Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-25 Thread Maureen Olvey

I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and is 
given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you bought for 
the collies but I'm not positive about it.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health 
ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and 
that was one of the things we used to help treat them.


Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:





I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die.  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Maureen
I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat 
didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today 
that there can definitely

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-25 Thread Marcia Baronda
I just had a thought...I have the Plumb Veterinary drug handbook and maybe I
can find it in there. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks for all your
info.(-:

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.comwrote:

  I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet
 and is given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you
 bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it.



 *“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain*

  --
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


 I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal
 Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic
 mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them.

 Thanks so much
 Marcia

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
 wrote:

   I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more
 vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about
 it.  But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats,
 even Fletch.

 What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell
 count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from
 others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for
 his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't
 give up.  If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's
 not much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do
 if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume
 he is going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more
 aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep
 fighting.  If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't
 just say let him die.  The cat may have a flare up of something or another
 and then he is fine for the rest of his life.

 Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've
 taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the
 vet tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as
 FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't
 heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing
 them.  But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an
 opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the
 cat recovered.  The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He
 had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round
 of Clavamox later and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a
 half years ago.  He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others
 that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they
 wouldn't recover because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both
 cases and the cats are now fine.

 FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful
 eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if
 funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and
 treat it.

 And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what
 I normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy
 cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't
 appreciate God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so
 what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to
 do whatever you can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from
 God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the
 way I say it nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to
 kiss my animal loving butt!


 *“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain*


   --
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-25 Thread Christiane Biagi
Are u sure you don't mean Ivermectin for demodectic mange?  If so, BE VERY
CAREFUL-collies  various herding breeds can carry a genetic mutation that
makes giving them Ivermectin (that's the stuff in Heartgard)

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 

I just had a thought...I have the Plumb Veterinary drug handbook and maybe I
can find it in there. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks for all your
info.(-:  

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
wrote:

I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and
is given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you
bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it. 




I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

  _  

From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed 

 

I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal
Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic
mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them.

 

Thanks so much

Marcia

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
wrote:

I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

- Original Message - 

From: Maureen Olvey mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 

It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell
count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from
others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his
symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give
up.  If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not
much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he
didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is
going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive
with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If
later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let
him die.  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he
is fine for the rest of his life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet
tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV
but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal
from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But
in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity
to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.
The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and
the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later
and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.
He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in
that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover
because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the
cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful
eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if
funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and
treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't
appreciate God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so
what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to
do whatever you can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from
God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the
way I say it nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to
kiss my animal loving butt!


I am not interested to know

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-24 Thread dlgegg
RE:  NON CAT LOVERS

tHANK you for stating it so well.  I especially agree with the last part!


 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
 and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
 But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
 Fletch.  
  
 What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell 
 count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from 
 others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his 
 symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give 
 up.  If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not 
 much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he 
 didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is 
 going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with 
 his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on 
 he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die. 
  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for 
 the rest of his life.
  
 Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
 two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet 
 tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV 
 but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal 
 from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But 
 in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to 
 heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  
 The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and 
 the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later 
 and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  
 He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in 
 that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover 
 because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the 
 cats are now fine.
  
 FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful 
 eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
 permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
  
 And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
 normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
 (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
 God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
 wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you 
 can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love 
 is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it 
 nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal 
 loving butt!
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
 
 
 
 
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 
 Maureen
 I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
 as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv 
 cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you 
 today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so 
 grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because 
 sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are!
 Thank you Maureen. 
 Please take care
 Marcia
 
 Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV 
 positive cat.  Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she 
 tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway, the two lived together for two years 
 until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative.  I've 
 got a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so 
 far but they've all been negative.  None are vaccinated against FeLV either.  
 It's weird.  I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it.  I'm glad he 
 didn't of course.
  
 One vet I talked to said that it's possible the FeLV kitty put the virus into 
 dormancy as a kitten which is why she tested negative and then 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Marcia Baronda
AMEN!!! I finally realized I dont owe THEM an explanation. I think every little 
beings life is important to that being and if I can help save that life, I will.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
 and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
 But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
 Fletch.  
  
 What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell 
 count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from 
 others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his 
 symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give 
 up.  If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not 
 much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he 
 didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is 
 going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with 
 his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on 
 he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die. 
  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for 
 the rest of his life.
  
 Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
 two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet 
 tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV 
 but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal 
 from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But 
 in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to 
 heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  
 The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and 
 the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later 
 and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  
 He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in 
 that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover 
 because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the 
 cats are now fine.
  
 FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful 
 eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
 permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
  
 And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
 normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
 (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
 God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
 wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you 
 can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love 
 is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it 
 nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal 
 loving butt!
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 Maureen
 I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
 as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv 
 cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you 
 today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so 
 grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because 
 sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are!
 Thank you Maureen. 
 Please take care
 Marcia
 
 Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV 
 positive cat.  Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she 
 tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway, the two lived together for two years 
 until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative.  I've 
 got a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so 
 far but they've all been negative.  None are vaccinated against FeLV either.  
 It's weird.  I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it.  I'm glad he 
 didn't of course.
  
 One vet I talked to said that it's possible the FeLV 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Maureen Olvey

What's funny is that those people who give us grief usually are the ones that 
don't own animals.  Then later when they get a pet a lot of them became the 
sappy animal lovers like we are.   I love it when that happens.  I tell people 
that don't like cats that it's usually because they don't own a cat.  To know 
one is to love one (in most cases).

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:27:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  My 1 year old just diagnosed

AMEN!!! I finally realized I dont owe THEM an explanation. I think every little 
beings life is important to that being and if I can help save that life, I will.

Sent from my iPad
On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die.  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.

 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Maureen
I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat 
didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today 
that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so grateful 
for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because sometimes 
we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Lynda Wilson
I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


  It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
   
  What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell 
count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from 
others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his 
symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  
If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that 
will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he didn't have 
FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die 
everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment 
or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die.  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
   
  Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
   
  FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful 
eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
   
  And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
   



--
  From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


  Maureen
  I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat 
didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today 
that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so grateful 
for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because sometimes 
we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are!
  Thank you Maureen. 
  Please take care
  Marcia

  Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com 
wrote:


Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV 
positive cat.  Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she 
tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway, the two lived together for two years 
until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative.  I've got 
a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so far 
but they've all been negative.  None are vaccinated against FeLV either.  It's 
weird.  I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it.  I'm glad he didn't of 
course.
 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Marcia Baronda
You know what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older. Ya know, I 
know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE 
perks.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful.  That's probably good 
 and bad.  Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people get 
 to me as much.  Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my 
 bluntness.  I am a little worse when it comes to animals though.  I'll tell 
 someone off in a heartbeat.  
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!
 - Original Message -
 From: Maureen Olvey
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
 and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
 But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
 Fletch.  
  
 What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell 
 count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from 
 others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his 
 symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give 
 up.  If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not 
 much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he 
 didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is 
 going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with 
 his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on 
 he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die. 
  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for 
 the rest of his life.
  
 Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
 two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet 
 tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV 
 but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal 
 from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But 
 in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to 
 heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  
 The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and 
 the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later 
 and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  
 He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in 
 that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover 
 because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the 
 cats are now fine.
  
 FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful 
 eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
 permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
  
 And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
 normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
 (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
 God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
 wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you 
 can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love 
 is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it 
 nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal 
 loving butt!
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 Maureen
 I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
 as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Marcia Baronda
I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health 
ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and 
that was one of the things we used to help treat them.

Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

 I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!
 - Original Message -
 From: Maureen Olvey
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
 and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
 But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
 Fletch.  
  
 What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell 
 count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from 
 others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his 
 symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give 
 up.  If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not 
 much that will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he 
 didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is 
 going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with 
 his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on 
 he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die. 
  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for 
 the rest of his life.
  
 Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
 two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet 
 tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV 
 but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal 
 from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But 
 in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to 
 heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  
 The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and 
 the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later 
 and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  
 He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in 
 that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover 
 because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the 
 cats are now fine.
  
 FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful 
 eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
 permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
  
 And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
 normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
 (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
 God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
 wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you 
 can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love 
 is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it 
 nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal 
 loving butt!
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
 
 Maureen
 I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
 as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv 
 cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you 
 today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so 
 grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because 
 sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are!
 Thank you Maureen. 
 Please take care
 Marcia
 
 Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV 
 positive cat.  Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she 
 tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway, the two lived together for two years 
 until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Natalie
YES – age is great!

I can hardly wait to be 80 and more, then I’ll really be able to get away with 
more, like Sophia on Golden Girls

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 

You know what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older. Ya know, I 
know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE 
perks.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful.  That's probably good 
and bad.  Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people get to 
me as much.  Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my bluntness. 
 I am a little worse when it comes to animals though.  I'll tell someone off in 
a heartbeat.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

  _  

From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

- Original Message - 

From: Maureen Olvey mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 

It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die.  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

2011-08-23 Thread Lynda Wilson
I agree totally with you Marcia! I like perks, lol!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marcia Baronda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


  You know what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older. Ya know, 
I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE 
perks.

  Sent from my iPad

  On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful.  That's probably 
good and bad.  Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people 
get to me as much.  Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my 
bluntness.  I am a little worse when it comes to animals though.  I'll tell 
someone off in a heartbeat.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


  It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more 
vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. 
 But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
   
  What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell 
count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from 
others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his 
symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  
If a vet says oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that 
will help because he has FeLV then ask him what he would do if he didn't have 
FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die 
everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment 
or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say let him die.  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
   
  Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've 
taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet 
tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV 
but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from 
his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in 
every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
   
  FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a 
watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So 
if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and 
treat it.
   
  And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you 
what I normally say to them.  Something to the effect of I'd rather be a crazy 
cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't 
appreciate God's Creations!  Better to love too much than too little so what 
exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do 
whatever you can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God 
and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I 
say it nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my 
animal loving butt!


  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient