Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread dlgegg
Rice and beans can also get stuck between our chompers.  Also bean sprouts and 
lettuce.  But I still love them.  My big protein source is pinto beans on a 
tortilla with lots of greens and Thai peppers.


 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 In addition, our teeth are not those of carnivores.  We have teeth similar to 
 other primates.  We can't tear into our food.  We chomp like a chimp.  Our 
 teeth are suited to nuts, seeds, grains, fruit, leaves, tubers and roots.  
 When we try to shred meat, even the most tender steak or well cooked chicken, 
 our teeth tend to mash it down rather than prepare it properly for digestion. 
 Our gall bladders work overtime trying to deal with animal fat.  All animal 
 flesh has fat in it, even the stuff listed as lean. The meat gets stuck 
 between our chompers and causes tooth decay whereas if we ate rice, beans, 
 plants and fruits, we would haves less reason to floss.


 
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 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
 

Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in 
cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot 
listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that 
mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve 
that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because 
there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become 
hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was 
conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.
There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of the 
Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over 
matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the 
time because of all the available fruit.
As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ 
are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids 
and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs.  Food 
can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36 hours, and with weaker 
digestive juices. 
 
If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to 
change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also 
destroys the planet in more ways than one.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
 
That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting 
that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do 
they eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have 
been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles 
how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread dlgegg
I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and 
then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being 
raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, 
buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you 
turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 4H.  They hand 
raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the 
fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I saw one.
 


 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live 
 in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a 
 lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about 
 that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not 
 deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on 
 FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their 
 food came from!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to 
  become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate 
  was conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.
  There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of the 
  Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind 
  over matter?  Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most 
  of the time because of all the available fruit.
  
  As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true 
  carnivores’ are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger 
  digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in 
  about 12 hrs.  Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36 
  hours, and with weaker digestive juices.
   
  If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to 
  change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and 
  also destroys the planet in more ways than one.
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
  Joslin Potter
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
   
  That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting 
  that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What 
  do they eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people 
  have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the 
  jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Natalie
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and 
then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being 
raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, 
buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you 
turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 4H.  They hand 
raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the 
fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I saw one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders 
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an 
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in 
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and 
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an 
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning 
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess 
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens 
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become 
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it 
was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. 


~ * Joslin Irene *~
 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and 
then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being 
raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, 
buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you 
turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 4H.  They hand 
raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the 
fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I saw one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Lee Evans
I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or 
not.  The main thing is that humans are omnivorous.  We can survive quite 
nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products.  Killing a 
chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he 
doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right.  I can't 
do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to 
live.  It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant 
tomatoes and pumpkins.  I applaud farming, especially organic farming.  But 
raising a  700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a 
thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea 
of teaching kids ethics.  What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to 
send your friend off to be slaughtered.  Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when 
the final day comes
 and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed.  
Even the money is not solace.  So what type of lesson do they learn? That they 
have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder.  Think about 
how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats 
for food is acceptable.  Why do we consider some animals food and some as 
respected companions and family members?  When you think about that, maybe you 
won't be a 4H enthusiast any more.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
 

I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders 
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an 
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in 
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and 
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an 
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning 
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess 
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens 
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become 
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it 
was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. 

 
~ * Joslin Irene *~

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
 
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for
 food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from 
some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you 
meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are 
smart, you turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 
4H.  They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and 
then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I 
saw one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Natalie
I agree with you – if it entailed great organic farming, 4-H would be very 
worthwhile!

I put that in the same category as a parent last year , as punishment, made the 
child kill their cat, or some morons punishing their children by throwing their 
pets out of the windows in multi-storied buildings! That borders on child 
abuse!  Children are naturally dawn to animals, and when they rear an animal 
until adulthood, they love it – then giving it up to be slaughtered is 
definitely a shock to some kids (not all!), and they will never forget it.

I also dislike Heifer International, where they give a village a cow or a goat 
(to supply milk, or whatever) – but doesn’t a cow have to be kept pregnant in 
order to lactate – DUH!  Most of the time, the village is so poor, no water, 
totally arid, and one wonders just how that animal will survive without food 
and water……and they always show the people all laughing and smiling, pictured 
with the donated animal….it’s almost as bad a sending them a lawn mower or snow 
plow.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

 

I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or 
not.  The main thing is that humans are omnivorous.  We can survive quite 
nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products.  Killing a 
chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he 
doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right.  I can't 
do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to 
live.  It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant 
tomatoes and pumpkins.  I applaud farming, especially organic farming.  But 
raising a  700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a 
thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea 
of teaching kids ethics.  What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to 
send your friend off to be slaughtered.  Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when 
the final day comes and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is 
going to be killed.  Even the money is not solace.  So what type of lesson do 
they learn? That they have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of 
murder.  Think about how horrified we are if we hear about some country where 
killing dogs and cats for food is acceptable.  Why do we consider some animals 
food and some as respected companions and family members?  When you think about 
that, maybe you won't be a 4H enthusiast any more.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

 

I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders 
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an 
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in 
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and 
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an 
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning 
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess 
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens 
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become 
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it 
was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. 

 

~ * Joslin Irene *~

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting


That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and 
then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being 
raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, 
buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you 
turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 4H.  They hand 
raise the animal

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
As a small game hunter myself, however, I can understand why one might be upset 
with the system of eating certain animals and not others. I know in countries 
overseas like Thialand, China, and Korea they acutally eat dogs and cats, so I 
can understand your sensitivity when you refer to a rabbit/chicken having a 
difference of opinion. Since starting this group I joined Change.org in hopes 
that by signing my name I might be able to make a change, however, the country 
girl in my can't kick the deer steaks and my all time favirote snapper turtle, 
but I do respect your choice to be an omnivour. 


~ * Joslin Irene *~

  


 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  

I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or 
not.  The main thing is that humans are omnivorous.  We can survive quite 
nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products.  Killing a 
chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he 
doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right.  I can't 
do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to 
live.  It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant 
tomatoes and pumpkins.  I applaud farming, especially organic farming.  But 
raising a  700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a 
thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea 
of teaching kids ethics.  What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to 
send your friend off to be slaughtered.  Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when 
the final day comes
 and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed.  
Even the money is not solace.  So what type of lesson do they learn? That they 
have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder.  Think about 
how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats 
for food is acceptable.  Why do we consider some animals food and some as 
respected companions and family members?  When you think about that, maybe you 
won't be a 4H enthusiast any more.



Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!


 


 From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  

I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders 
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an 
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in 
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and 
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an 
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning 
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess 
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens 
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become 
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it 
was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. 


~ * Joslin Irene *~
 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One
 look in their eyes and that would be it for me.  These animals are raised to 
trust us for
 food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from 
some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you 
meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are 
smart, you turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 
4H.  They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and 
then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I 
saw one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
When I first joined the animal welfare movement, I was and still am an animal 
rights activist, vegan by ethics and choice.  I was treated by some as if I 
were a terrorist, barely tolerated by them, feared by others, ignored by still 
others.  Finally, one of the fearful people asked me what vegetarians eat.  I 
ask back what did she think they ate and she said, Cabbage, carrots, lettuce, 
you know, vegetables.  I told her that she had probably mistaken us for 
rabbits.  Then I explained the bean protocol, the tofu and soy protocol to 
her.  She wrinkled her nose and said that this can't be healthy.  I wrinkled my 
nose right back at her and said that eating a dead animal isn't healthy 
either.  Some years later, I met her again.  She asked after my cats, found 
that I had as many as I originally had, then asked me if I were still a vegan.  
I told her I was and she said the she wasn't yet a vegan but she was a 
vegetarian because of all the horrid
 things she had heard about how meat was raised and processed.  I think that if 
you are polite and courteous and patient with people and your belief is 
rational, logical and legitimate, you can eventually educate most people to see 
your way of thinking as acceptable and even worth trying especially if that 
belief gets enough press coverage and publicity.


 
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 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 

There are several of us on this list who do not eat meat and believe that 
animals have the right to a life apart from what humans think they're here for, 
i.e. simply to feed humans or be used as a sporting event.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote:


I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 

It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next 
year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting 
encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because 
states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will 
notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have 
made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. 
 Natalie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin
 
From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
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Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders
 get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by
 mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Marcia Baronda
Stupid ideas from stupid people! Sorry, I hate to sound so judgemental, but 
seriously? Killed all the cats? That makes me sick.

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On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:53 AM
 I get the same response from hostile people.  Trees and vegetables are 
 living things so you can't eat that either.  Well, I will never be seen 
 munching on a tree.  I'm not a woodpecker but my idea is that I never eat 
 anything that had a face or could move on feet, claws, feelers, or any way 
 else. Most vegetables (except politicians) are meant to be eaten.  So are 
 fruits.  When I was growing vegetables, I would allow a certain number of 
 them to go to seed, to fulfill their need to propagate. The rest I would eat. 
  Humans have a choice.  Carnivorous species such as cats, lions, birds of 
 prey don't have a choice so I wouldn't expect them to be made into 
 vegetarians.  Unfortunately, here comes the problem.  If we all stop eating 
 animals, then we won't kill cows, sheep, pigs and the cats won't have meat in 
 their cat food.  But here's the solution.  They rarely have much meat in the 
 cat food anyway.  The first ingredient in most store products is corn meal.  
 I assume that we could produce a balanced cat food with enough Taurine and 
 other ingredients to satisfy physical needs of a carnivore like a cat if 
 everyone in the world became vegetarian.  However, thinking that everyone 
 will some day become vegetarian is rather unrealistic, like those people who 
 think that if we spay and neuter outside cats, colony cats, etc. we will some 
 day not have any more cats and dogs on Earth.  Actually, this happened in one 
 city.  They picked up all the cats and killed them at the city animal pound.  
 Altogether, 2000 cats were destroyed.  It was a small city.  Everyone 
 rejoiced.  The outside roaming cat population was gone!  Several months 
 later, the outside roaming rat and mouse population increased to alarming 
 levels and the city had to import a few hundred cats from surrounding cities 
 to get things back under control.  Stupid ideas abound.  
 
  
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that 
now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they 
eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been 
eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Natalie
Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to
become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was
conducive, and I'm sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.

There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of the
Hunzas manage to survive on just energy - not sure how that works, mind
over matter?  Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of
the time because of all the available fruit.

As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores'
are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids
and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs.
Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36 hours, and with
weaker digestive juices. 

 

If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to
change - rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and
also destroys the planet in more ways than one.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Joslin Potter
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

 

That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting
that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do
they eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have
been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles
how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Marcia
Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in 
cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot 
listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that 
mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve 
that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because 
there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to 
 become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was 
 conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.
 There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of the 
 Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind 
 over matter?  Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of 
 the time because of all the available fruit.
 
 As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ 
 are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids 
 and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs.  
 Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36 hours, and with 
 weaker digestive juices.
  
 If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to 
 change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and 
 also destroys the planet in more ways than one.
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Joslin Potter
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  
 That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting 
 that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do 
 they eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have 
 been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles 
 how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Lee Evans
In addition, our teeth are not those of carnivores.  We have teeth similar to 
other primates.  We can't tear into our food.  We chomp like a chimp.  Our 
teeth are suited to nuts, seeds, grains, fruit, leaves, tubers and roots.  When 
we try to shred meat, even the most tender steak or well cooked chicken, our 
teeth tend to mash it down rather than prepare it properly for digestion. Our 
gall bladders work overtime trying to deal with animal fat.  All animal flesh 
has fat in it, even the stuff listed as lean. The meat gets stuck between our 
chompers and causes tooth decay whereas if we ate rice, beans, plants and 
fruits, we would haves less reason to floss.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
 

Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in 
cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot 
listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that 
mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve 
that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because 
there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become 
hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was 
conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.
There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of the 
Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over 
matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the 
time because of all the available fruit.
As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ 
are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids 
and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs.  Food 
can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36 hours, and with weaker 
digestive juices. 
 
If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to 
change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also 
destroys the planet in more ways than one.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
 
That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting 
that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do 
they eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have 
been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-03 Thread dlgegg
Most of the hunting accidents around here are city people coming out with 
only the weekend to hunt and they get desperate to get a kill.  The guys 
around (all farmers) know the drill and don't go out without their orange on 
and have been handling guns all their lives so there are not too many cattle, 
horses shot.  It is the ones who have the attitude that pets are just animals 
and do not deserve to be protected or feral animals either.  I don't hold with 
killing creatures unless they are a threat to me or mine and maybe if I was 
starving but then I probably could find enough plants and berries to eat.  
Don't think I could ever look them in the eye and pull the trigger.
Yes, you do have a point.  because of the extreme dry here (over 2 months), a 
lot of animals are dying, especially deer.  Many are getting pneumonia from 
breathing in so much dust and so many gaher at the few ponds left that 
mosquitos are spreading blue tongue like crazy.  I would rather see a deer die 
a quick death from a shot than see them linger on for days in paini.  Assumiong 
the hunter knows how to shoot and if necessary will spend the time to track the 
wounded deer down and put it out of it's misery.


 Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-03 Thread dlgegg
Never thought of that
 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Yeah Natalie!!! (-:
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t 
  really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  
  Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because 
  hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and 
  because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure 
  that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long 
  run.  I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer 
  biology/reproduction.  Natalie
   
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
  Joslin Potter
  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
   
  I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
  keeping population under control. -Joslin
   
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
  I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
  innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
  domestic animals, even farm animals.
  An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
  old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  Lorrie
  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
  I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
  hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
  hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
  
  
  Lorrie
  
  On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
   and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
   HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
   Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
   animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
   
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Lorrie
I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to
see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when
I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so HE
 stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. 
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals
 so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Natalie
I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Natalie
It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn't
really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.
Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because
hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and
because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I'm sure that
you will notice that the population doesn't really go down in the long run.
I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer
biology/reproduction.  Natalie

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Joslin Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting


I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  

It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin
 
From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
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Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

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Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Lorrie
Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Heather
This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the
person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-recovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies
 a
 slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we
 had
 to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I
 was
 upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

 Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
 should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
 killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

 On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
 I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
 season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
 To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer,
 and
 the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
 wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
 healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
 enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Natalie
No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to 
research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin 
or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are better 
hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, 
thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result 
of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best 
specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.

No, I do not eat any meat.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting





It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting


I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really
old type spear.  Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that
means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that
has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all
depending on where the deer is shot).  A friend in Iowa fed one such deer
with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there
- she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet.  It took a whole
year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 
The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between!  Most is trophy
hunting!
Natalie

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Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
The person who had the experience with Braveheart is actually a member, and
I joined at her suggestion because I had two FeLV+ cats at the time.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: GRAS [mailto:g...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:01 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really
old type spear.  Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that
means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that
has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all
depending on where the deer is shot).  A friend in Iowa fed one such deer
with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there
- she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet.  It took a whole
year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 
The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between!  Most is trophy
hunting!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species
will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat,
despite predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a
species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized
ones take up some of that capacity.


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 *No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point!
 According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while
 hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact,
 predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals,
 while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool –
 healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms
 by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy
 animals.*

 *No, I do not eat any meat.*

 ** **

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Joslin Potter
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM

 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 ** **

 I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
 season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To
 each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the
 people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild
 life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy
 population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the
 rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

 ** **

 *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting



 

 *It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t
 really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.
 Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because
 hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and
 because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure
 that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long
 run.  I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer
 biology/reproduction.  Natalie*

 * *

 *From:* Felvtalk 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Joslin Potter
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

  

 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as
 keeping population under control. -Joslin

  

 *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting


 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


 Lorrie

 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Marcia
Yes, they are.

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
 
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Marcia
There are several of us on this list who do not eat meat and believe that 
animals have the right to a life apart from what humans think they're here for, 
i.e. simply to feed humans or be used as a sporting event.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, 
 do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their 
 own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do 
 purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding 
 from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in 
 the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat 
 meat Natalie?
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t 
 really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  
 Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because 
 hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and 
 because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that 
 you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  
 I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer 
 biology/reproduction.  Natalie
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Joslin Potter
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin
  
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
 
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Marcia
Yeah Natalie!!! (-:

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t 
 really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  
 Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because 
 hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and 
 because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that 
 you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  
 I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer 
 biology/reproduction.  Natalie
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Joslin Potter
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin
  
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
 
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
In CT and many other states they are no longer required to have IDs on
arrows - it was fought tooth and nail because they didn't want to be
identified as bad marksmen!

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Heather
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the
person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-r
ecovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!


On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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