Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
The vets are giving him fluids, antibiotics and, they told me yesterday evening, starting to force feed him. I thank very much all the support and tips to investigate further into what Miles has. I also believe the disease may have nothing to do with FeLV, although being FeLV+ does not help. Now I am going to read the info you kindly gave me. All the best Luísa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
I'm so sorry about your kitty. He's so fortunate to have you both to love and care for him. I have had double positives get in bad shape like this, although I can't quote the blood parameters. They haven't survived - once they get in bad shape it's hard to come out of it. Doesn't mean he can't of course. As I recall, the last one, B.B., I brought home and gave him fluids and syringed him liquid food, tried various remedies both allopathic and homeopathic, but essentially he just drifted away. Best of luck, thanks for writing. Gloria On Aug 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Luísa Maria Azeredo Rodrigues Coelho (DGR) wrote: Hi everyone Miles, a 6 year-old cat positive for FIV and FeLV, is in a very poor condition and has now been admited to the vet hospital. He was not eating, he vomited and is dehidrated. Miles was a stray cat I took in 2,5 years ago. He stayed with me until December '08 when he was adopted by Joana. Throughtout these years he has always been a very healthy cat. Two weeks ago Joana took him for his vaccines and blood tests. The vet did not vaccinated him because he relies on a 2-year period for vaccination and took his blood for testing. Then he left for holidays and said nothing to Joana about the tests' results. Joana was away for the week-end of 15th -16th and when she got back, Miles did not eat much. On Monday he did not eat at all, he drank a lot of water and urinated a lot, also. Yesterday he vomited and Joana took him to the vet hospital. She rang the other vet's clinic for the tests' results and surprisingly ALT values were almost 10 times the maximum. At the hospital, blood tests were again done, liver parameters were sky high (so much so that some of them did not show up). He is anemic and jaundiced. The ultra-sound did not reveal much. He is now having fluids and antibiotics. The prognosis is bad. Do you have something to share on similar conditions of positive cats? Thanks very much ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
Not a FeLV+ cat but we had a cat in severe liver failure due to not eating (a cat a friend adopted) and she survived. The vet did have to place an E tube (feeding tube that goes in through the neck). Please check out the yahoo group Feline assisted Feeding for great information. My best to you, Joanna and Miles. You are in my prayers. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Luísa Maria Azeredo Rodrigues Coelho (DGR) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:17 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems Hi everyone Miles, a 6 year-old cat positive for FIV and FeLV, is in a very poor condition and has now been admited to the vet hospital. He was not eating, he vomited and is dehidrated. Miles was a stray cat I took in 2,5 years ago. He stayed with me until December '08 when he was adopted by Joana. Throughtout these years he has always been a very healthy cat. Two weeks ago Joana took him for his vaccines and blood tests. The vet did not vaccinated him because he relies on a 2-year period for vaccination and took his blood for testing. Then he left for holidays and said nothing to Joana about the tests' results. Joana was away for the week-end of 15th -16th and when she got back, Miles did not eat much. On Monday he did not eat at all, he drank a lot of water and urinated a lot, also. Yesterday he vomited and Joana took him to the vet hospital. She rang the other vet's clinic for the tests' results and surprisingly ALT values were almost 10 times the maximum. At the hospital, blood tests were again done, liver parameters were sky high (so much so that some of them did not show up). He is anemic and jaundiced. The ultra-sound did not reveal much. He is now having fluids and antibiotics. The prognosis is bad. Do you have something to share on similar conditions of positive cats? Thanks very much ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
Most of the few cats I've experienced this with were not positives, it takes very dedicated nursing care but some definitely can be saved! The one felv+ young kitty a friend adopted from me, who developed hepatic lipidosis, was very sick and did not make it. I have not been the nurse with the HL cats but vet tech friends have been invaluable. A 13 year old cat whose owner died and was very, very sick, did recover and is doing great now despite other problems including having several growths removed. He did have a feeding tube for a bit. We just lost a very, very special rescue and are quite sick over it. Returned from owner (likely negligent) very, very sickvet tech who nursed the above mentioned kitty also nursed her and other than very, very severe weight loss, she was doing much better, numbers normal, then lost after she had to board for 2 days and cared for by others who may not have followed the strict feeding needs (including not free/over feeding) and she lost a pound within 2 days. We are devastated. Skittles was a beautiful, young, dilute tortie/torbie who was originally dumped at my vet pregnant, a weak FIV+. They were going to euthanize her so we picked up her charges, she cleared the FIV and confirmed negative on Western Blot. It seems this kitty never got her fair chance, and it makes no sense as she was as sweet and beautiful as a kitty could ever be. Her home was a good one at first but it seems there were changes this year and Skittles wasn't getting the care or attention she needed. It is quite distressing as it really seemed she'd made it through the worst, though I know recovery from HL is often a tricky vulnerable process. I would really appreciate it if Skittles may be added to the CLS. We've had some other heart wrenching losses and as usual it is hard to keep up. I wish you luck with your kitty, thank you for giving this double-positive boy a loving home. Heather On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Not a FeLV+ cat but we had a cat in severe liver failure due to not eating (a cat a friend adopted) and she survived. The vet did have to place an E tube (feeding tube that goes in through the neck). Please check out the yahoo group Feline assisted Feeding for great information. My best to you, Joanna and Miles. You are in my prayers. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Luísa Maria Azeredo Rodrigues Coelho (DGR) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:17 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems Hi everyone Miles, a 6 year-old cat positive for FIV and FeLV, is in a very poor condition and has now been admited to the vet hospital. He was not eating, he vomited and is dehidrated. Miles was a stray cat I took in 2,5 years ago. He stayed with me until December '08 when he was adopted by Joana. Throughtout these years he has always been a very healthy cat. Two weeks ago Joana took him for his vaccines and blood tests. The vet did not vaccinated him because he relies on a 2-year period for vaccination and took his blood for testing. Then he left for holidays and said nothing to Joana about the tests' results. Joana was away for the week-end of 15th -16th and when she got back, Miles did not eat much. On Monday he did not eat at all, he drank a lot of water and urinated a lot, also. Yesterday he vomited and Joana took him to the vet hospital. She rang the other vet's clinic for the tests' results and surprisingly ALT values were almost 10 times the maximum. At the hospital, blood tests were again done, liver parameters were sky high (so much so that some of them did not show up). He is anemic and jaundiced. The ultra-sound did not reveal much. He is now having fluids and antibiotics. The prognosis is bad. Do you have something to share on similar conditions of positive cats? Thanks very much ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
Actually this reminds me--with Skittles we were also told it was a type of hepatitis, and not HL. Since the vet tech was the one having all of the direct conversations with the vet, I had mistaken that. 2009/8/19 Luísa Maria Azeredo Rodrigues Coelho (DGR) luisa.azeredo.coe...@caixaseguros.pt I thank you for your answers and I sympathize with your losses. I am very fond of Miles, as you may imagine. As Joana is. As far as I understand, they are not trying yet to force feed him. He is not having food by himself though. The vet told me Miles was on fluids so that he does not vomit. But temperature dropped to 36.9 C. The vet told us yesterday Miles had colhepatitis (a disease with a big name) not hepatic lipidosis... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
If he hasn't been eating a normal amount of food he may very well have hepatic lipidosis or fatty liver disease, this can be fatal and the cure is getting enough food into him, the vet should know this. You have to immediately start getting food into this cat. The two weeks this site states is incorrect it can occur in a shorter period of time of not eating enough, in as little as a few days (even in some cases in as little as a 24 hour period of not eating, especially if the cat was overweight to start with). Get food into this kitty now! Syringe feed or get a feeding tube, food and enough of it is the cure for this, this is not something any cat should die from, being FeLV has NOTHING to do with it. http://maxshouse.com/Feline_Hepatic_Lipidosis.htm Join this group right away, they are excellent for this problem: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ More links about this condition: http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/turner/index.php goods link from a vet site, make sure your vet is aware of this!! http://colleenscorner.com/birthdaybear.htmlhere is one person and their kitties story and how she helped her kitty survive. http://petdoc.com/story/feline-hepatic-lipidosis-fatty-liver-disease it states usually caused because of other reasons, but in some cases there is no other reason found, in other words once the cat is eating normal again they are fine, I know of several cats that had nothing wrong with them that was ever found, they just stopped eating. One in particular was very close to death and his Mom worked diligently with him to save him, he also had a feeding tube. I personally have been through this with 3 cats, all survived the episodes, all had feeding tubes. Buddie had cancer and was being treated for that when out of the blue she became septic and stopped eating which in turn made her become anorexic and she developed FHL on top of the liver cancer and septicemia. She got a feeding tube put in and within 2 weeks of feeding her she turned around, I lost Buddie to liver cancer one year later. Bailey also stopped eating at the beginning of his illness and had a feeding tube, we reversed his anemia and took care of the FHL but we could never find the cancer we suspected he had and therefore couldn't treat for it, I lost him to undiagnosed pancreatic cancer after 6 months. Fred got a feeding tube early in his CRF diagnosis when he wasn't eating enough, he was eating but not enough to sustain him and syringe feeding wasn't working for us so he got a feeding tube. He had it for about 6 weeks and pulled it out himself one day, of course I freaked out but he was eating well enough by then and we didn't put it back in, Fred is still with me with CRF for 3 years now and doing well. He is 18 and slowing down quite a bit, he sleeps a lot but still enjoys getting on me for loving and laying out in the sun ... I know his disease is terminal but he has had 3 years of good life he wouldn't have had if I hadn't treated the problems that came up, it took about 8 months to get him stable after he was diagnosed with CRF, and believe me those 8 months were a roller coaster. His eating is slowing down again and he is losing weight so I don't know what the future holds, but as long as he enjoys the things in life he always has I will fight for him and do what I need to to keep him feeling OK. Please have your vet test for FHL (feline hepatic lipidosis), it is something that can be reversed but can be fatal if left untreated. Food and enough of it is all it takes. Some people try syringe feeding, some try spoon feeding, some put food on their finger and gently put it in the side of the kitties mouth ... I do this with Fred when he gets meds and doesn't want to eat right at that moment to make sure the pills get down. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
PS. I missed the part about being anemic, get him started on doxocycline and prednisolone also, this is common for FeLV+'s and he may have hemobartonella which is extremely hard to test for. Most positives are put on doxy and pred as a precaution if they become anemic. Anemia is caused by something, it isn't just something that a cat being FeLV+ gets, there is a reason they get it, some vets just say well, the cat is FeLV+ and this happens. Find out why Miles is anemic. This may have initiated his loss of appetite to start with and compounded the problem by causing FHL. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
Ok, just read where Miles was diagnosed with Cholangitis/cholangiohepatitis complex, found some info on it and nutrition is part of the recovery/treatment process, what is the vet doing for him as far as that goes? Cholangitis/cholangiohepatitis complex: This is a number of related inflammatory or infectious disorders of the liver and/or the biliary tract. Cholangitis relates to infection or inflammation of the bile duct cholangiohepatitis is inflammation of the biliary system by extension the liver. Causes of infection may often include FIP, Pancreatitis, IBD, bacterial infection, parasitic infection (including toxoplasmosis http://www.cat-world.com.au/Toxoplasmosis.htm). * Supportive care with IV or subcutaneous fluids *nutritional support*. * If the cause is bacterial, antibiotics will be prescribed. * Medication to control vomiting if necessary. * Corticosteroids may also be helpful in cats. Do they think it is bacterial in nature? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ FIV+ cat with liver problems
More info on this diagnosis: http://marvistavet.com/html/body_feline_cholangiohepatitis.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
