Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-11 Thread dlgegg
That is how my Shadow went.  We were on th way to Missouri University with him 
and he passed on the way.  

 Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 so sorry...you did your best.
 
 Goodnight, sweet Fletch...
 
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
   - Original Message - 
   From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:26 AM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch
 
 
   Hi everyone
 
   Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard 
 time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we 
 didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to 
 suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year 
 old. He was loved so very much during his short life.
 
   Thanks for all your help
   Marcia
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-08 Thread Sharyl
Marcia, I was saddened to read that Fletch has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  You 
gave him a loving home for his short little life.  For our FeLV that is the 
best we can do.
Sharyl

From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:26 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch

Hi everyone

Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time 
breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't 
make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like 
that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was 
loved so very much during his short life.

Thanks for all your help
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-08 Thread Terri Brown
so sorry...you did your best.

Goodnight, sweet Fletch...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:26 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch


  Hi everyone

  Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time 
breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't 
make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like 
that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was 
loved so very much during his short life.

  Thanks for all your help
  Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-08 Thread Lynda Wilson

Marcia,

My heart truly aches for you.  You tried so hard to do everything you 
possibly could.  Don't beat yourself up, he is no longer suffering.


RIP, Fletch, you have crossed the Rainbow Bridge where you will have playful 
and pain-free days!


Hugs~
Lynda
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From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:26 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch



Hi everyone

Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard 
time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, 
we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had 
to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a 
year old. He was loved so very much during his short life.


Thanks for all your help
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-08 Thread Beth
Awww...Poor baby. Thank you so much for trying to help him. At least he knew he 
was loved.

Beth

 
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From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:26 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch

Hi everyone

Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time 
breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't 
make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like 
that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was 
loved so very much during his short life.

Thanks for all your help
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-07 Thread Tad Burnett

[Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer included below]

I've got an FIV+ cat (Pasha) on the cocktail and can answer this.

The stomatitis cocktail was developed by the late Dr. Bob Wiggs at his 
clinic (Dallas Animal Dental) in Dallas.  The actual mix of ingredients 
is proprietary so nobody other than its makers actually know its 
components and their proportions, but it is basically a holistic mix of 
non-steroidal, non-controlled substances.  I first heard about it from a 
Yahoo Group dedicated to feline stomatitis 
(http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Stomatitis/) where a number 
of people have reported positive results from its use.  I am attaching a 
fact sheet about the cocktail, which was created by one the members of 
that Yahoo Group.


Dr. Wiggs passed away last year and my understanding is that while his 
estate is sorted out, the cocktail's availability will be somewhat 
limited as the rights to the proprietary mix haven't been completely 
settled.  I think that it was his wish to see the cocktail made more 
readily available to help cats suffering from stomatitis and so 
presumably it will eventually be easier to obtain and perhaps might even 
be produced locally rather than centrally in Dallas.  Time will tell on 
that one.


I was informed that the formulation for FIV+ cats is slightly different 
than for FIV-negative cats.


Pasha, an 8-year old lifelong FIV+ cat with caudal stomatitis and tongue 
ulcers so horrendously bad that his vet looks at me knowingly while 
fingering the bottle of euthasol every time I bring him in, has been on 
it for about six weeks.  I've been taking pictures of his mouth to 
monitor the progress.  I can't really say it's had any positive impact, 
unfortunately.  Initially, it seemed like it was helping - after about 2 
weeks the inflammation had been reduced and his tongue looked better.  
But at 3 weeks both came back with a vengeance and he looks awful.  His 
appetite has been a little better nonetheless, but he's not gained any 
weight.  His most recent labs also weren't all that encouraging. I'm 
going to keep at it since I've exhausted pretty much all of the other 
treatment options.  This doesn't mean it doesn't work; it just means 
that it doesn't work on 100% of cats.  Other people with FIV+ cats on 
the Stomatitis group have made favorable reports.


The cocktail costs around $45/month, and the clinic does require that 
bloodwork be periodically reported so there are other ongoing costs you 
could expect to incur as well.


When I get around to it, I'll upload some pictures to show what I'm 
talking about.


- Ben

From: joel kehler joelkeh...@yahoo.com
To: fiv-healthscie...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [fiv-healthscience] Two updates: Daphne and Scrappy
I would be interested to know of what the stomatitis cocktail 
consists, if /when you know.


Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer

1 of 1 File(s)
Information on the Stomatitis Cocktail.pdf

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On 9/7/2011 11:02 AM, Marcia wrote:
Now Fletch has thick gooey looking saliva. He can't eat because his 
mouth now hurts. His fever is gone though. WhT to do. Calling vet 
today. Is there any treatment for this mouth issue?

Thanks

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On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com 
mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or 
something like that for just a few days though.


/I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results 
that are profitable to the human race or doesn'tthe pain which it 
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward 
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without 
looking further. -- Mark Twain/



Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net mailto:at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

Same here!

*From:*felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Edna Taylor

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin 
to cats:



*Aspirin Side Effects*

Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. 
If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as:


  * Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers
  * Upset stomach
http://www.vetinfo.com/best-cat-upset-stomach-remedy.html
  * Vomiting
  * Diarrhea
  * Blood coagulation delays
  * Lack of appetite
http://www.vetinfo.com/causes-cat-appetite-loss.html



Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-07 Thread Tad Burnett
 other day or 72 hours or 
something like that for just a few days though.


/I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results 
that are profitable to the human race or doesn'tthe pain which 
it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity 
toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity 
without looking further. -- Mark Twain/



Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net mailto:at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

Same here!

*From:*felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Edna Taylor

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

It has always been my understanding that you should never give 
asprin to cats:



*Aspirin Side Effects*

Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. 
If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as:


  * Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers
  * Upset stomach
http://www.vetinfo.com/best-cat-upset-stomach-remedy.html
  * Vomiting
  * Diarrhea
  * Blood coagulation delays
  * Lack of appetite
http://www.vetinfo.com/causes-cat-appetite-loss.html



Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo 
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 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch

 Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate 
quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for 
quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. 
Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so 
all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't 
like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. 
That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on 
under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the 
litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he 
doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? 
Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it 
is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys 
any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do 
they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be 
appreciated. Where does the fever come from?

 Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-07 Thread Peggy Verdonck
I'm so sorry! I've been reading your thread. Sad to hear he didn't make :-(
RIP Fletch

On Sep 7, 2011 11:02 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone

 Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard
time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we
didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to
suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year
old. He was loved so very much during his short life.

 Thanks for all your help
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-06 Thread Edna Taylor

It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats:
 

Aspirin Side Effects
Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If 
administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: 

Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers
Upset stomach
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Blood coagulation delays
Lack of appetite

Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo  

 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch
 
 Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few 
 treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was 
 so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to 
 eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 
 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard 
 chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on 
 under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His 
 fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. 
 Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be 
 like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I 
 don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I 
 don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be 
 appreciated. Where does the fever come from?
 Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you.
 
 Marcia
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-06 Thread Maureen Olvey

You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or something like 
that for just a few days though.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch



Same here!   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch It has always been my understanding that you 
should never give asprin to cats:
 Aspirin Side EffectsAspirin is not a medication that is typically administered 
to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: Stomach 
acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcersUpset stomachVomitingDiarrheaBlood 
coagulation delaysLack of appetite

Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo   From: 
marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch
 
 Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few 
 treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was 
 so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to 
 eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 
 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard 
 chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on 
 under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His 
 fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. 
 Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be 
 like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I 
 don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I 
 don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be 
 appreciated. Where does the fever come from?
 Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you.
 
 Marcia
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-25 Thread Maureen Olvey

If after a few weeks the amoxi isn't working ask the vet about switching 
antibiotics to a stronger one.  It'd be nice if they knew where the infection 
was.  He probably does have an infection since he has a fever but the infection 
came from somewhere, not just a generalized infection.  Since they mentioned a 
virus I wonder if they're thinking it's an upper respiratory infection.  Either 
way, I guess antibiotics are called for.  I still say maybe an immune system 
stimulant since he probably does have FeLV.  Not that everytime a cat is sick 
does it mean FeLV but if he truly does have FeLV then it will be extra hard for 
his body to fight off the infection.
 
Prednisone can negatively affect the immune system.  It can be a really good 
thing but I've just heard it can suppress the immune system.  Guess you have to 
balance out the benefits of it with the potential negatives.  Did they say why 
they wanted to use prednisone?  I think it's normally used for some kind of 
inflammation.  I imagine they have a good reason for suggesting it but you 
should ask to be sure you understand why they want to use it before making a 
decision.
 
I would definitely re-test but the question is when.  You could do the IFA test 
right now but if it comes up negative then you would need to do another one 
later on to see if the infection has gotten into his white blood cells.  It 
takes a little time from the time the virus gets into his bloodstream before it 
gets into his white blood cells so the ELISA could be positive right now and 
the IFA negative but then positive later.  Or his body may fight off the virus 
so right now he could have a positive ELISA but a negative IFA.  Then when his 
body fights it off he should have a negative ELISA and a negative IFA.  Myself, 
I'd be curious and want to do the IFA test now to know if it's in his white 
blood cells already, but knowing you'll have to pay for another one later on 
(if it's negative) then maybe you should wait.  Your decision.  Whenever you do 
decide to do the test just demand your vet do it whether she thinks it's 
necessary or not.  Recently a vet told someone in our rescue that she shouldn't 
do the IFA because the ELISA test was the gold standard.  Thankfully the 
foster parent realized the vet was a clueless about FeLV and the two different 
tests so she demanded he do the IFA test anyway.  But if you decide to wait on 
the IFA test then since Fletch is sick I would treat him as though he had FeLV 
and get him on immunoreglin or something like it until he gets well.
 
The one vet told me that a positive IFA means the virus is in his white blood 
cells and there's no need for further testing because once it's in his white 
blood cells the cat will not fight off the virus and won't put it into dormancy 
either.  He will stay positive for FeLV.  So if you do the IFA test now and 
it's positive then you can consider him definitely positive, according to her 
anyway, and not do another test later.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:14:56 -0500
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch


Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a 
membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of 
these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting 
that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he 
eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where 
everything is. 
The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp 
of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under 
control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the 
infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday 
when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it 
if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions.  Oh, today I 
got my liquid b complex and started him on that.
 
thanks guys
 
oh I turned 59 in July(-:


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:

Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
retested  of  course

Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread Lorrie
On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:

Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
retested  of  course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
well,  or  could  he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
totally  lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
little  guy.He's  om  amoxicillin  and they said he could stay on that
indefinitely.   Do  you  agree?  She  also  said  we  could  try  some
prednisone. What are you opinions??

I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until 
he adjusted to it.  Also being in pain and sick would make him
irritable.  Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread Maureen Olvey

I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when 
they don't feel well.  That's probably it.
 
Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill.  
But, that's a probably, not a definite.  It wouldn't hurt to re-test.  Well 
other than the cost.  That always hurts.  I think an IFA test is about $100 on 
average.
 
Why are they giving him amoxi?  Does he definitely have an infection of some 
sort?  Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic.  I can't tell you 
what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection 
she thinks he has.  I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is 
wrong with him.  Why did he go blind?  Is that something FeLV can cause?  I've 
never read about it.
 
Has she suggested trying immunoreglin?  You need to ask her about it.  It's 
what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick.  I 
think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it 
online.  There's another one called interferon.  I think there's different type 
of interferon and some are given as injections.  I've never used immunoreglin 
or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing 
something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and 
blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what 
sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get.  Seems like I've heard of other things 
but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 

 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
 
 On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 
  Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
  cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about
  retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already
  cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
  that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from
  people that have years of experience with this. I will have him
  retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
  well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
  totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
  little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
  indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some
  prednisone. What are you opinions??
 
 I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until 
 he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him
 irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread Lynda Wilson
Maureen,

Would you mind responding to Marcia B's thread regarding her 1yr old just 
diagnosed? You explain things so much better than I do!

L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch


  I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy 
when they don't feel well.  That's probably it.
   
  Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be 
ill.  But, that's a probably, not a definite.  It wouldn't hurt to re-test.  
Well other than the cost.  That always hurts.  I think an IFA test is about 
$100 on average.
   
  Why are they giving him amoxi?  Does he definitely have an infection of some 
sort?  Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic.  I can't tell you 
what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection 
she thinks he has.  I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is 
wrong with him.  Why did he go blind?  Is that something FeLV can cause?  I've 
never read about it.
   
  Has she suggested trying immunoreglin?  You need to ask her about it.  It's 
what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick.  I 
think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it 
online.  There's another one called interferon.  I think there's different type 
of interferon and some are given as injections.  I've never used immunoreglin 
or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing 
something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and 
blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what 
sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get.  Seems like I've heard of other things 
but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation.


  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
   

   Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400
   From: felineres...@frontier.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
   
   On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
   
Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about
retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already
cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from
people that have years of experience with this. I will have him
retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some
prednisone. What are you opinions??
   
   I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until 
   he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him
   irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
   
   Lorrie 
   
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread Natalie
There are a lot of questions...and I wouldn't trust that vet as far as I
could throw him or her.

The type of blindness can be categorized by the appearance of the eyes, and
a regular vet can only be unspecific; in order to know exactly why a cat is
blind, an ophthalmologist must be seen.

Our regular vet could tell that the latest acquired blind cat has been blind
for a long time, but since there is nothing visual, the eyes look perfectly
normal, the problem must be at the very back of the eye that only a
specialist could determine.

One of the cats that I just recued in Brooklyn last Sunday, his right eye
has a big opaque spot in the middle, and our vet said that it was caused by
a viral infection a while back (he's about 3 yrs old), and at least he does
have peripheral vision.  We also had a FIV+ cat that became blind - her eyes
looked quite normal but her pupils were always very large - hers was caused
by high blood pressure.  Diabetic cats also become blind very often, just
like people, if the disease is ignored or undetected.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

 

I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy
when they don't feel well.  That's probably it.
 
Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be
ill.  But, that's a probably, not a definite.  It wouldn't hurt to re-test.
Well other than the cost.  That always hurts.  I think an IFA test is about
$100 on average.
 
Why are they giving him amoxi?  Does he definitely have an infection of some
sort?  Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic.  I can't tell
you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific
infection she thinks he has.  I guess giving him prednisone depends on what
she says is wrong with him.  Why did he go blind?  Is that something FeLV
can cause?  I've never read about it.
 
Has she suggested trying immunoreglin?  You need to ask her about it.  It's
what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick.
I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more
about it online.  There's another one called interferon.  I think there's
different type of interferon and some are given as injections.  I've never
used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours
of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her
necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I
know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get.  Seems like I've
heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
 
 On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 
  Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
  cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about
  retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already
  cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
  that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from
  people that have years of experience with this. I will have him
  retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
  well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
  totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
  little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
  indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some
  prednisone. What are you opinions??
 
 I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until 
 he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him
 irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
 
 Lorrie 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread Marcia Baronda
Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by
a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read
some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he
is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm
hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he
knows where everything is.
The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a
temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get
under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel
sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three
weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me
he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for
suggestions.  Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that.

thanks guys

oh I turned 59 in July(-:

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:

 Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
 cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
 retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
 cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
 that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
 people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
 retested  of  course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
 well,  or  could  he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
 totally  lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
 little  guy.He's  om  amoxicillin  and they said he could stay on that
 indefinitely.   Do  you  agree?  She  also  said  we  could  try  some
 prednisone. What are you opinions??

 I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until
 he adjusted to it.  Also being in pain and sick would make him
 irritable.  Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread dlgegg
I definetly would ask more questions.  If the vet is not happy with that then 
maybe it is time to search for one who will welcome your interest in Fletch's 
health.  My vet encourages questions and any input I may have as to treatment.  
I even introduced him to this group.  He monitors the posts and said many good 
questions re:  felv have been brought up by the group.


 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy 
 when they don't feel well.  That's probably it.
  
 Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be 
 ill.  But, that's a probably, not a definite.  It wouldn't hurt to re-test.  
 Well other than the cost.  That always hurts.  I think an IFA test is about 
 $100 on average.
  
 Why are they giving him amoxi?  Does he definitely have an infection of some 
 sort?  Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic.  I can't tell 
 you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific 
 infection she thinks he has.  I guess giving him prednisone depends on what 
 she says is wrong with him.  Why did he go blind?  Is that something FeLV can 
 cause?  I've never read about it.
  
 Has she suggested trying immunoreglin?  You need to ask her about it.  It's 
 what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick.  I 
 think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about 
 it online.  There's another one called interferon.  I think there's different 
 type of interferon and some are given as injections.  I've never used 
 immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me 
 noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her 
 necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I 
 know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get.  Seems like I've 
 heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation.
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
  Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400
  From: felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
  
  On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
  
   Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
   cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about
   retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already
   cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
   that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from
   people that have years of experience with this. I will have him
   retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
   well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
   totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
   little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
   indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some
   prednisone. What are you opinions??
  
  I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until 
  he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him
  irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
  
  Lorrie 
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-08-24 Thread dlgegg
OKAY, the vet gav yu a reason, he is off the hook. 

 Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by
 a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read
 some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he
 is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm
 hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he
 knows where everything is.
 The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a
 temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get
 under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel
 sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three
 weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me
 he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for
 suggestions.  Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that.
 
 thanks guys
 
 oh I turned 59 in July(-:
 
 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 
  Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
  cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
  retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
  cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
  that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
  people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
  retested  of  course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
  well,  or  could  he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
  totally  lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
  little  guy.He's  om  amoxicillin  and they said he could stay on that
  indefinitely.   Do  you  agree?  She  also  said  we  could  try  some
  prednisone. What are you opinions??
 
  I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until
  he adjusted to it.  Also being in pain and sick would make him
  irritable.  Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
 
  Lorrie
 
 
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2011-08-24 Thread dlgegg
No wonder he is grouchy, being blind is enough to scare anyone!  My Nitnoy is 
real touchy about being startled and approached from behind because a raccoon 
chopped her tail down to 3.  Things like that tend to make people/cats jumpy 
and grouchy.

 Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by
 a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read
 some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he
 is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm
 hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he
 knows where everything is.
 The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a
 temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get
 under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel
 sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three
 weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me
 he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for
 suggestions.  Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that.
 
 thanks guys
 
 oh I turned 59 in July(-:
 
 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 
  Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
  cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
  retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
  cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
  that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
  people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
  retested  of  course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
  well,  or  could  he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
  totally  lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
  little  guy.He's  om  amoxicillin  and they said he could stay on that
  indefinitely.   Do  you  agree?  She  also  said  we  could  try  some
  prednisone. What are you opinions??
 
  I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until
  he adjusted to it.  Also being in pain and sick would make him
  irritable.  Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
 
  Lorrie
 
 
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