Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2009-01-23 Thread dlgegg
right.  when you explain to companies why you are asking, they (most anyway) 
are happy to help you with all information needed.  as long as you are not 
implying that their product is defective in any way.  since we have a special 
need, it helps get info.  dorlis
 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
Honestly I wouldn't take the chance until I called the company and 
 asked them specifically if there was any onion in any form in it, that 
 is my own personal opinion .. I know a lot of things that don't say 
 onion on the label have it in the food as flavoring.  The one that is 
 really tricky are the ones that say natural flavor.
 
 I would be afraid to risk it especially with a positive who is already 
 struggling with a weakened immune system.  I am over cautious I guess.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2009-01-06 Thread dlgegg
another thing you have to watch for is SALT.  human foods are loaded with it 
and it does not do the kidneys any good.  that is why i cook most of my own 
food these days, i control what goes into it.  dorlis
 Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 Ingredients off web site
 Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth and Flavors),
 Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates.
 
 
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 I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2009-01-06 Thread dlgegg
another thing you have to watch for is SALT.  human foods are loaded with it 
and it does not do the kidneys any good.  that is why i cook most of my own 
food these days, i control what goes into it.  dorlis
 Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 Ingredients off web site
 Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth and Flavors),
 Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates.
 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 ti...@mindspring.com 
 Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Southernes
Well, he ate the broth of the canned chicken I had (regular people Tyson 
white meat canned chicken) and then he ate 3 or 4 bites of the actual meat.  
This 
morning he's done the same thing.  No cat food but he'll drink that broth and 
eat some of the meat.  He's much perkier today and as far as I can tell, no 
fever (cool ears, cool wet nose, moving around, more social.)  

So we're better.  I just wish I knew what I was doing!

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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Belinda Sauro

 Hi Sidney,
  Hi Sidney, I know you said you are not really familiar with kitties 
and there needs so this is an FYI to help, please don't give any broth 
that you have bought in the store to a cat, it almost certainly contains 
onion as part of the flavoring and onion is very deadly to cats, it 
causes anemia.  Any processed food product that contains things like 
natural flavor or spices, is sure to have onion in it one of those 
things and is very dangerous for any cat.  If he'll eat broth, buy 
chicken, even if you just get scraps from the meat section or the 
butcher, boil it and get broth that way.  FeLV cats most definitely 
don't need to eat anything that cause anemia.  This site has a list of 
other foods that are harmful or just not so good for cats:


http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=0aid=1108
and about the garlic mentioned in this one, some people think it is OK, 
but I figure if there is a chance it can be harmful, why take the 
chance, that is my personal opinion only.


http://www.pugsavers.com/onions.html

A safe baby food to give is, Gerber 2nd stage meats they don't contain 
onion, and Beechnut 1st stage meats, the ingredients are right on the 
bottles, check to make sure but I'm pretty sure these are what I use and 
they do not contain onion powder as seasoning.  Fred my CRF kitty wth 
kidney issues gets them to take his medicines.


http://amos.indiana.edu/library/scripts/toxiconions.html

http://www.suite101.com/blog/shaya_weaver/onions_are_toxic_for_cats_and_dogs

Other things to never give cats except in very rare cases under the 
supervision of a vet is aspirins, even baby aspirin or anything 
containing salicylate is dangerous for cats.


http://www.petplace.com/cats/aspirin-toxicity-in-cats/page1.aspx

http://www.cat-world.com.au/AspirinPoisoning.htm

Certain plants are deadly for cat:

http://www.cfainc.org/articles/plants.html

http://cats.about.com/od/hazardousplants/Plants_for_Pets_Hazardous_and_Safe.htm

This should help you with some of the dont's related to caring for a 
cat, they are marvelous, mysterious creatures and you'll enjoy the 
relationship with General like no other.  I never knew about these 
things back when I was caring for my first dog and cat after leaving 
home on my own, no computers at that time.  I found out thankfully 
before I did any harm to my pets.  Thank you for taking General in and 
caring for him.  Your in for a fun, magical adventure!!


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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Southernes
This is just canned chicken, not broth, and the can says 100% canned chicken. 
 It doesn't say anything about any spices.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Honestly I wouldn't take the chance until I called the company and 
asked them specifically if there was any onion in any form in it, that 
is my own personal opinion .. I know a lot of things that don't say 
onion on the label have it in the food as flavoring.  The one that is 
really tricky are the ones that say natural flavor.


I would be afraid to risk it especially with a positive who is already 
struggling with a weakened immune system.  I am over cautious I guess.


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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Do you have the brand name and a phone number, I would be happy to 
call and ask about the onion?


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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Southernes
I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Laurieskatz
Important to keep him eating his normal amount of foodto avoid liver
failure. I didn't know this when I was pleased with a few bites of chicken.
Please get more info at Feline Assisted Feeding (yahoo group) about this.
They are the experts on eating issues
L

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Well, he ate the broth of the canned chicken I had (regular people Tyson 
white meat canned chicken) and then he ate 3 or 4 bites of the actual meat.
This 
morning he's done the same thing.  No cat food but he'll drink that broth
and 
eat some of the meat.  He's much perkier today and as far as I can tell, no 
fever (cool ears, cool wet nose, moving around, more social.)  

So we're better.  I just wish I knew what I was doing!

Sidney and the General


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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Laurieskatz
I suspect the Tyson's is fine. Important to keep him eating his normal
amount of food

Here is the suggested group:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/

info from the site:
Feline Hepatic Lipidosis (FHL), Hepatic Lipidosis (HL), Fatty Liver 
Disease (FLD) or Syndrome (FLS)-regardless of the acronym, this is a 
serious and potentially deadly disease that every cat owner needs to be 
aware of.  Any cat who isn't eating OR isn't eating enough is at risk.  
This is a case where an ounce of prevention is not only worth a pound 
of cure-it could be worth its weight in gold: your cat's life.  


This is not meant simply to alarm you.  Anyone who has battled Hepatic 
Lipidosis wishes only one thing: to help others avoid it.  If you 
suspect your cat may be at risk or may have FHL, please discuss the 
concern with your vet as soon as possible.


The Basics:

Unlike many other animals, cats are not able to efficiently break down 
fat stores in their bodies.  

When a cat is not consuming sufficient calories, the body begins to 
mobilize fat stores, sending them to the liver to be broken down.  The 
cat's unfortunate inefficiency at this process causes the liver to 
essentially become clogged with fat and induces an acute form of 
liver failure: Hepatic Lipidosis.  

Overweight cats are more likely to develop HL, but not all fat cats get 
HL and not all cats who get HL are fat.

Any cat not consuming sufficient calories is at risk

FHL is acute, not chronic.  It can be cured completely and is unlikely 
to reoccur.  It could, but as anyone who has beaten the disease knows, 
you will forever after watch your cat like a hawk!


The Cause:   

FHL is caused by not eating enough, but this can result from a vast 
number of medical conditions.  It is also possible for cats to develop 
idiopathic HL, which means it doesn't have a specific medical cause, 
and could be a result of something as simple as stress.  Inappetance 
for more than a day or two is a sign that something is very wrong, and 
it is best to seek vet care ASAP both to determine the cause of the 
inappetance and to assess the possibility of FHL.

 
The Symptoms and Diagnosis:

Cats with FHL often become jaundiced (yellowed) which can most readily 
be seen on the whites of the eyes, inside the ears, gums and roof of 
mouth. BUT because this is a sort of after-effect of the liver 
damage, the cat is already severely ill by the time it is visible.  
Simple blood tests can be used to determine the likelihood of HL 
(ALT/ALP/AST liver numbers are generally elevated) often before 
jaundice is apparent.  Bilirubin will rise sharply also, and is what 
causes the jaundice.  This is why it is critical to alert your vet that 
your cat has not been eating if it has been more than a day or two.  If 
FHL is suspected from the blood test, tests such as x-rays, ultrasound, 
a biopsy or fine-needle aspirate (FNA) can be used to confirm and make 
the diagnosis. The most important thing is that a vet is able to 
diagnose HL *before* it becomes severe enough to cause jaundice.  And 
the earlier it is caught, the better the odds of survival. 


The Cure:

Food.  Not three bites of Fancy Feast.  Not two licks of gravy.  Not a 
corner of cheese nor twelve kibbles.  A cat with FHL must consume (and 
keep down) enough calories to reverse the process and allow the liver 
to heal.  Because FHL makes a cat feel even LESS like eating, assisted-
feeding is essential and usually involves a recovery diet such as a/d 
or Max Cal.  IF you have a cooperative cat, syringe feeding *may* be an 
option.  But with FHL, there is no time to lose.  If you are unable to 
get those critical calories INTO the cat by handfeeding/spoonfeeding or 
syringe-feeding, a feeding tube should be discussed.  BEFORE you rule 
this out, please be aware that they are neither painful nor 
uncomfortable for the cat, nor difficult to use.  They reduce feeding
stress, and many cats look forward to their tube-feedings.  Plus, many 

medications can be given by tube.  Complications are rare.  There are a 
number of tube options, but an esophagostomy or e-tube is most 
commonly used for HL as they are inexpensive to place and are for 
comparatively short term use.  PEG tubes or in certain instances J-
tubes may be considered.  Statistics vary, but the chances of survival 
are greatly increased by the use of a feeding tube.  The time to 
recovery for FHL will vary depending on the cat and the severity of the 
disease, but it is usually a matter of weeks.   


There are no specific medications for FHL, although supplements to help 
support the liver and anti-nausea medications may be prescribed.  Cats 
with feeding tubes are usually given antibiotics to avoid infections 
while the tube is in place.  Consider the food to be the medication, 
and be just as diligent in giving it as you would any other.


AVOIDING HL:

A measure of caution and some simple steps can help you avoid ever 

Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Chris
Ingredients off web site
Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth and Flavors),
Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates.


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I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Chris
Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage.  Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark
meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing
added.  Then you can give him the broth and the chicken.  

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I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Laurieskatz
Safer. True.

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Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage.  Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark
meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing
added.  Then you can give him the broth and the chicken.  

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I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread Laurieskatz
Mine like Gerber turkey and Gerber chicken. Some like one and some like the
other.
L

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Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage.  Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark
meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing
added.  Then you can give him the broth and the chicken.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-28 Thread SALLY NORDSTROM
Please be careful when feeding Tyson products.  Their chickens are loaded with 
steriods!

Yes we can! - Barack Obama
   Sally   


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 From: Chris ti...@mindspring.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:07 AM
 Ingredients off web site
 Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth
 and Flavors),
 Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates.
 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 ti...@mindspring.com 
 Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-27 Thread Laurieskatz

If he has an upper respiratory infection he could be having trouble smelling
and cats eat by smell. If he has a fever, he won't want to eat...If he
hasn't eaten all day (and yesterday)? he is getting into risk of liver
failure. Join the feline assisted feeding yahoo group immediately and find
out what to do to get him eating. Do you have an ER clinic in your area? I
recommend syringe feeding him. First offer him canned tuna or some cooked
chicken thighs. ANYTHING. If he still won't eat, water down canned food with
warm water and syringe feed him. The FAF group can give more detailed
suggestions.
Prayers for the General. The FAF group is great.
L

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he hasn't eaten again today. he was eating fine the last few days, but today

he didn't eat and he's staying in his bed and really isn't communicating
with 
anyone, and this is a social cat.  His little nose and his ears are warm. 
No 
jaundice of his eyes or gums that I can see.  He was sneezing a lot
yesterday 
and this morning.  Not now.  But he's breathing fine.  he just isn't getting

out of his bed. He's stayed totally in the bed for the last 6 hours I know.



My vet isn't open again until Monday.  Is there anything I need to be
doing?  
Remember I know nothing about cats.  I tried doing some googling, and it 
scared me to death!  

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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-27 Thread Sally Davis
Try baby food meat. Junior loved the turkey, just be sure there is no onion
in it. I forget which brands are appropriate. It has been a while since I
had to entice Junior. Also try the L lysine added to it cause the URI could
be frome the herpes virus and this will help. Be sure he doesn't get
dehydrated either.

I will be praying for the General. I know how hard this is for you.

Sally


On 12/27/08, souther...@aol.com souther...@aol.com wrote:

 he hasn't eaten again today. he was eating fine the last few days, but
 today
 he didn't eat and he's staying in his bed and really isn't communicating
 with
 anyone, and this is a social cat.  His little nose and his ears are
 warm.  No
 jaundice of his eyes or gums that I can see.  He was sneezing a lot
 yesterday
 and this morning.  Not now.  But he's breathing fine.  he just isn't
 getting
 out of his bed. He's stayed totally in the bed for the last 6 hours I know.


 My vet isn't open again until Monday.  Is there anything I need to be
 doing?
 Remember I know nothing about cats.  I tried doing some googling, and it
 scared me to death!

 Sidney and the General






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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-27 Thread Southernes
he has only failed to eat today.  He was eating fine yesterday.  

He perked up a little just in the last 10 minutes, came over and made 
biscuits on my tummy and nowhe's taking a bath in the recliner :-)  

THANKS


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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-27 Thread Chris
Try to get him to eat anything--preferably something with liquid in it for
water.  Tuna water from canned tuna sometimes work.  Then start going thru
your refrigerator and try a morsel of anything and everything--cold cuts,
yogurt, cold chicken, beef, cheese--just remember that's what important is
not what he eats but that he eats something.  Also try spoon feeding him a
bit and see if he'll lick the food a bit.  There is something called
Nutrical which comes in a tube--most cats like it.  You put a little strip
of it on your finger and they lick it up.  You should be able to find it in
any pet store and it contains lots of nutrients as well as moisture.  

 

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he has only failed to eat today.  He was eating fine yesterday.  

 

He perked up a little just in the last 10 minutes, came over and made 

biscuits on my tummy and nowhe's taking a bath in the recliner :-)  

 

THANKS

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

2008-12-27 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Hmmm - these are the options I'd consider:
1) sub q fluids
2) if a URI, some safe 4-hour nose drops, seems like Little Noses or  
4-hr neosynephrine

3) Yup, like somebody said, syringe feed chicken baby food

Gloria



On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:02 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote:

he hasn't eaten again today. he was eating fine the last few days,  
but today
he didn't eat and he's staying in his bed and really isn't  
communicating with
anyone, and this is a social cat.  His little nose and his ears are  
warm.  No
jaundice of his eyes or gums that I can see.  He was sneezing a lot  
yesterday
and this morning.  Not now.  But he's breathing fine.  he just isn't  
getting
out of his bed. He's stayed totally in the bed for the last 6 hours  
I know.



My vet isn't open again until Monday.  Is there anything I need to  
be doing?
Remember I know nothing about cats.  I tried doing some googling,  
and it

scared me to death!

Sidney and the General






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