Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-27 Thread dlgegg
Think I goofed, lots of noise and my message got wiped out.  Here goes again.  
I have only given fluids once, to Lil Bit who was 10 years old and down in 
weight.  she was dehydrated so vet gave me fluids and needle to use.  It was an 
18 g and looked awfully big to me for such a small cat (6lbs).  I think I shall 
get some needles just in case I ever need them and i shall get a smaller guage. 
 So I have to sit and hold a cat on my lap a bit longer, big deal.  They are 
always on my lap so waht is new.
 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Maureen,
 
 I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
 use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
 easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
 super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
 from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
 I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
 http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 
 
 The company is www.thrivingpets.com 
 
 Natalie 
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
 
  
 
 For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
  
 What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
 she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
 size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
 thing.
  
 Maureen
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-27 Thread gary
I don't remember offhand, it was over a year ago, but I think I may have 
gotten the link from the files at the FCRF yahoo group they have to give 
fluids all the time so some good advice and links on there.  you can google 
it and check prices, you may need a script for the fluids as they want to 
make sure you are getting the right type of fluid.  I always use lactated 
ringers.


Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Gary, you say you get fluids, etc from a medical supply house.  May I ask 
their name or will just any supply house do?







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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-27 Thread Sharyl
Try this link for info on sub q fluid supplies
http://www.zzcat.com/CRF/supplies/index.html#Top
 
Sharyl 
 


 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
  
I don't remember offhand, it was over a year ago, but I think I may have gotten 
the link from the files at the FCRF yahoo group they have to give fluids all 
the time so some good advice and links on there.  you can google it and check 
prices, you may need a script for the fluids as they want to make sure you are 
getting the right type of fluid.  I always use lactated ringers.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 Gary, you say you get fluids, etc from a medical supply house.  May I ask 
 their name or will just any supply house do?
 
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-27 Thread Holly Shelton
Also, check out this site.  http://bricomedicalsupplies.com/


I had a wonderful cat with CRF who passed away a few years ago at 21.  From 
quick liver failure.


I have a set of great CRF links. Let me know if you want to see them!


Holly and Oliver (FELV positive)



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Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids



Try this link for info on sub q fluid supplies
http://www.zzcat.com/CRF/supplies/index.html#Top
 
Sharyl 


  
 
 
  
  From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
  
 
I don't remember offhand, it was over a year ago, but I think I may have gotten 
the link from the files at the FCRF yahoo group they have to give fluids all 
the time so some good advice and links on there.  you can google it and check 
prices, you may need a script for the fluids as they want to make sure you are 
getting the right type of fluid.  I always use lactated ringers.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 Gary, you say you get fluids, etc from a medical supply house.  May I ask 
 their name or will just any supply house do?
 
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-26 Thread dlgegg
Gary, you say you get fluids, etc from a medical supply house.  May I ask their 
name or will just any supply house do?  


 gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: 
 I use the same 20 ga needle and like them. I think the flow rate is actually 
 a bit slower than an 18 ga., but I would just as soon take a few minutes more 
 and use the smaller needle.
 It is a bit unnerving sticking your baby the first few times you do it and 
 you just might do a through and through a few times, especially on little 
 guys.  Be sure when you are inserting the needle that the open part at the 
 point is facing up and be sure to use a new one each time. Yeah, if you get 
 rattled, it scares them. 
 
 I got mine from the medical supply house where I bought my fluid, MUCH 
 cheaper than getting it from the vet.  I think I paid $32 plus shipping for 
 12 liters of ringers, might be more now.  One thing to watch out for when 
 starting a new bag of fluids, be sure to securely close the roller shutoff on 
 the tubing before inserting into the bag.  If open the air can escape and you 
 won't be able to tell how much you use.  You can fix it by pumping in some 
 air through the med port on the bag with an empty syringe.
 
 Gary
 
 
 From: Maureen Olvey 
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:40 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
 
 
 You got that right - kitty harpoons for sure.  I did it while ago and I just 
 can't do that anymore.  It hurt her when I put it in.   Then of course it 
 freaked me out which I'm sure made it worse for her.  
  
 I'll talk with my vet tomorrow.  Maybe he has those 20 gauge needles.  She's 
 only like 4 lbs. and that needle weighs more than she does!
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
 
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-26 Thread dlgegg
Glad to know about these people.  I have only had to give fluids once, to a 10 
year old who had dropped to 6 lbs and was dehydrated.  The vet supplied 
everything, but I thought the needle was a bit large for Lil Bit's size.  Think 
I will get a package just in case I have to do it again.

 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Maureen,
 
 I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
 use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
 easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
 super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
 from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
 I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
 http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 
 
 The company is www.thrivingpets.com 
 
 Natalie 
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
 
  
 
 For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
  
 What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
 she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
 size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
 thing.
  
 Maureen
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread gary
I use the same 20 ga needle and like them. I think the flow rate is actually a 
bit slower than an 18 ga., but I would just as soon take a few minutes more and 
use the smaller needle.
It is a bit unnerving sticking your baby the first few times you do it and you 
just might do a through and through a few times, especially on little guys.  Be 
sure when you are inserting the needle that the open part at the point is 
facing up and be sure to use a new one each time. Yeah, if you get rattled, it 
scares them. 

I got mine from the medical supply house where I bought my fluid, MUCH cheaper 
than getting it from the vet.  I think I paid $32 plus shipping for 12 liters 
of ringers, might be more now.  One thing to watch out for when starting a new 
bag of fluids, be sure to securely close the roller shutoff on the tubing 
before inserting into the bag.  If open the air can escape and you won't be 
able to tell how much you use.  You can fix it by pumping in some air through 
the med port on the bag with an empty syringe.

Gary


From: Maureen Olvey 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


You got that right - kitty harpoons for sure.  I did it while ago and I just 
can't do that anymore.  It hurt her when I put it in.   Then of course it 
freaked me out which I'm sure made it worse for her.  
 
I'll talk with my vet tomorrow.  Maybe he has those 20 gauge needles.  She's 
only like 4 lbs. and that needle weighs more than she does!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread gary
I wouldn't use one that small except on a very small kitten and then I usually 
take the fluid into a syringe and give it to them.  One trick I learned from a 
vet tech and forgot to mention before.  When the fluid is starting to build up 
to a lump under the cats skin the pressure they feel can make them a bit 
squirmy, so you just squeeze the lump between your fingers (parallel to the 
needle) and it will disperse the fluid and relieve the pressure.  Also, I 
always but the bag into hot tap water to heat the fluid and then run fluid from 
the rig until it runs warm, wastes some fluid but, I get it cheap enough.  Some 
may put it in microwave (be sure no needle attached) and that would save the 
fluid it takes to heat the tubing as you don't put the rig in the hot water.  I 
haven't tried to nuke mine, might take a bit of practice to get it right and 
I'd guess the fluid in the tubing would be pretty hot and need to be run out 
first.  I always test on the inside of my wrist (like with a babies bottle) 
before I give fluid to a kitty.

Gary


From: Maureen Olvey 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread GRAS
Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes,
when you notice that the drip isn't fast enough, even though you've opened
it up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around.  Often, there's a
kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down.
Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with
your fingers by kneading it.

BTW - 6 months old isn't exactly tiny - I would go with a 20..when I had
kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, as someone
mentioned.  But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids than
you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 mL?.

If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the
head facing toward your left under arm - that way you can control the cat
with left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use
right hand to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn't come out if the cat
moves.

For really hard to handle cats, I use a cat bag; it has zippers and Velcro
everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Importance: High

 

What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay
or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

  _  

Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen,

I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 

The company is www.thrivingpets.com 

Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
thing.
 
Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread GRAS
Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes,
when you notice that the drip isn't fast enough, even though you've opened
it up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around.  Often, there's a
kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down.
Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with
your fingers by kneading it.

BTW - 6 months old isn't exactly tiny - I would go with a 20..when I had
kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, as someone
mentioned.  But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids than
you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 mL?.

If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the
head facing toward your left under arm - that way you can control the cat
with left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use
right hand to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn't come out if the cat
moves.

For really hard to handle cats, I use a cat bag; it has zippers and Velcro
everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Importance: High

 

What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay
or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen,

I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 

The company is www.thrivingpets.com 

Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
thing.
 
Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread Maureen Olvey

No, she's not tiny but she's lost weight and barely weighs 4 lbs.  She's
 just so fragile.  But that big 18 gauge needle would hurt me so I know 
it hurts her.  

I don't know how much to give her.  When my vet 
tech friend did it Saturday she stopped after the lump started getting 
big and bothering the kitty.  It wasn't 100 ml.  I think we talked about 
doing half that but when my girl got to really fidgeting we just 
stopped.

I might try the 20 gauge.  They're so cheap maybe I should get one size smaller 
too just to try it.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:37:21 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes, 
when you notice that the drip isn’t fast enough, even though you’ve opened it 
up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around.  Often, there’s a 
kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down.  
Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with 
your fingers by kneading it.BTW – 6 months old isn’t exactly tiny – I would go 
with a 20….when I had kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, 
as someone mentioned.  But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids 
than you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 
mL?.If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the 
head facing toward your left under arm – that way you can control the cat with 
left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use right hand 
to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn’t come out if the cat moves.For 
really hard to handle cats, I use a “cat bag”; it has zippers and Velcro 
everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose.From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Importance: High What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does 
it work okay or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is 
so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluidsMaureen,I never use those “ horse” 
needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1”, and often use 18x1” as well – it may take 
a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, especially for kittens.  Some 
cats have tough skin, and others have super soft skin and the needle just 
glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets a bit expensive and 
they’re not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no prescription needed) – a 
box of 100 is $6.45 
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The 
company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread Maureen Olvey

The monject was what this vet had too.  It worked okay but I'm going to order 
the UTW like you guys suggested.   Thanks for the link.  I'll check it out.  
Anything that helps.  I still don't know that I could do it on an adult cat.  
It was easier on this kitten because she's so small that I could handle her.  
Might have to invest in that cat bag that Natalie mentioned in case I ever 
need to do the adults. Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:02:15 -0700
From: cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

I've used the 20 UTW on 8 week old kittens with no probblm.  BTW I only give 
kittens 25 ml of fluids at a time.  Check with your vet for the recommended 
amount.  Some put the needles in their freezer before using.  Say they slide in 
easier. I never pre-warm the fluids..  Many do..  Just another step.  Here is a 
link to the web site that was my bible when I started giving sub q 
fluids.Sophia 
Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids 
http://www.tinyurl.com/63max   My vet only carried the monject kitty harpoons.  
Good luckSharyl 
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 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 9:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
   





What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread Sharyl
Maureen, I use the Terumo UTW 20 gauge needles.  UTW = ultra thin wall  A UTW 
20 will have the same flow rate as those 18 gauge kitty harpoons.
 
I get mine online from Thriving Pets.
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
  

 
For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread Maureen Olvey

You got that right - kitty harpoons for sure.  I did it while ago and I just 
can't do that anymore.  It hurt her when I put it in.   Then of course it 
freaked me out which I'm sure made it worse for her.   I'll talk with my vet 
tomorrow.  Maybe he has those 20 gauge needles.  She's only like 4 lbs. and 
that needle weighs more than she does!

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:13:15 -0700
From: cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen, I use the Terumo UTW 20 gauge needles.  UTW = ultra thin wall  A UTW 
20 will have the same flow rate as those 18 gauge kitty harpoons. I get mine 
online from Thriving Pets. Sharyl
From: Maureen Olvey
 molvey...@hotmail.com
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 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:44 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
   





For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread GRAS
Maureen,

I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 

The company is www.thrivingpets.com 

Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
thing.
 
Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread Maureen Olvey

What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen,I never use those “ horse” needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1”, and 
often use 18x1” as well – it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot 
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have 
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from 
the vet gets a bit expensive and they’re not as sharp as the ones that I get 
here (no prescription needed) – a box of 100 is $6.45 
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The 
company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread Holly Shelton
When my renal cat, Spader was alive, I used the Monoject 20's and my vets 
matched the prices from Brico Online.  Holly



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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


Maureen,
I never use those “ horse” needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1”, and often use 
18x1” as well – it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, 
especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have super soft 
skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets 
a bit expensive and they’re not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no 
prescription needed) – a box of 100 is $6.45 
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 
The company is www.thrivingpets.com 
Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread Lee Evans
My vet used what looked like a horse needle on my skinny 5 pound cat.  I said 
ouch when he stabbed the needle into the cat and it came out the other side of 
the fur.  What an idiot.  I asked him if he could use smaller needle.  He said 
that the one he was using was regulation size.  I can't believe that I fell for 
that line!!!



 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
 

 
What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


Maureen,
I never use those “ horse” needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1”, and often use 
18x1” as well – it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, 
especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have super soft 
skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets 
a bit expensive and they’re not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no 
prescription needed) – a box of 100 is $6.45 
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 
The company is www.thrivingpets.com 
Natalie 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
 
For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
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