Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv

2010-04-18 Thread MaryChristine
re-read it folks, the cats were NOT tested with the IFA as far as i can
tell--just progressive SNAPs. they state that the IDEXX test is for ANTIGENS
(exposure) as i keep emphasizing, so the fact that the cat is ultimately
negative on a snap just proves what has actually been known for a long time:
70% of cats will NOT remain viremic!

and the very fact that they consistently say HIV for a feline population
tells me that they don't know their anal glands from their whiskers: HIV is
specific to humans, FIV to cats. (what part of FELINE don't these people
get?? )

i also seriously question the reversal of the FIV cats, as i've never seen
or heard anything reliable in the literature about WESTERN-BLOT positive
FIVs being able to throw off the virus once it's established (which is what
the FIV part of the snap tests for, actual antibodies.)

i'll send this on to joel for his review,

where was this published, j? i can't believe it could have been in a
peer-reviewed pub, or that HIV/FIV nomenclature would have been caught.

thanks for sharing it, tho.

MC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv

2010-04-18 Thread Jeni


trmckel...@charter.net wrote:

Thank you for this information, could you provide a reference, so I could 
review the original work?

I'd also like to strongly caution that even though something looks really good 
in a research article, it doesn't mean it is effective or even safe, 
especially when it involves animal testing for use in humans.  First hand 
experience on this one.

Thanks,

Terry
 jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: 

=
I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done
with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral
status to negative.  I copied and pasted it.

 EXAMPLES

In vivo testing was performed to demonstrate the startling effectiveness of
the treatment methods described herein. A series of laboratory tests were
conducted on retrovirus-infected cats. In the preferred treatment regimen,
the animal suffering from HIV(+), is administered relatively large doses of
both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants such as Vitamins C, A and E;
an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl
cysteine; followed by an NFKB induction inhibitor such as one or more
anti-inflammatory steroids or lazaroids. As summarized. in Table 4 below,
seven cats heavily infected with HIV or FIV were treated according to the
methods described and claimed herein. Each cat weighed approximately 10 to
about 18 pounds. The cats were initially treated with a single dosage of an
effective amount of an NFKB induction inhibitor, that is an
anti-inflammatory steroid dose of DEPO-MEDROL (20-25 mg) and a series of
oral dosages of a glutathione precursor, N-acetyl cysteine. The amount of
N-acetyl cysteine administered with food to each cat was 1,200 mg per day.
In addition, large dosages of fat-soluble and water-soluble antibxidants,
Vitamins E, C, and A were administered to the cats orally every day by
mixing in cat food. Vitamin E was administered at a dosage of 400 IU per day
to each cat and Vitamin C was administered at a level of 500 mg per day to
each cat. Vitamins A, K, and copper and zinc were also administered via 1
PET TABS per day to each cat. PET TABS is a commercially available
multivitamin for pets such as cats, and is available from Smith-Kline
Beecham.

The treated cats: were monitored by ELISA assay for feline leukemia viruses
antigen/feline immunodeficiency virus antibody test (CITE PRO COMBO:
Programmed Biodetection available from IDEXX Corp. of Portland, Me.) for
about two weeks. Of the seven cats tested, all seven appeared to have been
cured from their earlier infection of feline leukemia, feline AIDS or both.
The treatment process lasted one to two months of continual treatment with
N-acetyl cysteine and high dosages of Vitamins C, E and A and periodic
administration of anti-inflammatory steroids.
  TABLE 4   EFFECT OF ANTIRETROVIRAL THERAPY ON  RETROVIRUS-INFECTED CATS  Age
Sex Name Assay Symptoms Assay   8 F Champagne FELV(+), hair loss, lost teeth
FELV(-),   FIV(+)  FIV(-)  8 M Precious FELV(+), vomiting, dental
FELV(-),   FIV(+)
problems FIV(-)  9 F Missy FELV(+), Bloody diarrhea, FELV(-),   FIV(+) problems
dental FIV(-)  11 M Sampson FIV(+) vomiting, gum red FIV(-)  8 M Josey FELV(+)
teeth loss, no FELV(-)appetite, lungproblem  10 M Patch FIV(+) poor
appetite, FIV(-)lethargy  12 M Bud FIV(+) weight loss, no FIV(-)
 appetite


Notes

1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control.

2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPO-MEDROL
(anti-inflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered N-acetyl
cysteine, 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day.

3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive
reaction to negative after the treatment.

4) The symptoms of Champagne, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems,
bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the
treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as
vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the
treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum
infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on
PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants.

5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus
negative.

6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson,
Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen
stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retrovirus. All
tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the
virus.

These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in
an in vivo model. Treatments were performed by a licensed veterinarian. The
treatment methods were also performed by a second veterinarian. The second
set of treatments were also successful.

In an optional treatment 

Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv

2010-04-17 Thread trmckelvey
Thank you for this information, could you provide a reference, so I could 
review the original work?

I'd also like to strongly caution that even though something looks really good 
in a research article, it doesn't mean it is effective or even safe, especially 
when it involves animal testing for use in humans.  First hand experience on 
this one.

Thanks,

Terry
 jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: 

=
I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done
with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral
status to negative.  I copied and pasted it.

 EXAMPLES

In vivo testing was performed to demonstrate the startling effectiveness of
the treatment methods described herein. A series of laboratory tests were
conducted on retrovirus-infected cats. In the preferred treatment regimen,
the animal suffering from HIV(+), is administered relatively large doses of
both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants such as Vitamins C, A and E;
an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl
cysteine; followed by an NFKB induction inhibitor such as one or more
anti-inflammatory steroids or lazaroids. As summarized. in Table 4 below,
seven cats heavily infected with HIV or FIV were treated according to the
methods described and claimed herein. Each cat weighed approximately 10 to
about 18 pounds. The cats were initially treated with a single dosage of an
effective amount of an NFKB induction inhibitor, that is an
anti-inflammatory steroid dose of DEPO-MEDROL (20-25 mg) and a series of
oral dosages of a glutathione precursor, N-acetyl cysteine. The amount of
N-acetyl cysteine administered with food to each cat was 1,200 mg per day.
In addition, large dosages of fat-soluble and water-soluble antibxidants,
Vitamins E, C, and A were administered to the cats orally every day by
mixing in cat food. Vitamin E was administered at a dosage of 400 IU per day
to each cat and Vitamin C was administered at a level of 500 mg per day to
each cat. Vitamins A, K, and copper and zinc were also administered via 1
PET TABS per day to each cat. PET TABS is a commercially available
multivitamin for pets such as cats, and is available from Smith-Kline
Beecham.

The treated cats: were monitored by ELISA assay for feline leukemia viruses
antigen/feline immunodeficiency virus antibody test (CITE PRO COMBO:
Programmed Biodetection available from IDEXX Corp. of Portland, Me.) for
about two weeks. Of the seven cats tested, all seven appeared to have been
cured from their earlier infection of feline leukemia, feline AIDS or both.
The treatment process lasted one to two months of continual treatment with
N-acetyl cysteine and high dosages of Vitamins C, E and A and periodic
administration of anti-inflammatory steroids.
  TABLE 4   EFFECT OF ANTIRETROVIRAL THERAPY ON  RETROVIRUS-INFECTED CATS  Age
Sex Name Assay Symptoms Assay   8 F Champagne FELV(+), hair loss, lost teeth
FELV(-),   FIV(+)  FIV(-)  8 M Precious FELV(+), vomiting, dental
FELV(-),   FIV(+)
problems FIV(-)  9 F Missy FELV(+), Bloody diarrhea, FELV(-),   FIV(+) problems
dental FIV(-)  11 M Sampson FIV(+) vomiting, gum red FIV(-)  8 M Josey FELV(+)
teeth loss, no FELV(-)appetite, lungproblem  10 M Patch FIV(+) poor
appetite, FIV(-)lethargy  12 M Bud FIV(+) weight loss, no FIV(-)
 appetite


Notes

1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control.

2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPO-MEDROL
(anti-inflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered N-acetyl
cysteine, 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day.

3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive
reaction to negative after the treatment.

4) The symptoms of Champagne, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems,
bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the
treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as
vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the
treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum
infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on
PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants.

5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus
negative.

6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson,
Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen
stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retrovirus. All
tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the
virus.

These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in
an in vivo model. Treatments were performed by a licensed veterinarian. The
treatment methods were also performed by a second veterinarian. The second
set of treatments were also successful.

In an optional treatment regimen, to be followed when the animal 

Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv

2010-04-17 Thread gary
The patent office website says the patent for this has been abandoned (they 
didn't pay the fee to keep it an active patent). What I find really strange 
about this is that if it is such an effective treatment - why did they 
abandon a patent that could make them a fortune?


Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv


I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done
with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in 
viral

status to negative.  I copied and pasted it.




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