Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-08-30 Thread dlgegg
re:  eating litter.  why do cats do that?  what were the pills tey gave Lucy?
 Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: 
 Me, too about the cat litter. That could explain the vomiting. If he is
 vomiting and not having stools, it can mean the kitty is blocked and needs
 to be seen asap. They had my Lucy swallow some pills and then xrayed her
 stomach each couple hours to make sure they moved into the intestines. They
 did.
 
 I have never heard of using tums with cats. I know that I got kidney stones
 from eating tums and taking a calcium pill at bed time (without food).
 Laurie
 
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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you 
 know what it does when it gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I 
 have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the 
 palce I read it.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-08-30 Thread dlgegg
sounds like you have my vet.  
 Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 
 Hi Belinda,
 
 Thanks for writing.  I totally understand how you feel and just wanted to 
 respond.  My vet has worked with my leuk positives for several years now and 
 is amazing.  I've spent years working at different veterinary offices and I 
 do know how lousy some of them are.  I also know how cold and heartless some 
 of them can be when it comes to caring for our babies.  Lucky for me, that is 
 not my vet.  She takes amazing care of our kitties and I have all the 
 confidence in the world in her.  They don't push me to do things just to make 
 money but they also will stop at nothing to help my kitties when they need 
 to.  I have spent so many thousands of dollars trying to help these guys.  
 We've done chemo, we've done ultrasounds, steroids, antibiotics, fluids, 
 etc., the list goes on and on.  I have always tried to save my babies in the 
 past, sparing no expense and doing everything possible.  The problem is, in 
 my experience, I always lose them to the leukemia eventually. 
  Then sometimes I feel bad that I put them through those last couple weeks or 
 days and wonder if they suffered.  It's a personal decision and one everybody 
 must make but Maverick was miserable and for us we just knew when we found 
 him sleeping in the bathtub and not wanting to be bothered anymore.  
 
 I am listening to everything you have said and I will ask my vet about these 
 things because more knowledge is always a wonderful thing.  She always goes 
 and does research on anything unusual we come across and I always do the 
 same.  She spends hours with my cats and hours on the phone with me.  With 
 this cat, things came on very quickly.  I'm still left with unanswered 
 questions because I wasn't expecting this and I didn't see it coming.  
 However, I do know there weren't any signs of liver failure two days ago when 
 we saw the bloodwork, both chem panel and CBC.  As far as food goes, she told 
 me he needed to eat.  She gave me tons of ideas for trying to get him to eat 
 and I asked about force feeding.  He couldn't keep anything I gave him down.  
 He just kept throwing it up.  My only other choice would have been to 
 hospitalize him and try bringing him back but he's just not that type of cat. 
  Way too much attitude, spirit, and personality to handle that. 
  Hard to explain but totally not an option for this guy.  
 
 I'll always wonder if I did everything I could for him but I have to trust 
 that I did.  These cats mean the world to me and this one was actually 
 rescued by my vet.  He started coming around her barn and she brought him in 
 to neuter him.  He tested positive and she called me.  We've all been very 
 attached to him ever since so she had as much interest in saving him as I did 
 :(
 
 Thanks again for all the info and I will make it a point to read and learn 
 even more about this disease.  I owe it to Maverick and I just hope I didn't 
 let him down or fail him in any way.
 
 Amy
 
       Amy,
    I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a
  sure sign of liver failure and it doesn't happen
  overnight.  Blood tests should have shown there was a
  problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find
  another vet.
  
  If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed
  hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease, this can happen
  after only a day or two of an cat not eating enough. 
  Even if a cat is eating but very little this can happen,
  this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in
  other words food is the cure, no cat should die from
  this.  Too many vets don't pay attention when we tell
  them our cats aren't eating very much or at all, this should
  be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate further but so
  few do.
  
  I am writing this email because too few people understand
  just how deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can
  kill them quickly.  That on top of the anemia was just
  too much for Maverick's compromised body to deal with. 
  Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client know
  they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough
  isn't worth anything in my book.
  
  Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe
  feed, spoon feed, put food on your finger and put it in
  their mouths, get a feeding tube put in ... fatty liver
  disease is almost always curable even when a cat looks like
  it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost always
  bring the cat back 
  
  Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is
  letting you know it is ready to die, this is not always the
  case, think about it, when you are feeling very sick do you
  feel like eating, I know I don't.  And with a cat, they
  feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get weaker
  and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't
  going to eat.  This cycle is going to obviously kill
  the cat if there is no 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-18 Thread catatonya
I'm so sorry for your loss.  :(
tonya

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 12:09 PM



His name is Maverick. 

He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had 
enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing.

Amy

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 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM
 Poor guy. What is his name? 
 Please keep us posted.
 Laurie
 
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 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and
 she said that means it
 was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his
 belly today if we want
 but she said she felt while we were there and his belly
 felt fine.  I read,
 and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat
 litter is because of
 anemia and we already know that's going on.  I've lost
 the majority of my
 leuk positives over the years the same way.  Either
 anemisa or tumors.  We
 do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye
 on anemia but
 I've never been able to bring one back yet once the
 hematocrit starts
 dropping quickly.  I expected him to live longer
 because I've lost most of
 my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. 
 This guy is fading,
 though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm
 just trying to decide if
 I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just
 let him go
 peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have
 no doubt that the
  leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(  
 
 He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has
 not been able to
 shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other
 cats I've treated
 have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers
 actually got worse after
 treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the
 means to cope with
 fighting it off.
 
 Amy
 
 
    I would be real concerned with
  clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does
 when it
  gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have
  heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
 find
  the palce I read it.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy

Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and she said that means it 
was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his belly today if we want but 
she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine.  I read, and so 
did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and 
we already know that's going on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk positives 
over the years the same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We do full blood 
workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able 
to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly.  I expected 
him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 
7-13 and his is 23.  This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had 
enough.  I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or 
if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I 
have no doubt that the
 leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(  

He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to 
shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have 
responded quite well.  This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so 
I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off.

Amy


   I would be real concerned with
 clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it
 gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have
 heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find
 the palce I read it.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Poor guy. What is his name? 
Please keep us posted.
Laurie

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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and she said that means it
was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his belly today if we want
but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine.  I read,
and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of
anemia and we already know that's going on.  I've lost the majority of my
leuk positives over the years the same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We
do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but
I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts
dropping quickly.  I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of
my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.  This guy is fading,
though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm just trying to decide if
I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go
peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have no doubt that the
 leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(  

He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to
shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated
have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers actually got worse after
treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with
fighting it off.

Amy


   I would be real concerned with
 clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it
 gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have
 heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find
 the palce I read it.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Bailey had bartonella and he was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it 
got better.  Has your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has 
hemobartonella?  Tests for this almost always come up with false 
negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5 times or more to get an 
accurate test result.  The doxy won't hurt him if he is really negative 
but may well save his life if he is testing false negative and really 
has it.


I personally will put ANY positive kitty on it no matter what the test 
says to be on the safe side.  Hemobartonella is a very common thing that 
positives get, it causes anemia and if left untreated WILL kill the 
kitty.  Their anemia will just keep getting worse and worse until they die.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy

His name is Maverick. 

He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had 
enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing.

Amy

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM
 Poor guy. What is his name? 
 Please keep us posted.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and
 she said that means it
 was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his
 belly today if we want
 but she said she felt while we were there and his belly
 felt fine.  I read,
 and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat
 litter is because of
 anemia and we already know that's going on.  I've lost
 the majority of my
 leuk positives over the years the same way.  Either
 anemisa or tumors.  We
 do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye
 on anemia but
 I've never been able to bring one back yet once the
 hematocrit starts
 dropping quickly.  I expected him to live longer
 because I've lost most of
 my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. 
 This guy is fading,
 though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm
 just trying to decide if
 I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just
 let him go
 peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have
 no doubt that the
  leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(  
 
 He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has
 not been able to
 shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other
 cats I've treated
 have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers
 actually got worse after
 treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the
 means to cope with
 fighting it off.
 
 Amy
 
 
    I would be real concerned with
  clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does
 when it
  gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have
  heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
 find
  the palce I read it.
  
  -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Belinda Sauro
Bartonella and hemobartonella are 2 different things, are you sure he 
has bartonella and not hemobartonella?


Here are some good reads on Bartonella:

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_bartonella.html

http://www.natvetlab.com/PDF/catownerbrochure.pdf

http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/urihelp.htm

http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/truth_about_bartonella.htm

http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/truth_about_bartonella.htm

I just read some of these and Baileys symptoms were lethargy, 
inappetence and on occasion fever.  I don't see anemia on any of the 
pages I read, I didn't read all of them all the way through though.


Here are some resources on Hemobartonella:

http://ww.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+1316aid=292

Here is a little blurb from that page, sounds like what is going on with 
your little guy:


In the cat, the disease can run the spectrum from being very mild, 
with no symptoms or only a slight anemia 
javascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=anemia', 50, 50, 350, 
300), to a disease that is very severe. Signs often include 
depression, loss of appetite, and dehydration. If severe, the 
pronounced anemia could result in weight loss, pale mucous membranes, 
weakness, fast heart and respiratory rates, jaundice 
javascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=jaundice', 50, 50, 
350, 300), and death. Some owners report their cats start eating 
litter or dirt. Cats who are infected with Feline Leukemia Virus 
(FeLV) 
http://ww.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1316articleid=211 
are more likely to have severe disease. Without therapy, some cats 
with haemobartonellosis die from the severe anemia.


Another blurb about hos hard it is to detect and why it is missed many, 
many times even when a cat does have it:


Sometimes the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To 
find them, a small drop of blood is spread over a microscope slide, 
stained and examined under the microscope. *The number of organisms in 
the bloodstream can fluctuate dramatically. There can be many observed 
in one sample, and a sample taken two hours later may reveal none.* A 
polyermase chain reaction (PCR) blood test to detect these hemotropic 
mycoplasmas in cats is available.


http://www.geocities.com/pvis1960/hemobartonella.html

http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2004PID=8682O=Generic

http://www.cat-world.com.au/FelineInfectiousAnaemia.htm

These should help figure out what is going on with your kitty.  Please 
think about asking your vet about putting kitty on doxy.  It may just 
save your babies life and if you do put kitty on doxy make sure it is 
for a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks and it may take even longer, it can be 
very stubborn to get rid of.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy


   Bailey had bartonella and he
 was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it got better.  Has
 your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has
 hemobartonella?  Tests for this almost always come up
 with false negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5
 times or more to get an accurate test result.  The doxy
 won't hurt him if he is really negative but may well save
 his life if he is testing false negative and really has it.

I'm not sure if he was tested for hemobartonella or not.  I'll have to do some 
research on that.  Too late now for him but I'll definitely look into that 
since I have numerous leuk positives and would like to know more.
 
 I personally will put ANY positive kitty on it no matter
 what the test says to be on the safe side. 
 Hemobartonella is a very common thing that positives get, it
 causes anemia and if left untreated WILL kill the
 kitty.  Their anemia will just keep getting worse and
 worse until they die.

Thanks for letting me know this.  I'll definitely look into this more. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread MaryChristine
oh, amy, i'm sorry to hear this--but i'm so glad that you loved him enough
to give him the best possible life, and to honor his need to travel on. run
and play and enjoy yourself, maverick--there are lots of FeLV-no-more
friends to greet you.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy

Hi Belinda,

I just talked to my vet and she said that they looked at Maverick's blood smear 
when he was there 2 days ago and there was no sign of hemobart.  I guess they 
check it everytime he has bloodwork so he's been tested about 10-12 times.  I'm 
sure those could all be false positives but I feel better knowing they checked 
again.  I would have felt really awful if I thought I could have done something 
to save him and didn't.

Amy

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 AM
   Bailey had bartonella and he
 was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it got better.  Has
 your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has
 hemobartonella?  Tests for this almost always come up
 with false negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5
 times or more to get an accurate test result.  The doxy
 won't hurt him if he is really negative but may well save
 his life if he is testing false negative and really has it.
 
 I personally will put ANY positive kitty on it no matter
 what the test says to be on the safe side. 
 Hemobartonella is a very common thing that positives get, it
 causes anemia and if left untreated WILL kill the
 kitty.  Their anemia will just keep getting worse and
 worse until they die.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Belinda Sauro

 Amy,
  I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a sure sign of liver 
failure and it doesn't happen overnight.  Blood tests should have shown 
there was a problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find 
another vet.


If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed hepatic lipidosis, 
or fatty liver disease, this can happen after only a day or two of an 
cat not eating enough.  Even if a cat is eating but very little this can 
happen, this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in other 
words food is the cure, no cat should die from this.  Too many vets 
don't pay attention when we tell them our cats aren't eating very much 
or at all, this should be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate 
further but so few do.


I am writing this email because too few people understand just how 
deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can kill them quickly.  
That on top of the anemia was just too much for Maverick's compromised 
body to deal with.  Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client 
know they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough isn't 
worth anything in my book.


Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe feed, spoon 
feed, put food on your finger and put it in their mouths, get a feeding 
tube put in ... fatty liver disease is almost always curable even when a 
cat looks like it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost 
always bring the cat back 


Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is letting you 
know it is ready to die, this is not always the case, think about it, 
when you are feeling very sick do you feel like eating, I know I don't.  
And with a cat, they feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get 
weaker and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't going to 
eat.  This cycle is going to obviously kill the cat if there is no 
intervention.  I will never understand why this is so hard to fathom.


All that said this is my own personal opinion and up front I am one of 
those people who will go to extreme measures to try and save my furkids, 
in some peoples minds maybe too far, but that is how I am and would want 
the same for myself ... I have seen enough miracles happen when I have 
been told my furkids aren't going to make it and I wouldn't give up and 
they lived years longer ... that is why I have to keep trying.  I know 
not everyone is of the same mind and that is fine because we all have 
our beliefs but when I see animals miss a chance because of a vet that 
isn't very knowledgeable about something it just kills me.


I sorry for your loss Amy, Maverick is in a better place now.  Take care ...

PS.  I'm mad at the lack of care Maverick received from the 
professionals not at anything you did, just wanted to make that clear.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Amy, I'm so sorry you lost Maverick, but I'm glad his crossing was peaceful.
Gentlest of Bridge vibes to him, and hugs to you. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


His name is Maverick. 

He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had
enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing.

Amy

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name?
 Please keep us posted.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and she said that 
 means it was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his belly 
 today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his 
 belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons 
 cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going 
 on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the 
 same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We do full blood workups every 6 
 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to 
 bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly.  I 
 expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with 
 hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.
 This guy is fading,
 though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm just trying to 
 decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just 
 let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have no 
 doubt that the  leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(
 
 He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been 
 able to shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other cats 
 I've treated have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers actually 
 got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have 
 the means to cope with fighting it off.
 
 Amy
 
 
    I would be real concerned with
  clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does
 when it
  gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have heard that cats 
  shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
 find
  the palce I read it.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


His name is Maverick. 

He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had
enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing.

Amy

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name?
 Please keep us posted.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and she said that 
 means it was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his belly 
 today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his 
 belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons 
 cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going 
 on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the 
 same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We do full blood workups every 6 
 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to 
 bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly.  I 
 expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with 
 hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.
 This guy is fading,
 though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm just trying to 
 decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just 
 let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have no 
 doubt that the  leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(
 
 He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been 
 able to shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other cats 
 I've treated have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers actually 
 got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have 
 the means to cope with fighting it off.
 
 Amy
 
 
    I would be real concerned with
  clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does
 when it
  gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have heard that cats 
  shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
 find
  the palce I read it.
  
  --
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Debbie Harrison

Amy, I am so sorryI have stayed on the sidelines during this because I knew 
others were far more knowledgeable...Godspeed, little Maverickyou were 
loved, and touched many lives.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:09:08 -0700
 From: awilkin...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 His name is Maverick. 
 
 He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had 
 enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing.
 
 Amy
 
 --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM
  Poor guy. What is his name? 
  Please keep us posted.
  Laurie
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Amy
  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  
  
  Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and
  she said that means it
  was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his
  belly today if we want
  but she said she felt while we were there and his belly
  felt fine.  I read,
  and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat
  litter is because of
  anemia and we already know that's going on.  I've lost
  the majority of my
  leuk positives over the years the same way.  Either
  anemisa or tumors.  We
  do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye
  on anemia but
  I've never been able to bring one back yet once the
  hematocrit starts
  dropping quickly.  I expected him to live longer
  because I've lost most of
  my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. 
  This guy is fading,
  though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm
  just trying to decide if
  I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just
  let him go
  peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have
  no doubt that the
  leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(  
  
  He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has
  not been able to
  shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other
  cats I've treated
  have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers
  actually got worse after
  treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the
  means to cope with
  fighting it off.
  
  Amy
  
  
 I would be real concerned with
   clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does
  when it
   gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have
   heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
  find
   the palce I read it.
   
   -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Thanks for letting us know. God speed little Maverick. May you find
butterflies who need chasing and a cloud for a nap.
Amy, thank-you for loving him and caring for him. 
At least he knew love and plentiful food and a roof over his head.
Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


His name is Maverick. 

He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had
enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing.

Amy

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM
 Poor guy. What is his name? 
 Please keep us posted.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and
 she said that means it
 was recently ingested.  She said we can look at his
 belly today if we want
 but she said she felt while we were there and his belly
 felt fine.  I read,
 and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat
 litter is because of
 anemia and we already know that's going on.  I've lost
 the majority of my
 leuk positives over the years the same way.  Either
 anemisa or tumors.  We
 do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye
 on anemia but
 I've never been able to bring one back yet once the
 hematocrit starts
 dropping quickly.  I expected him to live longer
 because I've lost most of
 my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. 
 This guy is fading,
 though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm
 just trying to decide if
 I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just
 let him go
 peacefully without disturbing him any further.  I have
 no doubt that the
  leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :(  
 
 He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has
 not been able to
 shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because any other
 cats I've treated
 have responded quite well.  This guy's numbers
 actually got worse after
 treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the
 means to cope with
 fighting it off.
 
 Amy
 
 
    I would be real concerned with
  clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does
 when it
  gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I have
  heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
 find
  the palce I read it.
  
  -- 
  Belinda
  happiness is being owned by cats ...
  
  http://bemikitties.com
  
  http://BelindaSauro.com
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Sharyl

Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick.  We love them. care 
for them and in the end let them go.
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 His name is Maverick. 
 
 He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us
 know he's had
 enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a
 peaceful passing.
 
 Amy
 
 --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What
 is his name?
  Please keep us posted.
  Laurie
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Amy
  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  
  
  Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it up and
 she said that 
  means it was recently ingested.  She said we can look
 at his belly 
  today if we want but she said she felt while we were
 there and his 
  belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she, that one of
 the main reasons 
  cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already
 know that's going 
  on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over
 the years the 
  same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We do full
 blood workups every 6 
  months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never
 been able to 
  bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping
 quickly.  I 
  expected him to live longer because I've lost most of
 my guys with 
  hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.
  This guy is fading,
  though, and I think he's probably had enough.  I'm
 just trying to 
  decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if
 I want to just 
  let him go peacefully without disturbing him any
 further.  I have no 
  doubt that the  leukemia has just taken it's toll
 on him :(
  
  He also has Bartonella and despite numerous
 treatments, has not been 
  able to shake it.  We couldn't figure it out because
 any other cats 
  I've treated have responded quite well.  This guy's
 numbers actually 
  got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body
 just doesn't have 
  the means to cope with fighting it off.
  
  Amy
  
  
     I would be real concerned with
   clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it
 does
  when it
   gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I
 have heard that cats 
   shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
  find
   the palce I read it.
   
   --
   Belinda
   happiness is being owned by cats ...
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy

Hi Belinda,

Thanks for writing.  I totally understand how you feel and just wanted to 
respond.  My vet has worked with my leuk positives for several years now and is 
amazing.  I've spent years working at different veterinary offices and I do 
know how lousy some of them are.  I also know how cold and heartless some of 
them can be when it comes to caring for our babies.  Lucky for me, that is not 
my vet.  She takes amazing care of our kitties and I have all the confidence in 
the world in her.  They don't push me to do things just to make money but they 
also will stop at nothing to help my kitties when they need to.  I have spent 
so many thousands of dollars trying to help these guys.  We've done chemo, 
we've done ultrasounds, steroids, antibiotics, fluids, etc., the list goes on 
and on.  I have always tried to save my babies in the past, sparing no expense 
and doing everything possible.  The problem is, in my experience, I always lose 
them to the leukemia eventually. 
 Then sometimes I feel bad that I put them through those last couple weeks or 
days and wonder if they suffered.  It's a personal decision and one everybody 
must make but Maverick was miserable and for us we just knew when we found him 
sleeping in the bathtub and not wanting to be bothered anymore.  

I am listening to everything you have said and I will ask my vet about these 
things because more knowledge is always a wonderful thing.  She always goes and 
does research on anything unusual we come across and I always do the same.  She 
spends hours with my cats and hours on the phone with me.  With this cat, 
things came on very quickly.  I'm still left with unanswered questions because 
I wasn't expecting this and I didn't see it coming.  However, I do know there 
weren't any signs of liver failure two days ago when we saw the bloodwork, both 
chem panel and CBC.  As far as food goes, she told me he needed to eat.  She 
gave me tons of ideas for trying to get him to eat and I asked about force 
feeding.  He couldn't keep anything I gave him down.  He just kept throwing it 
up.  My only other choice would have been to hospitalize him and try bringing 
him back but he's just not that type of cat.  Way too much attitude, spirit, 
and personality to handle that. 
 Hard to explain but totally not an option for this guy.  

I'll always wonder if I did everything I could for him but I have to trust that 
I did.  These cats mean the world to me and this one was actually rescued by my 
vet.  He started coming around her barn and she brought him in to neuter him.  
He tested positive and she called me.  We've all been very attached to him ever 
since so she had as much interest in saving him as I did :(

Thanks again for all the info and I will make it a point to read and learn even 
more about this disease.  I owe it to Maverick and I just hope I didn't let him 
down or fail him in any way.

Amy

      Amy,
   I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a
 sure sign of liver failure and it doesn't happen
 overnight.  Blood tests should have shown there was a
 problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find
 another vet.
 
 If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed
 hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease, this can happen
 after only a day or two of an cat not eating enough. 
 Even if a cat is eating but very little this can happen,
 this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in
 other words food is the cure, no cat should die from
 this.  Too many vets don't pay attention when we tell
 them our cats aren't eating very much or at all, this should
 be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate further but so
 few do.
 
 I am writing this email because too few people understand
 just how deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can
 kill them quickly.  That on top of the anemia was just
 too much for Maverick's compromised body to deal with. 
 Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client know
 they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough
 isn't worth anything in my book.
 
 Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe
 feed, spoon feed, put food on your finger and put it in
 their mouths, get a feeding tube put in ... fatty liver
 disease is almost always curable even when a cat looks like
 it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost always
 bring the cat back 
 
 Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is
 letting you know it is ready to die, this is not always the
 case, think about it, when you are feeling very sick do you
 feel like eating, I know I don't.  And with a cat, they
 feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get weaker
 and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't
 going to eat.  This cycle is going to obviously kill
 the cat if there is no intervention.  I will never
 understand why this is so hard to fathom.
 
 All that said this is my own personal opinion and up front
 I am one of those people who 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy

All,

Thank you to everybody that has responded.  This passing has been extremely sad 
for us.  They all are.  No matter how many times I see this disease take one 
away, it never gets any easier.  This guy came to me so sick.  He was full of 
worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes.  I honestly didn't think he'd 
make it a year.  He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a 
character, such a presence.  We miss him deeply already and the house is not 
the same.  It is just empty in a way I can't express.  It helps to hear from 
all of you that can understand because you've been there.

Amy

 Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for
 Maverick.  We love them. care for them and in the end
 let them go.
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM
   
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Amy
  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  
  
  His name is Maverick. 
  
  He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has
 let us
  know he's had
  enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a
  peaceful passing.
  
  Amy
  
  --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy.
 What
  is his name?
   Please keep us posted.
   Laurie
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Amy
   Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   
   
   Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it
 up and
  she said that 
   means it was recently ingested.  She said we can
 look
  at his belly 
   today if we want but she said she felt while we
 were
  there and his 
   belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she, that
 one of
  the main reasons 
   cats eat litter is because of anemia and we
 already
  know that's going 
   on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk positives
 over
  the years the 
   same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We do
 full
  blood workups every 6 
   months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've
 never
  been able to 
   bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts
 dropping
  quickly.  I 
   expected him to live longer because I've lost
 most of
  my guys with 
   hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.
   This guy is fading,
   though, and I think he's probably had enough. 
 I'm
  just trying to 
   decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs
 or if
  I want to just 
   let him go peacefully without disturbing him any
  further.  I have no 
   doubt that the  leukemia has just taken it's
 toll
  on him :(
   
   He also has Bartonella and despite numerous
  treatments, has not been 
   able to shake it.  We couldn't figure it out
 because
  any other cats 
   I've treated have responded quite well.  This
 guy's
  numbers actually 
   got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his
 body
  just doesn't have 
   the means to cope with fighting it off.
   
   Amy
   
   
  I would be real concerned with
clumping litter if he ate any, you know what
 it
  does
   when it
gets wet.  Does the vet know about that? 
 I
  have heard that cats 
shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
   find
the palce I read it.

--
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

http://bemikitties.com

http://BelindaSauro.com


   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Amy, what color was Maverick? I picture him as black and white...and want to
get the right picture of him in my mind.
He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful!
How long did you have Maverick? 
Take care and let your other kitties comfort you.
Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to 22 and another
(Stripes) live to 16.
L

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


All,

Thank you to everybody that has responded.  This passing has been extremely
sad for us.  They all are.  No matter how many times I see this disease take
one away, it never gets any easier.  This guy came to me so sick.  He was
full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes.  I honestly didn't
think he'd make it a year.  He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he
was such a character, such a presence.  We miss him deeply already and the
house is not the same.  It is just empty in a way I can't express.  It helps
to hear from all of you that can understand because you've been there.

Amy

 Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for
 Maverick.  We love them. care for them and in the end
 let them go.
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM
   
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Amy
  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  
  
  His name is Maverick. 
  
  He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has
 let us
  know he's had
  enough.  We just returned from the vet and he had a
  peaceful passing.
  
  Amy
  
  --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy.
 What
  is his name?
   Please keep us posted.
   Laurie
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Amy
   Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   
   
   Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw it
 up and
  she said that 
   means it was recently ingested.  She said we can
 look
  at his belly 
   today if we want but she said she felt while we
 were
  there and his 
   belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she, that
 one of
  the main reasons 
   cats eat litter is because of anemia and we
 already
  know that's going 
   on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk positives
 over
  the years the 
   same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We do
 full
  blood workups every 6 
   months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've
 never
  been able to 
   bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts
 dropping
  quickly.  I 
   expected him to live longer because I've lost
 most of
  my guys with 
   hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.
   This guy is fading,
   though, and I think he's probably had enough. 
 I'm
  just trying to 
   decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs
 or if
  I want to just 
   let him go peacefully without disturbing him any
  further.  I have no 
   doubt that the  leukemia has just taken it's
 toll
  on him :(
   
   He also has Bartonella and despite numerous
  treatments, has not been 
   able to shake it.  We couldn't figure it out
 because
  any other cats 
   I've treated have responded quite well.  This
 guy's
  numbers actually 
   got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his
 body
  just doesn't have 
   the means to cope with fighting it off.
   
   Amy
   
   
  I would be real concerned with
clumping litter if he ate any, you know what
 it
  does
   when it
gets wet.  Does the vet know about that? 
 I
  have heard that cats 
shouldn't get tums, will see if I can
   find
the palce I read it.

--
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

http://bemikitties.com

http://BelindaSauro.com


   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Amy

He was white with a few orange spots and an orange tail.  When we got him, he 
was so run down.  Within no time at all, I thought he was the coolest looking 
cat I ever saw.  He was all personality.  He's the one that would stick his 
paws out from under the chair or couch to get me as I walked by.  He loved life 
and would sit in the windows and make all sorts of crazy noises at my birds and 
squirrels, ones I've never heard a cat make. 

He was really one of a kind.  I'll never forget how much he touched our lives.  
I got him the minute I returned home from my honeymoon in August of 05.  I took 
one cat (possibly his sister or relative) with FIV right before we left and 
when I got home from my honeymoon, there was a message that he was waiting to 
see if I would give him a home.  My husband let me make a special allowance for 
him (I had promised to keep my number to five since we spend so much money on 
them) and take him as my 6th cat for an early birthday present.   

I've rescued several leuk positive and for us the ones that got it as kittens 
never seemed to do as well in the long run.  I have 5 (til today) and this is 
the longest stretch we've ever had without losing one.  We were hoping maybe 
all these cats got leukemia as adults and would be around for a long time.  
Maverick was way too young, probably only 4 or 5 years old :(  

Thanks for thinking about us.

Amy

 Amy, what color was Maverick? I
 picture him as black and white...and want to
 get the right picture of him in my mind.
 He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful!
 How long did you have Maverick? 
 Take care and let your other kitties comfort you.
 Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to
 22 and another
 (Stripes) live to 16.
 L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 All,
 
 Thank you to everybody that has responded.  This
 passing has been extremely
 sad for us.  They all are.  No matter how many
 times I see this disease take
 one away, it never gets any easier.  This guy came to
 me so sick.  He was
 full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his
 eyes.  I honestly didn't
 think he'd make it a year.  He totally thrived and
 proved me wrong and he
 was such a character, such a presence.  We miss him
 deeply already and the
 house is not the same.  It is just empty in a way I
 can't express.  It helps
 to hear from all of you that can understand because you've
 been there.
 
 Amy
 
  Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for
  Maverick.  We love them. care for them and in the
 end
  let them go.
  Sharyl
  
  --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM
    
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Amy
   Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   
   
   His name is Maverick. 
   
   He woke up this morning with a yellow color and
 has
  let us
   know he's had
   enough.  We just returned from the vet and he
 had a
   peaceful passing.
   
   Amy
   
   --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   wrote:
   
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor
 guy.
  What
   is his name?
Please keep us posted.
Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw
 it
  up and
   she said that 
means it was recently ingested.  She said
 we can
  look
   at his belly 
today if we want but she said she felt while
 we
  were
   there and his 
belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she,
 that
  one of
   the main reasons 
cats eat litter is because of anemia and we
  already
   know that's going 
on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk
 positives
  over
   the years the 
same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We
 do
  full
   blood workups every 6 
months to try to keep an eye on anemia but
 I've
  never
   been able to 
bring one back yet once the hematocrit
 starts
  dropping
   quickly.  I 
expected him to live longer because I've
 lost
  most of
   my guys with 
hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23.
This guy is fading,
though, and I think he's

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Thanks for telling us Maverick's story.  He sounds like a cool little guy.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


He was white with a few orange spots and an orange tail.  When we got him,
he was so run down.  Within no time at all, I thought he was the coolest
looking cat I ever saw.  He was all personality.  He's the one that would
stick his paws out from under the chair or couch to get me as I walked by.
He loved life and would sit in the windows and make all sorts of crazy
noises at my birds and squirrels, ones I've never heard a cat make. 

He was really one of a kind.  I'll never forget how much he touched our
lives.  I got him the minute I returned home from my honeymoon in August of
05.  I took one cat (possibly his sister or relative) with FIV right before
we left and when I got home from my honeymoon, there was a message that he
was waiting to see if I would give him a home.  My husband let me make a
special allowance for him (I had promised to keep my number to five since we
spend so much money on them) and take him as my 6th cat for an early
birthday present.   

I've rescued several leuk positive and for us the ones that got it as
kittens never seemed to do as well in the long run.  I have 5 (til today)
and this is the longest stretch we've ever had without losing one.  We were
hoping maybe all these cats got leukemia as adults and would be around for a
long time.  Maverick was way too young, probably only 4 or 5 years old :(  

Thanks for thinking about us.

Amy

 Amy, what color was Maverick? I
 picture him as black and white...and want to get the right picture of 
 him in my mind.
 He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful!
 How long did you have Maverick? 
 Take care and let your other kitties comfort you.
 Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to
 22 and another
 (Stripes) live to 16.
 L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
 All,
 
 Thank you to everybody that has responded.  This passing has been 
 extremely sad for us.  They all are.  No matter how many times I see 
 this disease take one away, it never gets any easier.  This guy came 
 to me so sick.  He was full of worms and stuff bursting out from under 
 his eyes.  I honestly didn't think he'd make it a year.  He totally 
 thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a character, such a 
 presence.  We miss him deeply already and the house is not the same.  
 It is just empty in a way I can't express.  It helps to hear from all 
 of you that can understand because you've been there.
 
 Amy
 
  Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for
  Maverick.  We love them. care for them and in the
 end
  let them go.
  Sharyl
  
  --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM
    
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Amy
   Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   
   
   His name is Maverick. 
   
   He woke up this morning with a yellow color and
 has
  let us
   know he's had
   enough.  We just returned from the vet and he
 had a
   peaceful passing.
   
   Amy
   
   --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   wrote:
   
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor
 guy.
  What
   is his name?
Please keep us posted.
Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


Yeah, the vet does know about it.  He threw
 it
  up and
   she said that 
means it was recently ingested.  She said
 we can
  look
   at his belly 
today if we want but she said she felt while
 we
  were
   there and his 
belly felt fine.  I read, and so did she,
 that
  one of
   the main reasons 
cats eat litter is because of anemia and we
  already
   know that's going 
on.  I've lost the majority of my leuk
 positives
  over
   the years the 
same way.  Either anemisa or tumors.  We
 do
  full
   blood workups every 6 
months to try

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Frank and Sue Koren
Amy, I am so sorry about your Maverick.   He sounds like he was a wonderful 
kitty.  The things you say about him remind me so much of one of my 
positives, Tweezer.  He was also in horrible shape when we got him and has 
quite the personality now. You are so lucky to have such a sympathetic vet. 
These kitties are so often too young when we lose them.  Last November I 
lost my Buzzy and he was only two.  There have been so many wonderful cats 
that people on this list have lost in the last few weeks and every one takes 
a piece of my heart.  Some of them beat the odds, though.  My oldest 
positive is 11, and at the shelter where I volunteer there is a sweet 21 
year old boy named Alex who lives in our positive room.
It sounds like you do so much for your kitties.  I hope you do not lose any 
more for a very, very long time.  Hugs to you and a pleasent journey to the 
bridge for Maverick.


- Original Message - 
From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing



He was white with a few orange spots and an orange tail.  When we got him, 
he was so run down.  Within no time at all, I thought he was the coolest 
looking cat I ever saw.  He was all personality.  He's the one that would 
stick his paws out from under the chair or couch to get me as I walked by. 
He loved life and would sit in the windows and make all sorts of crazy 
noises at my birds and squirrels, ones I've never heard a cat make.


He was really one of a kind.  I'll never forget how much he touched our 
lives.  I got him the minute I returned home from my honeymoon in August of 
05.  I took one cat (possibly his sister or relative) with FIV right before 
we left and when I got home from my honeymoon, there was a message that he 
was waiting to see if I would give him a home.  My husband let me make a 
special allowance for him (I had promised to keep my number to five since we 
spend so much money on them) and take him as my 6th cat for an early 
birthday present.


I've rescued several leuk positive and for us the ones that got it as 
kittens never seemed to do as well in the long run.  I have 5 (til today) 
and this is the longest stretch we've ever had without losing one.  We were 
hoping maybe all these cats got leukemia as adults and would be around for a 
long time.  Maverick was way too young, probably only 4 or 5 years old :(


Thanks for thinking about us.

Amy


Amy, what color was Maverick? I
picture him as black and white...and want to
get the right picture of him in my mind.
He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful!
How long did you have Maverick?
Take care and let your other kitties comfort you.
Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to
22 and another
(Stripes) live to 16.
L

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


All,

Thank you to everybody that has responded. This
passing has been extremely
sad for us. They all are. No matter how many
times I see this disease take
one away, it never gets any easier. This guy came to
me so sick. He was
full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his
eyes. I honestly didn't
think he'd make it a year. He totally thrived and
proved me wrong and he
was such a character, such a presence. We miss him
deeply already and the
house is not the same. It is just empty in a way I
can't express. It helps
to hear from all of you that can understand because you've
been there.

Amy

 Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for
 Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the
end
 let them go.
 Sharyl

 --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 wrote:

  From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Amy
  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 
 
  His name is Maverick.
 
  He woke up this morning with a yellow color and
has
 let us
  know he's had
  enough. We just returned from the vet and he
had a
  peaceful passing.
 
  Amy
 
  --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  wrote:
 
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor
guy.
 What
  is his name?
   Please keep us posted.
   Laurie
  
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   Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM
   To: felvtalk

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-17 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Amy,
 It does sound like your vet is very nice and compassionate.  And any 
vet that is willing to learn and research is a keeper.  When a cat is 
anemic whether they are positive or not, there is a reason for it.  
Anemia in itself is not a disease, it is a symptom if something else 
going on and that something needs to be found and treated.


When Bailey was anemic, blood work didn't give us any answers, it only 
told us he was anemic but not why so we did a bone marrow aspirate, this 
gave us a little more to go on.  His anemia was non regenerative and 
there was evidence of neoplastic cells, pre-cancerous cells.  We did 
every imaginable test to try and find cancer if there was any, it wasn't 
a definite for sure he had cancer but there was a chance he might have 
cancer.  None of the test, ultrasound, xrays, blood work, nothing showed 
us any cancer anywhere.


We reversed the anemia with epogen, prednisolone and he was on the doxy 
just in case and he tested negative 5 times for hemo but I still wanted 
him on doxy.  So I don't know which drug or combination of drugs fixed 
the anemia but he was on the epogen for the 5 months longer that he lived.


He died 5 days after he turned 11 years old and an autopsy showed he had 
pancreatic cancer.  I had questioned my vet about pancreatitis because 
Bailey had a feeding tube (even after we fixed the anemia he wouldn't 
eat a bite on his own), and he would act uncomfortable sometimes when I 
fed him so I wondered if he had pancreatitis, my vet said she didn't 
think so because his blood work didn't show it, his glucose and amylease 
were normal, but that doesn't mean anything they may or may not be 
elevated with pancreatitis.  He also had chronic diarrhea for the 5 
months.  I wish I had told my vet to do the specific test for 
pancreatitis but I didn't ... something I will regret forever too.


Pancreatic cancer from what I understand is not one that responds well 
to chemo but I never even got the chance to try so I know exactly what 
you mean about feeling guilty.  But I have learned from that and 
whenever I hear someone say epogen will *not* help a cat that has non 
regenerative anemia, I KNOW that is not true and I will say it until I 
am blue in the face.


I've lost 5 positives over 14 years, my youngest was 5 so I was pretty 
lucky I didn't lose any real young ones, Bailey was my oldest and yes it 
happens so quickly, one day he was a very happy little chubby boy and 
then all of a sudden it seemed he was losing weight and very sick.


I don't have any positives now, but all my guys are getting older, Fred, 
18 has kidney disease for the last 3 years and is getting weaker, but he 
is still happy and gets waited in hand and foot, he only leaves his bed 
to go potty, his food, water, everything is right there for him.  He 
gets up and comes over to sit on me several times a day and smooch, 
other than that he sleeps.  Some would say he doesn't have much of a 
life but he is happy and does what he wants, as little or as much.  
Joey, 14 has kidney issues and heart issues, he loses a little more 
weight every year and has slowed down some.  He sleeps more and hates 
getting his fluids every other day.  He is my heart baby and I can't 
even bring myself to think of him not being here.  Shelbee 15, just had 
surgery for a huge mass taking up almost all of the room in her body, it 
is a benign biliary adenoma and her whole liver is involved so there was 
nothing they could do, yet her blood work for her liver and kidneys is 
perfect (she also has a mass on her kidney, not cancerous, probably had 
that all her life).  She came through the surgery with flying colors and 
my animal communicator said she feels strong and good.  Hopefully the 
tumor will grow very slowly and she will be with me many, many more 
years.  My other two are as far as I know are only overweight, one a 
little, one a lot.


No bet knows everything including mine, whom I also love, she isn't 
there anymore and I have not found anyone that I like even half as much 
as her.


I know you did your best by Maverick and so does he, one thing about 
animals they love us unconditionally and all they want in return is out 
love, with that they are happy.  We can only do our best and you did and 
that is all we can do.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Laurieskatz
I am sorry to hear about your kitty. Glad you are here. I am sure you know
he must eat. Mackerel, Fancy Feast canned foods (gourmet salmon and shrimp
works here), dry EVO, Kentucky fried chicken, canned Friskies, Whiska
packets with cheese, Weruva paw lickin chicken, fresh tilapia or salmon
(cooked), Solid gold canned tuna, canned or dry Wellness CORE, Wellness
canned turkey and salmon. When mine won't eat, I start mixing AD or maximum
calorie with warm water and syringe feeding. Check out feline assisted
feeding (FAF) yahoo group for more food ideas.
In a rush. Sorry so short. Prayers for you and kitty.
Laurie  

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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing


Hey all,

I haven't posted to the list in a long time.  We've had a pretty good run
with all our leuk positives but I have one that seems to be going downhill
pretty quickly.  We took him to the vet yesterday.  His hematocrit is lower
than usual (23%) and his Na, Ca, and Phos levels are off.  He also had a
temp.  They gave him prednisone and antibiotics and some fluids.  He won't
eat and is very lethargic.  He also hasn't used the litter box today.  I've
tried tuna, baby food, etc.  If anybody has any advice or things to try that
I haven't thought of, I'd love to hear it.

Amy


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Belinda Sauro
   Are his Phosphorus levels high or low?  High can cause tummy acid 
and they won't eat.  A quarter of a pepcid AC might help with that.  Was 
kitty checked for dehydration?  That makes them feel really crappy and 
they won't eat.  What is kitties white count could kitty be fighting an 
infection?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Amy

Not sure if the phosphorus was high or low but they recommended getting tums 
today and giving him some of that because his calcium was low.  He was given 
fluids at the vet yesterday for dehydration but they didn't think they needed 
to send me with fluids.  I noticed today he is eating litter.  I read it can be 
a sign of anemia or a mineral deficiency.  Now I'm worried he's bound up from 
that.  I went and switched to Yesterday's News but I'm sure he ate some 
clumping litter.  I tried syringe feeding him and he threw it up.  I think his 
white count is about where it always is.  We do bloodwork every 6 months and 
she compared it.  His hematocrit was about half his normal but I think WBCs 
were ok.

Amy


 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:54 PM
    Are his Phosphorus
 levels high or low?  High can cause tummy acid and they
 won't eat.  A quarter of a pepcid AC might help with
 that.  Was kitty checked for dehydration?  That
 makes them feel really crappy and they won't eat.  What
 is kitties white count could kitty be fighting an
 infection?
 
 -- 
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 http://bemikitties.com
 
 http://BelindaSauro.com
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Belinda Sauro
  I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you 
know what it does when it gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I 
have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the 
palce I read it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Belinda Sauro

Ok, I just read on Tanya CRF site that TUMS was ok for cats.

http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#low_calcium

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Laurieskatz
Me, too about the cat litter. That could explain the vomiting. If he is
vomiting and not having stools, it can mean the kitty is blocked and needs
to be seen asap. They had my Lucy swallow some pills and then xrayed her
stomach each couple hours to make sure they moved into the intestines. They
did.

I have never heard of using tums with cats. I know that I got kidney stones
from eating tums and taking a calcium pill at bed time (without food).
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

   I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you 
know what it does when it gets wet.  Does the vet know about that?  I 
have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the 
palce I read it.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing

2009-06-16 Thread Laurieskatz
Good!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:28 PM
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Ok, I just read on Tanya CRF site that TUMS was ok for cats.

http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#low_calcium

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