Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-14 Thread Margo


I'd sure prefer a diagnosis of lumphoma as opposed to FIP. Lymphoma is 
treatable, and can be survivable.

Margo


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From: dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Aug 13, 2013 9:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

Hope it isn't Lyphoma, I had non-Hodkins and it is no fun.

 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphoma_in_animals
 
 It is a very aggressive cancer but a very curable one, if it is this 
 treatment would need to be started immediately.  I know of many cats 
 that have gone into remission, some for many years only to die years 
 late of something else.  It is generally a young cat cancer and like I 
 said can be put into remission quickly but must be treated quickly.
 
 I am on a feline lymphoma list if you are interested in learning more, 
 we actually have a vet on the list who is very helpful.  You can join 
 the list here is you would like to check into it:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
 
 I will say a prayer for you Charles I hope it is something that is 
 treatable.
 
 
 On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote:
  Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much 
  tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, 
  stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped 
  off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was.
  But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the 
  fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart 
  condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.
 
  Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell 
  you what is going on.
 
  Beth
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-14 Thread Margo


Sorry. LYmphoma. Not lUmphoma...


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From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
Sent: Aug 14, 2013 7:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I'd sure prefer a diagnosis of lumphoma as opposed to FIP. Lymphoma is 
treatable, and can be survivable.

Margo


-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Aug 13, 2013 9:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

Hope it isn't Lyphoma, I had non-Hodkins and it is no fun.

 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphoma_in_animals
 
 It is a very aggressive cancer but a very curable one, if it is this 
 treatment would need to be started immediately.  I know of many cats 
 that have gone into remission, some for many years only to die years 
 late of something else.  It is generally a young cat cancer and like I 
 said can be put into remission quickly but must be treated quickly.
 
 I am on a feline lymphoma list if you are interested in learning more, 
 we actually have a vet on the list who is very helpful.  You can join 
 the list here is you would like to check into it:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
 
 I will say a prayer for you Charles I hope it is something that is 
 treatable.
 
 
 On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote:
  Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much 
  tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, 
  stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped 
  off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was.
  But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the 
  fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart 
  condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.
 
  Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell 
  you what is going on.
 
  Beth
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-13 Thread Beth
Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much tell just 
by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, stringy, yellow fluid. 
I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped off one of my cats I knew 
exactly what it was.
But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the fluid 
seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart condition, but that 
is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.

Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell you what 
is going on.

Beth


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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
 


There is really no definitive lab test for FIP and most cats can come up with a 
high titer for the corona virus without showing any symptoms while others have 
a lot titer and may actually have the mutated form of the virus. It's a very 
aggravating disease because it keeps playing hide and seek.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-13 Thread Belinda Sauro

 Has he been checked for Mediastinal Lymphoma?



On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote:
Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much 
tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, 
stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped 
off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was.
But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the 
fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart 
condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.


Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell 
you what is going on.


Beth



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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-13 Thread Belinda Sauro

http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphoma_in_animals

It is a very aggressive cancer but a very curable one, if it is this 
treatment would need to be started immediately.  I know of many cats 
that have gone into remission, some for many years only to die years 
late of something else.  It is generally a young cat cancer and like I 
said can be put into remission quickly but must be treated quickly.


I am on a feline lymphoma list if you are interested in learning more, 
we actually have a vet on the list who is very helpful.  You can join 
the list here is you would like to check into it:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/

I will say a prayer for you Charles I hope it is something that is 
treatable.



On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote:
Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much 
tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, 
stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped 
off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was.
But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the 
fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart 
condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.


Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell 
you what is going on.


Beth



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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-13 Thread Belinda Sauro

Here is our website where you can also get info:

http://felinelymphoma.org/cms/

(one of these days I will get it completely finished :) )



On 8/13/2013 11:49 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote:

Has he been checked for Mediastinal Lymphoma?



On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote:
Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much 
tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, 
stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it 
tapped off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was.
But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the 
fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart 
condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.


Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell 
you what is going on.


Beth



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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles

2013-08-13 Thread dlgegg
Hope it isn't Lyphoma, I had non-Hodkins and it is no fun.

 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphoma_in_animals
 
 It is a very aggressive cancer but a very curable one, if it is this 
 treatment would need to be started immediately.  I know of many cats 
 that have gone into remission, some for many years only to die years 
 late of something else.  It is generally a young cat cancer and like I 
 said can be put into remission quickly but must be treated quickly.
 
 I am on a feline lymphoma list if you are interested in learning more, 
 we actually have a vet on the list who is very helpful.  You can join 
 the list here is you would like to check into it:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
 
 I will say a prayer for you Charles I hope it is something that is 
 treatable.
 
 
 On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote:
  Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much 
  tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, 
  stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped 
  off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was.
  But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the 
  fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart 
  condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes.
 
  Glad he is feeling a bit better  hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell 
  you what is going on.
 
  Beth
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles fluid

2013-08-12 Thread Lorrie
Hi Marci,

Depending on his condition, meaning if this fluid is going 
to keep filling his lungs, you may have to continue using the
lasix for the rest of his life.  Your vet will know and meanwhile
keep a close eye on him.  I am so glad he is better for now.

Lorrie


On 08-12, Marci Greer wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his
breathing is a lot better, he is still slow walking and moving
around, I would say that is expected. We will do more x-rays when the
fluid is hopefully gone to see more, and blood work.  Does anyone have
any idea how long the fluid should take to get out? I guess it would
depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so slow and
grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide his
pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the
refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
 
Thanks
Marci, Allyn  Charles


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles fluid

2013-08-12 Thread dlgegg
I have been involved with Lil Bit lately, so may have missed something.  I am 
on a cancer group and am using the black salve on my leg to get rid of a 
Lymphoma and taking a tonic.  This stuff seems to cure just about everything.  
It is bitter, but many of the members swear by it.  Could be it could help 
Charles. I use a 3ml syringe and shoot it into he side of her mouth and then 
stroke her throat to make her swallow it.  If you would like, I could recommend 
you for membership.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Hi Marci,
 
 Depending on his condition, meaning if this fluid is going 
 to keep filling his lungs, you may have to continue using the
 lasix for the rest of his life.  Your vet will know and meanwhile
 keep a close eye on him.  I am so glad he is better for now.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 08-12, Marci Greer wrote:
  Hi everyone,
  
 Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his
 breathing is a lot better, he is still slow walking and moving
 around, I would say that is expected. We will do more x-rays when the
 fluid is hopefully gone to see more, and blood work.  Does anyone have
 any idea how long the fluid should take to get out? I guess it would
 depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so slow and
 grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide his
 pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the
 refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
  
 Thanks
 Marci, Allyn  Charles
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles fluid

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
It's called Neoplasene for cancer. It does work some of the time but it did not 
work on Puss-Puss because her cancer was too advanced I think. She had a tumor 
that was coming from her hock bone. She didn't seem to mind the liquid though. 
My friend actually tasted a bit of it to see if it was horrendous but it 
wasn't. Her cat had an ear tumor but eventually died in spite of the 
Neoplasene. But it's probably good for squamous cell carcinoma on the surface 
of the skin.


 
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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles  fluid
 

I have been involved with Lil Bit lately, so may have missed something.  I am 
on a cancer group and am using the black salve on my leg to get rid of a 
Lymphoma and taking a tonic.  This stuff seems to cure just about everything.  
It is bitter, but many of the members swear by it.  Could be it could help 
Charles. I use a 3ml syringe and shoot it into he side of her mouth and then 
stroke her throat to make her swallow it.  If you would like, I could 
recommend you for membership.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Hi Marci,
 
 Depending on his condition, meaning if this fluid is going 
 to keep filling his lungs, you may have to continue using the
 lasix for the rest of his life.  Your vet will know and meanwhile
 keep a close eye on him.  I am so glad he is better for now.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 08-12, Marci Greer wrote:
      Hi everyone,
  
     Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his
     breathing is a lot better, he is still slow walking and moving
     around, I would say that is expected. We will do more x-rays when the
     fluid is hopefully gone to see more, and blood work.  Does anyone have
     any idea how long the fluid should take to get out? I guess it would
     depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so slow and
     grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide his
     pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the
     refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
  
     Thanks
     Marci, Allyn  Charles
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles fluid

2013-08-12 Thread dlgegg
has chapperal and neem in it, are you sure it is th same?  Also this does not 
go by that name.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It's called Neoplasene for cancer. It does work some of the time but it did 
 not work on Puss-Puss because her cancer was too advanced I think. She had a 
 tumor that was coming from her hock bone. She didn't seem to mind the liquid 
 though. My friend actually tasted a bit of it to see if it was horrendous but 
 it wasn't. Her cat had an ear tumor but eventually died in spite of the 
 Neoplasene. But it's probably good for squamous cell carcinoma on the surface 
 of the skin.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles  fluid
 

I have been involved with Lil Bit lately, so may have missed something.  I am 
on a cancer group and am using the black salve on my leg to get rid of a 
Lymphoma and taking a tonic.  This stuff seems to cure just about everything.  
It is bitter, but many of the members swear by it.  Could be it could help 
Charles. I use a 3ml syringe and shoot it into he side of her mouth and then 
stroke her throat to make her swallow it.  If you would like, I could 
recommend you for membership.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Hi Marci,
 
 Depending on his condition, meaning if this fluid is going 
 to keep filling his lungs, you may have to continue using the
 lasix for the rest of his life.  Your vet will know and meanwhile
 keep a close eye on him.  I am so glad he is better for now.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 08-12, Marci Greer wrote:
      Hi everyone,
  
     Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his
     breathing is a lot better, he is still slow walking and moving
     around, I would say that is expected. We will do more x-rays when the
     fluid is hopefully gone to see more, and blood work.  Does anyone have
     any idea how long the fluid should take to get out? I guess it would
     depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so slow and
     grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide his
     pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the
     refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
  
     Thanks
     Marci, Allyn  Charles
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg

Yes Charles, they did run wild and breed.  They alwo werre killed by larger 
predators and often lived very short, unhealthy lives.  I have 7 just cats, 
not papered purebreds and I would never keep them in a cage.  they have the 
run of my house.  They go outside for a few hours in the day and yes, they are 
all neutered/spayed .  I do not consider myself a bonehead jerk as you call 
all of us, just someone who cares about animals as well as people.  I also have 
2 FELV positive cats in the house with my 5 negative cats.  All are up to date 
on their shots and very healthy.   Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com 
wrote: 
 Hello Kelley,
     Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone 
head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily 
for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs 
were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what 
give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is 
important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some 
greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.

Charles



 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for 
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on this 
list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and 
isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered him to some 
resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? 


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
damn about making money from her!!

Lorrie


On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
    This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
    by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
    any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
    you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
    you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
    in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
    without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
    have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
    more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
    to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
    as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
    feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
    needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
    tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
    her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
    or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
    I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
    you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
    stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
    gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
    purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
I am mostly judging him on his attitude and languageHe complains about 
Jennifer, what makes him think he is so different from her?
 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's idea of a 
 joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that 
 no one on this list would condone.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him 
 directly.
 I did suggest breed rescue.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
 animals you are going to get a lecture from me.
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Beth,
 
 Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
 expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
 list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over 
 the years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps 
 he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular 
 immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive.
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.
 
  *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going 
 to get a lecture. No apologies.
 
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man 
 for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I 
 doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure 
 how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have 
 steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead 
 of attacking him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed 
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a 
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is 
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As 
 for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be 
 adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and 
 won't give a damn about making money from her!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
   This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning 
 to
 learn
   by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
   any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You 
 state
 that
   you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that 
 the
 Bengal
   you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  
 you
 had
   in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely 
 not
 happy
   without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever 
 because he
 will
   have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he 
 is
 of no
   more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical 
 and
 want
   to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and 
 sell
 him
   as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living 
 being
 with
   feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little 
 female,
 she
   needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If 
 she
 still
   tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that 
 will
 take
   her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an 
 only
 cat
   or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
   I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I 
 assume
 that
   you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
   stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
   gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  
 people
 will
   purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
A lot of unwanted cats and dogs get dumped in the country, get hit by cars, 
killed by a coyote or a pack of dogs or shot by hunters who consider them good 
target practice.  Sometimes they are poisoned as vermin.  My 7 were headed for 
that fate, but someone found them and I ended up with them.  They are not fancy 
breeds, just cats, but the love and companonship they give makes the most 
valuable cats in the world.  Somehow, I don't get the feeling Charles has that 
same love for his Buddy and the poor unloved FELV female that he is so pissed 
off because he was ripped off.  Yes, I wold be upset at loosing the $300, but 
I would be even more angry and conserned about the little female and making up 
to her for the treatment she received before.  Guess that is why I will never 
be rich, I care moe about the life than the $$$.
 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail:
 
 This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to
 leave the group.
 
 I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke,
 as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a
 complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage,
 gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because
 we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that
 was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat,
 for what purpose? To sell the kittens.
 
 Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's
 where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't
 be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be
 living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy
 mill.  The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. 
 
 According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that
 dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered?  Where have you
 been living, Charles, in  cave? Try to understand what those who objected to
 your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and
 financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats.
 
 I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats
 and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old,
 begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane
 euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us
 operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country
 are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And
 those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for
 killing.  The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for
 themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we
 step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the
 saved cat, it's everything.
 
 Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was
 definitely not.
 Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either.
 
 Natalie - cat rescuer in CT
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love
 her.  Her life does not need to be cut short.  I have a FelV shelter and
 many of my positive cats live many years with the disease.  They have a home
 like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for
 them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away
 for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with
 no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote:
 Hello Kelley,
   Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are
 pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and
 he  get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about
 something  all  cat's  and  dogs were wild at one point and guess what
 they  didn't  get  fixed  in  the wild so what give with these idiots?
 Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here.
 A  beautiful  female  who's life will be cut short because some greedy
 idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.
 Charles
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
RIGHT ON EDNA.
 Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: 
 
 You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to 
 shelters and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I 
 just ask what effing planet are you from dude?  I have been involved in 
 rescue for over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we 
 have spent upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even 
 include the litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours 
 to bottle feed a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone 
 when I got her. THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me 
 where all this money is I am making?  How much do you sell your cats for?  
 Thousands?   So, yea SCR*W YOU!  YOU are the one breeding your cats for 
 profit, while I am the one picking up their broken little bodies off the 
 streets when people grow weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside.
  
 Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his 
 YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve 
 the problems HE creates.
 
 Off my soapbox now ;)
 Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor 
 
 
 
 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 
 
 Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, 
  shelter references. 
 I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the 
 shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. 
 
 Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals,  
 resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from 
 animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in 
 adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals 
 are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been 
 purebred cats  retired breeding cats.
 If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are 
 plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just 
 got one someone was looking to rehome.
 I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter  see what we go through for 
 these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too 
 bone-headed to spay  neuter.
 
  
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello Lorrie,
 
 
  I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
 beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is 
 left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment 
 about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that 
 for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with 
 their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than 
 lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know 
 who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message 
 from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on 
 this planet.
 
 
 Charles Adams
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
  idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
  kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.
 
 It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
 exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
 post thru rose colored glasses.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Lorrie
Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will
love her.  Her life does not need to be cut short.  I have a FelV
shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the
disease.  They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who
lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I
am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many
FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who
would love to have this female as a pet.

Lorrie

On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote:
Hello Kelley,
  Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are
pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and
he  get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about
something  all  cat's  and  dogs were wild at one point and guess what
they  didn't  get  fixed  in  the wild so what give with these idiots?
Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here.
A  beautiful  female  who's life will be cut short because some greedy
idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.
Charles

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Lorrie
Absolutely Beth Breeders will get a lecture from me too.  

Lorrie

On 05-28, Beth wrote:

 I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You
 breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Lorrie
On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread GRAS
To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail:

This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to
leave the group.

I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke,
as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a
complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage,
gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because
we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that
was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat,
for what purpose? To sell the kittens.

Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's
where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't
be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be
living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy
mill.  The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. 

According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that
dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered?  Where have you
been living, Charles, in  cave? Try to understand what those who objected to
your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and
financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats.

I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats
and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old,
begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane
euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us
operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country
are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And
those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for
killing.  The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for
themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we
step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the
saved cat, it's everything.

Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was
definitely not.
Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either.

Natalie - cat rescuer in CT


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love
her.  Her life does not need to be cut short.  I have a FelV shelter and
many of my positive cats live many years with the disease.  They have a home
like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for
them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away
for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with
no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet.

Lorrie

On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote:
Hello Kelley,
  Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are
pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and
he  get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about
something  all  cat's  and  dogs were wild at one point and guess what
they  didn't  get  fixed  in  the wild so what give with these idiots?
Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here.
A  beautiful  female  who's life will be cut short because some greedy
idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.
Charles

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Charles Adams
Hello Lorrie,

     I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.

Charles Adams



 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Terri Brown
I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't 
want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage.  That makes it 
sound like you don't care.  That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love 
him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from 
parasites.

I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been 
painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks.  We aren't jerks.  We just love 
cats.

Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are 
becoming less and less.  There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes 
being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat.  It 
all matters.  Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago.  
Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then.

All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ 
sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house.

I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where 
he can be with you.  He needs companionship too.

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=

  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Adamsmailto:texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats


  Hello Lorrie,


   I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.


  Charles Adams



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  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats


  On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

   I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
   idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
   kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

  It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
  exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
  post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Cindy McHugh
Regarding your statement, “I have all of these so called do good savior to the 
animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how 
long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her 
and then she would have to be re-homed again. “

If you’re not looking for someone to take this cat, could you be more specific 
in what help you’re seeking? I deleted the original message, but from what I 
remember, you stated that you did not want a pet cat and never did. Not 
surprisingly, some people would take this as meaning you’re looking to place 
this cat. You should always be cautious when turning an animal over to someone 
– anyone (I always check vet references at a minimum and usually do a home 
visit as well) – but if you have a legitimate rescue offer for this kitty, you 
should thank your lucky stars because it’s extremely hard to place a FeLV+ cat. 

I do rescue and I’m involved in Bengal rescue – and no, I do not want, nor can 
I accept this cat – but I receive requests weekly for people wanting help 
placing their purebred Bengals. So please do not automatically assume that just 
because this cat is a purebred Bengal that she will be sold for profit. I’ve 
worked with Bengal rescue for years and while most cats are adopted for $150, 
this barely covers their vetting (spay/neuter, testing, shots, etc).

I’m sorry if some people on this list have offended you, but please take a 
moment and read your post from our point of view. Those of us who do rescue are 
overwhelmed financially, physically, and emotionally by the sheer number of 
homeless animals. When we see someone intentionally trying to add to that 
population, it strikes a nerve. In my case, I’m living with a cat who was a 
“retired” breeder, kept in an outside cage and then locked in a basement for 3 
years by someone who couldn’t handle his behavior, but who didn’t want to take 
him to a shelter or pass him off on someone else. I love the cat and care for 
him as best I can, but it pains me to see his stress and anxiety. And it’s even 
more upsetting to know that he’s in this condition because someone used him 
(for breeding) and then threw him away.

In your original message, you state your cat lives in an outside cage and that 
you did not want a pet cat. This made it *sound* as though you really didn’t 
care about him other than to generate kittens/money. This may not be the case – 
and I hope it’s not. As your most recent post states, I hope your cat is loved 
as part of your family – and enjoys companionship and attention.

As for the FeLV+ cat, again, I’m really not sure what you’re looking for. 
Several people have offered you ideas and resources for placing her. If that’s 
not your objective, are you looking for health/care advice? I’m sure many 
people here would like to help the cat; we’re just not sure what kind of help 
you’re seeking.

Cindy

From: Terri Brown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't 
want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage.  That makes it 
sound like you don't care.  That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love 
him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from 
parasites.

I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been 
painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks.  We aren't jerks.  We just love 
cats.

Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are 
becoming less and less.  There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes 
being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat.  It 
all matters.  Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago.  
Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then.

All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ 
sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house.

I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where 
he can be with you.  He needs companionship too.

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=

  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Adams 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

  Hello Lorrie,


   I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch

Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Ben Williams
You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone 
through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV 
or both.  Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this 
disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the 
people here were compassionate and kind.  Keeping him in a cage was never a 
consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his 
pain and to help him feel better.

So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you 
come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general.  
I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago.  I would never have even 
considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe.  
Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat 
parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family.  I'm not 
just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders 
do this.  Successful breeders never make much money, either.  They are 
successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into 
new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to 
temperament never last long. 

So, let me be blunt:  if you are for real and you are treating your cats this 
way, you should be ashamed of yourself.  By the way, there are new puppy mill 
laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this 
law.  Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors?  Huge mistake.  She needs to be 
sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus.  If money is all you care 
about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if 
you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them 
in.  I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business.  Sadly, 
I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Lorrie,
 
  I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
 beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is 
 left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment 
 about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that 
 for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with 
 their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than 
 lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know 
 who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message 
 from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on 
 this planet.
 
 Charles Adams
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
  idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
  kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.
 
 It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
 exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
 post thru rose colored glasses.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Beth
Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references,  
shelter references. 
I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the 
shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. 

Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals,  
resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from 
animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in 
adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals 
are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been 
purebred cats  retired breeding cats.
If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are 
plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just 
got one someone was looking to rehome.
I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter  see what we go through for 
these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too 
bone-headed to spay  neuter.

 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
 



 From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 

Hello Lorrie,

     I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.

Charles Adams



 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Edna Taylor

You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to shelters 
and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I just ask 
what effing planet are you from dude?  I have been involved in rescue for 
over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we have spent 
upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even include the 
litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours to bottle feed 
a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone when I got her. 
THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me where all this 
money is I am making?  How much do you sell your cats for?  Thousands?   So, 
yea SCR*W YOU!  YOU are the one breeding your cats for profit, while I am the 
one picking up their broken little bodies off the streets when people grow 
weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside.
 
Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his 
YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve the 
problems HE creates.

Off my soapbox now ;)
Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor 



Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats



Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references,  
shelter references. 
I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the 
shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. 

Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals,  
resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from 
animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in 
adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals 
are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been 
purebred cats  retired breeding cats.
If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are 
plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just 
got one someone was looking to rehome.
I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter  see what we go through for 
these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too 
bone-headed to spay  neuter.

 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!

 






From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats





Hello Lorrie,


 I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.


Charles Adams






From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Lee Evans
Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty 
name.  Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of 
funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever 
reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats because 
they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which usually 
shelter no one.  Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed the children 
if they couldn't be adopted?  Can you imagine breeding children for skin color, 
eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any given time?  
Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur length, the pug 
nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of characteristics that create 
designer type cats but have nothing to do with improving the health or 
happiness of the cats brought into the world by breeding.
 
I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you 
could have more Bengal cat pets.  You would eventually have sold the offspring, 
possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed Bengal cats 
to sell etc..  Please be honest with yourself.  You did write in one of your 
first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house.  Allowing the female 
FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to impregnate her.  So if 
you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a FeLv+ cat, just think about 
a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed kittens.  Not a good plan.  I 
understand why you have the male cat outside in a cage.  Before they are 
neutered, male cats stink.  I have had a few in my house waiting for a neuter 
appointment and it wasn't pleasant.  After they are neutered, however, the 
marking scent disappears and they are wonderful pets again.  You can actually 
sell your male Bengal after he's
 neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss.  You can't sell the FeLv+ cat but 
do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant cat who 
mated with some roaming outside male.
 
One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we 
don't sell cats that we rescue.  By the time we get the cats ready for 
adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them fixed, 
getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are adopted.  Food, 
litter and time spent in their care cost way over the adoption price of $50 to 
$80  per cat.  The adopter gets a good pet that they can enjoy and love right 
out of the carrier.  They don't have to first start to haul the cat to the vet 
to get him/her fixed and vaccinated.  You probably didn't know this.  Anyway, 
I'm glad you joined this list.  I hope you have learned some facts about 
breeding and cats in general.  I won't be posting on this topic any more so 
good luck to you  and I hope you will do the right thing by your lovely cats.






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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Edna Taylor

AMEN BEN :)  YOU ROCK :)
 



From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:30 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats


You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone 
through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV 
or both.  Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this 
disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the 
people here were compassionate and kind.  Keeping him in a cage was never a 
consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his 
pain and to help him feel better.


So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you 
come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general.  
I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago.  I would never have even 
considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe.  
Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat 
parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family.  I'm not 
just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders 
do this.  Successful breeders never make much money, either.  They are 
successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into 
new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to 
temperament never last long. 


So, let me be blunt:  if you are for real and you are treating your cats this 
way, you should be ashamed of yourself.  By the way, there are new puppy mill 
laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this 
law.  Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors?  Huge mistake.  She needs to be 
sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus.  If money is all you care 
about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if 
you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them 
in.  I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business.  Sadly, 
I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote:






Hello Lorrie,


 I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.


Charles Adams






From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread GRAS
It is unconscionable to allow a FeLV+ cat outside, not only because she will
get pregnant - she will spread FeLV to all cats that mate with her, and the
cycle will continue.

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 

Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty
name.  Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of
funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever
reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats
because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which
usually shelter no one.  Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed
the children if they couldn't be adopted?  Can you imagine breeding children
for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any
given time?  Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur
length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of
characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with
improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by
breeding.

 

I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you
could have more Bengal cat pets.  You would eventually have sold the
offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed
Bengal cats to sell etc..  Please be honest with yourself.  You did write in
one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house.
Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to
impregnate her.  So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a
FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed
kittens.  Not a good plan.  I understand why you have the male cat outside
in a cage.  Before they are neutered, male cats stink.  I have had a few in
my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant.  After
they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are
wonderful pets again.  You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's
neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss.  You can't sell the FeLv+ cat
but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant
cat who mated with some roaming outside male.

 

One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we
don't sell cats that we rescue.  By the time we get the cats ready for
adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them
fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are
adopted.  Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the
adoption price of $50 to $80  per cat.  The adopter gets a good pet that
they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier.  They don't have to
first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated.
You probably didn't know this.  Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list.  I
hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general.  I
won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you  and I hope you
will do the right thing by your lovely cats.

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Lorrie
I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
damn about making money from her!!

Lorrie


On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Kelley Saveika
You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the
cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
him?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!

 Lorrie


 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
 This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
 by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
 any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
 you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
 you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
 in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
 without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
 have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
 more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
 to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
 as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
 feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
 needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
 tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
 her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
 or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
 I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
 you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
 stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
 gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
 purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Beth
I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a 
lecture. No apologies.


Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the
cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
him?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!

 Lorrie


 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
 This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
 by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
 any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
 you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
 you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
 in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
 without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
 have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
 more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
 to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
 as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
 feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
 needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
 tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
 her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
 or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
 I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
 you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
 stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
 gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
 purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Susan Saunders
He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.


From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a 
lecture. No apologies.


Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the
cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
him?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!

 Lorrie


 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
     This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
     by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
     any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
     you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
     you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
     in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
     without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
     have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
     more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
     to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
     as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living being with
     feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
     needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
     tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
     her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
     or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
     I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
     you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
     stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
     gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
     purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Melinda Kerr
Kelley,  I was thinking the exact same thing. Fairly recently a young lady 
posted, got very little good advice, but a great deal of criticism and then was 
never heard from again. The people of this group have so much to offer.  It is 
a shame to scare off those needing good advice!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for 
 breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on 
 this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the 
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered him 
 to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? 
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
 This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
 by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
 any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
 you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
 you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
 in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
 without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
 have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
 more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
 to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
 as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
 feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
 needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
 tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
 her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
 or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
 I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
 you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
 stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
 gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
 purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
  
 Please help Trooper!
  
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 complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should 
 sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Kelley Saveika
Beth,

Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over the
years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could
have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is
going to put anyone on the defensive.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.

   *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to
 get a lecture. No apologies.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
 breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
 this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
 him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
 him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
  I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
  cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
  My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
  cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
  neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
  the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
  by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
  damn about making money from her!!
 
  Lorrie
 
 
  On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
  This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to
 learn
  by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
  any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state
 that
  you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the
 Bengal
  you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you
 had
  in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not
 happy
  without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he
 will
  have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is
 of no
  more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and
 want
  to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell
 him
  as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living being
 with
  feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female,
 she
  needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If she
 still
  tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will
 take
  her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only
 cat
  or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
  I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume
 that
  you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
  stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
  gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people
 will
  purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Beth
I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
animals you are going to get a lecture from me.

Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth,

Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over the
years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could
have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is
going to put anyone on the defensive.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.

   *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to
 get a lecture. No apologies.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
 breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
 this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
 him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
 him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
  I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
  cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
  My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
  cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
  neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
  the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
  by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
  damn about making money from her!!
 
  Lorrie
 
 
  On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
  This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to
 learn
  by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
  any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state
 that
  you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the
 Bengal
  you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you
 had
  in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not
 happy
  without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he
 will
  have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is
 of no
  more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and
 want
  to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell
 him
  as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living being
 with
  feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female,
 she
  needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If she
 still
  tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will
 take
  her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only
 cat
  or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
  I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume
 that
  you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
  stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
  gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people
 will
  purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Natalie
If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him 
directly.
I did suggest breed rescue.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
animals you are going to get a lecture from me.

Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth,

Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over 
the years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps 
he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular 
immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.

   *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going 
 to get a lecture. No apologies.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man 
 for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I 
 doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure 
 how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have 
 steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead 
 of attacking him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
  I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed 
  cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
  My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a 
  cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is 
  neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As 
  for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be 
  adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and 
  won't give a damn about making money from her!!
 
  Lorrie
 
 
  On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
  This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning 
   to
 learn
  by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
  any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You 
   state
 that
  you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that 
   the
 Bengal
  you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  
   you
 had
  in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely 
   not
 happy
  without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever 
   because he
 will
  have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he 
   is
 of no
  more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical 
   and
 want
  to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and 
   sell
 him
  as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living 
   being
 with
  feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little 
   female,
 she
  needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If 
   she
 still
  tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that 
   will
 take
  her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an 
   only
 cat
  or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
  I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I 
   assume
 that
  you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
  stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
  gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  
   people
 will
  purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Ben Williams
I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's idea of a 
joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that 
no one on this list would condone.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him 
 directly.
 I did suggest breed rescue.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
 animals you are going to get a lecture from me.
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Beth,
 
 Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
 expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
 list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over 
 the years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps 
 he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular 
 immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive.
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.
 
  *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going 
 to get a lecture. No apologies.
 
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man 
 for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I 
 doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure 
 how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have 
 steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead 
 of attacking him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed 
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a 
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is 
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As 
 for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be 
 adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and 
 won't give a damn about making money from her!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
   This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning 
 to
 learn
   by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
   any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You 
 state
 that
   you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that 
 the
 Bengal
   you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  
 you
 had
   in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely 
 not
 happy
   without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever 
 because he
 will
   have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he 
 is
 of no
   more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical 
 and
 want
   to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and 
 sell
 him
   as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living 
 being
 with
   feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little 
 female,
 she
   needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If 
 she
 still
   tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that 
 will
 take
   her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an 
 only
 cat
   or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
   I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I 
 assume
 that
   you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
   stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
   gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  
 people
 will
   purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Charles Adams
Hello Kelley,
     Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone 
head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily 
for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs 
were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what 
give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is 
important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some 
greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.

Charles



 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for 
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on this 
list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and 
isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered him to some 
resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? 


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
damn about making money from her!!

Lorrie


On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
    This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
    by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
    any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
    you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
    you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
    in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
    without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
    have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
    more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
    to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
    as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
    feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
    needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
    tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
    her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
    or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
    I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
    you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
    stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
    gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
    purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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