Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
I guess I am lucky, my vets, out here in a small Kansas town, don't believe in that at all. They work with them. Take care and good luck with your kitten and Maddie. You are an Angel(-: This list is full of Angels! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
Tell your vet about this forum and he will learn something. Maybe you should change to a vet that does not have a first thought of putting the cat down if it tests positive for FeLV. I'm glad you tried to educate him. Kudos to you Marci your hubby! Hugs kisses to Maddie and Charles :) - Original Message - From: Marci Greer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age-my Tucson is 13+ and positive and a hefty 16 lbs! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones. I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that never even heard of the disease. Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help kitty along. Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 'final solution'. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive and a hefty 16 lbs! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
You know, I get really tired of this! I just dealt with another vet - actually a conversation with his wife who volunteers with us - and told her he was wrong about some things regarding FeLV. Not that he said put one down but he said there are no false positives. Granted there isn't a large majority of false positives but it can and does happen. Anyway, I get sick of these vets who don't keep up with the most current findings and research. It only takes me a few minutes to google FeLV and there are lots of articles written by other vets about FeLV. I think next time we need to tell them to do their friggin job and stay current with medical findings. Arggg! I think maybe I'll print some articles by other vets and just hand them to a vet the next time one of them says something stupid about FeLV. The thing is that there is this other vet I know that volunteers for local rescues and she stays current with everything, especially FeLV. I always go to her with my questions if I find something online that I don't understand. There are some good vets and even the ones that say stupid things about FeLV are probably great in so many other areas of vet medicine but still they should stay current on things. And by current I mean at least stuff that's come up or been found in the last 5- 10 years. It's not like the stuff we talk about regarding FeLV is new. The information on the web has been out there for quite a few years. I know most vets care about the animals and are good but they need to know current findings before putting a cat down. Well, that's my venting for now. I think it's our job to share our knowledge with vets who don't know these things but the best way is by showing them articles by other vets. We're not in the medical field so they wouldn't believe us. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:42 -0800 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones. I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that never even heard of the disease. Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help kitty along. Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 'final solution'. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive and a hefty 16 lbs! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
And another thought - FeLV cats that are owned don't die a slow and painful death because their caring owners will put them down when the pain becomes too intense and they can no longer help them. Only feral cats with no home and no colony caretaker would die that kind of way from FeLV. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: frecklescras...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:46:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
Give them positive examples. All of us hav felv pos cats who are living normal, healthy lives and living with negative cats. I have had mine for 4 years and they are just as healthy as the negatives. Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Educating vets is up to us. When I find something I think is important, I copy and take it to him. He said he appreciates it because he doesn't have a lot of time to spend on the computer sifting thru all the articles. I lilve in a rural area and he spends a lot of time with cows, horses and hogs. Sometimes I have gone for an appointment and he is not there because a cow is having a difficult delivery and he can't just leave her. Then that throws his day off and many times, he has to work beyond his regular day to finish up all his patients. I don't mind that because I would probably do the same thing. Can't leave an animal in distress. Wouldn't wat him to leave mine just because of his schedule. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: You know, I get really tired of this! I just dealt with another vet - actually a conversation with his wife who volunteers with us - and told her he was wrong about some things regarding FeLV. Not that he said put one down but he said there are no false positives. Granted there isn't a large majority of false positives but it can and does happen. Anyway, I get sick of these vets who don't keep up with the most current findings and research. It only takes me a few minutes to google FeLV and there are lots of articles written by other vets about FeLV. I think next time we need to tell them to do their friggin job and stay current with medical findings. Arggg! I think maybe I'll print some articles by other vets and just hand them to a vet the next time one of them says something stupid about FeLV. The thing is that there is this other vet I know that volunteers for local rescues and she stays current with everything, especially FeLV. I always go to her with my questions if I find something online that I don't understand. There are some good vets and even the ones that say stupid things about FeLV are probably great in so many other areas of vet medicine but still they should stay current on things. And by current I mean at least stuff that's come up or been found in the last 5- 10 years. It's not like the stuff we talk about regarding FeLV is new. The information on the web has been out there for quite a few years. I know most vets care about the animals and are good but they need to know current findings before putting a cat down. Well, that's my venting for now. I think it's our job to share our knowledge with vets who don't know these things but the best way is by showing them articles by other vets. We're not in the medical field so they wouldn't believe us. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:42 -0800 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones. I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that never even heard of the disease. Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help kitty along. Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 'final solution'. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive and a hefty 16 lbs! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he
