Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-12 Thread katskat1
Thank you

On my way there now.

Kat

On 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Go to groups.yahoo.com  search for it. It is for individuals needing help
 with pets. No rescue groups.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on
 payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread Natalie
No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed
point by point!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Thanks Natalie. I meant the Yahoo group Beth mentioned, Animal
Wish List.  You have to have a PayPal account to use Chipin and I
don't have one.  And I wouldn't want to create and use one if I want
the money to go directly to my vet right?  She would have to have an
account?  Don't know if she does, if I can/should set one up for her
(she is out of town), etc.

I will work on it tho cause I can use the help for Luke.

Kat

On 7/11/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed
 point by point!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Beth and Natalie

 Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
 List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

 I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
 guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
 small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
 old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
 behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
 basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
 hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
 directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

 Kat

 On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread Beth
Go to groups.yahoo.com  search for it. It is for individuals needing help with 
pets. No rescue groups.

katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-10 Thread MaiMaiPG
FYI:  Pretty Boy came to the house as a throw-away/stray/feral and  
hung around until we were able to live trap him for neutering (the  
price of free food, shelter).  He avoided being trapped for almost a  
year.  I had his teeth pulled and left him at the vet's for a long  
time to recover then cooped him up in a recovery room in a garage  
for a long time.  Wanted the meds to get out of his system, the gums  
to heal and harden and for him to cool off.  Needless to say he was  
one pissed off cat but he obviously felt better.  Petty Boy was  
returned to his friends that numbered 8-9 at that time so there were  
arguments, hunting, etc.  He has done fine and caught, repeatedly, a  
ground squirrel a few days ago.  He and the rest are served dry food  
daily and, depending on the weather, cat food soup--canned cat food  
mixed with water.  He eats both and, like the rest, looks in a window  
and stares when he wants seconds.  I don't leave a lot of food out any  
more because of packs of dogs running around.  Besides, the heat and  
humidity doesn't help either type of food.


He is doing fine and has been for at least 3 years now.  The vet  
thought he was about 10-11 when he had his teeth pulled.  God knows  
how long he had been in pain.



On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:04 PM, katskat1 wrote:


Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
other impression.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:


The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
We have
quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
side of
their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
front -
and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
feral
and are mushes now.
Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
always
surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them  
were

pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is  
expressing

his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet)  
and

is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by  
numerous

cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:


Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis,  
etc.


Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have 
funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-10 Thread Natalie
Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
anything!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-09 Thread katskat1
Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-08 Thread Natalie
The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.  We have
quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of
their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front -
and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral
and are mushes now.
Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am always
surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live  
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him  
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.   
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were  
pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of  
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing  
his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the  
clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and  
is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most  
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and  
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous  
cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not  
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses  
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of  
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all  
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I  
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male  
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very  
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both  
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,  
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost  
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics  
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I  
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3
 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats
 afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV
 cats, though.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+
 cats?

 I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE
 MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get
 that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly
 appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist,
 with special emphasis on
 cleaning
 out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like
 doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.

 I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in
 different forms.



 It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

 http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-08 Thread MaiMaiPG
His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look  
like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any  
other impression.

On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.   
We have
quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the  
side of
their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in  
front -
and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out  
feral

and are mushes now.
Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am  
always

surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:


Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
probably
can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
couldn't
believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is  
(ours

is
FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
FIV+does
sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
than canned food at times.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention  
the 3

we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats
afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not  
FELV

cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for  
FeLV+

cats?


I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE
MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get
that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and  
supposedly

appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist,
with special emphasis on

cleaning

out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like
doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying  
DMG.


I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in
different forms.



It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-07 Thread MaiMaiPG
Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live  
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him  
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.   
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were  
pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of  
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing  
his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the  
clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and  
is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most  
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and  
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous  
cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not  
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.

On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses  
in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of  
the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all  
of their

babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I  
don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male  
brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very  
sick

kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both  
of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,  
too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost  
clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics  
probably

can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I  
couldn't

believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours
is
FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
FIV+does
sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
than canned food at times.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3
we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats
afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV
cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+

cats?


I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE
MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get
that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly
appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist,
with special emphasis on

cleaning

out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like
doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.

I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in
different forms.



It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-06 Thread Heather
Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've
had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have
done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats?

 I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO
 THE
 POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
 unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
 have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning
 out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
 because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.

 I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different
 forms.



 It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

 http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is
FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It does
sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping
a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food
at times.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've
had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have
done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats?

 I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO
 THE
 POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
 unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
 have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning
 out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
 because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.

 I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different
 forms.



 It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

 http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-06 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably
can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't
believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours 
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It 
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're 
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more 
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

  Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 
 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats 
 afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV 
 cats, though.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

  Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+
 cats?
 
  I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE 
  MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get 
  that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly 
  appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, 
  with special emphasis on
 cleaning
  out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like 
  doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
 
  I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in 
  different forms.
 
 
 
  It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
 
  http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
What is puzzling about the connection between stomatitis/teeth/gums is that
one could understand if they were in bad shape, but our FIV+ Sox has
gorgeous white teeth and great pink gums.  The consensus is that there may
be things going on deep down at the roots, not visible in the mouth. Natalie

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably
can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't
believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours 
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It 
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're 
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more 
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

  Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 
 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats 
 afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV 
 cats, though.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

  Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+
 cats?
 
  I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE 
  MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get 
  that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly 
  appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, 
  with special emphasis on
 cleaning
  out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like 
  doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
 
  I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in 
  different forms.
 
 
 
  It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
 
  http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-05 Thread Ben Williams
I've been giving Dexter .25 mL of DMG twice daily, along with his vitamin.  It 
certainly can't hurt!


On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats?
 
 I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE
 POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
 unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
 have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning
 out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
 because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
 
 I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms.
 
 
 
 It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
 
 http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-05 Thread Natalie
My mother has been recommending this ages ago(she died in 2001) - and I
know that I've used it because she gave it to me, forget for what.  But when
you see the list of things that it can help, it's very impressive: FIV/FeLV,
feline acne (chin), rodent ulcers (on their lips), melanomas, skin
allergies, geriatrics with immunological disorders, epileptic seizures, and
almost all respiratory conditions, and much, much more.
You're right, it can't hurt, especially with an impressive partial list as
above!
FIV Sox is getting .50 mL once a day.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

I've been giving Dexter .25 mL of DMG twice daily, along with his vitamin.
It certainly can't hurt!


On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats?
 
 I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO
THE
 POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
 unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
 have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning
 out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
 because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
 
 I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different
forms.
 
 
 
 It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
 
 http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE 
 
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