Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding

2008-12-29 Thread Sharyl
I'm hoping Lorrie did not mean she would never assist feed another cat.  There 
are so many reasons a cat stops eating that can be treated if a person is 
willing to assist feed for a period of time.  Constipation and dehydration are 
two that come to mind that anyone of us with a FeLV+ kitty might face.  Assist 
feeding while the medical problem is being addressed will save the cat's life.
 
There are many ways to assist feed.  Please note I use the term assist feeding 
instead of force feeding.  A lot of the process is the state of your mind while 
helping your cat.  I assist my cats to consume the daily calories they need.   
My Pequita only eats if I spoon feed her on my bed.  Works for her, works for 
me.  
 
Bright Eyes is bouncing back and forth between diarrhea and constipation while 
I try and figure out the problem and the right dose of lactulose.   He gets 
syringe fed 20 cc of Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy every few hours to supplement 
what little he does eat on his own.  He is the only one of the 4 FeLV+ babies I 
rescued last fall that isn't doing well.   I've accepted that I might lose him 
but by golly he isn't going to starve to death.  I can't fix FeLV but I can 
prevent starvation.  
 
Once again here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
It is a good one to bookmark.
Sharyl


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Force Feeding
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:35 AM

Thanks for your post Wendy.  That other post did come on awfully
strong, and she certainly didn't do anything wrong. She did the 
best she could, which is all any of us can do.  

As for force feeding. I feel it helps if the cat has a problem that
is curable, but NOT if the cat is so sick it is going to die soon
anyway. I still feel terribly guilty about a cat I had several years
ago that I force fed.  He struggled to get away from me but he was
too weak. When he began to gag I realized this was pure torture for
him and I stopped the force feeding.. He died a few days later. 
I will never put another cat through this!

Lorrie




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding

2008-12-29 Thread Belinda Sauro

Sharyl,
Thank you for your input, I'd like to add that most kitties 
initially don't like to be assist fed, this does not in most cases mean 
they are ready to die.   The process of not eating is a very vicious 
cycle.  When a cat doesn't feel good OR can't smell their food, they 
most likely will not eat, even if they are no where near dying.  A cat 
with a bad URI may very well stop eating, I just went through this with 
a stray my sister was feeding in her back yard.  Kitty hadn't eaten for 
a couple of days, I started her on antibiotics and in 2 more days she 
started eating a little, then more as the antibiotics worked to clear up 
her URI.  If she hadn't started eating on her own I would have syringe 
fed her, she couldn't smell her food and wanted to eat but wouldn't.  
Once she could smell again and was feeling a little better she started 
eating again.


When a cat is sick, they don't feel like eating, same as when a person 
is sick, I have been sick enough several times in my life that food was 
the last thing I wanted.  Difference is for people not eating for a few 
days is not life threatening, for a cat it very well can be.  The longer 
a cat goes with out food the worse they feel and weaker they get, the 
worse they feel the less they want food ... you can see where this is going.


Syringe feeding a cat who has for whatever reason lost their appetite is 
not torture, it can be a life-saver.  I've had 3 cats I have had to 
syringe feed, including Fred my CRF cat.  He has been CRF for 3 years 
and in the beginning while we were trying to get him regulated, he 
stopped eating enough, he was eating but not enough.  I syringe fed him 
100cc or more a day, he hated it.  After a few weeks I decided to get a 
feeding tube put in to minimize the stress for both of us.  He is alive 
and well today, he is thinner, and his disease is progressing and it is 
terminal and at some point nothing I do will help, but for now he is 
alive and doing pretty well.


Many cats with cancer end up being syringe fed or with feeding tubes, I 
have had 2 of these myself, both would have died sooner if not for the 
syringe feeding and eventual feeding tubes.  Buddie's quality of life 
was very good her extra year, Bailey my positive not as good, because he 
had constant diarrhea but except for that it wasn't horrible and if we 
could have figured out what was going on with him before it was too late 
... he developed and died of undiagnosed pancreatic cancer.


I personally will go to extremes if there is even a slim chance of 
keeping my furkids going, you can't diagnose or find the correct 
treatment for a dead pet, it is what I expect to be done for me.  This 
is my personal opinion and way of thinking and everyone has to make 
their own decisions as to how far they will go, for me it is as far as 
possible ... I have seen and heard of some miraculous turn-arounds and 
that is why I feel the way I do.


ANY decision made out of love for your furbaby can not be wrong, you 
must do what you are comfortable with, our furkids know whatever we do 
or don't do is because we love them and want to do the best we can for them.


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

http://bemikitties.com

http://BelindaSauro.com


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Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding

2008-12-29 Thread Lorrie
Hi Sharyl,

I see what you mean about assist rather than force, and I would
definitely assist feed a cat who is just off it's food for awhile or
one who had a non terminal illness. The story I wrote about happened
many years ago, and this cat was dying of kidney failure, but I was
too young and too dumb to know it, and I kept hoping he'd get better.
Now I realize I was probably torturing the poor cat by forcing food
into him.

As a matter of fact I am assist feeding my very old cat now. His
recent blood work was very good for his age, and he had his teeth
cleaned again, plus had an extraction, but he will not eat unless I
sit there with him, and give him small amounts of food several
times a day.  I see what you mean about assist rather than force.

Lorrie


On 12-29, Sharyl wrote: I'm hoping Lorrie did not mean she would
 never assist feed another cat.? There are so many reasons a cat
 stops eating that can be treated if a person is willing to assist
 feed for a period of time.? Constipation and dehydration are two
 that come to mind that anyone of us with a FeLV+ kitty might face.?
 Assist feeding while the medical problem is being addressed will
 save the cat's life. ? There are many ways to assist feed.? Please
 note I use the term assist feeding instead of force feeding.? A lot
 of the process is the state of your mind while helping your cat.? I
 assist my cats to consume the daily calories they need.?? My
 Pequita only eats if I spoon feed her on my bed.? Works for her,
 works for me.?  ? Bright Eyes is bouncing back and forth between
 diarrhea and constipation while I try and figure out the problem
 and the right dose of lactulose.? ?He gets syringe fed 20 cc of
 Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy every few hours to supplement what
 little he does eat on his own.? He is the only one of the 4 FeLV+
 babies I rescued last fall that isn't doing well.?? I've accepted
 that I might lose him but by golly he isn't going to starve to
 death.? I can't fix FeLV but I can prevent starvation.?  ? Once
 again here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ It is a
 good one to bookmark. Sharyl
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding

2008-12-29 Thread dlgegg
Lorrie,  you say he won't eat unless you sit with him and give him small bits 
of food.  could it be that he likes the attention and doing tihs gets him even 
more?  he doesn't feel good and wants mommy to give him comfort and attention.  
animals are like children, they know what buttons to push.  i can see that in 
my own babies.  Homey #1 wants out or canned food.  i don't give it to her 
right away and she will rub things, knocking them down, walk in front of me so 
slow.  all that stops when she gets what she wants.  Homey @2 has a sinus 
infection and is sneezing a lot.  she doesn't want her nose wiped, but keeps 
coming back for more and every time i sit, she is on mylap.  she knows i will 
wipe her nose, but is willing to put up with that to get what she wants.  dorlis
 Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: 
 Hi Sharyl,
 
 I see what you mean about assist rather than force, and I would
 definitely assist feed a cat who is just off it's food for awhile or
 one who had a non terminal illness. The story I wrote about happened
 many years ago, and this cat was dying of kidney failure, but I was
 too young and too dumb to know it, and I kept hoping he'd get better.
 Now I realize I was probably torturing the poor cat by forcing food
 into him.
 
 As a matter of fact I am assist feeding my very old cat now. His
 recent blood work was very good for his age, and he had his teeth
 cleaned again, plus had an extraction, but he will not eat unless I
 sit there with him, and give him small amounts of food several
 times a day.  I see what you mean about assist rather than force.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 12-29, Sharyl wrote: I'm hoping Lorrie did not mean she would
  never assist feed another cat.? There are so many reasons a cat
  stops eating that can be treated if a person is willing to assist
  feed for a period of time.? Constipation and dehydration are two
  that come to mind that anyone of us with a FeLV+ kitty might face.?
  Assist feeding while the medical problem is being addressed will
  save the cat's life. ? There are many ways to assist feed.? Please
  note I use the term assist feeding instead of force feeding.? A lot
  of the process is the state of your mind while helping your cat.? I
  assist my cats to consume the daily calories they need.?? My
  Pequita only eats if I spoon feed her on my bed.? Works for her,
  works for me.?  ? Bright Eyes is bouncing back and forth between
  diarrhea and constipation while I try and figure out the problem
  and the right dose of lactulose.? ?He gets syringe fed 20 cc of
  Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy every few hours to supplement what
  little he does eat on his own.? He is the only one of the 4 FeLV+
  babies I rescued last fall that isn't doing well.?? I've accepted
  that I might lose him but by golly he isn't going to starve to
  death.? I can't fix FeLV but I can prevent starvation.?  ? Once
  again here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ It is a
  good one to bookmark. Sharyl
  
  
 
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