Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-09-01 Thread Sharyl
Sounds like a good idea MC.  Would be nice if there could be one contact person 
everyone could send their thoughts to.  Then that person could compile the list 
of questions for everyone to review.
And no I'm not volunteering to be the compiler
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:40 PM
 i've been mentioning for years that
 we, who are on the front lines of this,
 should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so
 that all the
 correct questions ARE asked
 
 each of us has different ideas of what is important, and
 it's so important
 for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary
 setting, and a
 forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both
 sides...
 
 if we could pull together something that was realistic,
 then it would be
 possible for local people to do some of the early footwork.
 we just CANNOT
 believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a
 website. nor can
 judgments be made on places that don't have the time to
 make a fancy one--
 
 we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose
 of coming up
 with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it
 a place to figure
 out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and
 surer
 
 MC
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:
 
  I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to
 spend time
  responding
  to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking
 into sanctuaries to
  be
  sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a
 great idea about asking
  what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the
 founders die or can no
  longer care for the animals. That is an essential part
 of questions to ask
  all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there
 that make the rest of
  us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and
 co-founder of C  W Rustic
  Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and
 Sharyl are familiar
  with
  our work and we always tell people if they are
 thinking of taking any cat
  to
  a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go
 themselves or send someone
  they know to check it out. We have solid plans to
 continue past us and our
  board would make the decision at that point to not
 take any more cats
  except
  those who are planned to come here when it is time, or
 to go ahead and
  continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five
 buildings at this time
  and
  are building a sixth one this fall.  But your
 ideas are so 'right on' about
  visiting places and finding out the plans for their
 future. Great ideas.
  Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5 
 years and lost one this
  summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19
 years ago. That's the
  exception not the rule, however. Five years is a
 critical period for FeLV
  kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for
 them, the end result is
  the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their
 lives, not the
  quantity
  and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at
 C  W Rustic Hollow
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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-09-01 Thread Sue Frank Koren
I will compile the information and also contact the various shelters to get 
their input.  How do you think this would best be done?  Post the names of 
shelters to this list and I will take it from there?  
I do not have any talent at getting things on web pages, so if I make a list 
would anyone else be able to put it on an appropriate web page?
To begin with I will make up a questionaire for shelters.  I will post it here 
in a day or so for suggestions.
Hopefully this will be a useful and interesting project!
Sue


 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Sounds like a good idea MC.  Would be nice if there could be one contact 
 person everyone could send their thoughts to.  Then that person could compile 
 the list of questions for everyone to review.
 And no I'm not volunteering to be the compiler
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Mon, 8/31/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:40 PM
  i've been mentioning for years that
  we, who are on the front lines of this,
  should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so
  that all the
  correct questions ARE asked
  
  each of us has different ideas of what is important, and
  it's so important
  for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary
  setting, and a
  forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both
  sides...
  
  if we could pull together something that was realistic,
  then it would be
  possible for local people to do some of the early footwork.
  we just CANNOT
  believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a
  website. nor can
  judgments be made on places that don't have the time to
  make a fancy one--
  
  we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose
  of coming up
  with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it
  a place to figure
  out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and
  surer
  
  MC
  
  
  On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin 
  cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:
  
   I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to
  spend time
   responding
   to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking
  into sanctuaries to
   be
   sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a
  great idea about asking
   what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the
  founders die or can no
   longer care for the animals. That is an essential part
  of questions to ask
   all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there
  that make the rest of
   us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and
  co-founder of C  W Rustic
   Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and
  Sharyl are familiar
   with
   our work and we always tell people if they are
  thinking of taking any cat
   to
   a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go
  themselves or send someone
   they know to check it out. We have solid plans to
  continue past us and our
   board would make the decision at that point to not
  take any more cats
   except
   those who are planned to come here when it is time, or
  to go ahead and
   continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five
  buildings at this time
   and
   are building a sixth one this fall.  But your
  ideas are so 'right on' about
   visiting places and finding out the plans for their
  future. Great ideas.
   Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5 
  years and lost one this
   summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19
  years ago. That's the
   exception not the rule, however. Five years is a
  critical period for FeLV
   kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for
  them, the end result is
   the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their
  lives, not the
   quantity
   and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at
  C  W Rustic Hollow
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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-09-01 Thread Belinda Sauro
   I am a web designer and would be happy to do the web stuff.  Do you 
have a website to put it on in mind?  I have several domain names we can 
add a sub domain to if you need a website and webspace.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-09-01 Thread Sue Frank Koren
Belinda,
I have no website in mind.  Would it work for you if I compiled the list in an 
excel format and sent it to you as an attachment?  I am thinking of doing it 
with catagories of state - city - name of sanctuary - contact information.  
Then some type of table which would incorporate the answers to the questionaire 
and then a comments section under that.   It may take some playing with to make 
it fit together in a format that will be user friendly.
Sue

 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 I am a web designer and would be happy to do the web stuff.  Do you 
 have a website to put it on in mind?  I have several domain names we can 
 add a sub domain to if you need a website and webspace.
 
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 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
 http://bemikitties.com
 
 http://BelindaSauro.com
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-08-31 Thread Carmen Conklin
I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time responding
to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to be
sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about asking
what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no
longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask
all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of
us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C  W Rustic
Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar with
our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat to
a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone
they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our
board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats except
those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and
continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time and
are building a sixth one this fall.  But your ideas are so 'right on' about
visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas.
Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5  years and lost one this
summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the
exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV
kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for them, the end result is
the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the quantity
and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C  W Rustic Hollow
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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-08-31 Thread Sharyl
Thanks for writing about sanctuaries Carmen.  You are better at articulating 
the major points than I was.
Anyone traveling through northern IA should stop in for a visit at CW.  What 
really impressed me was the accomodations made for special needs kitties.
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote:

 From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 5:53 PM
 I am a member of this list who
 doesn't get a chance to spend time responding
 to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into
 sanctuaries to be
 sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great
 idea about asking
 what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders
 die or can no
 longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of
 questions to ask
 all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that
 make the rest of
 us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and
 co-founder of C  W Rustic
 Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl
 are familiar with
 our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of
 taking any cat to
 a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves
 or send someone
 they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue
 past us and our
 board would make the decision at that point to not take any
 more cats except
 those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to
 go ahead and
 continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings
 at this time and
 are building a sixth one this fall.  But your ideas
 are so 'right on' about
 visiting places and finding out the plans for their future.
 Great ideas.
 Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5  years
 and lost one this
 summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years
 ago. That's the
 exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical
 period for FeLV
 kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for
 them, the end result is
 the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives,
 not the quantity
 and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C
  W Rustic Hollow
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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-08-31 Thread MaryChristine
i've been mentioning for years that we, who are on the front lines of this,
should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so that all the
correct questions ARE asked

each of us has different ideas of what is important, and it's so important
for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary setting, and a
forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both sides...

if we could pull together something that was realistic, then it would be
possible for local people to do some of the early footwork. we just CANNOT
believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a website. nor can
judgments be made on places that don't have the time to make a fancy one--

we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose of coming up
with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it a place to figure
out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and surer

MC


On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:

 I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time
 responding
 to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to
 be
 sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about asking
 what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no
 longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask
 all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of
 us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C  W Rustic
 Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar
 with
 our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat
 to
 a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone
 they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our
 board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats
 except
 those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and
 continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time
 and
 are building a sixth one this fall.  But your ideas are so 'right on' about
 visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas.
 Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5  years and lost one this
 summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the
 exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV
 kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for them, the end result is
 the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the
 quantity
 and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C  W Rustic Hollow
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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

2009-08-31 Thread Chris
When I had this insane thought that I'd rehome my 2nd FELV + cat, the late
great Romeo, I learned that its not easy--particularly over the phone.  But
the ONE thing that seemed to work real well is a vet reference.  I found
vets, or rather the office manager, pretty clear in their assessments.  The
scary thing is that there were a couple of people who asked about adopting
him who sounded great on the phone but when I talked to their vet, the
horror stories gave me the chills.  And the other side of the coin is that
those folks who got great vet references clearly were known to their vet for
following up and giving good care.  

Of course, the problem is when you have a potential adopter who does not now
have a pet or a current vet.  But one thing I learned in doing postKatrina
reunion work, if you get somebody to talk about their pet or a pet they used
to have, you get a real good sense of their attitudes.  If they don't
include in their conversation all those little things about a pet that we
all know about--those tiny little things that make our pet unique (what they
like to eat, what they like to play with, where they sleep, what they do
when they're mad, what funny sounds or gestures they make, etc.)--then they
weren't too attentive and the potential for a future adoption dims.   

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ 

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i've been mentioning for years that we, who are on the front lines of this,
should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so that all the
correct questions ARE asked

each of us has different ideas of what is important, and it's so important
for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary setting, and a
forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both sides...

if we could pull together something that was realistic, then it would be
possible for local people to do some of the early footwork. we just CANNOT
believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a website. nor can
judgments be made on places that don't have the time to make a fancy one--

we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose of coming up
with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it a place to figure
out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and surer

MC


On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin
cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:

 I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time
 responding
 to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to
 be
 sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about
asking
 what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no
 longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask
 all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of
 us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C  W Rustic
 Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar
 with
 our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat
 to
 a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone
 they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our
 board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats
 except
 those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and
 continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time
 and
 are building a sixth one this fall.  But your ideas are so 'right on'
about
 visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas.
 Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5  years and lost one this
 summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the
 exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV
 kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for them, the end result is
 the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the
 quantity
 and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C  W Rustic Hollow
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