Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2012-01-06 Thread Lorrie
On 01-05, Marcia Baronda wrote: 

 That infuriates me. Such a waste of life! Sometimes I think the
 wildlife should be armed!

I agree with you on that one.  I detest hunters!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-16 Thread MaiMaiPG
 Factory farmed animals need protection too.  I understand that  
chickens can be caged with as little as 12 inches of space, with their  
beaks cut off, etc while veal calves have little or no room to move  
since that leads to muscles and less tender meat.  Talk about sick.

On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

Sick bastards.sorry but that's mild compared to what I'd really  
like to say. The HSUS does a lot of good work. Maybe someday soon  
they will tackle this one. My state rep tried to tell me (in a form  
letter of course) that animals have enough protection. If he's that  
stupid or thinks I am, then it scares me that he's in the position  
he's in!


Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with,  
Christmas 2010.


On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I have a video of this, and it’s amazing, when we showed it in a  
lobby of an auditorium before a vote was taken on hiring these paid  
guns, very few people wanted to look, and if they did, they said  
that the deer must be killed, so what difference does it make  on  
how…..




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How horrible.

On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote:




It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait  
the area for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright  
lights, and all the deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they’re  
not dead, they put a plastic bag over their heads to finish them  
off, while they drag them away, still kicking….Or the use a large  
net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really  
struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a  
thrashing animal!)


There’s such great sportsmanship involved, it’s hard to respect or  
even like these guys!




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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters



They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep  
people from doing it though.


On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:





thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
 wrote:


It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were  
so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them.  
In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and  
have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start  
eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my  
opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com 


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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters



On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them  
hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it  
(yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal  
is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone  
have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our  
woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking  
sight.

  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


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 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals.  
As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these  
wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this  
journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all  
plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that  
are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the  
same right to exist

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-16 Thread dlgegg
I did that one time and then called the sheriff and told them I was scared to 
death, these men were on my ground and had guns.  They never came back after 
that and the word got around that I would report them and others stopped doing 
that.


 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and
 walk back into the woods.  We could hear them, but never find them,
 so because they were parked where I could get to their cars I began
 letting the air out of their tires!
 
 
 Lorrie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-16 Thread dlgegg
People like that should be shot.


 molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 LOL - too funny!  Thanks for a great laugh.  Except for one thing.  Instead 
 of baseball bat to the butt, should be upside his head.  There must be blood 
 or he won't learn his lesson!

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- Reply message -
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:41 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then
when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt!
Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
I don't see how anyone could do it.
  
 _

 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


 Tripod and she
 in
 our yard

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread MaiMaiPG
They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep  
people from doing it though.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:


thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
 wrote:
It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were  
so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them.  
In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and  
have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating  
and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on  
it. Deer are such beautiful animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie  
felineres...@frontier.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them  
hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it  
(yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal  
is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone  
have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods  
and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking  
sight.

  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_

I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she
in
our yard

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Herington, Kansas 67449
Phone: 785-466-2501
Cell:785-230-6499

 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals.  
As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these  
wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this  
journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all  
plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that  
are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the  
same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread molveywda
LOL - too funny!  Thanks for a great laugh.  Except for one thing.  Instead of 
baseball bat to the butt, should be upside his head.  There must be blood or he 
won't learn his lesson!

sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:41 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then
when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt!
Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
I don't see how anyone could do it.
  
 _

 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


 Tripod and she
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread molveywda
You know, sometimes it seems we are progressing because of all the animal 
welfare movements and all the laws to protect animals.  There are more and more 
people learning about abuse and taking a stand against it which is very 
encouraging.  Yet it seems that in the past it was just plain common sense, 
decency, and compassion that kept us from needing so many of those laws to 
protect the animals.  Sometimes I can't tell if people are getting worse or 
better regarding the treatment of animals.

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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO NOT SEEM TO LEARN.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
 treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
 who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
 learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.
 
 ~b.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
 Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
 them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
 dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
 teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
 either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
 decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
 and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
 humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Natalie
It's legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area
for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the
deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they're not dead, they put a plastic
bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still
kicking..Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited
area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a
thrashing animal!)

There's such great sportsmanship involved, it's hard to respect or even like
these guys!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from
doing it though.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:





thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
wrote:

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she
in
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Phone: 785-466-2501

Cell:785-230-6499

 

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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
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wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Lynda Wilson
I can't even bear the thought! It makes me sick!!  I believe an eye for an eye 
in this case. Let's see how they like it!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Natalie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  It's legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area 
for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the deer 
just walk up to the slaughter. If they're not dead, they put a plastic bag over 
their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still kicking..Or 
the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really 
struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a thrashing animal!)

  There's such great sportsmanship involved, it's hard to respect or even like 
these guys!

   

  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

   

  They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from 
doing it though.

  On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:





  thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

  On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
wrote:

  It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many 
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked 
for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the 
ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I 
certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals.
  - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


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  1550 S 2700 Rd.

  Herington, Kansas 67449

  Phone: 785-466-2501

  Cell:785-230-6499

   

   I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a 
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who 
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my 
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, 
have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. 
They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Natalie
There's something wrong, seriously wrong with people who can't wait to kill
an animal.  When we see a gorgeous, or ANY animal, we admire them, enjoy
looking at them, and always wish that we had a camera handy - for those
people it's the exact opposite, anything they see, they immediately want to
kill, in order to own?  Or what is it?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

I can't even bear the thought! It makes me sick!!  I believe an eye for an
eye in this case. Let's see how they like it!!

- Original Message - 

From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:03 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

It's legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area
for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the
deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they're not dead, they put a plastic
bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still
kicking..Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited
area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a
thrashing animal!)

There's such great sportsmanship involved, it's hard to respect or even like
these guys!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from
doing it though.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

 

thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
wrote:

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


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Herington, Kansas 67449

Phone: 785-466-2501

Cell:785-230-6499

 

 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
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wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Natalie
That’s a hard one to answer……I think people seem to be more angry, less in 
control over their own lives, and that’s when they tend to be more cruel, 
showing their power over helpless people and animals! On the other hand, 
crazies have always been around, but we didn’t hear of the atrocities as 
quickly, if ever, thanks to cyberspace.

At least with laws, whether they actually stop the horrible things from 
happening or not, one can at least try to prosecute…..without them, one 
couldn’t even try.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:50 AM
To: dlgegg; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

You know, sometimes it seems we are progressing because of all the animal 
welfare movements and all the laws to protect animals.  There are more and more 
people learning about abuse and taking a stand against it which is very 
encouraging.  Yet it seems that in the past it was just plain common sense, 
decency, and compassion that kept us from needing so many of those laws to 
protect the animals.  Sometimes I can't tell if people are getting worse or 
better regarding the treatment of animals.

sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO NOT SEEM TO LEARN.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
 treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
 who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
 learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.
 
 ~b.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
 Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
 them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
 dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
 teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
 either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
 decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
 and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
 humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets




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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread molveywda
My hero!

sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 8:17 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and
walk back into the woods.  We could hear them, but never find them,
so because they were parked where I could get to their cars I began
letting the air out of their tires!


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread MaiMaiPG

How horrible.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote:

It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait  
the area for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright  
lights, and all the deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they’re  
not dead, they put a plastic bag over their heads to finish them  
off, while they drag them away, still kicking….Or the use a large  
net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really  
struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a thrashing  
animal!)
There’s such great sportsmanship involved, it’s hard to respect or  
even like these guys!


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep  
people from doing it though.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:


thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
 wrote:
It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were  
so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them.  
In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and  
have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating  
and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on  
it. Deer are such beautiful animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie  
felineres...@frontier.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them  
hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it  
(yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal  
is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone  
have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods  
and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking  
sight.

  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_

I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she
in
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Baronda Supplies  Service, Inc.
1550 S 2700 Rd.
Herington, Kansas 67449
Phone: 785-466-2501
Cell:785-230-6499

 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals.  
As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these  
wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this  
journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all  
plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that  
are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Lorrie
On 09-15, Natalie wrote:
There's something wrong, seriously wrong with people who can't wait to
kill  an  animal.   When  we  see a gorgeous, or ANY animal, we admire
them,  enjoy  looking  at  them,  and always wish that we had a camera
handy  -  for those people it's the exact opposite, anything they see,
they immediately want to kill, in order to own?  Or what is it?
 
They've gotta be miserable, mentally sick, insecure little creeps
to enjoy murdering innocent animals.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Natalie
I have a video of this, and it's amazing, when we showed it in a lobby of an
auditorium before a vote was taken on hiring these paid guns, very few
people wanted to look, and if they did, they said that the deer must be
killed, so what difference does it make  on how...

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

How horrible.  

On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote:





It's legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area
for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the
deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they're not dead, they put a plastic
bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still
kicking..Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited
area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a
thrashing animal!)

There's such great sportsmanship involved, it's hard to respect or even like
these guys!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from
doing it though.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:






thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
wrote:

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she
in
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1550 S 2700 Rd.

Herington, Kansas 67449

Phone: 785-466-2501

Cell:785-230-6499

 

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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
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wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Marcia Baronda
Sick bastards.sorry but that's mild compared to what I'd really like to 
say. The HSUS does a lot of good work. Maybe someday soon they will tackle this 
one. My state rep tried to tell me (in a form letter of course) that animals 
have enough protection. If he's that stupid or thinks I am, then it scares me 
that he's in the position he's in!

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have a video of this, and it’s amazing, when we showed it in a lobby of an 
 auditorium before a vote was taken on hiring these paid guns, very few people 
 wanted to look, and if they did, they said that the deer must be killed, so 
 what difference does it make  on how…..
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 How horrible.  
 
 On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 
 
 
 It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area 
 for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the deer 
 just walk up to the slaughter. If they’re not dead, they put a plastic bag 
 over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still 
 kicking….Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited 
 area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a 
 thrashing animal!)
 
 There’s such great sportsmanship involved, it’s hard to respect or even like 
 these guys!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from 
 doing it though.
 
 On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!
 
 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
 wrote:
 
 It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many 
 deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked 
 for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the 
 ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I 
 certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals.
 - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
 
   Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
   and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
   least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
   beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
   the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
   lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
   I don't see how anyone could do it.
 _
 
 
 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 Tripod and she
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 our yard
 
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 1550 S 2700 Rd.
 
 Herington, Kansas 67449
 
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 
 Cell:785-230-6499
 
  
 
  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a 
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who 
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my 
 conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or 
 wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit 
 humans. They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Marcia Baronda
I think it gives them a sick sense of power.  Karma karma karma!

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On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 On 09-15, Natalie wrote:
   There's something wrong, seriously wrong with people who can't wait to
   kill  an  animal.   When  we  see a gorgeous, or ANY animal, we admire
   them,  enjoy  looking  at  them,  and always wish that we had a camera
   handy  -  for those people it's the exact opposite, anything they see,
   they immediately want to kill, in order to own?  Or what is it?
 
 They've gotta be miserable, mentally sick, insecure little creeps
 to enjoy murdering innocent animals.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Good for you!
~B.

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters

When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and walk
back into the woods.  We could hear them, but never find them, so because
they were parked where I could get to their cars I began letting the air out
of their tires!


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread Natalie


The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way
its animals are treated


*   Mahatma Gandhi

Yet in a way, I'd hate to think that the innocent animals that are being
abused so terribly all the time, are here merely as reincarnations of
horrible people, having reversed their roles. That our beloved pets, are
too.

Somehow, this whole things puts a big hole in reincarnation, to think that
after thousands of years, reincarnated beings haven't learned anything.

N

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.

~b.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
they ever find another life-mate or not.

I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
humanely.

It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
people amusing themselves.

Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
THAT!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
 
We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
Go figure!
 
When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
 
Georgetta


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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
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conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
humans. They have the same right to exist

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread dlgegg
You have hit the nail on the head, WE HAVE NOT LEARNED ANYTHING FROM THE PAST.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 
 
 The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way
 its animals are treated
 
 
 *   Mahatma Gandhi
 
 Yet in a way, I'd hate to think that the innocent animals that are being
 abused so terribly all the time, are here merely as reincarnations of
 horrible people, having reversed their roles. That our beloved pets, are
 too.
 
 Somehow, this whole things puts a big hole in reincarnation, to think that
 after thousands of years, reincarnated beings haven't learned anything.
 
 N
 
  
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:17 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
 treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
 who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
 learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.
 
 ~b.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
 Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
 them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
 dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
 teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
 either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
 decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
 and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
 humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
 were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
 we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
 arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
 bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
 Go figure!
  
 When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
 in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
 sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
 both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
 unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
 annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
 few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
 admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
  
 Georgetta
 
 
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 Baronda Supplies  Service, Inc.
 
 1550 S 2700 Rd.
 
 Herington, Kansas 67449
 
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 
 Cell:785-230-6499
 
  
 
  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread dlgegg
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO NOT SEEM TO LEARN.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
 treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
 who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
 learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.
 
 ~b.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
 Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
 them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
 dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
 teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
 either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
 decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
 and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
 humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
 were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
 we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
 arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
 bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
 Go figure!
  
 When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
 in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
 sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
 both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
 unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
 annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
 few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
 admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
  
 Georgetta
 
 
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 Marcia Baronda
 
 Baronda Supplies  Service, Inc.
 
 1550 S 2700 Rd.
 
 Herington, Kansas 67449
 
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 
 Cell:785-230-6499
 
  
 
  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
 conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
 wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
 humans. They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM
 
  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread dlgegg
oOPS, HIT SEND TOO OON.  eITHER WE DO NOT LEARN OR THOE WHO WERE TORTURED IN 
PREVIOUS LIFE NOW WANT TO TO UNTO OTHERS AS THEY HAVE DONE UNTO US.
 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
 treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
 who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
 learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.
 
 ~b.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
 Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
 them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
 dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
 teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
 either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
 decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
 and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
 humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
 were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
 we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
 arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
 bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
 Go figure!
  
 When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
 in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
 sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
 both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
 unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
 annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
 few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
 admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
  
 Georgetta
 
 
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 Marcia Baronda
 
 Baronda Supplies  Service, Inc.
 
 1550 S 2700 Rd.
 
 Herington, Kansas 67449
 
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 
 Cell:785-230-6499
 
  
 
  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
 conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
 wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
 humans. They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM
 
  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread Bonnie Hogue
You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then
when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt!
Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda!
~Bonnie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
I don't see how anyone could do it.
  
 _

 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


 Tripod and she
 in
 our yard

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread Lynda Wilson

Bonnie~

I think I can do that...he's still in Austin and still hunts...hm, when 
is deer season?
- Original Message - 
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, 
then

when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt!
Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so 
many

deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of 
corn

on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters



On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
   Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them 
hunt
   and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). 
At
   least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is 
so
   beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone 
have
   the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods 
and
   lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking 
sight.

   I don't see how anyone could do it.

_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she
in
our yard

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread dlgegg
BUT, you don't understad, Us Good Ole Boys have to prove our manhood by hunting 
these cratures.  And ALL US GOOD OLE BOYS stick together like glue.  Even if 
you saw one fire he hot that hit you, the would question your intelligence.  
Anybody remember an incident up north a few years back when a woman was shot 
and killed while hanging out laundry in her back yard.  THE JUDGE MIND YOU said 
she should have known better than to go outside 1st day o the season.  You 
don't have to be uneducated to be dumb!
At least in pioneer days, they hunted for food and did not go crazy like they 
do today.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I can't imagine much meat on them, and I doubt they're willing to cook them
 for an ounce of meat - it's only for sport, and the pigeons they shoot are
 trapped in cities and transported to the shooting sites.  That's why they're
 in those traps for so long without food or water.  Some even die in there.
 
 99% of deer hunting is for a trophy!  If they want to eat deer that have
 been eating toxic substances, or get something like mad Cow disease, in deer
 it's Chronic Wasting, it doesn't show up in a long time, like 20 yrs or
 more...
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 Oh my gosh!! I could not put up with all that as long as you did! Is Dove
 meat really that good? I would not think there would be much meat on them.
 
  
 
 Dove hunting is still popular here in Texas and I don't like it. My bird
 feeder stays full all the time and I have two doves that come in the late
 afternoon and feed on the seed that is on the ground around the bird feeder.
 They are beautiful birds.  I only have one pigeon that lost it's mate about
 3 yrs ago that comes around my feeder as well.  I could never imagine
 shooting them.
 
 - Original Message - 
 
 From: Georgetta Brickey mailto:gebr...@hotmail.com  
 
 To: FeLV List mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
 
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:51 PM
 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
 were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
 we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
 arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
 bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
 Go figure!
  
 When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
 in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
 sitting on coolers of beer with umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
 both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
 unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
 annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
 few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
 admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread dlgegg
My deer come up on the deck to say howdy to me and my cougar visits ever so 
often.  If we left things up to nature, there would be no overpopulation of 
deer, etc.  The cougar, wolve, coyote and bear would keep things in balance.  
But of course, we all kow these animals are dangerous and will kill us.  They 
will if we are stupid and aggrevate them.  Run and that will trigger the 
preditor instinct.  They have to be hungry before they will deal wth humans.  
My cougar looks at me nd then saunters on across the road.  I even talk to him, 
he turns and looks at me, sometimes snarls like I am a stupid old woman. We 
even have a bear across the river in an old barn and he/she has never bothered 
anyone arund this area.  In fact, you have to be lucky or really trying to 
catch sight of them.


 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 My boss has 16 acres in a rural area. He's got a deer feeder there, and also
 has a place WAY up north, where baby bears sometimes come to raid the animal
 feeders he's got there. But he's also got like 97,000 guns of all types, and
 goes out gopher-hunting on his LawnBoy. I have to really zen out when he's
 talking about things he's killed. BTW, he is our county's Medical Examiner
 and has seen more human devastation and death than anybody ever should have
 to. I just get to see pictures of it. You would think he'd want to get as
 far from death as possible in his off-time, but no.
 
  
 
 Diane R.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:56 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and
 actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least
 they are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a
 creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill
 them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your
 yard is a special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do
 it.  
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
 Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
 No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
 in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
 think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
 accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
 deer!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
  On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 
 
  What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
  themselves, and are referred to as the only real
  conservationists...what a joke!
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread Marcia Baronda
thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:

 It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
 deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
 worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
 on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
 sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
 animals.
 - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

   Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
   and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
   least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
   beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
   the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
   lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
   I don't see how anyone could do it.
 __**__**
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 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-14 Thread Lynda Wilson
Marcia, I totally agree!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marcia Baronda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell!


  On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
wrote:

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many 
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked 
for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the 
ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I 
certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals.
- Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters




  On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.
_


  I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
  so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
  It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
  it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
  to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
  brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

  Lorrie


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veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who 
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Lorrie
On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
I don't see how anyone could do it.
  _

I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she 
in
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters factory farmers

2011-09-13 Thread Lorrie
On 09-12, MaiMaiPG wrote:
 Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for  
 factory farmers.

Very true.  Both kinds are detestable

 On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
  wrote:
 
 I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big  
 brown eyes and then pull the trigger.  Have to make it on berries.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Lynda Wilson
Oh my gosh!! I could not put up with all that as long as you did! Is Dove meat 
really that good? I would not think there would be much meat on them.

Dove hunting is still popular here in Texas and I don't like it. My bird feeder 
stays full all the time and I have two doves that come in the late afternoon 
and feed on the seed that is on the ground around the bird feeder. They are 
beautiful birds.  I only have one pigeon that lost it's mate about 3 yrs ago 
that comes around my feeder as well.  I could never imagine shooting them.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Georgetta Brickey 
  To: FeLV List 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:51 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family 
farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
   
  We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our 
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our 
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets were 
raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were 
afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he arrived to talk 
to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot 
dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!  Go figure!
   
  When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck 
in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides 
sitting on coolers of beer with umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both 
sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work unscathed 
for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual 
killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few 
friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he 
fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Lynda Wilson
It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many 
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I 
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn 
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me 
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful 
animals.
- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters



On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:

   Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
   and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
   least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
   beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
   the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
   lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
   I don't see how anyone could do it.
 _


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
My boss has 16 acres in a rural area. He's got a deer feeder there, and also
has a place WAY up north, where baby bears sometimes come to raid the animal
feeders he's got there. But he's also got like 97,000 guns of all types, and
goes out gopher-hunting on his LawnBoy. I have to really zen out when he's
talking about things he's killed. BTW, he is our county's Medical Examiner
and has seen more human devastation and death than anybody ever should have
to. I just get to see pictures of it. You would think he'd want to get as
far from death as possible in his off-time, but no.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least
they are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a
creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill
them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your
yard is a special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do
it.  

 

  _  

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


 On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

 What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
 themselves, and are referred to as the only real
 conservationists...what a joke!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Natalie
I can't imagine much meat on them, and I doubt they're willing to cook them
for an ounce of meat - it's only for sport, and the pigeons they shoot are
trapped in cities and transported to the shooting sites.  That's why they're
in those traps for so long without food or water.  Some even die in there.

99% of deer hunting is for a trophy!  If they want to eat deer that have
been eating toxic substances, or get something like mad Cow disease, in deer
it's Chronic Wasting, it doesn't show up in a long time, like 20 yrs or
more...

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Oh my gosh!! I could not put up with all that as long as you did! Is Dove
meat really that good? I would not think there would be much meat on them.

 

Dove hunting is still popular here in Texas and I don't like it. My bird
feeder stays full all the time and I have two doves that come in the late
afternoon and feed on the seed that is on the ground around the bird feeder.
They are beautiful birds.  I only have one pigeon that lost it's mate about
3 yrs ago that comes around my feeder as well.  I could never imagine
shooting them.

- Original Message - 

From: Georgetta Brickey mailto:gebr...@hotmail.com  

To: FeLV List mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:51 PM

Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
 
We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
Go figure!
 
When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
sitting on coolers of beer with umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
 
Georgetta


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Natalie
Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are managed
for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological
carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then why
would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about that
rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
I don't see how anyone could do it.
  
 _

 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Lynda Wilson

Unfortunately, you are so right, Natalie :(
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are 
managed

for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the 
biological

carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then 
why
would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about 
that

rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so 
many

deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of 
corn

on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters



On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
   Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them 
hunt
   and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). 
At
   least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is 
so
   beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone 
have
   the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods 
and
   lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking 
sight.

   I don't see how anyone could do it.

_


I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are
so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally
it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes
to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing,
brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

Lorrie


Tripod and she
in
our yard

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Terri Brown
The have controlled deer hunts in Princeton, NJ (about 20 miles from where I 
live) every year.  They claim it's for the safety of the residents.   They also 
claim that we are overpopulated.  Which is hogwash -- humans took over their 
natural habitat, so we kill them just to thin out the herd?  Puh-leeze.  Ticks 
me off.  They send snipers and sharpshooters to kill them with bolt-like 
bullets.   They make a big thing out of it every year on the NJ talk radio.   
Those people in Princeton are more concerned with how their lawns look than 
they are about the deer -- and yet they shop at Whole Earth Center and won't 
eat anything that isn't organic.  Hypocrites.

T
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  From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net 
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are managed
  for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
  opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
  alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological
  carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
  always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then why
  would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about that
  rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

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felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

  It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
  deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
  worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
  on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
  sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
  animals.
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


   On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.

   _
  
   I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
   so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
   It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
   it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
   to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
   brave little doe and we call her Tripod.
  
   Lorrie
  
  
   Tripod and she
   in
   our yard
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters/PLEASE EXPLAIN

2011-09-13 Thread dot winkler
Please explain what you mean by managed for maximum sustained yield. 



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are managed
for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological
carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then why
would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about that
rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
    Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
    and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
    least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
    beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
    the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
    lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
    I don't see how anyone could do it.
      
 _

 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters/PLEASE EXPLAIN

2011-09-13 Thread Natalie
In laymen's terms:

Maximum sustained yield (MSY) - is used in game management to ensure the
highest growth rate by manipulating the natural 1:1 sex ratio.  For example,
by allowing the killing of mostly males, which are desirable as trophies
over females because of their racks, it is calculated that one male can
impregnate many females (much as cattle on ranches, or chicken farms, where
they may have only one rooster).  It has also been found though studies in
FL that in hunted herds, deer have twins/triplets at the rate of 38%,
whereas in non-hunted herds this occurs only at the rate of 14%. What state
wildlife agencies actually do is game management, NOT wildlife management
(which they claim to do).  They manipulate only certain species for surplus
that are desirable and preferred for lucrative hunting.

Maximum sustainable yield - There's a lot of propaganda and half-truths in
this explanation, specifically regarding biological carrying capacity vs.
social carrying capacity, which they never acknowledge. To some people, one
deer is too many!

In population ecology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_ecology  and
economics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics , maximum sustainable
yield or MSY is, theoretically, the largest yield (or catch) that can be
taken from a species' stock over an indefinite period. Fundamental to the
notion of sustainable harvest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_harvest , the concept of MSY aims
to maintain the population size at the point of maximum growth rate by
harvesting the individuals that would normally be added to the population,
allowing the population to continue to be productive indefinitely. Under the
assumption of logistic growth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function , resource limitation does
not constrain individuals' reproductive rates when populations are small,
but because there are few individuals, the overall yield is small. At
intermediate population densities, also represented by half the carrying
capacity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity , individuals are
able to breed to their maximum rate. At this point, called the maximum
sustainable yield, there is a surplus of individuals that can be harvested
because growth of the population is at its maximum point due to the large
number reproducing individuals. Above this point, density dependent factors
increasingly limit breeding until the population reaches carrying capacity.
At this point, there are no surplus individuals to be harvested and yield
drops to zero. The maximum sustainable yield is usually higher than the
optimum sustainable yield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_sustainable_yield  and
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maximum_economic_yieldaction=edi
tredlink=1 maximum economic yield.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters/PLEASE EXPLAIN

 

Please explain what you mean by managed for maximum sustained yield. 

 

  _  

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are managed
for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological
carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then why
would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about that
rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.  How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.

~b.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
they ever find another life-mate or not.

I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
humanely.

It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
people amusing themselves.

Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
THAT!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
 
We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
Go figure!
 
When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
 
Georgetta


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 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-13 Thread Marcia Baronda
I don't understand what is wrong with some of our fellow human beings. There is 
a total disregard for life. That just made me sick about the pigeons! Yea, big 
men aren't they? As bad as canned hunts which absolutely disgust me!

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot 
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don’t go on neighbors’ properties, 
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain 
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I’m not sure if 
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.  
 Families having picnics, while their “menfolk” shot at pigeons that had been 
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days– they were 
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly 
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at them. 
  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields, dying a 
 slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until teen boys 
 nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks, either broke 
 their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a decapitated pigeon at 
 me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians and wildlife rehabbers 
 to treat the injured birds or euthanize them humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty 
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is 
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from 
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family 
 farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our 
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our 
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets were 
 raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we 
 were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he arrived 
 to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was 
 bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!  
 Go figure!
  
 When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck 
 in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides 
 sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both 
 sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work unscathed 
 for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual 
 killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few 
 friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit 
 he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
  
 Georgetta
 
 
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 1550 S 2700 Rd.
 
 Herington, Kansas 67449
 
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 
 Cell:785-230-6499
 
  
 
  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a 
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who 
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my 
 conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or 
 wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit 
 humans. They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread Lorrie
Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


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 What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
 themselves, and are referred to as the only real
 conservationists...what a joke!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread Terri Brown
I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.  I have less 
of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still.  I'd rather be 
a vegetarian than kill for meat any day.

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  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
  No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
  in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
  think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
  accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
  deer!!

  Lorrie


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   What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
   themselves, and are referred to as the only real
   conservationists...what a joke!
   

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread Natalie
Welcome to my kinda club!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the
surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as
sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where
some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!!

Lorrie


 On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

 What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to 
 themselves, and are referred to as the only real 
 conservationists...what a joke!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread dlgegg
I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes 
and then pull the trigger.  Haveto make it on berries.

 Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.  I have 
 less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still.  I'd 
 rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day.
 
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
   - Original Message - 
   From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
 
   Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
   No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
   in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
   think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
   accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
   deer!!
 
   Lorrie
 
 
On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 
 
What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
themselves, and are referred to as the only real
conservationists...what a joke!

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread MaiMaiPG
Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for  
factory farmers.
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:


I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big  
brown eyes and then pull the trigger.  Haveto make it on berries.


 Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:
I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.   
I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they  
killbut still.  I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat  
any day.


=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori  
and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome  
and Sammi =^..^=

 - Original Message -
 From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
 No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
 in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
 think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
 accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
 deer!!

 Lorrie



On 09-12, Natalie wrote:



What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
themselves, and are referred to as the only real
conservationists...what a joke!



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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread dlgegg
I agree, lots of the guys around here eat the deer and turkey o whtever they 
get.  Daniel Boone and other frontiersmen did too.  But the guy who goes out o 
get a big rack to hang o the wall deserves a swift kick i the ---.


 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for  
 factory farmers.
 On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
   wrote:
 
  I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big  
  brown eyes and then pull the trigger.  Haveto make it on berries.
 
   Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.   
  I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they  
  killbut still.  I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat  
  any day.
 
  =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori  
  and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome  
  and Sammi =^..^=
   - Original Message -
   From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
 
   Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
   No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
   in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
   think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
   accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
   deer!!
 
   Lorrie
 
 
  On 09-12, Natalie wrote:
 
  What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
  themselves, and are referred to as the only real
  conservationists...what a joke!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread dot winkler
Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and 
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they 
are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature 
to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill them?  They 
are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your yard is a 
special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do it.  



From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


 On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

 What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
 themselves, and are referred to as the only real
 conservationists...what a joke!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread Natalie
Bowhunting is the worst..the injuries are horrid, the pain and suffering is
immense, and bowhunting starts right now in most states, and many fawns will
be orphaned not able to survive winters on their own! Blood lust and the
thrill of the kill is the driving force - it's not even sportsmanship!
They're a bunch of little men who love torturing wildlife and are nothing
more than a bunch of sadists!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least
they are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a
creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill
them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your
yard is a special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do
it.  

 

  _  

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


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 What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
 themselves, and are referred to as the only real
 conservationists...what a joke!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread Marcia Baronda
doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
THAT!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.

 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
 were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
 we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
 arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
 bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
 Go figure!

 When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
 in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
 sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
 both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
 unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
 annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
 few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
 admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?

 Georgetta

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-12 Thread Natalie
So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
they ever find another life-mate or not.

I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
humanely.

It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
people amusing themselves.

Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
THAT!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
 
We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets
were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and
we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff.  When he
arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was
bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!!
Go figure!
 
When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck
in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides
sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on
both sides of the road for flocks to fly over.  I managed to get to work
unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov.
annual killing season.  Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a
few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would
admit he fired the blinding shot.  Nice, huh?
 
Georgetta


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Herington, Kansas 67449

Phone: 785-466-2501

Cell:785-230-6499

 

 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
humans. They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM

 

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