Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-31 Thread Beth
Heather I went through this with my 1st FeLV. I was hesitant to spay her, but 
when she went into heat (I'd never seen ANY cat in heat before) I figured the 
stress of that was far worse than the stress of the spay. She needs to be 
spayed regardless of the outcome of the retest.
Beth
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From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15 PM

Hello,

Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.

I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.  I
asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
back to me.

Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-31 Thread Heather
Yes, she will be spayed regardless of the outcome, we've spayed/neutered all
FELV+ rescues in the past but wanted to wait till her restet, she is not
with any other cats so we will retest  spay her soon.

Thank you all for the input!!!

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Heather I went through this with my 1st FeLV. I was hesitant to spay her,
 but when she went into heat (I'd never seen ANY cat in heat before) I
 figured the stress of that was far worse than the stress of the spay. She
 needs to be spayed regardless of the outcome of the retest.
 Beth
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 --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15 PM

 Hello,

 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.

 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
 I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
 back to me.

 Thanks!

 Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-29 Thread Natalie
Just a quickie about special foods...one of my FIV+ cats. living with three
others in a room, has crystals and to make sure he ate his food, all the
others get it as well.  I've noticed that many cats, whenever on special
diets, prefer the dry version to cans.  I serve them both - dry portion on
top or right next to the canned - and they always eat it up. Sometimes I
flavor the special diet with a little bit of juices from regular
food...works like a charm! Natalie

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Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Heather
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

since she is in heat, can you keep her seperate from males?  give her lots
of love and attention and use Felway to keep the stress level down.  i
spayed both of my positive girls.  the vet said to keep them seperate for a
week so she could heal.  i have had no problems with either girl.  Annie and
Nitnoy are treated just like the others, go in and out, eat Blue buffalo
(all prefer the duck formula) and have the run of the house.  all my girls
are healthy with 2 exceptions:  Homey had urine crystals, would not eat
special diet foods which prompted the change to Blue Buffalo which has no
wheat, soy or corn.  she is doing much better now.  Bob had a bladder
infection and is on antibiotics (last 3 days) and doing better.
i would say let her settle in with your other cats and then spay her.
 Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Hello,
 
 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and
is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right
now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to
get
 back to me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-28 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Thanks, agreed here.  We've always had such a great, supportive and  
informative list here on FELVtalk.  And although there are some  
disagreements, this particular topic has been helpful.


Gloria


On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Barb Moermond wrote:


I think that in order to keep this a civil and safe place to exchange
information, we need to please address any issues we have with other
list-members directly to them - off list.  It's also a good idea to  
evaluate
whether it's the content of the message that irks or the way it is  
being
perceived - and then to also remember that plain text does not  
convey any other

secondary communication - body language, tone etc.

my .02
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My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.   
Merely living his

life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

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From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:13:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do  
we spay?




Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not  
the only
one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect  
other
people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would  
do' scenario
based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many  
many years
and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a  
novice when it

comes to these matters.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-28 Thread dlgegg
since she is in heat, can you keep her seperate from males?  give her lots of 
love and attention and use Felway to keep the stress level down.  i spayed both 
of my positive girls.  the vet said to keep them seperate for a week so she 
could heal.  i have had no problems with either girl.  Annie and Nitnoy are 
treated just like the others, go in and out, eat Blue buffalo (all prefer the 
duck formula) and have the run of the house.  all my girls are healthy with 2 
exceptions:  Homey had urine crystals, would not eat special diet foods which 
prompted the change to Blue Buffalo which has no wheat, soy or corn.  she is 
doing much better now.  Bob had a bladder infection and is on antibiotics (last 
3 days) and doing better.
i would say let her settle in with your other cats and then spay her.
 Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Hello,
 
 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.  I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
 back to me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-28 Thread Sharyl
Heather,
I have spayed 6 FeLV girls and neutered 2 FeLV boys - all rescues.  None of the 
girls were in heat.  If you can, it would be better until this heat cycle is 
over to spay her.  That would also give you a chance to feed her a good diet 
for a couple of weeks to build up her system.

Spaying her will be less stressful than repeated heat cycles.
Good luck
Sharyl

  Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 wrote: 
  Hello,
  
  Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese
 rescue kitty who tested
  FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial
 light positive) and is
  awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress
 her immune system so
  were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of
 weeks ago) but I was
  worried this would likely happen, she is in
 heat.  I would guess that is
  also a stress to her system, but am not really sure
 what we should do.
  
  I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral
 cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
  always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing
 the FELV is right now
  the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany
 input is appreciated.  I
  asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to
 advise  is going to get
  back to me.
  
  Thanks!
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Michelle Brockman

Hi Heather,
 
I also do TNR so I know where you're coming from. We actually had this same 
situation happen to us a couple months ago with our 5 mo old kitten we plucked 
from a colony that tested 'light' positive. We only test ferals if we can find 
them a home (like kittens). Anyway, our vet said that since we were keeping her 
indoors and secluded it would be best to NOT spay her until we retest in 2 
months because the spay and vaccines WOULD weaken the immune system further. 
And if she did test postive after the the 2 months he suggested not spaying her 
at all and just keeping her indoors. 
 
Thankfully she tested negative after the two months and did get spayed but the 
urgency from the vet was to not do anything that would 'shock' her system and 
make her immune system weaker. 
 
Hope this helps!  


 
Michelle Brockman
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 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:15:43 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 
 Hello,
 
 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat. I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated. I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
 back to me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread MaryChristine
if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.

if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.

BUT:

here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
(tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives

a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
infection (antibodies).

send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines

she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.

some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.

have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.

wordy as ever,
MC
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Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Heather
Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
placement, etc.  We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).

My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.

It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
to proceed with spay or not.  I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)

This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
blood...it is quite stressful for her.  I'm at work so will re-read  read
the links, thanks for sending!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
 result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
 you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
 shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
 any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.

 if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.

 BUT:

 here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
 who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
 (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
 there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives

 a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
 infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
 infection (antibodies).

 send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
 enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines

 she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
 veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
 viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.

 some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
 greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
 out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.

 have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
 FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
 just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
 looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.

 wordy as ever,
 MC
 --
 Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
 Maybe That'll Make The Difference

 MaryChristine
 Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org
 )
 Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





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  Hello,
 
  Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
  FIV/FELV positive

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Heather
This is very helpful Michelle, thank you!!!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.comwrote:


 Hi Heather,

 I also do TNR so I know where you're coming from. We actually had this same
 situation happen to us a couple months ago with our 5 mo old kitten we
 plucked from a colony that tested 'light' positive. We only test ferals if
 we can find them a home (like kittens). Anyway, our vet said that since we
 were keeping her indoors and secluded it would be best to NOT spay her until
 we retest in 2 months because the spay and vaccines WOULD weaken the immune
 system further. And if she did test postive after the the 2 months he
 suggested not spaying her at all and just keeping her indoors.

 Thankfully she tested negative after the two months and did get spayed but
 the urgency from the vet was to not do anything that would 'shock' her
 system and make her immune system weaker.

 Hope this helps!



 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be
 remembered






  Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:15:43 -0400
  From: furrygi...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
  
  Hello,
 
  Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
  FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and
 is
  awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
  were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
  worried this would likely happen, she is in heat. I would guess that is
  also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
  I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
  always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right
 now
  the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
 I
  asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to
 get
  back to me.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Michelle Brockman

You're welcome. I would like to add that if you retest ONLY retest with a 
different type of test, they can send out blood to a lab too if you want to 
avoid the faulty snap test issue. It is not recommended that cats be retested 
before at least 2 months have passed - if it is a positive result the cat may 
not have had time to supress the virus and you would still get the same result 
as the previous test. 
 
If it were me I would ask someone to foster it for the two months until spaying 
to be sure. If she isn't pregnant and only in heat you can keep her from 
getting pregnant but you can't undo damage to the immune system as easily. This 
all is of course if she isn't a feral that needs to back outside.  


 
Michelle Brockman
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 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:59:47 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 
 Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
 a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
 only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
 who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
 placement, etc. We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
 practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
 back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
 on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).
 
 My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
 situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.
 
 It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
 just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
 to proceed with spay or not. I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
 so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
 seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)
 
 This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
 blood...it is quite stressful for her. I'm at work so will re-read  read
 the links, thanks for sending!
 
 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
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  )
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello,
  
   Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
   FIV/FELV positive
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread MaryChristine
michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.

if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
the recommended requirement, not 60.

but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
the OLD tests.

MC
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

 You're welcome. I would like to add that if you retest ONLY retest with a 
 different type of test, they can send out blood to a lab too if you want to 
 avoid the faulty snap test issue. It is not recommended that cats be retested 
 before at least 2 months have passed - if it is a positive result the cat may 
 not have had time to supress the virus and you would still get the same 
 result as the previous test.

 If it were me I would ask someone to foster it for the two months until 
 spaying to be sure. If she isn't pregnant and only in heat you can keep her 
 from getting pregnant but you can't undo damage to the immune system as 
 easily. This all is of course if she isn't a feral that needs to back outside.



 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be 
 remembered






 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:59:47 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

 Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
 a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
 only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
 who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
 placement, etc. We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
 practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
 back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
 on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).

 My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
 situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.

 It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
 just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
 to proceed with spay or not. I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
 so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
 seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)

 This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
 blood...it is quite stressful for her. I'm at work so will re-read  read
 the links, thanks for sending!

 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
  --
  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org
  )
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 27

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Michelle Brockman




I said if she is going to retest right away then to use another type of test. 
Not to NOT re-test.  And yes 90 days is better but it can be done as soon as 
60, if you need me to give you references of the 60 day time period from 
medical journals I'll be more than happy to do that. We used to only rescue 
FeLV + cats and always retested in 60 days and that was ample time for an 
accurate result. My vet, who is also FeLV friendly and is greatly respected in 
my community/county also adheres to the 60 day policy. 
 
Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' scenario 
based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many many years 
and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a novice when it 
comes to these matters. 

And I do not believe that the cat in question is at risk of being euthanized 
because of a faulty test result at this point. Yes, it happens in other 
scenarios and cases but we are not talking about those cases. Not every vet and 
as time goes on not many vets will have the old snap tests which is why I 
suggest (as stated in my previous e-mail) sending the blood off to be lab 
tested to avoid snap test errors. It is not practical for most people with busy 
lives, especially ones with active 'rescue' careers to call from vet to vet or 
vet 'hop' to find old tests. Perhaps you should lobby the manufacturer and urge 
them to improve their test so other cats in different circumstances with 
ignorant owners and shelter staff have a real chance at life. That is all I 
have to say about that.  


 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:23:20 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 
 michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.
 
 if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
 proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
 the recommended requirement, not 60.
 
 but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
 this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
 that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
 the OLD tests.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread MaryChristine
i do not believe that this belongs on this list; i have responded privately.

MC
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:




 I said if she is going to retest right away then to use another type of test. 
 Not to NOT re-test.  And yes 90 days is better but it can be done as soon as 
 60, if you need me to give you references of the 60 day time period from 
 medical journals I'll be more than happy to do that. We used to only rescue 
 FeLV + cats and always retested in 60 days and that was ample time for an 
 accurate result. My vet, who is also FeLV friendly and is greatly respected 
 in my community/county also adheres to the 60 day policy.

 Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
 one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
 people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' 
 scenario based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many 
 many years and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a 
 novice when it comes to these matters.

 And I do not believe that the cat in question is at risk of being euthanized 
 because of a faulty test result at this point. Yes, it happens in other 
 scenarios and cases but we are not talking about those cases. Not every vet 
 and as time goes on not many vets will have the old snap tests which is why I 
 suggest (as stated in my previous e-mail) sending the blood off to be lab 
 tested to avoid snap test errors. It is not practical for most people with 
 busy lives, especially ones with active 'rescue' careers to call from vet to 
 vet or vet 'hop' to find old tests. Perhaps you should lobby the manufacturer 
 and urge them to improve their test so other cats in different circumstances 
 with ignorant owners and shelter staff have a real chance at life. That is 
 all I have to say about that.


 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:23:20 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

 michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.

 if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
 proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
 the recommended requirement, not 60.

 but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
 this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
 that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
 the OLD tests.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Barb Moermond
I think that in order to keep this a civil and safe place to exchange 
information, we need to please address any issues we have with other 
list-members directly to them - off list.  It's also a good idea to evaluate 
whether it's the content of the message that irks or the way it is being 
perceived - and then to also remember that plain text does not convey any other 
secondary communication - body language, tone etc.

my .02
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My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 

- Anonymous





From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:13:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?



Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' scenario 
based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many many years 
and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a novice when it 
comes to these matters. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

2010-08-27 Thread Kim


Can anyone tell me when the NEW FeLV test came out?  

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a
shelter today.

 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine
twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
  --
  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
(www.purebredcats.org
  )
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
.org


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