Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
People release bodily fluids when they die too. If their bladder is full it 
gets released.t

molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

A few years back I had to euthanize a kitty that had FIP.  He did have fluid 
in his lungs but it did not come out when he was euthanised so if Dexter had 
fluid come out it doesn't mean that he for sure had it in his lungs.  It's 
kind of weird how some release bodily fluids when they die and some don't.  I 
found a dead possum in the road that had poop beside him and then I had a 
foster kitten die that did pee when she left her body.  So I've seen them 
release fluids and not do it.  When my FeLV kitty died in the vet's office in 
March she had blood in her chest and couldn't breath but when she died on the 
table right in front of me she didn't release any fluids nor did blood come 
out of her nose or mouth.  Oh crap, now that I'm thinking about her I'm 
starting to cry again.  Thought I was done with tears from that experience.  
Man, dealing with animals can really hurt.



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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com


The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved 
them enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
 has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
 this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
 can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
 escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
 own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
 fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
 was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
 him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
 natural.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
 but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
 always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
 about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
 NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
 This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
 a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
 plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
 world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
 natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
 even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
 This, again, is not a sign of pain.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
  haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
  You've
  all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
  - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
  that little boy.  He was so special to us.
 
   If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
  have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
  please just skip this one:
 
  Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
  this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
  injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
  A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
  yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
  was fluid that had started to
  collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
  I don't
  know - I

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-09 Thread dlgegg
All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is 
protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure 
someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then, 
after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes 
the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why are we 
having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.  When I 
check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause 
cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo 
which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to take them 
and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that if it came 
back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and assist me in 
a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to go thru chemo 
again.  You may as well be dead.
 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 
 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.
 
 
 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-09 Thread dlgegg
The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved them 
enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
 has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
 this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
 can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
 escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
 own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
 fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
 was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
 him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
 natural.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
 but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
 always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
 about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
 NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
 This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
 a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
 plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
 world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
 natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
 even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
 This, again, is not a sign of pain.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
  haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
  You've
  all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
  - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
  that little boy.  He was so special to us.
 
   If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
  have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
  please just skip this one:
 
  Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
  this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
  injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
  A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
  yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
  was fluid that had started to
  collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
  I don't
  know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
  while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
  X- ray on
  sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
  Sorry for
  the awkward question.
 
  On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson 
  longhornf...@verizon.net
  wrote:
 
  My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry 
  Dexter is gone, but he will live within your heart now.
 
  You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.
 
  My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
 
  Lynda
  - Original Message - From: Ben Williams 
  drsiebl...@gmail.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 
  I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your 
  kind
  words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
  shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to 
  us.
  Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us 
  both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas 
  Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had 
  worsened over the course of the night.  After

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-09 Thread Natalie
And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to
cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
and animals.
Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead
of waiting for cancer to return?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then,
after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years
of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to
take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that
if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and
assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to
go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 
 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
honor.
 
 
 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-09 Thread dlgegg
I am.  Ever once i a while I give in and eat a hotdog, then I put them in the 
freezer for 6 or 8 months and give in again.  Sort of like my White Castle 
hamburgers.  They were once called belly bombers for a reason, but they taste 
so good.  All those grilled onions which I order extra on mine.  I eat lots of 
onion and garlic and now thanks to DR. Oz, am adding lots of rosemary to my 
meals.  It aids your memory and boy do I need that!  Since I met Mary, I am 
leaning to mostly Vietnamese foods.  They are very low in fats, sugar unlike 
Chinese and Thai.  Lots of greens, very little meat, lots of rice noodles.  I 
love Thai, but it does have a lot of sugar.  
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
 and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to
 cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
 and animals.
 Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead
 of waiting for cancer to return?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
 protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
 someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then,
 after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
 takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
 are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
 When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
 can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years
 of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to
 take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that
 if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and
 assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to
 go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 
  http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
  
  You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
  the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
  availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
  world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
  worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
  that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
  else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
  Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
  However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
  in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
  and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
  Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
  import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
  and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
 honor.
  
  
  So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
 and
  senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
  Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
  cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-09 Thread dlgegg
Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting.  Tried it once, no 
more!  Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards.  Androgravis is not too 
good either.  Best to disguise those 2.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
 and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to
 cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
 and animals.
 Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead
 of waiting for cancer to return?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
 protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
 someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And then,
 after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
 takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
 are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
 When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
 can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years
 of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want to
 take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said that
 if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood  and
 assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse to
 go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 
  http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
  
  You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
  the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
  availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
  world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
  worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
  that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
  else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
  Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
  However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
  in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
  and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
  Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
  import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
  and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
 honor.
  
  
  So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
 and
  senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
  Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
  cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-09 Thread dlgegg
One thing Ihave learned since being a part of this group is that they are the 
most caring, loving people I have ever known.  It seems that when someone loves 
and cares for an animal, they have a greater abundance of love for everyone, 
including people.  I am glad to have found all of you and keep you in my 
prayers always.
 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
 and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
 I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
 yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
 returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
 his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
 in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
 passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
 treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
 took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
 Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
 done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
 with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
 doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
 year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
 without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
 more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
 Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
 though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
 we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
 swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
 When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
 well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
 it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
 probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
 labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
 pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
 well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
 of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
 temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
 terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
 everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
 morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
 little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
 on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
 We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
 for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
 we will miss him terribly.  He was a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-09 Thread molveywda
A few years back I had to euthanize a kitty that had FIP.  He did have fluid in 
his lungs but it did not come out when he was euthanised so if Dexter had fluid 
come out it doesn't mean that he for sure had it in his lungs.  It's kind of 
weird how some release bodily fluids when they die and some don't.  I found a 
dead possum in the road that had poop beside him and then I had a foster kitten 
die that did pee when she left her body.  So I've seen them release fluids and 
not do it.  When my FeLV kitty died in the vet's office in March she had blood 
in her chest and couldn't breath but when she died on the table right in front 
of me she didn't release any fluids nor did blood come out of her nose or 
mouth.  Oh crap, now that I'm thinking about her I'm starting to cry again.  
Thought I was done with tears from that experience.  Man, dealing with animals 
can really hurt.



sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com


The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved them 
enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
 has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
 this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
 can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
 escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
 own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
 fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
 was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
 him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
 natural.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
 but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
 always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
 about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
 NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
 This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
 a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
 plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
 world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
 natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
 even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
 This, again, is not a sign of pain.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
  haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
  You've
  all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
  - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
  that little boy.  He was so special to us.
 
   If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
  have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
  please just skip this one:
 
  Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
  this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
  injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
  A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
  yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
  was fluid that had started to
  collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
  I don't
  know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
  while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
  X- ray

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-09 Thread katskat1
Ben,

I cried when you wrote about Dexter.  He sounds like he fought til he
just got too tired and did what he could to let you know it was time
for him to move on.  It is so hard to make that choice.  Makes you
feel like you are 'playing' God sometimes but I think He knows and
gives us that 'power' to use wisely, judiciously and to help our
fur-babies when necessary. And Dexter knew, he told you, and now he's
healthy, happy and waiting for you to show up.

Anyway, you say you can get Interferon at vetcentric.com but neither
of my vets are registered with them and apparently they have to have a
vet Rx to ship anything so.

Is what you get from them the Virbagen Interferon Omega or the human
stuff?  If it is the Virbagen Interferon Omega and you have some, can
I ask what state you are in?  I am in Ohio but if you have some of the
Omega available I would like to know if you would give me your address
so I can send you $ for shipping some to me?

How long does it last?  What is the dosage?  Do you refrigerate it?
Freeze it?  Etc.  If you are willing/able to send some please respond
to me directly if possible.

katofo...@gmail.com

Thanks a zillion!  My FeLV+ kitty, Luke (I know, sick name but when
she tested positive I just started calling her my Luke Kitty and it
stuck.  What can I say?) will probably have all teeth pulled soon if I
can come up with the $.

She is having a hard time eating, seems to be losing appetite but
still purrs up a storm when scritched.  Refuses food with ANY meds;
L-Lysine, Amoxicillin, tooth meds, etc.; drinks a little kitten milk
replacement unless I try to mix any meds in it;  eats a very small
amount of canned food unless I add meds;  trying to syringe force her
gets me scratched, she spits most of it up and she and I both get VERY
stressed.  Her teeth are rotting.  She probably doesn't have long as I
can't afford much in the way of meds on unemployment but I want to
help her if I can so she has a good life as long as possible...

Bless all of you for the information, support and help you offer.
Hope to hear from you Ben.

Kat


On 7/9/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting.  Tried it once, no
 more!  Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards.  Androgravis is not
 too good either.  Best to disguise those 2.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
 and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used
 to
 cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
 and animals.
 Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now,
 instead
 of waiting for cancer to return?

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
 protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
 someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And
 then,
 after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
 takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
 are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
 When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
 can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after
 years
 of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want
 to
 take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said
 that
 if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood
 and
 assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse
 to
 go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
  You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference
  and
  the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
  availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
  world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
  worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a
  drug
  that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
  else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
  Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
  However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
  in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the
  DEA
  and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
  Europe that contains the medication that I've been given

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Cindy McHugh

Hi Kat,

I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth 
recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I 
read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly 
enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the 
vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.


Cindy

- Original Message - 
From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
co-founder of and maybe to her too.
And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
save our furrbabies lives...
Thanks
Kat
A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
katofo...@gmail.com

On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
very handy for them!
All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they 
are

ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same 
thing,

even though we get 50% discount.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference 
and

the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in 
the

world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade 
everywhere

else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and 
simple.
However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse 
potential

in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package 
from

Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its 
refrigeration
and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the 
honor.



So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people 
and

senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Beth Noren
Winn Foundation is legit and does a lot of good, I know they give
grants for FIP research, but I think they do grants for other cat
health issues as well.  If you go to their home page and click on
Grants you can see listings for what they have funded.  Each year
they put out a list of what projects they have funded.  I didn't see
anything for FeLV in 2010, but there was one grant for improving
lymphoma treatment.   My vet made a contribution in honor of my kitten
when she died of FIP.

Beth N.



On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I have no idea...do you know what exactly they do?  What's their website -
 let's look into it.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:34 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats?

 -- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
 there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
 uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
 where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
 research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I
 should
 ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of
 Veterinarians
 for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
 constructive research done on FeLV.
 In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
 lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
 anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
 specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
 ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really
 grotesque
 scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it
 couldn't
 close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
 inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
 blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you
 would
 defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made
 the
 whole thing up!
 BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped
 at
 the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
 eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia
 Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to
 find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor
 babies!!


 - Original Message -
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
 this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
 them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
 years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease
 that
 makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
 thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
 I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 Dear Cathy and Mark,

 I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss,
 but
 I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
 pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when
 you
 consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a
 speck
 of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll
 turn
 that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

 You're in my thoughts and prayers,
 Cindy


 - Original Message -
 From: ckess...@cox.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Ben,

 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.
 We

 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Natalie
Any local pharmacy.  Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at
places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling
that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase
antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that
too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it
without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them.  So, we
just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it.  A bottle of the powder that
makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at
local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you
know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50?  There's a
huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers.  One of our vets
charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine
the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the
market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear!
How does your vet get human interferon?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofohio
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
co-founder of and maybe to her too.
And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
save our furrbabies lives...
Thanks
Kat
A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
katofo...@gmail.com

On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they
are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same
thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
honor.


 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Ben Williams
We get interferon through vetcentric.com.  It's cheap - about $15 for a bottle, 
but the cold pack overnight shipping brings it up to about $60.  I've got two 
bottles if anyone needs any...

-- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Any local pharmacy.  Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at
 places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling
 that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase
 antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that
 too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it
 without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them.  So, we
 just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it.  A bottle of the powder that
 makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at
 local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you
 know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50?  There's a
 huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers.  One of our vets
 charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine
 the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the
 market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear!
 How does your vet get human interferon?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: katofohio
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
 powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
 it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
 co-founder of and maybe to her too.
 And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
 interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
 Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
 save our furrbabies lives...
 Thanks
 Kat
 A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
 katofo...@gmail.com
 
 On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they
 are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same
 thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
 honor.
 
 
 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
 and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Natalie
Actually, I have the name of a tetracycline that one can buy without
prescription at pet supply stores...will try to find it. Yes, I heard that
fish antibiotics are the sameisn't that strange that one can get them
without prescription? They don't think that people would connect the dots!
BTW - many of the drugs we buy here, are made in Mexico by US pharmaceutical
companies that have plants there with cheap labor and good quality control!
You would NOT be compromising your animals' health in any way!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Hi Kat,

I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth 
recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I

read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly 
enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the 
vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.

Cindy

- Original Message - 
From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
 powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
 it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
 co-founder of and maybe to her too.
 And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
 interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
 Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
 save our furrbabies lives...
 Thanks
 Kat
 A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
 katofo...@gmail.com

 On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they 
 are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same 
 thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference 
 and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in 
 the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade 
 everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and 
 simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse 
 potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package 
 from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its 
 refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the 
 honor.


 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people 
 and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
we will miss him terribly.  He was a huge part of our family - not some
pet or animal.  We have four other wonderful kitties at home who are not
FelV or FIV positive.  They have been wonderful as our attention has been so
focused on Dex for the last month and we owe them some serious one on one
time right now.  While all of the kitties get along well, Dex was the one
cat in the house that all the other cats adored.  He was never involved in
spats with any of them and they 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Cindy McHugh

Dear Ben,

I'm having problems with receiving my email, so I've missed some of what's 
transpired with Dexter, but in reading your post, your profound love for him 
is so very clear. You did all you could for your dear boy and he knows that.


I lost my beloved dog Jack to cancer last year. He had a tumor that was 
pressing against his heart, causing him to have trouble breathing. When the 
specialist identified it and said it was inoperable, I was crushed to have 
to let him go. I'm still not over the loss and I cry many days, but I 
promise you that it does get better in time.


I pray you find comfort in knowing Dexter is happy and healthy now - and 
that this separation is only temporary. When you consider that you'll have 
eternity together, this is but a blink of an eye.


I look at the sweet FeLV+ boy I'm fostering and get so angry at this disease 
and the lack of treatment that exists for it. I'm praying for a treatment 
and cure.


You're in my thoughts and prayers.
Cindy McHugh


- Original Message - 
From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter



I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
shared

and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of 
the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, 
we

immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him 
on

three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given 
no

advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I 
don't

blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or 
days

aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work 
with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's 
treatment.

I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in 
for

his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week 
he

took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible 
diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex 
while

we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even 
responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown 
cancer -

it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Terri Brown
Don't ever doubt that you did everything you could for your little guy, and 
don't ever doubt that he knew that and loved you for it.
Sounds like he was too tired to stick around, and made the decision on his own.

Dex is free of this awful disease now, and is happily romping around with all 
of our departed FeLV+ babies already waiting for us.

Goodnight, sweet Dexter...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben Williamsmailto:drsiebl...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


  I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
  words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
  and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
  Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
  received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
  Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
  night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
  immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
  been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
  yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
  three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
  injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
  on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
  advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
  shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
  blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
  he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
  informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
  aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
  when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
  him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
  the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
  Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
  Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
  calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
  and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
  I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
  yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
  returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
  his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
  in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
  passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
  treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
  took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
  Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
  done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
  with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
  doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
  year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
  without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
  more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
  Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
  though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
  we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
  swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
  When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
  well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
  it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
  probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
  labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
  pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
  well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
  of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
  temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
  terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
  everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Beth
It sounds like Dexter was a wonderful boy. You were lucky to have him  he you.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Wed, 7/6/11, Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 10:46 AM

I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
we will miss him terribly.  He was a huge part of our family - not some
pet or animal.  We have four other wonderful kitties at home

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Ben and all your familymy heart breaks reading your post.  My husband
and I well know the trips to the animal hospital in the middle of the night,
the transfusions, searching for anything that might help, the roller coaster
of emotions, the desire to do anything at all, to save your precious ailing
family member. We are so sorry your efforts and Dex's valiant fight had this
outcome, but you surely know that you have done absolutely everything within
your power to return Dex to good health.  Sometimes, there is nothing we can
do but let them transition to another plane where we will see them
again...happy, healthy and wildly anticipating our arrival. 

So no more doubts, no more second-guessing, no more what if's.  You've
done so much for your precious Dexter, and there is no doubt that he knows
it and loves you for it.

You'll have a hole in your heart for him always...no doubt.  But maybe
you'll find just a little bit of Dex in other kitties that either are in
your life or will come into your life.  

All our hearts hurt when we learn of the death of another one of these
special special kitties.  Dex will have a beautiful candle to light his way
tonight in Southern California.  Blessings to you and your family,  Sara
 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread ckessel1
Ben,

I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.  We lost 
our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it.  
You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the 
short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only had our little girl 5 
months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life).  She 
ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled 
back up within 24 hours.  She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five 
months we had her.  She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her 
laboring to breath.

I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I 
(and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now 
with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for 
my family in our time of crisis and pain.

Cathy and Mark

 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Sharyl
I was saddened to read that little Dexter has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  He 
was  a brave warrior in his battle against FeLV.   You both did everything you 
could to help Dexter in this battle.  He is now healthy and chasing  
butterflies.  I'll light a candle for Dexter tonight.
 
Sharyl 

From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
we will miss him terribly.  He

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread terrie
Wanted to send my condolences as I may not post often as but I do read and follow the postings.
It is heart breaking indeed I'm saddened by your loss of Dexter!
I know this feeling all too well.
Remember, he knows how much you loved him and did what you could do. He loved you in return. Bless you for giving him the love and care he needed.
He will send another angel to you in due time that will need your help.
Meanwhile, he is at the Rainbow Bridge with my Taz and late husband of course all the other furangels where they are healthy and chasing butterflies.
I've been in this group/list for a very long time. Have seen many come and go but I continue to stay and read.
I pray everyday for a cure for this damn disease.

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.



 Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DexterFrom: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.comDate: Wed, July 06, 2011 7:46 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kindwords regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have sharedand appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - wereceived a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic'sDr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of thenight. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, weimmediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright hasbeen on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be backyesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him onthree occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulatorinjections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex inon Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given noadvice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex hisshot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don'tblame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice wherehe is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patientsinformed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or daysaren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago,when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which tookhim over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic bythe LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas AnimalClinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of takingcalls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work withand have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to themyesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't bereturning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in forhis checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had setin, his advice was to "take him home and make him comfortable." A weekpassed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternatetreatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week hetook to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks whereDex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anythingdone for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spokewith him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remainingdoses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex lastyear when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dexwithout question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have hadmore effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while onImmunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex whilewe treated him. We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes wereswelling. Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even respondedwell with benadryl. That thing sneaking up on Dexter? Full blown cancer -it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it hadprobably made his heart swell. His breathing was becoming more and morelabored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too muchpain to continue. Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, aswell as steroids. He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the courseof the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his bodytemperature dropped to 94 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Cindy McHugh

Dear Cathy and Mark,

I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but 
I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I 
pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you 
consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck 
of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn 
that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.


You're in my thoughts and prayers,
Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: ckess...@cox.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Ben,

I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.  We 
lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write 
about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was 
wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only had 
our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her 
short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we 
drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so tired 
but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the 
cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.


I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband 
and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing 
together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did 
for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.


Cathy and Mark

 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

=
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
shared

and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of 
the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, 
we

immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him 
on

three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given 
no

advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I 
don't

blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or 
days

aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work 
with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's 
treatment.

I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in 
for

his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week 
he

took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible 
diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex 
while

we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Cindy, what a beautiful thoughtthey are not gone, just gone ahead.

Cathy and Mark.we'll make that two beautiful candles tonight in
SoCal...one for Cali and one for Dexter.  So sorry for your loss.

Sara


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Dear Cathy and Mark,

I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but 
I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I 
pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you 
consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck 
of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn 
that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

You're in my thoughts and prayers,
Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: ckess...@cox.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Ben,

 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.  We

 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write 
 about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was 
 wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only had

 our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her 
 short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we 
 drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so tired

 but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the 
 cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.

 I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband 
 and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing 
 together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did 
 for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.

 Cathy and Mark

  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

 =
 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of 
 the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, 
 we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him 
 on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given 
 no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I 
 don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or 
 days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work 
 with
 and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's 
 treatment.
 I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
 yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
 returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in 
 for
 his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
 in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
 passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
 treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week 
 he
 took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
 Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
 done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
 with him and started him on Acemannan injections

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Lynda Wilson
My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry Dexter is 
gone, but he will live within your heart now.


You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter



I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
shared

and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of 
the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, 
we

immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him 
on

three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given 
no

advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I 
don't

blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or 
days

aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work 
with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's 
treatment.

I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in 
for

his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week 
he

took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible 
diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex 
while

we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even 
responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown 
cancer -

it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the 
course

of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming 
pad,

little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
we will miss him

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that
makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Dear Cathy and Mark,

I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but 
I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I 
pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you 
consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck 
of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn 
that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

You're in my thoughts and prayers,
Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: ckess...@cox.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Ben,

 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.  We

 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write 
 about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was 
 wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only had

 our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her 
 short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we 
 drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so tired

 but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the 
 cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.

 I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband 
 and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing 
 together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did 
 for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.

 Cathy and Mark

  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

 =
 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of 
 the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, 
 we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him 
 on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given 
 no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I 
 don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or 
 days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work 
 with
 and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's 
 treatment.
 I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
 yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
 returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in 
 for
 his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
 in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
 passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
 treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.  You've
all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today - if
anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that little
boy.  He was so special to us.

  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who have
been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, please just
skip this one:

Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia this
morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was injected and
silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few minutes
later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear liquid
came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had started to
collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?  I don't
know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a while
there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X-ray on
sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.  Sorry for
the awkward question.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:

 My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry Dexter is
 gone, but he will live within your heart now.

 You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

 My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


  I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of
 the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning,
 we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him
 on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given
 no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I
 don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or
 days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work
 with
 and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
 treatment.
 I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
 yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
 returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in
 for
 his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
 in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
 passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
 treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week
 he
 took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
 Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
 done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
 with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
 doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
 year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
 without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
 more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
 Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible
 diseases,
 though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex
 while
 we treated him.  We seemed to reverse

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread ckessel1
Ben,

Try not to remember what happened after Dexter gave his small sigh.  Take 
comfort that his sigh to you was his sign that he could now relax and breath 
freely.  

What happens after that is just what the body does naturally.  Many times, an 
animal can urinate or have other fluids that come out from their mouths and 
noses because the body is just relaxing and riding itself of all types of 
fluids.  It is very natural and some animals do it and some animals don't.  It 
has nothing to do with suffering.  Dexter knows you loved him and he loved you. 
 That is WHAT MATTERS.

Don't go down the road of what if's.  You were a good family and Dexter loved 
you.  I have never been able to have children so my pets are my kids.  I take 
the decision to end a kids life very seriously (as I know you did).  I 
believe it is the last huge responsibility I do, as a loving parent is to make 
sure my child has the best quality of life they can have.  That is exactly what 
you did for Dexter.  You didn't want to see him continue to struggle to breath 
and you helped him to be peaceful.  

Look to your other kids to help you get through.  See the life in them.  They 
will show you the way.  You are a compassionate and loving man.  

Cathy   
 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.  You've
all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today - if
anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that little
boy.  He was so special to us.

  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who have
been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, please just
skip this one:

Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia this
morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was injected and
silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few minutes
later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear liquid
came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had started to
collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?  I don't
know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a while
there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X-ray on
sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.  Sorry for
the awkward question.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:

 My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry Dexter is
 gone, but he will live within your heart now.

 You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

 My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


  I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of
 the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning,
 we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him
 on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given
 no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I
 don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or
 days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work
 with
 and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
 treatment.
 I only wish we

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread MaiMaiPG
It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul  
leaves it.  This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a  
sign of pain.  It is a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason  
a vet may wrap a body in plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will  
leave a friend to leave this world without me holding him/her and this  
happens.  It also happens in natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases  
when a person commits suicide or even is murdered.  It can be awful if  
a family member discovers the body.  This, again, is not a sign of  
pain.

On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:


Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
You've
all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped  
today - if
anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that  
little

boy.  He was so special to us.

 If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you  
who have
been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish,  
please just

skip this one:

Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the  
euthanasia this
morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was  
injected and
silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few  
minutes
later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear  
liquid
came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had  
started to
collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
I don't
know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a  
while
there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X- 
ray on
sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
Sorry for

the awkward question.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
wrote:


My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry  
Dexter is

gone, but he will live within your heart now.

You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

Lynda
- Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your  
kind

words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us  
both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal  
Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the  
course of

the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday  
morning,

we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr.  
Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be  
back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to  
see him

on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we  
took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we  
were given

no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give  
Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people  
and I

don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a  
practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his  
patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or  
hours or

days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several  
weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment  
(which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal  
Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East  
Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and  
Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of  
taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to  
work

with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex  
to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright  
wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took  
Dexter in

for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia  
had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A  
week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about  
alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and  
the week

he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three  
weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Caspercat
So very sorry for your loss.  I post rarely but have been following Dexter's
story and it touched me.  About your Euthanasia question - I don't know the
answer but you may want to ask Dr. Cantrell to get the specifics of the
yellow liquid just for your own information (and because you will continue
to wonder).  Underneath your question is - did you do the right thing, soon
enough?  The answer is unequivocally yes.   Your love for Dexter and the
information you were provided in real time guided you to making the right
choices every step of the way.I know because I’ve been there.
Euthanasia is very sad, particularly after a long struggle in the hospital.
I’ve beaten myself up for similar circumstances.   You did the best you
could (and yes your best was good enough).  In the end you helped Dexter
pass peacefully, which is a gift.  If Dexter could talk to you right now
what would he say?  He would probably say think of me with joy in your heart
for knowing me and please go play with my brothers and sisters for me.
___
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul  
leaves it.  This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a  
sign of pain.  It is a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason  
a vet may wrap a body in plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will  
leave a friend to leave this world without me holding him/her and this  
happens.  It also happens in natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases  
when a person commits suicide or even is murdered.  It can be awful if  
a family member discovers the body.  This, again, is not a sign of  
pain.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:

 Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
 haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
 You've
 all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped  
 today - if
 anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that  
 little
 boy.  He was so special to us.

  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you  
 who have
 been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish,  
 please just
 skip this one:

 Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the  
 euthanasia this
 morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was  
 injected and
 silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few  
 minutes
 later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear  
 liquid
 came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had  
 started to
 collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
 I don't
 know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a  
 while
 there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X- 
 ray on
 sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
 Sorry for
 the awkward question.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
 wrote:

 My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry  
 Dexter is
 gone, but he will live within your heart now.

 You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

 My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your  
 kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us  
 both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal  
 Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the  
 course of
 the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday  
 morning,
 we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr.  
 Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be  
 back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to  
 see him
 on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we  
 took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we  
 were given
 no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give  
 Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people  
 and I
 don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a  
 practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his  
 patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or  
 hours or
 days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several  
 weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment  
 (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal  
 Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East  
 Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and  
 Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of  
 taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to  
 work
 with
 and have been open to taking every

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Lynda Wilson
You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia 
Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to 
find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor 
babies!!



- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease 
that

makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Dear Cathy and Mark,

I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, 
but

I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you
consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a 
speck

of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn
that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

You're in my thoughts and prayers,
Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: ckess...@cox.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Ben,

I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. 
We



lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only 
had



our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so 
tired



but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.

I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband
and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing
together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did
for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.

Cathy and Mark

 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

=
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - 
we

received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of
the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning,
we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright 
has

been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him
on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex 
in

on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given
no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex 
his

shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I
don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice 
where

he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or
days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which 
took

him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas 
Animal

Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work
with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Lynda Wilson
Ben, same thing happened to my kitty, Crash, that I had adopted from the 
local Humane Society. I thought the same. I stayed so long with him to say 
good-bye that I noticed the fluid coming out of his nose. I never asked 
about it. I think at the time, I did not want to know. He was having a hard 
time breathing as well.


Peace be with you!
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter



Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.  You've
all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today - if
anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that little
boy.  He was so special to us.

 If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
have

been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, please just
skip this one:

Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
this
morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was injected 
and

silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few minutes
later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear liquid
came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had started 
to
collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?  I 
don't

know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a while
there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X-ray on
sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.  Sorry 
for

the awkward question.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson 
longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:



My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry Dexter is
gone, but he will live within your heart now.

You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

Lynda
- Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind

words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - 
we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal 
Clinic's

Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of
the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday 
morning,

we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright 
has

been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see 
him

on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex 
in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were 
given

no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex 
his

shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I
don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice 
where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his 
patients

informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or
days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks 
ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which 
took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic 
by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas 
Animal

Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of 
taking

calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work
with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to 
them

yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in
for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had 
set

in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the 
week

he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks 
where

Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we 
spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Ben, I'm so sorry you and Dexter lost your fight. It happens all too often,
and not from lack of caring or trying -- or from not doing things
differently. Given Dex's condition as you describe it, I don't think the
outcome would have been wildly different if the variables you mention had
been different -- but possibly you would have had less worry about someone
being available to treat him in a timely manner.

My condolences to all of you.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should
ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians
for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
constructive research done on FeLV.
In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque
scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't
close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would
defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the
whole thing up!
BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at
the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia 
Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to 
find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor 
babies!!


- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
 this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
 them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
 years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease 
 that
 makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
 thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
 I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 Dear Cathy and Mark,

 I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, 
 but
 I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
 pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you
 consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a 
 speck
 of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn
 that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

 You're in my thoughts and prayers,
 Cindy


 - Original Message - 
 From: ckess...@cox.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Ben,

 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. 
 We

 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
 about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
 wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only 
 had

 our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
 short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
 drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so 
 tired

 but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
 cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.

 I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband
 and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing
 together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did
 for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.

 Cathy and Mark

  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

 =
 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats?

-- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
 there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
 uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
 where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
 research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should
 ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians
 for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
 constructive research done on FeLV.
 In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
 lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
 anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
 specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
 ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque
 scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't
 close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
 inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
 blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would
 defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the
 whole thing up!
 BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at
 the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
 eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia 
 Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to 
 find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor 
 babies!!
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 
 It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
 this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
 them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
 years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease 
 that
 makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
 thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
 I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 Dear Cathy and Mark,
 
 I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, 
 but
 I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
 pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you
 consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a 
 speck
 of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn
 that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.
 
 You're in my thoughts and prayers,
 Cindy
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ckess...@cox.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 
 Ben,
 
 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. 
 We
 
 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
 about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
 wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only 
 had
 
 our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
 short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
 drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so 
 tired
 
 but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
 cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.
 
 I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband
 and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing
 together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did
 for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.
 
 Cathy and Mark
 
  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 =
 I'd like to start off

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
I have no idea...do you know what exactly they do?  What's their website -
let's look into it.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats?

-- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
 there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
 uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
 where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
 research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I
should
 ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of
Veterinarians
 for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
 constructive research done on FeLV.
 In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
 lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
 anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
 specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
 ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really
grotesque
 scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it
couldn't
 close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
 inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
 blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you
would
 defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made
the
 whole thing up!
 BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped
at
 the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
 eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia 
 Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to 
 find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor 
 babies!!
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 
 It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
 this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
 them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
 years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease 
 that
 makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
 thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
 I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 Dear Cathy and Mark,
 
 I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, 
 but
 I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
 pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when
you
 consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a 
 speck
 of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll
turn
 that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.
 
 You're in my thoughts and prayers,
 Cindy
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ckess...@cox.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 
 Ben,
 
 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. 
 We
 
 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
 about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
 wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only 
 had
 
 our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
 short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
 drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so 
 tired
 
 but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
 cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.
 
 I just want you to know that you

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
natural.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
This, again, is not a sign of pain.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:

 Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
 haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
 You've
 all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
 - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
 that little boy.  He was so special to us.

  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
 have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
 please just skip this one:

 Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
 this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
 injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
 A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
 yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
 was fluid that had started to
 collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
 I don't
 know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
 while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
 X- ray on
 sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
 Sorry for
 the awkward question.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson 
 longhornf...@verizon.net
 wrote:

 My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry 
 Dexter is gone, but he will live within your heart now.

 You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

 My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Ben Williams 
 drsiebl...@gmail.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your 
 kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
 shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to 
 us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us 
 both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas 
 Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had 
 worsened over the course of the night.  After picking Dex up from 
 the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to 
 Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr.
 Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be 
 back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter 
 to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell 
 Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that 
 Monday.  When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet 
 and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were 
 unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out 
 the door

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.


So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Cindy McHugh
Thank you Sara. I can't take credit for the sentiment; it belongs to Dee 
Miller, a kind and compassionate woman on my Canine list. Whenever I've lost 
a pet and post to the list, I always find comfort in Dee's reassuring words 
that my beloved is not gone, just gone ahead.


Cindy and Angel Jackpot, who's gone ahead


- Original Message - 
From: Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Cindy, what a beautiful thoughtthey are not gone, just gone ahead.

Cathy and Mark.we'll make that two beautiful candles tonight in
SoCal...one for Cali and one for Dexter.  So sorry for your loss.

Sara


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Dear Cathy and Mark,

I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, 
but

I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you
consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a 
speck

of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn
that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

You're in my thoughts and prayers,
Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: ckess...@cox.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Ben,

I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. 
We



lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only 
had



our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so 
tired



but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.

I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband
and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing
together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did
for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.

Cathy and Mark

 Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

=
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - 
we

received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of
the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning,
we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright 
has

been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him
on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex 
in

on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given
no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex 
his

shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I
don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice 
where

he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or
days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which 
took

him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas 
Animal

Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work
with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in
for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had 
set

in, his advice

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Ben
My deepest condolences go out to you and your family, including the other
felines who are sure to miss Dex.  What a little sweetheart he must have
been.  He was fortunate to have your love and care.
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
we will miss him

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Lynda Wilson
I will ask my vet as well. Let's keep in touch and share what we find out. 
We definitely do not want our money wasted. Thanks for sharing that story.


L
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I 
should
ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of 
Veterinarians

for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
constructive research done on FeLV.
In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really 
grotesque
scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it 
couldn't

close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you 
would
defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made 
the

whole thing up!
BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped 
at

the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia
Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to
find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor
babies!!


- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease
that
makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Dear Cathy and Mark,

I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss,
but
I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when 
you

consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a
speck
of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll 
turn

that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

You're in my thoughts and prayers,
Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: ckess...@cox.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Ben,

I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.
We



lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only
had



our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so
tired



but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.

I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my 
husband

and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing
together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you 
did

for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.

Cathy and Mark

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Natalie
Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
very handy for them!
All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are
ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing,
even though we get 50% discount. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.


So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread katskat1
Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
co-founder of and maybe to her too.
And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
save our furrbabies lives...
Thanks
Kat
A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
katofo...@gmail.com

On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.


 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
 ___
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 Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org



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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Maureen Olvey

I think talking with a feline cancer group will be helpful.  I couldn't tell 
you because I don't know a lot about lymphosarcoma.  I'm sure the vets are 
telling you to let him go but you have to make the call and don't do it until 
you're sure so you won't regret it and wonder later on.  I guess it depends on 
the success rate of doing chemo on lymphosarcoma at this stage.  Maybe you 
should try to consult with a vet oncologist immediately about his chances.  If 
the chemo could give him several more months is it worth it?  If the chemo 
could give him another year is it worth it?  Chemo can be rough but I'm in a 
dog cancer group and usually after a few days of being sick after the chemo 
treatments the dogs are okay until the next round.  I'm not sure how it affects 
cats though.  My dog was diagnosed a couple months ago with bone cancer and 
chemo wasn't an option but radiation was an option for just a few extra months 
with him.  I asked myself those questions about how long would it give him and 
would the pain he would endure be worth it.  It's different for me because my 
dog is old so I had to take that into consideration.  Seems like I read in one 
of the e-mails that Dexter isn't that old.  Anyway, I had a little time because 
my dog wasn't in pain so I talked with two different oncologist and they both 
said the same thing.  Talking with an specialist made me feel better about my 
decision.One thing I have learned from the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that 
there are no wrong decisions.  You do what you think is right for Dexter.  You 
know Dexter better than any vet so it's your call and it won't be a wrong 
decision.Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 From: skastel...@cicresearch.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:55:58 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best decision for Dex will become 
 obvious to you, whatever that is.  The most difficult decision is deciding 
 that his quality of life...tubes, pills, anything out of the ordinary on a 
 morre than temporary basis, would serve only those who will be left behind.  
 God bless you and your family as you wrestle with this difficult decision.  
 Dexterwe love you.  Please..let your beloved Daddy look in your eyes and 
 tell him what you need.  Sara
 
 
 
 --Original Mail--
 From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:25:37 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter. In the 
 past three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started 
 having difficulty breathing. Today has been bad and he is now receiving 
 oxygen at the Dallas emergency vet clinic. X-rays show that he has lymph node 
 involvement in every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and have move 
 out of the proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 4 of 
 lymphosarcoma. He is whimpering and obviously in pain. We don't want to give 
 up and we are willing to do chemo for him. We want to do what's best for 
 Dexter, but it is so hard to make that final decision. Is it time for his 
 suffering to be over? Does he have a chance? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Natalie
Dexter seems to be telling you that he wants to go on.
Has anyone ever considered asking their cats directly, through an animal 
communicator, what they want, if they're in pain, do they want to go on,etc?
I have, last summer when Lafayette was dying of cancer (I treated him with a 
tonic that helped him tremendously!), the communicator is in CA, and is 
absolutely wonderful and not a money-grabber - she really cares, spends much 
more time with you than asked, calls you back to check...on her own dime. She's 
also very reasonable as compared to others.  I have in the past contacted some 
that cared more about the money, even if you went over by a minute or two - 
will never use them again!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time 
with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell us 
what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted.  Dex has always 
been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, at 
only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads.  He clung to the 
engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love.  He's been 
with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close to him. 
 We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood cell 
counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive.  He bounced 
back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to normal quickly. 
 It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried immunoregulin, 
acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator.  He's been a trooper through 
it all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr.

So, last night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing us, combined with the 
relative calm he experienced when we were with him and the look of hope in his 
eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm picking him up now and we are taking 
him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center to hopefully start some other 
treatment to pull him out of this.  He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every 
chance to live happily.  

Thanks, everyone.

On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 I think talking with a feline cancer group will be helpful.  I couldn't tell 
 you because I don't know a lot about lymphosarcoma.  I'm sure the vets are 
 telling you to let him go but you have to make the call and don't do it until 
 you're sure so you won't regret it and wonder later on.  I guess it depends 
 on the success rate of doing chemo on lymphosarcoma at this stage.  Maybe you 
 should try to consult with a vet oncologist immediately about his chances.  
 If the chemo could give him several more months is it worth it?  If the chemo 
 could give him another year is it worth it?  Chemo can be rough but I'm in a 
 dog cancer group and usually after a few days of being sick after the chemo 
 treatments the dogs are okay until the next round.  I'm not sure how it 
 affects cats though.  My dog was diagnosed a couple months ago with bone 
 cancer and chemo wasn't an option but radiation was an option for just a few 
 extra months with him.  I asked myself those questions about how long would 
 it give him and would the pain he would endure be worth it.  It's different 
 for me because my dog is old so I had to take that into consideration.  Seems 
 like I read in one of the e-mails that Dexter isn't that old.  Anyway, I had 
 a little time because my dog wasn't in pain so I talked with two different 
 oncologist and they both said the same thing.  Talking with an specialist 
 made me feel better about my decision.One thing I have learned from the dog 
 bone cancer group I'm in is that there are no wrong decisions.  You do what 
 you think is right for Dexter.  You know Dexter better than any vet so it's 
 your call and it won't be a wrong decision.Maureen
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 From: skastel...@cicresearch.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:55:58 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best decision for Dex will become 
 obvious to you, whatever that is.  The most difficult decision is deciding 
 that his quality of life...tubes, pills, anything out of the ordinary on a 
 morre than temporary basis, would serve only those who will be left behind.  
 God bless you and your family as you wrestle with this difficult decision.  
 Dexter

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
So happy you are all together again!   Oh...those poor unfortunate people who 
think animals can't communicate!  Best of luck today.  Sara


--Original Mail--
From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time 
with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell us 
what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has always been 
a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, at only 
4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads. He clung to the 
engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love. He's been 
with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close to him. 
We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood cell 
counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive. He bounced 
back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to normal quickly. 
It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried immunoregulin, 
acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator. He's been a trooper through it 
all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr. So, last night, his wagging tail 
and happiness at seeing us, combined with the relative calm he experienced when 
we were with him and the look of hope in his eyes told us we couldn't give up. 
So, I'm picking him up now and we are taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet 
Center to hopefully start some other treatment to pull him out of this. He's a 
beautiful boy and we owe him every chance to live happily. Thanks, everyone. On 
Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:   I 
think talking with a feline cancer group will be helpful. I couldn't tell you 
because I don't know a lot about lymphosarcoma. I'm sure the vets are telling 
you to let him go but you have to make the call and don't do it until you're 
sure so you won't regret it and wonder later on. I guess it depends on the 
success rate of doing chemo on lymphosarcoma at this stage. Maybe you should 
try to consult with a vet oncologist immediately about his chances. If the 
chemo could give him several more months is it worth it? If the chemo could 
give him another year is it worth it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog 
cancer group and usually after a few days of being sick after the chemo 
treatments the dogs are okay until the next round. I'm not sure how it affects 
cats though. My dog was diagnosed a couple months ago with bone cancer and 
chemo wasn't an option but radiation was an option for just a few extra months 
with him. I asked myself those questions about how long would it give him and 
would the pain he would endure be worth it. It's different for me because my 
dog is old so I had to take that into consideration. Seems like I read in one 
of the e-mails that Dexter isn't that old. Anyway, I had a little time because 
my dog wasn't in pain so I talked with two different oncologist and they both 
said the same thing. Talking with an specialist made me feel better about my 
decision.One thing I have learned from the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that 
there are no wrong decisions. You do what you think is right for Dexter. You 
know Dexter better than any vet so it's your call and it won't be a wrong 
decision.Maureen   “I am not interested to know whether vivisection 
produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain 
which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward 
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking 
further.” – Mark Twain   From: skastel...@cicresearch.com  To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:55:58 -0700  Subject: 
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter   Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best 
decision for Dex will become obvious to you, whatever that is. The most 
difficult decision is deciding that his quality of life...tubes, pills, 
anything out of the ordinary on a morre than temporary basis, would serve only 
those who will be left behind. God bless you and your family as you wrestle 
with this difficult decision. Dexterwe love you. Please..let your beloved 
Daddy look in your eyes and tell him what you need. Sara 
--Original Mail--  From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com  To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 
2011 21:25:37 -0500  Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter   We are having a hard 
time making a very tough decision for Dexter. In the past three days, Dex has 
suffered facial and paw swelling and has started having difficulty breathing. 
Today has been bad and he is now receiving oxygen at the Dallas emergency vet 
clinic. X-rays show that he has lymph node involvement in every area and his 
liver and spleen are enlarged

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Ben Williams
They most certainly can communicate and they do it all the time.  Cats 
naturally don't communicate verbally with each other, so when your cat meows at 
you, he's trying to speak your language, so to speak.  If that's not direct 
communication, I don't know what is...

We have Dex at his vet clinic now... He's calmer and more relaxed. He's 
starting chemo immediately.  

Thanks everyone...

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote:

 So happy you are all together again!   Oh...those poor unfortunate people who 
 think animals can't communicate!  Best of luck today.  Sara
 
 
 --Original Mail--
 From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time 
 with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell 
 us what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has always 
 been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, 
 at only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads. He clung to 
 the engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love. He's 
 been with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close 
 to him. We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood 
 cell counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive. He 
 bounced back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to 
 normal quickly. It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried 
 immunoregulin, acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator. He's been a 
 trooper through it all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr. So, last 
 night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing us, combined with the 
 relative calm he experienced when we were with him and the look of hope in 
 his eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm picking him up now and we are 
 taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center to hopefully start some other 
 treatment to pull him out of this. He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every 
 chance to live happily. Thanks, everyone. On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen 
 Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:   I think talking with a feline cancer 
 group will be helpful. I couldn't tell you because I don't know a lot about 
 lymphosarcoma. I'm sure the vets are telling you to let him go but you have 
 to make the call and don't do it until you're sure so you won't regret it and 
 wonder later on. I guess it depends on the success rate of doing chemo on 
 lymphosarcoma at this stage. Maybe you should try to consult with a vet 
 oncologist immediately about his chances. If the chemo could give him several 
 more months is it worth it? If the chemo could give him another year is it 
 worth it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog cancer group and usually after 
 a few days of being sick after the chemo treatments the dogs are okay until 
 the next round. I'm not sure how it affects cats though. My dog was diagnosed 
 a couple months ago with bone cancer and chemo wasn't an option but radiation 
 was an option for just a few extra months with him. I asked myself those 
 questions about how long would it give him and would the pain he would endure 
 be worth it. It's different for me because my dog is old so I had to take 
 that into consideration. Seems like I read in one of the e-mails that Dexter 
 isn't that old. Anyway, I had a little time because my dog wasn't in pain so 
 I talked with two different oncologist and they both said the same thing. 
 Talking with an specialist made me feel better about my decision.One thing I 
 have learned from the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that there are no wrong 
 decisions. You do what you think is right for Dexter. You know Dexter better 
 than any vet so it's your call and it won't be a wrong decision.Maureen   
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain 
   From: skastel...@cicresearch.com  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:55:58 -0700  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter   
 Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best decision for Dex will become 
 obvious to you, whatever that is. The most difficult decision is deciding 
 that his quality of life...tubes, pills, anything out of the ordinary on a 
 morre than temporary basis, would serve only those who will be left behind. 
 God bless you and your family as you wrestle with this difficult decision. 
 Dexterwe love you. Please..let your beloved Daddy look in your eyes and 
 tell him what you need. Sara --Original Mail--  From: 
 Ben

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Ben
I'm so sorry to hear of little Dexter's health problem.  I pray that, no matter 
what happens, he does not suffer...nor do you.  It is obvious you have a heart 
connection with Dex, and that is a precious gift many never open themselves to. 
 It's nearly impossible to feel one is making the right decision in the 
moment -- for humans or other animals who are in our care.  We pray for wisdom, 
listen for guidance, and do the best we can.  Here's to love and peace 
surrounding you both.
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

They most certainly can communicate and they do it all the time.  Cats 
naturally don't communicate verbally with each other, so when your cat meows at 
you, he's trying to speak your language, so to speak.  If that's not direct 
communication, I don't know what is...

We have Dex at his vet clinic now... He's calmer and more relaxed. He's 
starting chemo immediately.  

Thanks everyone...

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote:

 So happy you are all together again!   Oh...those poor unfortunate people who 
 think animals can't communicate!  Best of luck today.  Sara
 
 
 --Original Mail--
 From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time 
 with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell 
 us what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has always 
 been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, 
 at only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads. He clung to 
 the engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love. He's 
 been with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close 
 to him. We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood 
 cell counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive. He 
 bounced back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to 
 normal quickly. It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried 
 immunoregulin, acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator. He's been a 
 trooper through it all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr. So, last 
 night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing us, combined with the 
 relative calm he experienced when we were with him and the look of hope in 
 his eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm picking him up now and we are 
 taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center to hopefully start some other 
 treatment to pull him out of this. He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every 
 chance to live happily. Thanks, everyone. On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen 
 Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:   I think talking with a feline cancer 
 group will be helpful. I couldn't tell you because I don't know a lot about 
 lymphosarcoma. I'm sure the vets are telling you to let him go but you have 
 to make the call and don't do it until you're sure so you won't regret it and 
 wonder later on. I guess it depends on the success rate of doing chemo on 
 lymphosarcoma at this stage. Maybe you should try to consult with a vet 
 oncologist immediately about his chances. If the chemo could give him several 
 more months is it worth it? If the chemo could give him another year is it wo
rth it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog cancer group and usually after a 
few days of being sick after the chemo treatments the dogs are okay until the 
next round. I'm not sure how it affects cats though. My dog was diagnosed a 
couple months ago with bone cancer and chemo wasn't an option but radiation was 
an option for just a few extra months with him. I asked myself those questions 
about how long would it give him and would the pain he would endure be worth 
it. It's different for me because my dog is old so I had to take that into 
consideration. Seems like I read in one of the e-mails that Dexter isn't that 
old. Anyway, I had a little time because my dog wasn't in pain so I talked with 
two different oncologist and they both said the same thing. Talking with an 
specialist made me feel better about my decision.One thing I have learned from 
the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that there are no wrong decisions. You do 
what you think is right for Dexter. You know Dexter better than any vet so it's 
your call and it won't be a wrong decision.Maureen   “I am not interested to 
know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race 
or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis 
of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Maureen Olvey

I think you made a good decision because you will know that you have tried 
everything possible for him.  I think wondering if you did enough is the worse 
thing.  So no matter which way it goes you won't have any guilt.Dexter sounds 
like a wonderful boy and I pray he pulls right out of this like he did with the 
situation last October.  Please keep us posted because I would love to know how 
this works for him.  I would love to be able to tell other people that just 
because their cat has FeLV and lymphosarcoma it doesn't mean he's a goner and I 
can tell them all about Dexter's success story.Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:13:06 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 They most certainly can communicate and they do it all the time.  Cats 
 naturally don't communicate verbally with each other, so when your cat meows 
 at you, he's trying to speak your language, so to speak.  If that's not 
 direct communication, I don't know what is...
 
 We have Dex at his vet clinic now... He's calmer and more relaxed. He's 
 starting chemo immediately.  
 
 Thanks everyone...
 
 On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com 
 wrote:
 
  So happy you are all together again!   Oh...those poor unfortunate people 
  who think animals can't communicate!  Best of luck today.  Sara
  
  
  --Original Mail--
  From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
  
  Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some 
  time with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would 
  tell us what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has 
  always been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had 
  carried him, at only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy 
  roads. He clung to the engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but 
  full of love. He's been with us since then (only a year and a half) and we 
  have become so close to him. We were told he didn't have a chance last 
  October when his red blood cell counts were at 3 and we discovered he was 
  felv and fiv positive. He bounced back quickly from the blood transfusion 
  and seemed to return to normal quickly. It's been tough for the last three 
  weeks as we've tried immunoregulin, acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell 
  immunomodulator. He's been a trooper through it all and always has a sweet 
  chirp and a purr. So, last night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing 
  us, combined with the relative calm he experienced when we were with him 
  and the look of hope in his eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm 
  picking him up now and we are taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet 
  Center to hopefully start some other treatment to pull him out of this. 
  He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every chance to live happily. Thanks, 
  everyone. On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com 
  wrote:   I think talking with a feline cancer group will be helpful. I 
  couldn't tell you because I don't know a lot about lymphosarcoma. I'm sure 
  the vets are telling you to let him go but you have to make the call and 
  don't do it until you're sure so you won't regret it and wonder later on. I 
  guess it depends on the success rate of doing chemo on lymphosarcoma at 
  this stage. Maybe you should try to consult with a vet oncologist 
  immediately about his chances. If the chemo could give him several more 
  months is it worth it? If the chemo could give him another year is it worth 
  it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog cancer group and usually after a 
  few days of being sick after the chemo treatments the dogs are okay until 
  the next round. I'm not sure how it affects cats though. My dog was 
  diagnosed a couple months ago with bone cancer and chemo wasn't an option 
  but radiation was an option for just a few extra months with him. I asked 
  myself those questions about how long would it give him and would the pain 
  he would endure be worth it. It's different for me because my dog is old so 
  I had to take that into consideration. Seems like I read in one of the 
  e-mails that Dexter isn't that old. Anyway, I had a little time because my 
  dog wasn't in pain so I talked with two different oncologist and they both 
  said the same thing. Talking with an specialist made me feel better about 
  my decision.One thing I have learned from the dog bone cancer group I'm in 
  is that there are no wrong decisions. You do what you

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread dlgegg
My bunch talks to me all the time, sometimes vocally and sometimes by body 
language.  But, talk they do.
 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Ben
I'm so sorry to hear of little Dexter's health problem.  I pray that, no matter 
what happens, he does not suffer...nor do you.  It is obvious you have a heart 
connection with Dex, and that is a precious gift many never open themselves to. 
 It's nearly impossible to feel one is making the right decision in the 
moment -- for humans or other animals who are in our care.  We pray for wisdom, 
listen for guidance, and do the best we can.  Here's to love and peace 
surrounding you both.
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

They most certainly can communicate and they do it all the time.  Cats 
naturally don't communicate verbally with each other, so when your cat meows at 
you, he's trying to speak your language, so to speak.  If that's not direct 
communication, I don't know what is...

We have Dex at his vet clinic now... He's calmer and more relaxed. He's 
starting chemo immediately.  

Thanks everyone...

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote:

 So happy you are all together again!   Oh...those poor unfortunate people who 
 think animals can't communicate!  Best of luck today.  Sara
 
 
 --Original Mail--
 From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time 
 with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell 
 us what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has always 
 been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, 
 at only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads. He clung to 
 the engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love. He's 
 been with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close 
 to him. We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood 
 cell counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive. He 
 bounced back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to 
 normal quickly. It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried 
 immunoregulin, acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator. He's been a 
 trooper through it all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr. So, last 
 night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing us, combined with the 
 relative calm he experienced when we were with him and the look of hope in 
 his eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm picking him up now and we are 
 taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center to hopefully start some other 
 treatment to pull him out of this. He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every 
 chance to live happily. Thanks, everyone. On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen 
 Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:   I think talking with a feline cancer 
 group will be helpful. I couldn't tell you because I don't know a lot about 
 lymphosarcoma. I'm sure the vets are telling you to let him go but you have 
 to make the call and don't do it until you're sure so you won't regret it and 
 wonder later on. I guess it depends on the success rate of doing chemo on 
 lymphosarcoma at this stage. Maybe you should try to consult with a vet 
 oncologist immediately about his chances. If the chemo could give him several 
 more months is it worth it? If the chemo could give him another year is it wo
rth it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog cancer group and usually after a 
few days of being sick after the chemo treatments the dogs are okay until the 
next round. I'm not sure how it affects cats though. My dog was diagnosed a 
couple months ago with bone cancer and chemo wasn't an option but radiation was 
an option for just a few extra months with him. I asked myself those questions 
about how long would it give him and would the pain he would endure be worth 
it. It's different for me because my dog is old so I had to take that into 
consideration. Seems like I read in one of the e-mails that Dexter isn't that 
old. Anyway, I had a little time because my dog wasn't in pain so I talked with 
two different oncologist and they both said the same thing. Talking with an 
specialist made me feel better about my decision.One thing I have learned from 
the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that there are no wrong decisions. You do 
what you think is right for Dexter. You know Dexter better than any vet so it's 
your call and it won't be a wrong decision.Maureen   “I am not interested to 
know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-04 Thread Heather
I would suggest also posting to the Feline Cancer group, I am so sorry and hope 
you can determine what is best for Dexter. I will be thinking of him. 

Heather in Tampa

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On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

 We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter.  In the 
 past three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started 
 having difficulty breathing.  Today has been bad and he is now receiving 
 oxygen at the Dallas emergency vet clinic.  X-rays show that he has lymph 
 node involvement in every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and have 
 move out of the proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 4 of 
 lymphosarcoma. He is whimpering and obviously in pain.  We don't want to give 
 up and we are willing to do chemo for him. We want to do what's best for 
 Dexter, but it is so hard to make that final decision.  Is it time for his 
 suffering to be over? Does he have a chance?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-04 Thread Lynda Wilson
That's a very difficult decision. Only you can make it. Just keep in mind 
his quality of life and ask the vet about his chances. Factor in his age as 
well.  I'm glad though that you have an open mind and lots of hope.  You 
will make the right decision.


I'll be thinking of him and hoping for the best!

Good luck to you and Dexter!!
Lynda
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From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com

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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:25 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter


We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter.  In the 
past three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started 
having difficulty breathing.  Today has been bad and he is now receiving 
oxygen at the Dallas emergency vet clinic.  X-rays show that he has lymph 
node involvement in every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and 
have move out of the proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 
4 of lymphosarcoma. He is whimpering and obviously in pain.  We don't want 
to give up and we are willing to do chemo for him. We want to do what's 
best for Dexter, but it is so hard to make that final decision.  Is it 
time for his suffering to be over? Does he have a chance?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-04 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best decision for Dex will become 
obvious to you, whatever that is.  The most difficult decision is deciding that 
his quality of life...tubes, pills, anything out of the ordinary on a morre 
than temporary basis, would serve only those who will be left behind.  God 
bless you and your family as you wrestle with this difficult decision.  
Dexterwe love you.  Please..let your beloved Daddy look in your eyes and 
tell him what you need.  Sara



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Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:25:37 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter

We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter. In the past 
three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started having 
difficulty breathing. Today has been bad and he is now receiving oxygen at the 
Dallas emergency vet clinic. X-rays show that he has lymph node involvement in 
every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and have move out of the 
proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 4 of lymphosarcoma. He is 
whimpering and obviously in pain. We don't want to give up and we are willing 
to do chemo for him. We want to do what's best for Dexter, but it is so hard to 
make that final decision. Is it time for his suffering to be over? Does he have 
a chance? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-06-21 Thread 2nd Hotmail
Our cat was put on LTCI, Interferon, and Prednisolone. The Pred keeps his 
hematocrit normal. 

Christy Stetler

On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, everyone...
 
 This is my first post to the list -- I just joined a few minutes ago.  I'm
 writing in regards to my cat, Dexter.  Dexter was diagnosed with FeLV and
 FIV this past October when he suffered a severe bout of life-threatening
 anemia.  By the time we found a vet who had any idea what was going on with
 Dex (We had a slew of ridiculous diagnoses; including heartworm and herpes),
 he was in need of a blood transfusion.  The transfusion (at a whopping
 $2200) and Acemannan treatment saved Dex's life and he bounced back within a
 matter of weeks.  All has been great with Dex - he's been on Interferon
 Alpha 2B since and has been in seemingly great health.  Until, that is, last
 week.  After seeing Dex start to show minute signs of anemia again, a quick
 trip to the doctor confirmed that the infection was active and that Dex was
 heading back down the same path as last October.  Since then, we've been
 racking our brains trying to figure out what to do for Dex.  Our Doctor, Dr.
 Benjamin Wright at Lakewood Vet Center in Dallas, has been exceptional.
 He's been open to just about anything we can try to help Dex.  As such, we
 started Dex on Immunoregulin this past Friday and Dex just had his second
 injection this morning.  Unfortunately, Dex has seemed to go down hill in
 the last 24 hours.  He was at a relative high point on Sunday, seemed very
 happy and lively, but as of yesterday and today, he is lethargic again and
 obviously not happy at all, while his breathing has also become more
 labored. Dr. Wright and I have been trying to contact the folks who make the
 T-Cell Immunomodulator drug, but can't seem to get a call back from them.
 Obviously, as I'm sure you all know, Carrington Labs, the makers of
 Acemannan, are officially out of business as well, so that doesn't seem to
 be an option.  We also contacted the vet hospital that makes the Interferon
 Omega packet available and haven't had a response from them.  Where do we go
 from here... Dex is only a year and a half old and is such a special cat.
 We just want to do everything we can to help him.  We'd do another blood
 transfusion, but that's just too expensive at the moment.
 
 Thanks for reading,
 
 Ben
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