Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-05-05 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
hi, sorry it took so long to answer. I went to the vet on May 1,and he gave 
meProzyme13 dram. He said put 1/4 tsp in food once a day.IT COST $8. sINCE 
BOSCO'S blood count is down,he gave mePet-Tinic 4ml 8ml 2x daily by mouth . 
This is a vitamin-mineral palatable liquid
. It is 4fl oz for $12. The prices are right,and aleast he gave me meds. Some 
vets say he/she has felv,and that's it.And that's after spending alot of money 
for the wellness blood test. Cathy 
--- On Wed, 4/22/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:


From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:55 PM


I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a
company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com  The product is not
related to IR.  Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some
have not.  I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness
when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use
as a simple immune booster.  Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try
for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.

Gary 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin

Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below  
from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info  
on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR  
itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even  
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other  
than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets  
supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively.

Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am  
excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the  
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their  
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and  
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making  
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor  
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that  
but still excited about the possibilities here.

Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very  
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy  
that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's  
website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen  
anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??

Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-05-05 Thread Cougar Clan
If you need Pet Tinic long term you may be able to order it on  
amazon.com cheaper.  I bought  a large quantity for some ferals a few  
months ago.  I can't recall the price but it was very good.  Good luck.

On May 5, 2009, at 2:46 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote:

hi, sorry it took so long to answer. I went to the vet on May 1,and  
he gave meProzyme13 dram. He said put 1/4 tsp in food once a day.IT  
COST $8. sINCE BOSCO'S blood count is down,he gave mePet-Tinic 4ml  
8ml 2x daily by mouth . This is a vitamin-mineral palatable liquid
. It is 4fl oz for $12. The prices are right,and aleast he gave me  
meds. Some vets say he/she has felv,and that's it.And that's after  
spending alot of money for the wellness blood test. Cathy

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:


From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:55 PM


I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made  
by a
company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com  The  
product is not
related to IR.  Some people have had very good success with LTCI and  
some
have not.  I don't believe there is any information about its  
effectiveness
when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive  
to use
as a simple immune booster.  Assuming I had the money, I might give  
it a try

for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry  
MacKenzie

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin

Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below
from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info
on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR
itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other
than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets
supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas,  
respectively.



Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am

excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that
but still excited about the possibilities here.

Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy
that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's
website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen
anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??

Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-05-05 Thread MaryChristine
always, always do a web search for anything you'll need even a reasonable
amount of--even a simple search on a site like www.shopping.com can provide
really amazing results. (do one for KMR 12 oz powder, for example, and
find the incredible range of prices. and see who is, surprisingly, the
least expensive in the country--INCLUDING, tho it won't show up on that sort
of search, amongst vet wholesalers!)

-- 
Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-05-05 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
THANKS..

--- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote:


From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:00 PM


If you need Pet Tinic long term you may be able to order it on amazon.com 
cheaper.  I bought  a large quantity for some ferals a few months ago.  I can't 
recall the price but it was very good.  Good luck.
On May 5, 2009, at 2:46 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote:

 hi, sorry it took so long to answer. I went to the vet on May 1,and he gave 
 meProzyme13 dram. He said put 1/4 tsp in food once a day.IT COST $8. sINCE 
 BOSCO'S blood count is down,he gave mePet-Tinic 4ml 8ml 2x daily by mouth . 
 This is a vitamin-mineral palatable liquid
 . It is 4fl oz for $12. The prices are right,and aleast he gave me meds. Some 
 vets say he/she has felv,and that's it.And that's after spending alot of 
 money for the wellness blood test. Cathy
 --- On Wed, 4/22/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
 
 
 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:55 PM
 
 
 I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a
 company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com  The product is not
 related to IR.  Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some
 have not.  I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness
 when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use
 as a simple immune booster.  Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try
 for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin
 
 Dear all,
 Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
 My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below
 from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info
 on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR
 itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
 I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even
 unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
 I've been trying to research on the web with no success.
 
 I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other
 than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets
 supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively.
 
 Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am
 excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the
 immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their
 diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and
 intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making
 him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor
 thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that
 but still excited about the possibilities here.
 
 Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very
 welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy
 that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's
 website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen
 anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??
 
 Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
 Kerry M.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread Jane Lyons

Hi Kerry
I think that MC and Lance know something about it. If you go to the  
other Felv group, Sheila Smith's
husband is a vet in Austin,Tx and he has been giving it to his Felv  
cats for quite a while. He was available
to talk to vets who were interested in using it. She would be able to  
update you on the results he has had with it.


My vet was turned off by Immulan's website. Apparently the company  
had been sold recently and the original
clinical trials were discontinued and the current owners were not  
forthcoming with information. My vet was
not interested in working with them, and I dropped it because MeMe  
was doing well with Interferon. I wish I had
more information to share, but if you track down Sheila Smith, you  
should get some current information.


Jane
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote:


Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract  
below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for  
any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or  
even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even  
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.

I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin  
other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles  
by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas,  
respectively.


Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am  
excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the  
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their  
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and  
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making  
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor  
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of  
that but still excited about the possibilities here.


Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very  
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a  
guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's  
website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never  
seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??


Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread gary
I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a
company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com  The product is not
related to IR.  Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some
have not.  I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness
when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use
as a simple immune booster.  Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try
for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.

Gary 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin

Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below  
from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info  
on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR  
itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even  
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other  
than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets  
supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively.

 Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am  
excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the  
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their  
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and  
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making  
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor  
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that  
but still excited about the possibilities here.

Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very  
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy  
that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's  
website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen  
anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??

Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread Kerry MacKenzie
Thanks v much Jane--do you happen to know the name of the other  
group? I'm not familiar with it.

Kerry

On 22/04/2009, at 4:44 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:


Hi Kerry
I think that MC and Lance know something about it. If you go to the  
other Felv group, Sheila Smith's
husband is a vet in Austin,Tx and he has been giving it to his Felv  
cats for quite a while. He was available
to talk to vets who were interested in using it. She would be able  
to update you on the results he has had with it.


My vet was turned off by Immulan's website. Apparently the company  
had been sold recently and the original
clinical trials were discontinued and the current owners were not  
forthcoming with information. My vet was
not interested in working with them, and I dropped it because MeMe  
was doing well with Interferon. I wish I had
more information to share, but if you track down Sheila Smith, you  
should get some current information.


Jane
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote:


Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract  
below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for  
any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or  
even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even  
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.

I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin  
other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2  
articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr  
Karen Thomas, respectively.


Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am  
excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the  
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their  
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and  
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making  
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.   
Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less  
convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here.


Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be  
very welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email  
from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available  
on Jim's website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but  
I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??


Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread Kerry MacKenzie

Thanks v much Gary. Have fwded on your info.
Kerry
On 22/04/2009, at 4:55 PM, gary wrote:

I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made  
by a
company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com  The  
product is not
related to IR.  Some people have had very good success with LTCI  
and some
have not.  I don't believe there is any information about its  
effectiveness
when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too  
expensive to use
as a simple immune booster.  Assuming I had the money, I might give  
it a try

for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry  
MacKenzie

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin

Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below
from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info
on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR
itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other
than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets
supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas,  
respectively.



Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am

excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that
but still excited about the possibilities here.

Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy
that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's
website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen
anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??

Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread Hiromi Page

I brought my cat (Puma) to a new vet for his bladder infection in Jan 2009.

I was then told that

 

1. Puma is FeLV+

2. Puma has severe anemia

3. Puma's kidney/Liver are failing (The vet said that based on Puma's blood 
test results)

 

I put Puma on the LTCI treatment, and he finished 6th shots so far.

The vet did another blood test 2weeks after his 6th shots, and the vet told me 
that

 

1. Puma is FeLV- this time (it's ELISA, so we will test him again)

2. Puma doesn't have anemia any more

3. All the values for the blood test came back as normal

 

I don't quite believe that this treatment cures FeLV...my stance is that if it 
works, great! if not, it's OK.

But I'm very happy that it helped Puma's anemia - he is not suffering from it 
any more!

I'm planning on 3 more monthly shots for Puma as maintenance/follow-up (?).

Hope this helps.

 

Hiromi

 
 From: gcru...@centurytel.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:55:01 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
 
 I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a
 company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com The product is not
 related to IR. Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some
 have not. I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness
 when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use
 as a simple immune booster. Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try
 for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.
 
 Gary 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin
 
 Dear all,
 Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
 My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below 
 from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info 
 on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR 
 itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
 I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even 
 unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
 I've been trying to research on the web with no success.
 
 I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other 
 than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets 
 supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively.
 
 Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am 
 excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the 
 immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their 
 diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and 
 intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making 
 him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor 
 thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that 
 but still excited about the possibilities here.
 
 Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very 
 welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy 
 that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's 
 website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen 
 anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??
 
 Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread Kerry MacKenzie



Thanks Hiromiand I'm so glad to hear Puma is doing so well!
Long may Puma have good health.
I'll fwd your email to Lea.
Kerry
On 22/04/2009, at 6:03 PM, Hiromi Page wrote:



I brought my cat (Puma) to a new vet for his bladder infection in  
Jan 2009.


I was then told that



1. Puma is FeLV+

2. Puma has severe anemia

3. Puma's kidney/Liver are failing (The vet said that based on  
Puma's blood test results)




I put Puma on the LTCI treatment, and he finished 6th shots so far.

The vet did another blood test 2weeks after his 6th shots, and the  
vet told me that




1. Puma is FeLV- this time (it's ELISA, so we will test him again)

2. Puma doesn't have anemia any more

3. All the values for the blood test came back as normal



I don't quite believe that this treatment cures FeLV...my stance is  
that if it works, great! if not, it's OK.


But I'm very happy that it helped Puma's anemia - he is not  
suffering from it any more!


I'm planning on 3 more monthly shots for Puma as maintenance/follow- 
up (?).


Hope this helps.



Hiromi







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