Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
Is Charles eating normally? If he is then it may not be FIP. Did she check his 
heart? Lasix can't hurt anyway. If it's not FIP it will take the pressure off.


 
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 From: Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
 


 

 

Hi everyone,
We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it 
is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
There is really no definitive lab test for FIP and most cats can come up with a 
high titer for the corona virus without showing any symptoms while others have 
a lot titer and may actually have the mutated form of the virus. It's a very 
aggravating disease because it keeps playing hide and seek.


 
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 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
 

Hi Marcy,

I didn't get your original email, but did see Margo's response.
I seem to be having problems with only receiving some emails since recently 
joining this list.

I don't have much experience with FeLV related illnesses yet, but I just 
wanted to ask if they ruled out something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy?  
Heart failure could cause fluid, and in that case, steroids should NOT be 
given.  But lasix can be given.
Since they already gave him a steroid shot, just keep a good eye on him.

My cat, years ago, was fine one day and then his chest became full of fluid.  
His only symptom was that he coughed a tiny bit 
as though he had a hairball, and he didn't want to eat his breakfast which was 
very out of character for him.  Lasix helped him.  
That was his only treatment.  They checked his heart at a later appt. and it 
was fine.  Initially they thought FIP, but it wasn't (we did a titer and it 
was neg.), and after that incident he was fine and lived many more years!  The 
vet didn't want to check the chest fluid at the time because
she had lost a cat doing that once, so she just used lasix.

My theory was that he had a heartworm, and the ivermectin that they gave him 
for ear mites  a week prior might have killed the
heartworm, and it broke up and caused the fluid...but will never know for 
sure.  This all happened shortly after I adopted him
as an adult cat.

Hope Charles begins to feel better. 

Shelley

On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Margo wrote:

 
 Hi Marcy,
  
             Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive 
boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the 
possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list
  
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
  
              and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since 
Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would 
just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain 
tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma 
can manifest;
  
 http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
  
               I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, 
and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you 
are interested in, if any.
  
 All the best
  
 Margo
  
  
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: Marci Greer 
 Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 
 
 
  
 Hi everyone,
 We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
 chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
 could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
 Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
 the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if 
 it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
 to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread Marci Greer

 
Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an 
xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that the Lasix gets 
rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor.  If 
anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread Maryam Ulomi
I'll be praying for Charles!
Lets hope he is back healthy very soon!

Sent from my iPhone.

On Aug 10, 2013, at 14:40, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
  
 Hi everyone,
 We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
 chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
 could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
 Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
 the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if 
 it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
 to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread KG BarnCats
I am sorry to say wet FIP is another possible cause of fluid in the chest.
 There is no definitive test but there are suggestive bloodwork results,
also if fluid can be tapped off, it can be examined.  FIP fluid is
typically yellowish and sticky.  A Rivalta test can also be done on the
fluid.  there is no cure or effective treatment for wet FIP, although the
slower moving dry FIP form has been successfully treated with polyprenyl
immunostimulant (PI).  Neither form is contagious, as FIP is believed to
arise independently when a cat infected with the common and otherwise mild
coronavirus has the virus mutate for unknown reasons.  FELV+ cats are
apparently more susceptible to the mutations and thus FIP.

I lost my 7 month old FELV+ Smokey to abdominal wet FIP in a matter of
days, just as he was beating a bad URI with help of interferon omega and
PI.  The swelling made him very uncomfortable so we let him go.

Laurie


On Saturday, August 10, 2013, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com
wrote:



 Hi everyone,

 We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of
his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it

 could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of
Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that

 the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time
if it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want

 to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread Margo



Hi Marcy,

 Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list 

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/

 and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma can manifest;

http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html

 I will hope that it turnsout to be something simply remedied, and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you are interested in, if any.

All the best

Margo



-Original Message- From: Marci Greer <frecklescras...@hotmail.com>Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 



Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of our babies.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread Margo



 With fluid only in Charles' chest I'd think FIP less likely, but this should help with evaluating what kind of testing might be in order.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=681Imagine

 I have been given an "FIP diagnosis" more times than I care to remember, and it was never found to beaccurate on necropsy. It is out there, but diagnosing it is very tough, and the symptoms are so nebulous and easily attributable to other things, that I now focus on what _else_ I may be dealing with, that may respond to treatment. In addition to lymphoma, chylothorax is another condition which results in the accumulation of thoracic fluid, and can be treated, and even resolved. There was a recent thread about that, I'll see if I can find out which list had it, and link.

HTH

Margo

-Original Message- From: KG BarnCats <kgbarnc...@gmail.com>Sent: Aug 10, 2013 3:08 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 I am sorry to say wet FIP is another possible cause of fluid in the chest. There is no definitive test but there are suggestive bloodwork results, also if fluid can be tapped off, it can be examined. FIP fluid is typically yellowish and sticky. A Rivalta test can also be done on the fluid. there is no cure or effective treatment for wet FIP, although the slower moving dry FIP form has been successfully treated with polyprenyl immunostimulant (PI). Neither form is contagious, as FIP is believed to arise independently when a cat infected with the common and otherwise mild coronavirus has the virus mutate for unknown reasons. FELV+ cats are apparently more susceptible to the mutations and thus FIP. I lost my 7 month old FELV+ Smokey to abdominal wet FIP in a matter of days, just as he was beating a bad URI with help of interferon omega and PI. The swelling made him very uncomfortable so we let him go.LaurieOn Saturday, August 10, 2013, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote:  Hi everyone, We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it  could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that  the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want to loose one of our babies. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread Shelley Theye
Hi Marcy,

I didn't get your original email, but did see Margo's response.
I seem to be having problems with only receiving some emails since recently 
joining this list.

I don't have much experience with FeLV related illnesses yet, but I just wanted 
to ask if they ruled out something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy?  Heart 
failure could cause fluid, and in that case, steroids should NOT be given.  But 
lasix can be given.
Since they already gave him a steroid shot, just keep a good eye on him.

My cat, years ago, was fine one day and then his chest became full of fluid.  
His only symptom was that he coughed a tiny bit 
as though he had a hairball, and he didn't want to eat his breakfast which was 
very out of character for him.  Lasix helped him.  
That was his only treatment.  They checked his heart at a later appt. and it 
was fine.  Initially they thought FIP, but it wasn't (we did a titer and it was 
neg.), and after that incident he was fine and lived many more years!  The vet 
didn't want to check the chest fluid at the time because
she had lost a cat doing that once, so she just used lasix.

My theory was that he had a heartworm, and the ivermectin that they gave him 
for ear mites  a week prior might have killed the
heartworm, and it broke up and caused the fluid...but will never know for sure. 
 This all happened shortly after I adopted him
as an adult cat.

Hope Charles begins to feel better. 

Shelley

On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Margo wrote:

 
 Hi Marcy,
  
 Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive 
 boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the 
 possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list
  
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
  
  and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since 
 Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would 
 just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain 
 tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma 
 can manifest;
  
 http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
  
   I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, 
 and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you 
 are interested in, if any.
  
 All the best
  
 Margo
  
  
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: Marci Greer 
 Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 
 
 
  
 Hi everyone,
 We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
 chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
 could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
 Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
 the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if 
 it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
 to loose one of our babies.
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