
> > escreveu:
> > 
> > > >> We?re all pulling for Nori.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk  mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > * On Behalf Of *Ardy
> >> Robertson
> >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping
> >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the 
> Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
> >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for 
> taking
> >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
> >>
> >> Ardy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
&g

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-11 Thread Pam Doore
You have my deepest sympathy Patricia!  I am so so sorry!

~~@~@~@~@~@

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*



On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira 
wrote:

> Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there
> after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.
>
> Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).
>
> I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.
>
> When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary
> arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.
>
> Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed
> away.
>
> As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians
> says it is fip.
>
> I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her
> home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more
> day at home, with sun bath and love.
>
> I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for
> Nori.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> Patrícia
>
> Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
>> We’re all pulling for Nori.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of *Ardy
>> Robertson
>> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping
>> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
>> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking
>> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Amani
>> Oakley
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
>> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
>> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
>> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
>> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
>> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
>> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
>> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Patricia
>> Oliveira
>> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
>> external heating too.
>>
>>
>>
>> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
>> rate several times a day.
>>
>> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
>> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
>> escreveu:
>>
>> Patricia
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
>> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
>> on the rosy gingiva.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
>> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
>> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
>> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
>> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
>> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>>
>>
>>
>> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is
&g

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-11 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there
after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).

I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary
arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed
away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians
says it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her
home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more
day at home, with sun bath and love.

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

Thank you very much.


Patrícia

Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> We’re all pulling for Nori.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of *Ardy
> Robertson
> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her
> in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking
> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Amani
> Oakley
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>
>
>
> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
> external heating too.
>
>
>
> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
> rate several times a day.
>
> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Patricia
>
>
>
> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> on the rosy gingiva.
>
>
>
> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>
>
>
> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely
> why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>
>
>
> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> platelets recovered.
>
>
>
> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>
>
>
> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is
> working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to
> recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologi

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-10 Thread Amani Oakley
We’re all pulling for Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
Ardy


From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blo

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-10 Thread Ardy Robertson
Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

 

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

 

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. 

 

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too. 

 

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.

 

 

 

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

Patricia

 

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

 

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

 

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own. 

 

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

 

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

 

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

 

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> 
>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Thank you, Sandra  :)

 

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day. 

 

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

 

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

 

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?  

 

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are 

Re: [Felvtalk] Nori's News

2019-06-10 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
Patricia...

I'm so happy that you have some _ good_ news for once... You are very special 
to care so lovingly for this unfortunate kitten and if she makes it there will 
be NO question she has you to thank...

Bob in Warwick NY
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 21:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sandra Wachtstetter 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> Message-ID: <323934897.346017.1560130392...@connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Awesome news!!!
> 
> 
> > On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I have experience with subqs.
> > 
> > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was 
> > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
> > 
> > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as 
> > if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
> > malnutrition. 
> > 
> > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 
> > 
> > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she 
> > has nothing more.
> > 
> > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > Patr?cia
> > 
> > 
> > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 23:23, Amani Oakley < 
> > aoak...@oakleylegal.com mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > 
> > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her 
> > > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. 
> > > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume 
> > > they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small 
> > > kitten, it wouldn?t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room 
> > > temperature or colder.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my 
> > > cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs 
> > > some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal 
> > > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I?m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Amani
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: Felvtalk  > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia 
> > > Oliveira
> > > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. 
> > > Receives external heating too. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature 
> > > and heart rate several times a day.
> > > 
> > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even 
> > > with fluids IV. I don?t know if it is safe to bring her now.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com >

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Awesome news!!!


> On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have experience with subqs.
> 
> Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was 
> there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
> 
> Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as 
> if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
> malnutrition. 
> 
> Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 
> 
> Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she 
> has nothing more.
> 
> Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Patrícia
> 
> 
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> 
> > > 
> > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her 
> > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. 
> > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they 
> > are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it 
> > wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or 
> > colder.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats 
> > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some 
> > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal 
> > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk  > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. 
> > Receives external heating too. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and 
> > heart rate several times a day.
> > 
> > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even 
> > with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > Patricia
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure 
> > > it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. 
> > > Very good news on the rosy gingiva.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears 
> > > to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking 
> > > to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that 
> > > the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that 
> > > presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means 
> > > anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit 
> > > with her own cells).
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so 
> > > that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately 
> > > after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and 
> > > the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I 
> > > seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover 
> > > first, before the platelets recovered.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body 
> > > temperature up.
> > > 
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 19

2019-06-09 Thread Liz Baumeister
Hi please unsubscribe me from your mailing list

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 18:26:42 -0400
> From: "Lorraine Johnston" 
> To: 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Excellent news about Nori!
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Patricia Oliveira
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 2:09 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>
> I have experience with subqs.
>
>
>
> Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was
> there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
>
>
>
> Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if
> she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even
> malnutrition.
>
>
>
> Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription.
>
>
>
> Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has
> nothing more.
>
>
>
> Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patr?cia
>
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:07:43 -0400
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> That is great news about Nori!
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:10 PM Patricia Oliveira 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I have experience with subqs.
> >
> > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was
> > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
> >
> > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as
> if
> > she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even
> > malnutrition.
> >
> > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription.
> >
> > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she
> has
> > nothing more.
> >
> > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Patr?cia
> >
> >
> > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 23:23, Amani Oakley  >
> > escreveu:
> >
> >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for
> now, it
> >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the
> IV
> >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn?t take
> much
> >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Pam Doore
That is great news about Nori!

~~@~@~@~@~@

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*



On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:10 PM Patricia Oliveira 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have experience with subqs.
>
> Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was
> there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
>
> Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if
> she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even
> malnutrition.
>
> Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription.
>
> Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has
> nothing more.
>
> Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
>
> Thank you!
>
> Patrícia
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
>> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
>> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
>> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
>> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
>> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
>> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
>> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
>> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
>> *Patricia
>> Oliveira
>> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
>> external heating too.
>>
>>
>>
>> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
>> rate several times a day.
>>
>> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
>> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
>> escreveu:
>>
>> Patricia
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
>> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
>> on the rosy gingiva.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
>> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
>> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
>> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
>> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
>> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>>
>>
>>
>> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is
>> likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
>> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
>> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
>> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
>> platelets recovered.
>>
>>
>>
>> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She
>> is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time
>> to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
>> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
>> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
>> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
>> stuff happening.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
>> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
>> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
>> stro

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Excellent news about Nori!

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 2:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi!

 

I have experience with subqs.

 

Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was there. 
She is more active and attentive to what happens.

 

Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if she 
had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
malnutrition. 

 

Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 

 

Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has 
nothing more.

 

Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi!

I have experience with subqs.

Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was
there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.

Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if
she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even
malnutrition.

Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription.

Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has
nothing more.

Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)

Thank you!

Patrícia


Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>
>
>
> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
> external heating too.
>
>
>
> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
> rate several times a day.
>
> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Patricia
>
>
>
> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> on the rosy gingiva.
>
>
>
> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>
>
>
> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely
> why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>
>
>
> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> platelets recovered.
>
>
>
> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>
>
>
> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is
> working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to
> recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
> stuff happening.
>
>
>
> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
> strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit
> and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ;
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Thank you, Sandra  :)
>
>
>
> I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
> every day.
>
>
>
> She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
> low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
> lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass 

[Felvtalk] more re feline interferon omega

2019-06-09 Thread Lorraine Johnston
I see that feline interferon omega was discussed here a number of years ago.

 

Below is recent information about feline interferon omega, shared by a 
biologist who is a member of another feline discussion group.

 

Feline interferon omega is different from human interferon alfa, which will 
eventually cause a serious reaction if injected into a cat (though I’m told it 
can be used orally to control mouth sores with no risk of a reaction).

 

- Lorraine

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

“The European Veterinary Advisory Board on Cat Diseases recommends to treat 
FELV-infected cats with recurring infections as follows : ‘Treat recurring 
infections aggressively (e.g., longer courses of and/or bacteriocidal 
antibiotics). Consider treatment with feline interferon-omega (106 IU/kg SQ q 
24 h for 5 consecutive days, 3 courses starting on days 0, 14 and 60)’ "

“They note in their Table 3 that injectable Feline Omega Interferon showed 
"efficacy in vivo," on FELV+ cats; that is it showed ‘some effects (most likely 
more on secondary infections,’ in properly designed studies by de Mari et al. 
(2004) and Gil et al. (2013). They note also in their Table 3 that subcutaneous 
or oral Human interferon alpha was ineffective in in vivo studies on FELV+ 
cats.” 

“http://www.abcdcatsvets.org/feline-leukaemia-virus-infection/”

(end quote)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Amani Oakley
One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 
for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:

Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Patricia Oliveira
She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
rate several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Patricia
>
>
>
> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> on the rosy gingiva.
>
>
>
> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>
>
>
> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely
> why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>
>
>
> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> platelets recovered.
>
>
>
> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>
>
>
> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is
> working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to
> recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
> stuff happening.
>
>
>
> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
> strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit
> and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ;
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Thank you, Sandra  :)
>
>
>
> I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
> every day.
>
>
>
> She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
> low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
> lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.
>
>
>
> Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some
> hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a
> possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was
> really low.
>
>
>
> Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think
> red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to
> know?
>
>
>
> Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low
> platelets for the first time (92.000).
>
>
>
> Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter <
> swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
>
> Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a
> copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.
>
> Good luck - don't give up!!
>
> Sandt W
>
>
>
> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
> wrote:
>
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
> think that may be why she does not eat.
>
>
>
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says
> it can be from leukemia.
>
>
>
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
>
>
>
> i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
>
>
>
> thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Amani Oakley
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 
for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:

Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may 
be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can 
be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < 
aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:

Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.



Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.



Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +



Hi, Amani



Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.



I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.



I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.



I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.



Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.



Thank you!







Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
every day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some
hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a
possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was
really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low
platelets for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter <
swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a
> copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.
>
> Good luck - don't give up!!
>
> Sandt W
>
>
> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
> wrote:
>
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
> think that may be why she does not eat.
>
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says
> it can be from leukemia.
>
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
>
> i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
>
> thank you!
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> escreveu:
>
> Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
>
>
>
> Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
>
>
>
> I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone
> would prevent hemolysis.
>
>
>
> I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared
> right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma
> on last one.
>
>
>
> I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
> will be possible.
>
>
>
> Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
> heart.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cell

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 12

2019-06-08 Thread Liz Baumeister
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:29:17 +
> From: Amani Oakley 
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> I have never heard of this ?bizarre core? reference to neutrophils. It may
> be a term you guys use in your country but I cannot even guess what the
> equivalent might be here.
>
> It certainly sounds like Nori had a bit of a transfusion reaction this
> time. Hopefully, it will pass and she?ll feel better soon.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of
> Patricia Oliveira
> Sent: June 7, 2019 9:56 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
> think that may be why she does not eat.
>
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says
> it can be from leukemia.
>
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
>
> i?ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
>
> thank you!
>
> Patr?cia
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 ?s 16:13, Amani Oakley  <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
> Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
>
> Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
> Hi, Amani
>
> Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
>
> I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone
> would prevent hemolysis.
>
> I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared
> right after the transfusion, but i don?t remember if it was icteric plasma
> on last one.
>
> I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don?t know if it
> will be possible.
>
> Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
> heart.
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 ?s 14:18, Amani Oakley  <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
> Hi Patricia
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Amani Oakley
I have never heard of this “bizarre core” reference to neutrophils. It may be a 
term you guys use in your country but I cannot even guess what the equivalent 
might be here.

It certainly sounds like Nori had a bit of a transfusion reaction this time. 
Hopefully, it will pass and she’ll feel better soon.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may 
be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can 
be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.

Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hem

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira  wrote:
> 
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They 
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they 
> think that may be why she does not eat.
> 
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says 
> it can be from leukemia.
> 
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
> 
> i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
> 
> thank you!
> 
> Patrícia
> 
> 
> 
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> 
> > > 
> > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with 
> > the meds.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk  > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi, Amani
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of 
> > prednisolone would prevent hemolysis.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be 
> > cleared right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric 
> > plasma on last one.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know 
> > if it will be possible.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an 
> > enlarged heart. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
> > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > Hi Patricia
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver 
> > > enzymes, though I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which 
> > > would be what would cause the icteric observation of the plasma). 
> > > However, hang in there. If it is the Stanozolol, my experience is that 
> > > the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, shortly after it is 
> > > discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. For now, what 
> > > you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems more 
> > > likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
> > > going on.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, 
> > > there is a higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would 
> > > be another explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will 
> > > also show as an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be 
> > > caused by a reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the 
> > > indirect or the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break 
> > > down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver 
> > > function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and 
> > > Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the 
> > > direct amount from the total amount.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to 
> > > discontinue the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic 
> > > was that there was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat 
> > > would die, period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver 
> > > enzymes no

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
think that may be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it
can be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
>
>
>
> Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
>
>
>
> I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone
> would prevent hemolysis.
>
>
>
> I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared
> right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma
> on last one.
>
>
>
> I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
> will be possible.
>
>
>
> Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
> heart.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion –
> and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that
> the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only
> boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted
> in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
>
>
>
> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete b

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Hi, Patricia,

 

I’ve asked fiv-healthscience members using RetroMad1 for FeLV cats to contact 
me if it’s okay to pass their email addresses along to you. 

 

In the meantime, this is what fiv-healthscience website manager Joel Kehler has 
written about RetroMad1:

 

http://www.fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm#RetroMAD1%20(IV)

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

Hi, Lorraine

 

Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it, anyway.

 

I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you!

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Amani Oakley
Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.

Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Lorraine

Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it,
anyway.

I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:28, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Patricia,
>
>
>
> Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal
> anemia and is treated (usually) with doxycycline.
>
>
>
>
> http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive
>
>
>
> Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having
> very good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for
> their FeLV cats.  If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let
> me know and I’ll pass them along.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
>
>
>
> i am worried again.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on
last one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
will be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion –
> and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that
> the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only
> boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted
> in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
>
>
>
> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
>
>
>
> i am worried again.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking h

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Patricia,

 

Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal anemia 
and is treated (usually) with doxycycline.

 

http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive

 

Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having very 
good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for their 
FeLV cats.  If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let me know 
and I’ll pass them along.

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. 

 

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again. 

 

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

 

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

 

i am worried again.

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be us

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
destroyed, isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
>
>
>
> :(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
> johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
>
> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://ca

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Amani Oakley
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty w

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Amani Oakley
I don’t know if erythropoietin can be used with Stanozolol, but I don’t see why 
not.

However, I am not sure that erythropoetin will help. Not to bore everyone silly 
again with this explanation, but erythropoietin stimulates the bone marrow to 
make more red cells. However, the bone marrow which is damaged by the FeLV 
virus, cannot respond to the signals being sent by the erythropoietin and is 
unable to make more red cells. The Stanozolol works on the bone marrow itself 
to produce new bone marrow cells, and thus, enable the new cells to produce red 
cells again. So no, the Stanozolol doesn’t increase erythropoietin. If it is 
going to work, it seems to work directly on the bone marrow, and especially on 
the progenitor cells in the bone marrow which produce the red cells.

Are you giving the stanozolol with the Doxycycline and prednisone?

If it were me, I would proceed with the blood transfusion, and double up the 
Stanozolol. I don’t know what level you’re giving. 1 mg twice daily or 2 mg 
twice daily. Try increasing the strength. Athletes take stanozolol at 1000X 
recommended dosing and rarely suffer any side effects.

The other thing to be aware of in interpreting your blood results is this. The 
life span of red cells is about 45 days if I remember correctly, so you will 
have a falling off of the haematocrit as the red cells from the last 
transfusion die off. Look to see what the reticulocyte count is, and what it is 
now compared to a previous blood result. However, even that result may also be 
affected by the transfusion, so I am not sure if you would see the true numbers 
or see the transfused cells instead. In other words, the dropping of the 
haematocrit may be more about the natural dying off of the last batch of red 
cells, rather than whether there is any effect yet of the meds. Nonetheless, to 
be on the safe side, if you are worried, go ahead with the transfusion.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, ad

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hema

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Patricia,

 

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi,

 

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

 

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. 

 

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

 

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia

 

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

 

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

 

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Thanky you very much for you email!

 

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. 

 

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

 

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

 

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

 

This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html 
<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
 

 

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

 

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi from Brazil,

 

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.


She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.

She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure. 

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
>
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
> or neurological. Already had a seizure.
>
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
>
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> prednisolone.
>
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.
>
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
>
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
> receiving?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nori...

2019-06-03 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Thank you, Robert!

Till yesterday night, i was more hopeful.

Nori started stanozolol on saturday and i noticed an improvement in her
appetite.

But last night she didn´t eat, despite looking for food. She went
till plate, stir in the food, but with her mouth closed all time. She
didn´t open her mouth to seize the grains of cat food.

I think her neurological issues are worsening :(

Today, i syringed food twice in the morning, gave her some subqs with B12
too.

I am really worried because i´ll be at home only at night.

Does someone have any option for neurological issues or just prednisolone ?

Thank you!


Patrícia

Em seg, 3 de jun de 2019 às 14:00, ROBERT CHAPEL 
escreveu:

> Patricia...
> I don't have any better advice than is being offered by Amani... Just
> wanted to wish you the best with this adorable kitten and cheer you on as
> one of the special people with especially big hearts Good Luck to both
> of you!!!
>
> Bob from NY
> > On June 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
> >
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Amani Oakley)
> >2. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Kristy)
> >3. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Amani Oakley)
> >
> >
> > ------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:43:35 +
> > From: Amani Oakley 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > Message-ID:
> >>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together.
> >
> > You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind
> (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> ? say ? five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
> >
> > I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of
> Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >
> > Hi, Amani!
> >
> > Thanky you very much for you email!
> >
> > Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating
> baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel.
> >
> > Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes
> some one.
> >
> > Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
> >
> > Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far
> to doxy, for example?
> >
> > This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Patr?cia
> >
> > Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley <
> aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
> > Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn?t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has

Re: [Felvtalk] Nori...

2019-06-03 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
Patricia...
I don't have any better advice than is being offered by Amani... Just wanted to 
wish you the best with this adorable kitten and cheer you on as one of the 
special people with especially big hearts Good Luck to both of you!!!

Bob from NY
> On June 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
>   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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> 
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> 
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> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Amani Oakley)
>2. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Kristy)
>3. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Amani Oakley)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:43:35 +
> From: Amani Oakley 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
> the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
> the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together.
> 
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
> chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. 
> If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the medication 
> regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food 
> is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target ? say ? five 3 cc 
> syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
> possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and 
> then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put 
> the weight back on.
> 
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
> fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
> Oliveira
> Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> 
> Hi, Amani!
> 
> Thanky you very much for you email!
> 
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
> food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel.
> 
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.
> 
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
> 
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to 
> doxy, for example?
> 
> This is Nori: 
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Patr?cia
> 
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
> Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn?t 
> actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
> with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
> properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close 
> tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on 
> just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find 
> that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> 
> Hi from Brazil,
> 
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
> 
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
> neurological. Already had a seizure.
> 
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is fe

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

2019-06-03 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Kristy - that's great about the blood work. However, don’t let it make you 
complacent. If she tested FeLV positive, and she is such a wee kitten, with all 
kinds of other problems, if it were me, I would want to get ahead of the 
problem. Also, as I've mentioned, the Stanozolol seems to be helpful for other 
conditions, and it also makes them feel better and improves their appetite and 
overall outlook on life.

Please let us know how things go. We're all praying for your little kitten and 
thank you for having such a good heart.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
Sent: June 3, 2019 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

Hi Amani!

Thanks for your help!

As far as I know his bloodwork came back normal other than the fever. 

I will talk to my vet about the meds you suggested. Unfortunately the two vets 
I have taken him haven’t really been forthcoming with treatment options. 

My husband is taking him back to the vet on Friday since we can’t seem to get 
the diarrhea/bloating under control. 

Have a great day!
Kristy

> On May 31, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristy
> 
> The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat 
> a FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I 
> don’t know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell 
> levels, but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells 
> are not being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally 
> produces new red cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell 
> lines in the blood soon follow (white cells and platelets) because the 
> progenitor cells which produce those blood cell lines are also found in the 
> infected bone marrow (which is attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte 
> count, which is a measure of new red cells being produced by the bone marrow, 
> is very low or even zero (which it was with my cat).
> 
> I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My 
> kitten was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, 
> and it was the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had 
> tried three other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of 
> the other treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results 
> upwards by even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if 
> not months in looking for an effective treatment.
> 
> If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
> addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with 
> cell wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get 
> started on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. 
> You might want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that 
> your kitten is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.
> 
> With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified 
> that there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the 
> walls of the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the 
> intestines were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. 
> I used metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) 
> to keep everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing 
> up. Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool 
> out of the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the 
> metoclopramide to see if it will help with the bloating and gas.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
> Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
> 
> Hi!
> 
> My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
> house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to 
> keep Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 
> 
> He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
> stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 
> 
> He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
> He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
> bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he 
> had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed 
> his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and 
> there were no masses or obstructions. 
> 
> Is this possibly a symptom o

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

2019-06-03 Thread Kristy
Hi Amani!

Thanks for your help!

As far as I know his bloodwork came back normal other than the fever. 

I will talk to my vet about the meds you suggested. Unfortunately the two vets 
I have taken him haven’t really been forthcoming with treatment options. 

My husband is taking him back to the vet on Friday since we can’t seem to get 
the diarrhea/bloating under control. 

Have a great day!
Kristy

> On May 31, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristy
> 
> The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat 
> a FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I 
> don’t know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell 
> levels, but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells 
> are not being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally 
> produces new red cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell 
> lines in the blood soon follow (white cells and platelets) because the 
> progenitor cells which produce those blood cell lines are also found in the 
> infected bone marrow (which is attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte 
> count, which is a measure of new red cells being produced by the bone marrow, 
> is very low or even zero (which it was with my cat).
> 
> I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My 
> kitten was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, 
> and it was the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had 
> tried three other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of 
> the other treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results 
> upwards by even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if 
> not months in looking for an effective treatment.
> 
> If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
> addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with 
> cell wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get 
> started on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. 
> You might want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that 
> your kitten is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.
> 
> With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified 
> that there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the 
> walls of the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the 
> intestines were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. 
> I used metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) 
> to keep everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing 
> up. Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool 
> out of the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the 
> metoclopramide to see if it will help with the bloating and gas.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
> Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
> 
> Hi!
> 
> My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
> house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to 
> keep Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 
> 
> He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
> stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 
> 
> He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
> He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
> bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he 
> had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed 
> his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and 
> there were no masses or obstructions. 
> 
> Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be 
> looking for?
> 
> He’s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband’s baby!  How can we help this 
> kitty?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
> Kristy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-01 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-01 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
doxy, for example?

This is Nori:
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html



Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
>
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
> or neurological. Already had a seizure.
>
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
>
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> prednisolone.
>
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.
>
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
>
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
> receiving?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

2019-05-31 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Kristy

The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat a 
FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I don’t 
know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell levels, 
but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells are not 
being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally produces new red 
cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell lines in the blood soon 
follow (white cells and platelets) because the progenitor cells which produce 
those blood cell lines are also found in the infected bone marrow (which is 
attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte count, which is a measure of new red 
cells being produced by the bone marrow, is very low or even zero (which it was 
with my cat).

I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My kitten 
was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, and it was 
the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had tried three 
other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of the other 
treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results upwards by 
even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if not months 
in looking for an effective treatment.

If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with cell 
wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get started 
on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. You might 
want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that your kitten 
is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.

With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified that 
there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the walls of 
the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the intestines 
were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. I used 
metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) to keep 
everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing up. 
Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool out of 
the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the metoclopramide to 
see if it will help with the bloating and gas.

Amani



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

Hi!

My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to keep 
Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 

He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 

He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he had 
an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed his 
bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and there 
were no masses or obstructions. 

Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be 
looking for?

He’s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband’s baby!  How can we help this 
kitty?

Thanks for any help you can provide!
Kristy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-05-30 Thread Amani Oakley
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-05-30 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Patricia

The stanozolol works very well when combined with Doxy and prednisolone – at 
least in my experience. I used 1 mg twice a day of stanozolol, but I started at 
2 mg a day with my very sick little boy, who also had a haematocrit of 5 
originally before getting a blood transfusion. He got a second blood 
transfusion when he hit a haematocrit of 10 again, and that’s when I started 
the combination of stanozolol, prednisone and Doxycycline. After he was out of 
the woods a bit, and I saw a response with the reticulocyte count (which was 
ZERO when I started the meds – ie – his bone marrow wasn’t producing ANY 
cells), then I reduced the stanozolol level to 1 mg twice a day (but I 
monitored his lab results and had to increase the stanozolol several times 
before I could safely reduce the level without seeing a drop in his 
haematocrit, retics, etc.).

I also had another cat come from a FIP positive feral colony, who was 
desperately desperately ill and didn’t think she would make it. When I got her, 
she had a very high fever, was runny and terribly congested, and had a 
percussive sound to her abdomen. I never tested her so I cannot confirm if she 
did have FIP, but I was told by the lady from whom I had gotten her, that 
several of the other cats from the FIP positive feral colony, died the same 
weekend I got her and tested FIP positive. I used the same stanozolol + 
prednisone + Doxy combination, and she pulled through very well.

I am currently using stanozolol and prednisone on a cat I first got as a 
kitten, and he was exhibiting neurological symptoms. We have had several 
problems over the years with him and I am convinced he has some sort of spinal 
tumour. He gets to where his back end is very swiveling (swinging), and he 
cannot stand or walk at all properly. He is very weak in his hindquarters. I 
have taken him in for several MRI’s and the problem is that I treat him before 
the MRI’s (because he can barely stand and clearly feels terrible). By the time 
I have had him in for the test (literally in two days sometimes) the symptoms 
will have entirely disappeared with the stanozolol and the prednisone. It 
happened again just last week. He was clearly worsening significantly, and 
could barely walk, and looked terrible. I have someone staying at the house 
because I have to be away for business right now. I came home on the weekend to 
find him in a terrible state, even though the cat sitter was giving him 10 mg 
prednisone daily (2 x 5 mg a day). I added stanozolol on the Friday. On 
Saturday, I sat for hours to try and capture the weakness on my iPhone so I 
could show the vets, but it was already so significantly improved that I really 
wasn’t able to demonstrate it on the videos I took.

I find the Stanozolol is extremely helpful with a wide variety of conditions 
with cats. One of the senior vet assistants who has been at our clinic for more 
than 30 years, recalls – as I do – that vets used to prescribe Stanozolol very 
commonly to cats for a whole variety of conditions, until the stupid Ben 
Johnson doping scandal at the Olympics in the late 1980’s. Because of the 
doping scandals, and an overly sensitive concern about liver damage (which is 
not established by the scientific literature – the condition is usually 
temporary only), then vets stopped using it or weren’t able to get it. It is a 
true tragedy for our cats.

I would be very interested to hear back from you, if you do decide to try the 
stanozolol, to let us all know what response you got, if any.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Price of FeLV viral-load test (Scanelis, France)

2019-05-03 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
Thank you!  it would help expedite the procedure.
- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 03 May 2019 17:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Price of FeLV viral-load test (Scanelis, France)

Hi, dlgegg, The FeLV viral-load test was USD $98, but friends have quoted a 
charge of USD $109, so I guess it goes up and down a little with the exchange 
rate for the Euro.  My vet paid for the overseas shipping (via USPS) and passed 
that cost along to me, as I expected. The shipping charge was $100, but it’s 
very likely that my vet added a handling charge to that, so your vet might 
charge less (or more).  Scanelis is in the south of France, in Colomiers, a 
suburb of Toulouse. I can send you via private email the form that Scanelis 
would expect to receive along with the blood. Best regards, - Lorraine. . . . . 
. . . . . . . . . . . . .  Question,  is this expensive?  If so will start 
saving just in case I ever need it.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's viral load - good news :)

2019-05-02 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
Question,  is this expensive?  If so will start saving just in case I ever need 
it.
- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 02 May 2019 11:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's viral load - good news :)

Hello, Our vet sent a sample of my cousin Tom’s FeLV cat Baby (*) to 
Scanelis in France to determine her viral load –and the news was good! She is 
found to have a very low viral load, 8.77 x 103 per 2.5 microliters of blood 
examined. This is encouraging as, first, it matches her absence of symptoms, 
and it implies that she can have a dental now while she’s still pretty healthy. 
 If Tom can keep her teeth/gums healthy, perhaps stomatitis can be avoided.
Scanelis also noted that in spite of her low viral load, immunosuppressive 
drugs should be avoided. (*Baby stays with us when Tom goes away.)  Thanks, - 
Lorraine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's other bloodwork - also good news :)

2019-05-02 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
treating with Doxy to be on safe side is good.  I have learned is best to be 
safe.
- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 02 May 2019 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's other bloodwork - also good news :)

Hello again, Here are the results of my cousin Tom’s cat Baby’s traditional 
(non-viral-load) bloodwork. Her anemia is gone!  This is VERY good new!  And 
all the rest of her bloodwork is entirely normal. By all measures, it is better 
than February’s was, done soon after she was bitten. I noticed when she arrived 
here on 4/5 that she was FAR more active than in February, so I think she’s 
feeling much better. But she tested positive via IDEXX’s RealPCR “fever of 
unknown origin” for one subtype of mycoplasma – they are ubiquitous (soil, etc) 
and some subtypes can cause anemia. Unfortunately that IDEXX test can find the 
mycoplasma DNA/RNA, but can’t tell if she’s just getting it, or did have it and 
is recovering.  The options were to treat her, else repeat bloodwork in 1 month 
to see if it’s gone. But because her FeLV status can make her more vulnerable 
to not being able to fight off infections, it seemed sensible to go ahead and 
treat her. So she’s getting doxycycline for 28 days.Baby is back home now and 
loving life. (-:  Best regards, - Lorraine 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Plans for cats when we die

2019-04-25 Thread Lorrie
On 04-21, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> I have made arrangements with a no kill shelter in St. Louis to
> take all 3 when I pass.  They will keep up with any meds and
> continue their favorite food.  A member of my church will drive
> them in with their toys, beds, condos, etc.

Are you sure the no-kill shelter will not keep them in cages the rest
of their lives?I would never want this for the  8 rescued cats I
have left. I also hope you, or a friend,  has visited this shelter.
Photos can be deceiving.


> at 78, it is likely I will go first.  have this locked into my will. 

78 seems young to me. I am 86.  

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-21 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
Have that on my plate, but so far no GI problems, in fact she has not up 
chucked once since we started it.  also watching boxes, no loose stools either. 
 She has in fact been less irritable with Harley and has settled into her old 
routine.  also not eating as much.  I plan to weigh her Monday to be sure she 
has not lost weight.  she has a follow up vet appt in 4 weeks.Thank everyone 
for your help, I am not looking to loosing anyone soon.  In fact I have made 
arrangements with a no kill shelter in St. Louis to take all 3 when I pass.  
They will keep up with any meds and continue their favorite food.  A member of 
my church will drive them in with their toys, beds, condos, etc.  at 78, is 
likely I will go first.  have this locked into my will.
- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 14:51:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

You might also want to consider the methimazole gel that can be rubbed onto 
the inside of the tip of the ear. We’ve had great luck with that. It bypasses 
all the GI upset that oral methimazole can cause. - Lorraine On April 18, 2019 
at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  wrote:Hello 
everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard
on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  
don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has 
been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of 
gasping for air in the night
and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is 
on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose 
her so am hoping meds work.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-21 Thread Lorraine Johnston
You might also want to consider the methimazole gel that can be rubbed onto the 
inside of the tip of the ear. We’ve had great luck with that. It bypasses all 
the GI upset that oral methimazole can cause.

 

- Lorraine

 

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote:

Hello everyoone,


I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard
on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  
don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has 
been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of 
gasping for air in the night
and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is 
on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose 
her so am hoping meds work.  

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-21 Thread Amani Oakley
I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you and Homey. It is wonderful you have 
found some open-minded vets. Please let us all know if you get good results. 
Certainly, the information I found online strongly suggests CBD Oil is quite 
effective in cases of hyperthyroidism in humans, but I think the trick always 
is in getting the correct strain. Sadly, given the decades of labelling 
everything from the cannabis and hemp plants as criminal, science and medicine 
has lagged far behind in understanding the potential of these plants. My 
understanding is that there are certain strains which have shown excellent 
results with hyperthyroidism, and I myself am still exploring how to obtain the 
strains you need for the conditions you seek to treat. I’m in Canada, and 
although everything is now legal here, it is a mess in terms of understanding 
this stuff. In Ontario, they closed down almost all of the dispensaries and 
small shops which had the expertise in this stuff, and I think that was just a 
bozo move to make. As I understand it, in states like Colorado where they left 
these dispensaries after legalizing medical marijuana, the folks who actually 
understood stuff about the different strains, could be found in those shops to 
guide you.

Hopefully, your vets have resources available to them to ensure that the right 
strains are obtained.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: April 21, 2019 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Computer acting up, not sure if my message got thru.
Homey is not felv, Shalie was.  Harley and Dee are not felv and I got them at 
Walmart, lady was giving away.  I chewed her out and she said visitors 
accidently let her out and she became pregnant.  nicely explained that if she 
was not breeding to sell kittens, is best for her cat and herself to get her 
spayed.  I believe in spay/neuter so we don't end up with more kittens to be 
killed on streets, being used to "blood" fighting dogs or killed in shelters.  
Homey was feral.  I am against the Iodine because of the long seperation period 
would be hard on her and the rest of us.  She has always slept on my bed .  
PLUS MY EXPERIENCE with Shali.  Can't do this to another of my fur babies.  I 
have contacted 2 vets who have used medical cannibus with good results and am 
contacting my vets who have been open minded about alternative medicine.  
Hopefully they will be willing to supervise her treatment for me.  downloading 
info from new vets for them.

- Original Message -
From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats



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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-21 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
Computer acting up, not sure if my message got thru.Homey is not felv, Shalie 
was.  Harley and Dee are not felv and I got them at Walmart, lady was giving 
away.  I chewed her out and she said visitors accidently let her out and she 
became pregnant.  nicely explained that if she was not breeding to sell 
kittens, is best for her cat and herself to get her spayed.  I believe in 
spay/neuter so we don't end up with more kittens to be killed on streets, being 
used to "blood" fighting dogs or killed in shelters.  Homey was feral.  I am 
against the Iodine because of the long seperation period would be hard on her 
and the rest of us.  She has always slept on my bed .  PLUS MY EXPERIENCE with 
Shali.  Can't do this to another of my fur babies.  I have contacted 2 vets who 
have used medical cannibus with good results and am contacting my vets who have 
been open minded about alternative medicine.  Hopefully they will be willing to 
supervise her treatment for me.  downloading info from new vets for them.


- Original Message -
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Got in now. Yes, it’s true that most of our conversations relate to FeLV 
cats, but Dlgegg has a lot of cats (like many of us on this chatline) and we 
also sometimes just see
 if others in the group may have experience with other conditions. Good 
information you have provided regarding hyperthyroidism. Thank you, Amani From: 
Felvtalk 
On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 7:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats As this group is FeLVtalk, I 
assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive unless the writer says 
otherwise. 
 Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve 
seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) 
for 2
 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually kills the 
overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake back up. 
This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is one reason 
they recommend waiting
 to test the thyroid until 60 days after treatment. Sometimes, though, the 
cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much tissue was destroyed, and 
the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. In two
 of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary.  This is meaningful 
to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is working too slowly, 
the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in humans
 and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well.  So, for my own FIV 
cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use I-131 
therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing well on 
methimazole.  Hope this helps, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no 
one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine."  - Alan 
Turing
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM
To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats And in your post, you indicated 
“In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before
 putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen a reference to the FeLV status 
of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was referencing. You seemed to be 
suggesting that you had had good experience with the radioactive iodine 
treatment but would reticent to contemplate
 the use of that treatment on a FeLV cat. Amani From: Felvtalk 

On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Amani, I’m not sure who you’re 
addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t
 remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster 
(dlg...@windstream.net
– see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior 
cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine). - Lorraine  Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Did I miss something in the original post 
about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my 
suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of 
any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along
 with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the 
other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start 
the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing 
which was responsible.
 Amani 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello,We have taken numerous cats 
to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. 
In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I wou

Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Amani Oakley
Got in now. Yes, it’s true that most of our conversations relate to FeLV cats, 
but Dlgegg has a lot of cats (like many of us on this chatline) and we also 
sometimes just see if others in the group may have experience with other 
conditions.

Good information you have provided regarding hyperthyroidism. Thank you,

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 7:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive 
unless the writer says otherwise.

Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve 
seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) 
for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually 
kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake 
back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is 
one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after 
treatment.

Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much 
tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. 
In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary.

This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is 
working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in 
humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well.  So, for my 
own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use 
I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing 
well on methimazole.


Hope this helps,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with 
I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen 
a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was 
referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with 
the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of 
that treatment on a FeLV cat.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see 
bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats 
did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

- Lorraine


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.

Amani


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it.
But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.
Best regards,
Lorraine
On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had o

Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Lorraine Johnston
As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive 
unless the writer says otherwise.  

 

Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve 
seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) 
for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually 
kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake 
back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is 
one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after 
treatment.

 

Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much 
tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. 
In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary. 

 

This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is 
working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in 
humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well.  So, for my 
own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use 
I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing 
well on methimazole.

 

 

Hope this helps,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with 
I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen 
a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was 
referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with 
the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of 
that treatment on a FeLV cat.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net  <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – 
see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior 
cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

 

- Lorraine

 

 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

 

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. 

 

Amani

 


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Hello,

We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it. 

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.

It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

Best regards,

Lorraine

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote: 

Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Amani Oakley
And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with 
I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen 
a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was 
referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with 
the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of 
that treatment on a FeLV cat.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see 
bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats 
did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

- Lorraine


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.

Amani


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it.
But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.
Best regards,
Lorraine
On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net  <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – 
see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior 
cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

 

- Lorraine

 

 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

 

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. 

 

Amani

 


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Hello,

We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it. 

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.

It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

Best regards,

Lorraine

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote: 

Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Amani Oakley
Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it.
But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

Best regards,
Lorraine

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Hello,

We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it. 

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.

It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

 

Best regards,

Lorraine

 

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote: 

Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-20 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi dlgegg

I confess to not having had to deal with this yet in my cats. However, I did 
some research for you and see a few things that might be of interest to you.

First, the radioactive treatment should not have resulted in any nasal 
bleeding. I couldn’t find that commonly described as a side-effect of the 
treatment. Perhaps things have improved with the treatment since you last used 
it on your other cat, ten years ago, and you could maybe ask the vet about 
that. It is correct that there is a period where the cat has to remain at the 
vets, until the radioactive levels subside but that seems to be described as a 
week or so. This treatment is considered permanent, and would then not require 
ongoing medication.

However, one thing you might want to explore is getting CBD Oil and trying 
that. Certain strains are found to be very good for hyperthyroidism, and there 
are no side-effects. I am not sure which state you are in, and whether CBD Oil 
is legal in the state you are in. It should be as it contains no THC levels at 
all, but governments have been stupid and schizophrenic about such things. Look 
up “Medical Marijuana and Hyperthyroidism” and see what comes up. The articles 
you will see relate to use of CBD for hyperthyroidism in people, but you can 
get CBD Oil for animals as well.

Amani



From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: April 18, 2019 3:13 PM
To: leukemia, feline 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.
my question is:  does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating 
this?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-19 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Lorrie, my heart goes out to you - please know you are in my thoughts nd 
prayers.
Sandy W
> On April 19, 2019 at 1:48 PM Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04-18, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone,I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed
> > with hyper thyroid yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is on
> > meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about
> > 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  the isolation was
> > very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home,
> > bleeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey
> > is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my
> > heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air
> > in the night and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to
> > my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very
> > attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds
> > work.  my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better
> > ways of treating this?
> 
> I really feel for you as one of my rescued cats has Hyperthyroid. 
> All my cats are rescues, and when I rescue a full grown cat I have 
> no idea of it's age. This little girl is at least 14 and most likely
> much older according to vet. I've had her ten years, and she is down
> to 5 pounds at her last vet visit a month ago. She is taking 2.5mg of
> Felimazole morning and evening just like your cat. but she has not
> gained an ounce in spite of eating well. Now she is refusing food and
> vomiting (just cloudy liquid) and I'm sure she is going to die soon. 
> I know she is too old for radioactive iodine and my vet said there
> was no other treatment.
> 
> My thoughts go out to you. I am 86 and not in good health. I lost
> my husband of 43 years just 3 months ago, as well as losing two other
> old cats. It is was heart breaking to lose all of them.
>   
> I send you a hug,
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-19 Thread Lorrie
On 04-18, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> Hello everyone,I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed
> with hyper thyroid yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is on
> meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about
> 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  the isolation was
> very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home,
> bleeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey
> is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my
> heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air
> in the night and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to
> my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very
> attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds
> work.  my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better
> ways of treating this?

I really feel for you as one of my rescued cats has Hyperthyroid. 
All my cats are rescues, and when I rescue a full grown cat I have 
no idea of it's age. This little girl is at least 14 and most likely
much older according to vet. I've had her ten years, and she is down
to 5 pounds at her last vet visit a month ago. She is taking 2.5mg of
Felimazole morning and evening just like your cat. but she has not
gained an ounce in spite of eating well. Now she is refusing food and
vomiting (just cloudy liquid) and I'm sure she is going to die soon. 
I know she is too old for radioactive iodine and my vet said there
was no other treatment.

My thoughts go out to you. I am 86 and not in good health. I lost
my husband of 43 years just 3 months ago, as well as losing two other
old cats. It is was heart breaking to lose all of them.
  
I send you a hug,

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-18 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/outreach/Pet-Health-Topics/categories/diseases/hyperthyroidism-in-cats-
 113k- Cached 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en=cache:lzWQuzLKAUkJ:http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/outreach/Pet-Health-Topics/categories/diseases/hyperthyroidism-in-cats
 - Similar pages

The average age of cats with hyperthyroidism is 13 years of age; only about 5 % 
ofhyperthyroid cats are younger than 10 years of age. There are 2 thyroid ...



This is just one of may reliable sites to go for info - but looks like they all 
pretty much say the same thing. I'd stick with the meds. 

You have one special kitty cat.

Sandy W

> On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyoone,
> I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
> yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole 
> morning and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did 
> radioactive iodine.  the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill 
> after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat 
> that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my 
> heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the 
> night and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and 
> when she is on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not 
> want to loose her so am hoping meds work.  
> my question is:  does anyone know of alternative or better ways of 
> treating this?
> 


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

2019-04-18 Thread Gloria
Thursday, April 18, 2019
Arizona, USA
Hi,
This seems to be an epidemic-my second cat (Phoebe -13 yrs old) is just 
beginning to get high levels-with no other signs - like vomiting.

Our new vet (just moved to AZ) was going to start her with a higher dose (.5)  
than my first one, KiKi- (.25)

KiKi had extreme over-the-top levels -he was 14 when diagnosed and the previous 
vet prescribed the .25 dose 2x’s a day of Methimazoli

 I’m  using a COMPOUND PHARMACY-in a liquid - using a syringe by mouth. Easy 
peezy !

I was concerned about the larger dose with a cat that was otherwise symptomless 
so I called the Vet & left a message- and explained my thoughts and asked if he 
wouldn’t reconsider a lower dose. 

He called back almost immediately and said he was glad I called-he had just 
been talking to some internists about Phoebe and they said they have NEW 
PROTOCOLS for dosing—
they are now waiting for numbers to be more out of line before medicating. 
So no meds for Phoebe yet!, will recheck blood work in 3-4 months.

I wrote all of that just to say-ask you vet more questions-if you aren’t using 
a compound pharmacy -try to find one-most will ship meds.

I will _not_ use the other method simply because of the stress the older cat 
must endure - I think stress is more harmful than the “cure” is helpful. So, 
you must endure my my 2 cents❤️
Gloria-furmommy to 15 cats, most feralborn



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> On Apr 18, 2019, at 12:12 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyoone,
> I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
> yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole 
> morning and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did 
> radioactive iodine.  the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill 
> after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat 
> that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my 
> heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the 
> night and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and 
> when she is on my lap, holds on to me   I am very attached to her and do not 
> want to loose her so am hoping meds work.  
> my question is:  does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating 
> this?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

2019-03-25 Thread Pam Doore

A friend had a negative with a reoccurring fever that at one point to 106.7 .  
The kitty finally responded to Clindamyacin.  Up until the Clindamyacin worked 
the vet thought they were dealing with dry FIP.  

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Pam Doore  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 3:04 PM Jennifer Stertzer  > wrote:
> Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household. 
>  Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
> that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
> cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
> and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
> to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
> interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him 
> to the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection 
> of Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
> lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood 
> work, which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on 
> Onsior.  I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March 
> and just started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - 
> lethargic, skittish, and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today 
> and the only thing they can think to do is another injection of Convenia and 
> round of Onsior.  The vet said that most likely this all relates to FELV and 
> ultimately there’s not much to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe 
> that.  Has any one else had a FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be 
> used in conjunction with Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose 
> another one of our loves to this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, 
> Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

2019-03-25 Thread caroline mercun
I am so sorry Jennifer we just lost our cat; though he was an outside cat we 
took care of for 2 years and fed him; housed him - I brought him recent to Dr 
for odor about 4 weeks ago - told Felv + but he came home and did ok for about 
1 week - within 24 hours he was sick and we had to put him to sleep per Vet - 
and I could see it tooI am so sorry my heart thinks of youcaroline 

On Monday, March 25, 2019 3:04 PM, Jennifer Stertzer 
 wrote:
 

 Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household.  
Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him to 
the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection of 
Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood work, 
which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on Onsior. 
 I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March and just 
started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - lethargic, skittish, 
and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today and the only thing they 
can think to do is another injection of Convenia and round of Onsior.  The vet 
said that most likely this all relates to FELV and ultimately there’s not much 
to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe that.  Has any one else had a 
FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be used in conjunction with 
Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose another one of our loves to 
this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

2019-03-25 Thread Amani Oakley
I also frankly think you may be dealing with FeLV plus FIV. That would explain 
the fast effect on the rest of the cats in the house (which I have not seen or 
heard of from others with FIV+ cats) and also that the blood work is "fine" 
despite effects on appetite and the presence of fever. If it was the FeLV, one 
would expect a reduction in red cells, and other cell lines.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Stertzer
Sent: March-25-19 3:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household.  
Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him to 
the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection of 
Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood work, 
which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on Onsior. 
 I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March and just 
started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - lethargic, skittish, 
and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today and the only thing they 
can think to do is another injection of Convenia and round of Onsior.  The vet 
said that most likely this all relates to FELV and ultimately there’s not much 
to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe that.  Has any one else had a 
FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be used in conjunction with 
Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose another one of our loves to 
this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

2019-03-25 Thread Amani Oakley
Jennifer, if you've been reading the archives then you will know that I have 
suggested the use of Doxycycline + Winstrol (Stanazolol) + Prednisone. I don’t 
see that this has been tried by your vet, but it is the only thing I have found 
to work, and it works with other conditions as well.

I would certainly be looking at adding Doxycycline, in any event, since the 
likelihood is that you are dealing with something other than a run-of-the-mill 
bacterial infection, and Doxycycline has effectiveness against a very broad 
spectrum of organisms other than bacteria.

Amani

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Jennifer Stertzer
Sent: March-25-19 3:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household.  
Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him to 
the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection of 
Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood work, 
which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on Onsior. 
 I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March and just 
started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - lethargic, skittish, 
and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today and the only thing they 
can think to do is another injection of Convenia and round of Onsior.  The vet 
said that most likely this all relates to FELV and ultimately there’s not much 
to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe that.  Has any one else had a 
FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be used in conjunction with 
Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose another one of our loves to 
this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY TO PASS FEDERAL ANIMAL CRUELTY BILL

2019-03-06 Thread Amani Oakley
Just signed! I agree. Very very important issue.

Thanks

Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help please - felv positive kitten

2019-03-01 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Wendy

Sounds like you have everything well under control. I think that the fact that 
he was put on four weeks of Doxy for the Bartonella will also help for FeLV, 
though my sense is that I would have kept him on it for another two weeks.

Just keep an eye for any signs of anemia. Keep checking his gums, the inside of 
his ears and his pads. You say his blood work is perfect. Are his reticulocytes 
okay? These are immature red blood cells and they will be depressed with FeLV. 
As long as his haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocyte counts are good, you 
are fine.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Mrs MCSE
Sent: March 1, 2019 1:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help please - felv positive kitten

Hello,

We rescued a stray kitten, and he is felv positive.  He is approximately 9 
months old.  He is quarantined.  His blood work is perfect.  He is not 
exhibiting any other felv symptoms.  We treated him for giardia, and tests show 
he is cured of that.  We treated him with doxycycline for 4 weeks for 
bartonella, and he is due to get retested for bartonella at the end of this 
month.  We are giving him rx zyme, rx biotic, and rx essentials in the morning, 
and 1/2 moducare vet in the evening.  We also are giving him organic grain free 
food.

Can anyone recommend a vet who specializes in felv treatment in Ventura County, 
CA, in Southern California, or elsewhere in California?  I called UC Davis, as 
we’d be willing to take our cat to Northern California, but no one has returned 
the calls.  Our local vet admittedly does not treat felv, and we want the best 
for our little cat.  From reading in this group, it seems that our vet is not 
on top of all of the tests and what those results mean.

Also, can anyone recommend any other treatments that we should add or change at 
this point?

Thank you,

Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV

2019-03-01 Thread Pam Doore
That has always been my email signature.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019, 4:11 PM Lorrie  wrote:

> >
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> > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **St. Patrick*
>
> This is a group for feline leukemia, not a religious group.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV

2019-03-01 Thread Lorrie
> 
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
> 
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **St. Patrick*
  
This is a group for feline leukemia, not a religious group.

>  Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-03-01 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Thank you, good points.  In my state, the compounding pharmacies were (last 
time I checked-2014) allowed to use drugs the customer brings in, but it does 
require an rx saying what strength to produce, etc. I guess my vet could have 
rx’ed it directly to the pharmacy. 

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

Yes that is worth a try if your pharmacist will do that.  NYS requires a script 
for compounding and they don't compound anything we bring into them i.e. cat is 
given pills, cat won't take pills, they can't compound those pills into 
something they will take, they need a script from vet and then will get all 
ingredients and compound to a liquid, trans-dermal, etc.


~~@~@~@~@~@


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick

 

 

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:22 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON  
wrote:

Back in 2014 I purchased just 5 or so capsules of a human anti-cancer drug for 
Chewy Joey, who had an aggressive lymphoma/leukemia. The compounding pharmacy 
nearby was able to titrate those down into many capsules containing a cat-size 
dose. So that's something I might try. 

 

-Lorraine

On March 1, 2019 at 11:13 AM Pam Doore  wrote: 

You are welcome :-D




 

~~@~@~@~@~@


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. —  St. Patrick 

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON < johnston1...@comcast.net> 
wrote: 

Thank you, Pam and Ardy.

 

-Lorraine

On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson < ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 

Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond Back 
Drugs in Arizona.

 

Ardy Robertson 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to get a 
cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me to be 
better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also Vets First 
Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be associated 
with your vet''s practice.  

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston  
wrote:

Hello,

 

Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the 
antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

Thank you,

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-03-01 Thread Pam Doore
Yes that is worth a try if your pharmacist will do that.  NYS requires a
script for compounding and they don't compound anything we bring into them
i.e. cat is given pills, cat won't take pills, they can't compound those
pills into something they will take, they need a script from vet and then
will get all ingredients and compound to a liquid, trans-dermal, etc.

~~@~@~@~@~@

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*



On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:22 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON 
wrote:

> Back in 2014 I purchased just 5 or so capsules of a human anti-cancer drug
> for Chewy Joey, who had an aggressive lymphoma/leukemia. The compounding
> pharmacy nearby was able to titrate those down into many capsules
> containing a cat-size dose. So that's something I might try.
>
>
> -Lorraine
>
> On March 1, 2019 at 11:13 AM Pam Doore  wrote:
>
> You are welcome :-D
>
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — * *St. Patrick*
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON <
> johnston1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Pam and Ardy.
>
>
> -Lorraine
>
> On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson < ar...@centurytel.net>
> wrote:
>
> Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond Back
> Drugs in Arizona.
>
>
>
> Ardy Robertson
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Pam
> Doore
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic
> Truvada?
>
>
>
> I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to
> get a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me
> to be better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also
> Vets First Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be
> associated with your vet''s practice.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the
> antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-03-01 Thread LORRAINE JOHNSTON
Back in 2014 I purchased just 5 or so capsules of a human anti-cancer drug for 
Chewy Joey, who had an aggressive lymphoma/leukemia. The compounding pharmacy 
nearby was able to titrate those down into many capsules containing a cat-size 
dose. So that's something I might try.


-Lorraine

> On March 1, 2019 at 11:13 AM Pam Doore  wrote:
> 
> You are welcome :-D
> 
> 
>  
> 
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
> 
> Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, 
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. —  St. Patrick
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON < 
> johnston1...@comcast.net mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Thank you, Pam and Ardy.
> > 
> > 
> > -Lorraine
> > 
> > > > > On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson < 
> > ar...@centurytel.net mailto:ar...@centurytel.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is 
> > > Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Ardy Robertson
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: Felvtalk  > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Pam Doore
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir 
> > > and generic Truvada?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in 
> > > your area to get a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy 
> > > because they tend me to be better able to get meds because of their 
> > > ability to make them. Also Vets First Choice is an online pharmacy that 
> > > compounds. They may need to be associated with your vet''s practice.  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston 
> > > mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian 
> > > > prices for the antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > - Lorraine
> > > > 
> > > >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-03-01 Thread Pam Doore
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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON 
wrote:

> Thank you, Pam and Ardy.
>
>
> -Lorraine
>
> On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson 
> wrote:
>
> Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond Back
> Drugs in Arizona.
>
>
>
> Ardy Robertson
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Pam
> Doore
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic
> Truvada?
>
>
>
> I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to
> get a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me
> to be better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also
> Vets First Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be
> associated with your vet''s practice.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the
> antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-03-01 Thread LORRAINE JOHNSTON
Thank you, Pam and Ardy.


-Lorraine

> On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond 
> Back Drugs in Arizona.
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam 
> Doore
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic 
> Truvada?
> 
>  
> 
> I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to 
> get a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me 
> to be better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also 
> Vets First Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be 
> associated with your vet''s practice.  
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston  mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the 
> > antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > - Lorraine
> > 
> >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-02-28 Thread Ardy Robertson
Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond Back 
Drugs in Arizona.

 

Ardy Robertson

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to get a 
cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me to be 
better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also Vets First 
Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be associated 
with your vet''s practice.  

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Hello,

 

Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the 
antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada? 

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

2019-02-28 Thread Pam Doore
I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to get
a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me to
be better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also Vets
First Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be
associated with your vet''s practice.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the
> antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

2019-02-25 Thread gidget43
Thank you for replying.  I will continue to keep a very close watch on her.
Nancy


-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2019 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

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Hi Nancy    She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long 
as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, 
and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia.    I don’t think 
she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long 
course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no 
idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I 
believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If 
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a 
shot and it works, let the rest of us know.    Amani    From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION    Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV 
for 3 years.  We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The 
two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was 
false.  The kitten was actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she 
also had it.  Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my 
other girl is still going strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you 
would just never know she has it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a 
carrier?  The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect.  He 
thought she may be a carrier.  Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is 
doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the 
immune system strong?  Thank you.      Nancy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

2019-02-24 Thread Pam Doore
Great :-D!

Have a blessed day!

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On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 8:41 AM Lorraine Johnston 
wrote:

> Thank you. I’ve shared your info with my cousin.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Amani Oakley
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:18 PM
> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro
>
>
>
> Boy I t blab a lot, don’t I?
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Sandra
> Wachtstetter
> *Sent:* February 21, 2019 9:54 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro
>
>
>
> Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani
> - so you can see a bit more
>
> *From:* Amani Oakley
> *Sent:* June-10-18 3:22 PM
> *To:* 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> *Subject:* RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
>
> What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break.
> I too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to
> have a sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted
> out close to 400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats.
> Thankfully, most of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat
> to me if things aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out
> of my hands, you’re at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right
> thing to do.
>
> Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time.
> I will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have
> stumbled on a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol)
> which treated my Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. *I used
> to be a medical lab technologist, so lab results are key to me.* When
> trying Zander on the various medications that were suggested as assisting
> with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork done and would study the results to see
> which direction his bloodwork was going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon,
> LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I kept him alive with several blood
> transfusions. When that was no longer an option because he had had a
> reaction during his last blood transfusion and the next one would kill him,
> I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had nothing else at all to
> try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol (Stanazalol) which
> I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him alive a bit
> longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after just a few
> days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his
> profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood
> work (a few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had
> seen with him since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by
> the artificial increase in red cells from his transfusions.
>
> I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more
> than a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal
> reference range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the
> dosage of winstrol, his blood results would show an immediate drop in red
> cells and hematocrit, so even though his liver enzymes went way up (the
> reason Winstrol had fallen out of favour with the vets), I really had no
> choice but to continue since the vets had nothing else to offer me and the
> alternative was he was going to die from the FeLV infection. He recovered
> fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, and his liver enzymes went
> right back to normal once I discontinued the Winstrol – something like 10
> months later.
>
> No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed
> wary or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV
> (except mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow
> and steady rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets,
> until his entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time,
> I was understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I
> believe that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone
> marrow cells (something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and
> thus, new cells which could produce the red cells. *However, I now also
>

Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

2019-02-23 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Nancy

She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long as her blood 
work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, and pads to 
watch for any paleness which might signify anemia.

I don’t think she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her 
on a long course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I 
have no idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, 
I believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If 
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a 
shot and it works, let the rest of us know.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years.  We took in a 
kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The two were together after 
that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false.  The kitten was 
actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she also had it.  Kitten has 
since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going 
strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has 
it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a carrier?  The vet was very pleased 
with the blood work as it was perfect.  He thought she may be a carrier.  
Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is doing so well, should I be 
giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the immune system strong?  
Thank you.

Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Thank you, Christine.  So far Baby has been only in the studio, completely 
isolated, when she visits us. It never occurred to me to do otherwise, not only 
because of felv but to avoid other contagious illnesses as well.

 

It typically takes us months to merge new cats into our setting. We go very 
slowly to avoid stress-related illnesses and spraying. So merging Baby in with 
ours for just a stay of a week or two would not be worth the tumult in the 
whole household.

 

It’s a luxury to be able to keep her separate and I’m grateful that I can. If I 
used the studio (which I don’t do when she’s here) I’d have to move her to 
another room because the equipment in the studio is dangerous for cats.

 

And I agree with your approach to the kitten. Sometimes circumstances are such 
that they are better off together. If I had two who were very attached to each 
other, and one turned up positive, I would not separate them.

 

I have a similar dilemma with our FIV kitty Cyril. He has a buddy, Micky, who 
is totally in love with Cyril. But Cyril had several birth defects (*) in 
addition to FIV, and has only one eye left. Micky plays very roughly, and I’m 
afraid Cyril will lose that eye to an injury. So I only allow them together 
when I can supervise them, and not because of the FIV. I make sure Micky gets 
plenty of other exercise first. I expect Micky will outgrow the roughness; he’s 
only 3.5 years old.

 

* A constellation of 7 birth defects can occur together in cats, including eye 
defects, multiple cardio problems, undescended testes, kinked tail, and some 
limb abnormalities.  Cyril got the eyes and the testes. But golly, he sure is 
cute!

 

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Christine Dundas
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

My advice would be to keep FeLv and non-FeLv cats separated.  If you choose not 
to, you have to understand there is a chance the non-FeLv cats could get 
infected.  

 

Having said that, when my husband brought home a kitten that tested positive 
for FeLV, I had to make that choice.  We live in a small condo with two other 
cats.  We decided to keep her as long as she could be with us.  I had my two 
other cats vaccinated for FeLV.  They were adult cats, healthy in every way.   
There was no way I could keep everything and everyone separated.  Our little 
Ruthie passed away after almost two years.  My two adult cats tested negative 
afterwards, a few times.  And are still healthy and happy.  That was about four 
years ago.  

 

Christine

 

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:46 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:

I had my Zander for seven years, mixed with a dozen other cats. I never took 
any precautions at all. It was too late by the time we figured out he had FeLV. 
No other cat ever got the infection.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Lorraine Johnston
Sent: February-22-19 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I was 
concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand correctly, 
your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not have been any 
non-FeLV cats to spread it to? 

 

I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April when he 
goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to do, and what 
additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here to avoid spread, 
now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net

I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.

 

- Original Message -

Hello again,

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

Thank you,

- Lorraine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread Christine Dundas
My advice would be to keep FeLv and non-FeLv cats separated.  If you choose
not to, you have to understand there is a chance the non-FeLv cats could
get infected.

Having said that, when my husband brought home a kitten that tested
positive for FeLV, I had to make that choice.  We live in a small condo
with two other cats.  We decided to keep her as long as she could be with
us.  I had my two other cats vaccinated for FeLV.  They were adult cats,
healthy in every way.   There was no way I could keep everything and
everyone separated.  Our little Ruthie passed away after almost two years.
My two adult cats tested negative afterwards, a few times.  And are still
healthy and happy.  That was about four years ago.

Christine

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:46 PM Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> I had my Zander for seven years, mixed with a dozen other cats. I never
> took any precautions at all. It was too late by the time we figured out he
> had FeLV. No other cat ever got the infection.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lorraine Johnston
> *Sent:* February-22-19 2:04 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?
>
>
>
> Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I
> was concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand
> correctly, your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not
> have been any non-FeLV cats to spread it to?
>
>
>
> I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April
> when he goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to
> do, and what additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here
> to avoid spread, now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *dlg...@windstream.net
>
> I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.
> I treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading
> to others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house
> became part of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for
> a checkup, spay or neuter and they became mine.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> Hello again,
>
> For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your
> cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do
> you have your negative cats retested every year?
>
> Thank you,
>
> - Lorraine
>
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> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Hello, Maribel,

 

Thank you for this very specific information. It’s quite helpful, and just what 
I needed to know.

 

Baby, when she stays here, is in my studio, which has a heavy sliding-glass 
door between Felix and Cuddles who are both vaccinated against FeLV. The other 
four cats are much farther away, with no doors in common with Baby. Of those 
four, three are also vaccinated against FeLV, except for Cyril, who is 
FIV-positive.  

 

We might vaccinate Cyril with the Merck killed vaccine this March if his blood 
antibody titers indicate that’s he doesn’t need any of the core vaccinations 
boosted, and if his other health parameters indicate that he could mount an 
immune response to the vaccine. 

 

I won’t vaccinate Cyril with the more common recombinant canarypox 
live/attenuated FeLV vaccines because he had a horrible reaction to the 
live/attenuated Chlamydia component in the FVRCPC vaccine. Never again! Going 
forward we will check antibody titers first, and skip specific vaccinations if 
their  titers are adequate.

 

We have three cat-fenced pens (PurrFect Fence). Baby has controlled access to 
one, but so far is only lukewarm re going outside. If I let her out, I plan to 
leave an hour or so afterward before letting Cyril into the same pen -- or 
better yet, while she’s staying here, he can use one of the other two. Baby is 
only here with us 1x or 2x per year.

 

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 2:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

Keep the Leuk+ guys in a separate room with their own litter box and their own 
scooper.  Do not mix food or water and put any towels, beds, toys they use 
through the washing machine before using it for other cats.   Washing hands all 
the time is not something that I normally do EXCEPT be careful about not 
getting any of their fluids on you (blood, urine, saliva, poop, eye/nose 
discharge) and then potentially getting that on your non-Leuk guys.

 

Also - if you're keeping your Leuk guys in a separate room, make sure to block 
the bottom of the door so the cats can't put their paws through or smell one 
another and possibly sneeze on each other.   You can get a piece of wood the 
length of the door and about 2 ft high and prop it up there with something 
heavy like one of those big litter pales or better yet - install some screws or 
other hardware on the wood around the door so you can just slide the wood in or 
out as you need to.  Whatever you use make sure the cats can't move it because 
cats are very curious and they will try to move it or get through in order to 
see what's going on on the other side.

 

If you regularly are going to have Leuk guys in your home either by pet sitting 
or rescuing them, I would get your non-Leuk guys vaccinated just as extra 
protection.   

 

Maribel

 

- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:10:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

Hello again,

 

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread Amani Oakley
I had my Zander for seven years, mixed with a dozen other cats. I never took 
any precautions at all. It was too late by the time we figured out he had FeLV. 
No other cat ever got the infection.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Lorraine Johnston
Sent: February-22-19 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I was 
concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand correctly, 
your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not have been any 
non-FeLV cats to spread it to?

I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April when he 
goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to do, and what 
additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here to avoid spread, 
now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.

Thank you,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.

- Original Message -
Hello again,
For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?
Thank you,
- Lorraine
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one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread Maribel Piloto
Keep the Leuk+ guys in a separate room with their own litter box and their own 
scooper.  Do not mix food or water and put any towels, beds, toys they use 
through the washing machine before using it for other cats.   Washing hands all 
the time is not something that I normally do EXCEPT be careful about not 
getting any of their fluids on you (blood, urine, saliva, poop, eye/nose 
discharge) and then potentially getting that on your non-Leuk guys.
Also - if you're keeping your Leuk guys in a separate room, make sure to block 
the bottom of the door so the cats can't put their paws through or smell one 
another and possibly sneeze on each other.   You can get a piece of wood the 
length of the door and about 2 ft high and prop it up there with something 
heavy like one of those big litter pales or better yet - install some screws or 
other hardware on the wood around the door so you can just slide the wood in or 
out as you need to.  Whatever you use make sure the cats can't move it because 
cats are very curious and they will try to move it or get through in order to 
see what's going on on the other side.
If you regularly are going to have Leuk guys in your home either by pet sitting 
or rescuing them, I would get your non-Leuk guys vaccinated just as extra 
protection.   
Maribel
- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:10:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?


Hello again,

 

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I was 
concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand correctly, 
your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not have been any 
non-FeLV cats to spread it to? 

 

I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April when he 
goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to do, and what 
additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here to avoid spread, 
now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net



I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.

 

- Original Message -

Hello again,

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

Thank you,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

2019-02-22 Thread dlg...@windstream.net
I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.
- Original Message -
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:10:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

Hello again, For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous 
are your cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? 
Do you have your negative cats retested every year? Thank you, - Lorraine 
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one can imagine."  - Alan Turing  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

2019-02-22 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Thank you, Sandra. I’ve shared your info with my cousin.

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandra 
Wachtstetter
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

 

Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani - so 
you can see a bit more

From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 
400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most 
of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things 
aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you’re 
at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do.

Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on 
a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which treated my 
Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab 
technologist, so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various 
medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork 
done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was 
going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I 
kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an 
option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the 
next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had 
nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him 
alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after 
just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his 
profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a 
few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had seen with him 
since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial 
increase in red cells from his transfusions.

I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than 
a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference 
range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, 
his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and hematocrit, so 
even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out 
of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets 
had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from 
the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, 
and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the 
Winstrol – something like 10 months later.

No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary 
or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except 
mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady 
rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his 
entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was 
understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe 
that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells 
(something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells 
which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the 
combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the 
viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less 
risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told 
that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think 
that it’s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal 
inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, 
I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination but was able to 
understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my 
scientific/medical training.

Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered 
at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that 
the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was ab

Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

2019-02-22 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Thank you. I’ve shared your info with my cousin.

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:18 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

 

Boy I t blab a lot, don’t I?

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Wachtstetter
Sent: February 21, 2019 9:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

 

Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani - so 
you can see a bit more

From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 
400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most 
of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things 
aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you’re 
at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do.

Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on 
a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which treated my 
Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab 
technologist, so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various 
medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork 
done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was 
going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I 
kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an 
option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the 
next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had 
nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him 
alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after 
just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his 
profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a 
few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had seen with him 
since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial 
increase in red cells from his transfusions.

I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than 
a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference 
range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, 
his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and hematocrit, so 
even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out 
of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets 
had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from 
the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, 
and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the 
Winstrol – something like 10 months later.

No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary 
or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except 
mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady 
rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his 
entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was 
understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe 
that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells 
(something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells 
which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the 
combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the 
viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less 
risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told 
that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think 
that it’s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal 
inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, 
I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination but was able to 
understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my 
scientific/medical training.

Zander lived another 7 years and

Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

2019-02-21 Thread Amani Oakley
Boy I t blab a lot, don’t I?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Wachtstetter
Sent: February 21, 2019 9:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro


Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani - so 
you can see a bit more

From: Amani Oakley
Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 
400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most 
of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things 
aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you’re 
at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do.

Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on 
a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which treated my 
Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab 
technologist, so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various 
medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork 
done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was 
going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I 
kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an 
option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the 
next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had 
nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him 
alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after 
just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his 
profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a 
few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had seen with him 
since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial 
increase in red cells from his transfusions.

I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than 
a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference 
range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, 
his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and hematocrit, so 
even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out 
of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets 
had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from 
the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, 
and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the 
Winstrol – something like 10 months later.

No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary 
or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except 
mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady 
rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his 
entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was 
understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe 
that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells 
(something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells 
which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the 
combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the 
viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less 
risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told 
that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think 
that it’s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal 
inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, 
I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination but was able to 
understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my 
scientific/medical training.

Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered 
at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that 
the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able 
to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I wanted him 
with us for longer than 7 years but given that the vets were telling us there 
was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just

Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

2019-02-21 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani - so 
you can see a bit more

From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org '
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 
400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most 
of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things 
aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you’re 
at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do.

Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on 
a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which treated my 
Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab 
technologist, so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various 
medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork 
done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was 
going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I 
kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an 
option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the 
next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had 
nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him 
alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after 
just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his 
profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a 
few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had seen with him 
since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial 
increase in red cells from his transfusions.

I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than 
a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference 
range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, 
his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and hematocrit, so 
even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out 
of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets 
had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from 
the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, 
and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the 
Winstrol – something like 10 months later.

No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary 
or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except 
mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady 
rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his 
entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was 
understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe 
that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells 
(something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells 
which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the 
combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the 
viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less 
risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told 
that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think 
that it’s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal 
inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, 
I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination but was able to 
understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my 
scientific/medical training.

Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered 
at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that 
the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able 
to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I wanted him 
with us for longer than 7 years but given that the vets were telling us there 
was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just be grateful 
that we had him for so much longer than that.

Amani  

> On February 21, 2019 at 9:40 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
>

Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

2019-02-21 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Lorraine

What I have suggested to many in this group, for treatment of FeLV, is the 
following combination of medications:


Winstrol (Stanazolol) - 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline - 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone - ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low - like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.



Lorraine, you will very likely encounter great resistance or skepticism 
regarding the use of the Winstrol. It is an anabolic steroid, associated with 
some doping scandals in professional athletics, so it has a bad rap in the 
sports world. I haven't yet figures out why this should matter in the animal 
world, especially since NOTHING else works to turn back on the red cell 
production in FeLV, but I am just warning you that you may get an unexpected 
reaction from the vet. If not, terrific - carry on. If you do, many people in 
this online group have managed to procure it themselves.

I also suggest blood work up front, so you can gauge how well the Winstrol is 
working to address the anemia. The other thing to resist, however, is that 
Winstrol may well bump up liver enzymes - sometimes dramatically. Vets will get 
alarmed at this and will often tell you to discontinue the Winstrol, but I 
would resist this. The liver enzymes almost always go back to normal once the 
Winstrol is discontinued, with no lasting harm to the liver, and there is 
really nothing else to use for this disease.

How long you need to stay on this regimen will depend on the lab results. Once 
the anemia is resolved (haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocytes back to 
normal) you may need to continue with the Winstrol for a more time. My 
experience was that every time I wanted to wean my cat off the Winstrol, his 
haematocrit would immediately drop. I kept him on the Winstrol until I didn't 
see a drop in haematocrit when I began to wean him off. My cat's results were 
horrible, before starting the Winstrol. (His haematocrit was FIVE, with ZERO 
percent reticulocytes, and I had given him several blood transfusions, which 
obviously were only a temporary fix.)

I hope this helps.

Amani












From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: February 21, 2019 7:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

Hello,
I'm a new member. While caring for my cousin's cat Baby here in my home during 
his 2-week vacation in Mexico, we had bloodwork done ahead of the dental 
cleaning that my husband and I agreed to have done for her.  She turned up 
positive for FeLeuk on ELISA, IFA, and PCR--the triple whammy. She's already 
slightly anemic.
Baby was first vaccinated against FeLV in Jan. 2018 before her first-ever stay 
with us.  But the booster due at week 3-4 was missed. This was followed by a 
bite puncture in Dec. 2018. So I suspect that first vaccine was worn off by the 
time of the bite.
Baby is 11 and in otherwise good health, so I hope there's a good chance she'll 
still live her "normal span" --and perhaps even die of something unrelated. But 
the anemia is not a  good sign, I'm told.
I am putting together information for my cousin to try to take the edge off of 
the terrible shock this will give him. I'm of course including cautions about 
keeping her indoors, etc., and following up on any symptoms, etc. I hope to put 
off telling him until just before he flies back to the US.
I suspect my cousin would prefer treatments that are oral as opposed to IV. But 
his wife is trained as a nurse, so perhaps they would be willing to try 
difficult-to-administer treatments. I'm not sure how much room their budget has 
for expensive, imported treatments like feline interferon omega.
On general principles: in our home, Baby has been kept entirely separate from 
our own six cats, who are vaccinated against FeLV except for one little guy who 
has FIV whom we avoid over-vaccinating. We have always hand-washed after 
handling Baby or her dishes, even prior to this diagnostic info.
I think I've drawn the complete picture, but please ask if I've left out 
something important.
FWIW, I have a degree in biology and am a medical writer, so I don't scare 
easy, and I understand big words...mostly. (-:

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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