Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-31 Thread Sharyl
Alice,
Gentle hugs for Schatzi, Jack, Buster and Oni.  I know how heartbreaking it is 
to lose them.  I've lost 5 positive rescues this year, four from the came 
litter and feel your pain.  

I understand your desire to do anything you can to help Rosie and Murphy.  
Please let us know how they do with the shots.  
I'll light a candle tonight for your babies.
Sharyl

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 1:54 PM
 After hearing about this product-I
 called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it
 for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this
 morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this
 morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out.
 Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th
 brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year
 old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had
 a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the
 first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I
 still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the
 tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that
 the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want
 to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie
 and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of
 their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half
 without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
  them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets
 tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for
 months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left
 out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6
 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know
 it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will
 know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being
 from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like
 all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just
 euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy
 are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees
 right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy.
 They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer.
 Alice, Rosie and Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

2009-08-31 Thread gary
I do hope that Autumn gets better with the LTCI.  If she comes back by any
means from a HCT level of 4%, it will be quite a feat.

Just a couple of comments.  First, as far as I have seen, there is very
little science to back up Imulan's claims.  There have been no real trials,
just short term, limited and sometimes not well controlled or documented,
experiments.

Second, if they are more than happy to talk to you, they have changed their
ways since I called.  When I called (some months ago) they would not discuss
any technical info with me and when my vets office called they wouldn't
discuss it with anyone but the vet himself.

I would love it if they would run a real trial, but I fear they are now
making so much money as things are right now, they will never do it.  They
just ran a very short (couple of months) trial of using LTCI on cats with
the dry form of FIP.  There is a lady on the FIP list that had several of
her allegedly FIP positive cats in the trial.  The criteria for getting a
cat into the trial excluded cats with some of the most common symptoms of
dry FIP and did not even require complete blood work.  They seemed to
concentrate on a feline corona virus titer test, which, even the company who
makes it admits does not diagnose FIP, it is only an indicator.

For Autumn's sake I hope it works.  There have been reports of it helping
and reports of it not doing anything noticeable. 

Gary

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

Hello everyone,

I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan).
When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was
starting with respiratory distress and crying out.  Her hematocrit was 4%.
She was on her way out.  She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4
of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it.  She did.
Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving.  I got the second
injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday.  Everyday she's looking
better.  She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently.  This may
only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for
now.  I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with.  In
the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein
supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements
and intermittently transfer factor.  She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of
the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice -
secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving
and her alertness returning.  I will keep you updated.

I pray that there is hope in this injection.  It seems to me that the
science is pretty sound.  Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a
lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+.  It is reasonable since
their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease.
Most of us have experienced that first hand.

I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you
call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet.  I have
nothing but good experiences with them so far.

We shall see, good luck everyone.

Jenny




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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

2009-08-31 Thread Hotmail Junk
Along with LTCI, we also use Prednisolne. Our cats HCT stays within  
normal limits, from 9% to 42%


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:24 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:


Hello everyone,

I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection 
(Imulan).

When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was
starting with respiratory distress and crying out.  Her hematocrit  
was 4%.
She was on her way out.  She got the transfusion - they called me  
about 1/4
of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it.  She  
did.
Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving.  I got the  
second
injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday.  Everyday she's  
looking
better.  She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently.  This  
may
only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off  
judgement for
now.  I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing  
with.  In

the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein
supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin  
supplements

and intermittently transfer factor.  She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of
the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow  
(jaundice -
secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is  
improving

and her alertness returning.  I will keep you updated.

I pray that there is hope in this injection.  It seems to me that the
science is pretty sound.  Most vets aren't aware of this product and  
have a
lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+.  It is  
reasonable since
their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable  
disease.

Most of us have experienced that first hand.

I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but  
if you
call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet.  I  
have

nothing but good experiences with them so far.

We shall see, good luck everyone.

Jenny


On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and
she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the  
4th
kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early  
this morning
because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5  
kittens in
the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he  
just turned
a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a  
reaction

to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and  
another
cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral  
colony that
the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try  
this
product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- 
These 6
have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been  
a good
month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have  
upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they  
just
crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's  
great.
We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears,  
and spent
over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know  
it will
work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do  
know is
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is  
due to
crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise  
I should
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy  
are racing
up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are  
healthy
(appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they  
deserve to

live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

2009-08-31 Thread Jane Lyons

Jenny it is wonderful to hear that Autumn is recovering. I am
praying that TCLI will get her through this. We'll all be waiting for
her progress reports.
I know that many vets are suspicious of treatments outside of
their parameters. My vet was turned off Imulan by their inability to  
give

her data on clinical trials. If Autumn continues to improve and recover
from deaths door, we will all celebrate with you and there will be hope
for all our cats.

Jane







On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:24 AM, jbero tds.net wrote:


Hello everyone,

I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection 
(Imulan).

When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was
starting with respiratory distress and crying out.  Her hematocrit  
was 4%.
She was on her way out.  She got the transfusion - they called me  
about 1/4
of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it.   
She did.
Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving.  I got the  
second
injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday.  Everyday she's  
looking
better.  She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently.   
This may
only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off  
judgement for
now.  I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing  
with.  In

the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein
supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin  
supplements

and intermittently transfer factor.  She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of
the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow  
(jaundice -
secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is  
improving

and her alertness returning.  I will keep you updated.

I pray that there is hope in this injection.  It seems to me that the
science is pretty sound.  Most vets aren't aware of this product  
and have a
lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+.  It is  
reasonable since
their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable  
disease.

Most of us have experienced that first hand.

I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but  
if you
call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet.   
I have

nothing but good experiences with them so far.

We shall see, good luck everyone.

Jenny


On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and
she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost  
the 4th
kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early  
this morning
because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5  
kittens in
the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he  
just turned
a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a  
reaction

to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and  
another
cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral  
colony that
the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try  
this
product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- 
These 6
have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been  
a good
month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We  
have upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- 
they just
crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great.
We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears,  
and spent
over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we  
know it will
work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do  
know is
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is  
due to
crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE,  
otherwise I should
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy  
are racing
up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are  
healthy
(appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they  
deserve to

live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-30 Thread MaryChristine
promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
agriculture uses.

LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been
promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you
have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open
market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they
REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing
major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in.
and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to
pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical
trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get
real data.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-30 Thread Jane Lyons
This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on  
this list, that people have come on

to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan.
Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet,  
and then just last week I went back
to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each  
time I have been told, emphatically
that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called  
Imulan twice and each time she has been
turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical  
data.


If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I  
would appreciate the information.


Thanks
Jane






On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
.

promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
agriculture uses.

LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been
promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but  
when you
have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on  
the open

market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and  
if they
REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be  
doing
major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could  
believe in.
and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they  
have to

pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical
trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan  
could get

real data.

MC



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(www.purebredcats.org)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-30 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan -

Gloria


On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:

This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on  
this list, that people have come on

to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan.
Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet,  
and then just last week I went back
to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each  
time I have been told, emphatically
that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called  
Imulan twice and each time she has been
turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical  
data.


If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I  
would appreciate the information.


Thanks
Jane






On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
.

promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
agriculture uses.

LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been
promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but  
when you
have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on  
the open

market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and  
if they
REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be  
doing
major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could  
believe in.
and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they  
have to

pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual  
clinical
trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan  
could get

real data.

MC



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)

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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-30 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Alice, I am so sorry to hear about all your losses. That's just too much
loss for just a few months.  Gentle Bridge vibes to Schatzi, Buster, Oni and
Jack, and hugs to you. Best wishes for Rosie and Murphy to beat the odds.

Diane R. 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she
agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty
this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning
because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in
the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned
a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction
to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another
cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that
the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this
product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6
have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good
month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just
crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great.
We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent
over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will
work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to
crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing
up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy
(appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to
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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-30 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound possible  
and likely.  When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal lymphoma, I  
have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for grabs - have  
treated each one differently.  One of them, Mittens, I treated that  
way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine (chemotherapy) for a few  
weeks. He had transfusions too.  He died quietly of anemia, most likely.


Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different  
symptoms and problems.


I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily, and  
kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6.


Thanks for your email,

Gloria



On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento  
and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost  
the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency  
early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying  
out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother  
to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even  
tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized  
(over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in  
Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy,  
the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the  
litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this  
product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- 
These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now  
it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a  
corner. We have upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they  
just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have  
cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat  
people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if  
we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due  
to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with  
anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should  
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy  
are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- 
they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- 
I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-30 Thread Hotmail Junk

Jane,
Contact me at cstet...@hotmail.com, I will share my vets info.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote:

This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on  
this list, that people have come on

to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan.
Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet,  
and then just last week I went back
to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each  
time I have been told, emphatically
that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called  
Imulan twice and each time she has been
turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical  
data.


If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I  
would appreciate the information.


Thanks
Jane






On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
.

promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
agriculture uses.

LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been
promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but  
when you
have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on  
the open

market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and  
if they
REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be  
doing
major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could  
believe in.
and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they  
have to

pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual  
clinical
trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan  
could get

real data.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-30 Thread Jane Lyons
I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the  
Imulan works. We'll be waiting for your

updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life.

Jane
On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it  
because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC  
Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to  
breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi  
is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old  
this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to  
and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed  
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and  
another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the  
feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why  
do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong  
Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of  
their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without  
them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
 them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- 
they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have  
cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat  
people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if  
we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due  
to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with  
anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should  
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy  
are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- 
they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- 
I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-30 Thread Hotmail Junk

We have been using it for a while with good luck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net  
wrote:



Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan -

Gloria


On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:

This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on  
this list, that people have come on

to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan.
Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends  
vet, and then just last week I went back
to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each  
time I have been told, emphatically
that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called  
Imulan twice and each time she has been
turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical  
data.


If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I  
would appreciate the information.


Thanks
Jane






On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
.

promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
agriculture uses.

LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's  
been
promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works,  
but when you
have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on  
the open

market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and  
if they
REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be  
doing
major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could  
believe in.
and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they  
have to

pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual  
clinical
trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan  
could get

real data.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-30 Thread MaryChristine
i, too, hope that LCTI works--we need a miracle.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote:

 I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the Imulan
 works. We'll be waiting for your
 updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life.

 Jane

 On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

  After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and
 she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th
 kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning
 because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in
 the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned
 a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction
 to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed
 out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another
 cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that
 the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this
 product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6
 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good
 month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
  them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just
 crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great.
 We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent
 over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will
 work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is
 that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to
 crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should
 just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing
 up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy
 (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to
 live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-30 Thread Jane Lyons
I've gotten MeMe past the three year hurdle using Interferon alpha,  
DMG and a raw diet. Considering how sick she was

when we got her, every day is a miracle.

Jane



On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound  
possible and likely.  When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal  
lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for  
grabs - have treated each one differently.  One of them, Mittens, I  
treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine  
(chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too.  He died  
quietly of anemia, most likely.


Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different  
symptoms and problems.


I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily,  
and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6.


Thanks for your email,

Gloria



On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it  
because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC  
Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to  
breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi  
is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year  
old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a  
reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to  
die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the  
sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that  
was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was  
positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE  
that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on  
antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month  
and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- 
they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we  
have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't  
cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We  
don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is  
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is  
due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE,  
otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a  
day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up  
the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and  
happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer.  
Alice, Rosie and Murphy

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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

2009-08-30 Thread Laurieskatz
Alice, I am so sorry to hear about Schatzi...
Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she
agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty
this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning
because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in
the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned
a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction
to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another
cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that
the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this
product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6
have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good
month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
 them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just
crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great.
We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent
over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will
work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to
crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing
up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy
(appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to
live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan for Jane

2009-08-30 Thread Laurieskatz
Jane, I will see if my vet will talk to yours. Do you want to send me your
vet's phone number or email address?
Then I will ask my vet if she will contact yours. She may want your vet to
contact her. I will just have to ask her. I can't post her contact
information here. I have it only because she is also a friend. Is your vet a
specialist or GP?
Thanks,
lauriesk...@mchsi.com

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan -

Gloria


On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:

 This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on  
 this list, that people have come on
 to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan.
 Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet,  
 and then just last week I went back
 to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each  
 time I have been told, emphatically
 that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called  
 Imulan twice and each time she has been
 turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical  
 data.

 If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I  
 would appreciate the information.

 Thanks
 Jane






 On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
 .
 promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
 agriculture uses.

 LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been
 promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but  
 when you
 have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on  
 the open
 market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

 that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and  
 if they
 REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be  
 doing
 major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could  
 believe in.
 and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they  
 have to
 pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

 think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual  
 clinical
 trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan  
 could get
 real data.

 MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-29 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA

HI, IS IMULAN USED WHEN THE CATS AREN'T DOING WELL? I HAVE A COULPLE WITH 
FELV ,BUT THEY ARE PERFECTLY HEALTHY. SHOULD I BE GIVING THEM SOMETHING 
NOW.?tHANKS 
--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Embarq Customer dag...@embarqmail.com wrote:


From: Embarq Customer dag...@embarqmail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 2:25 PM




I've been a member here for quite a while, but hardly ever respond with 
comments. However, thanks to the good people on this list  your discussions 
about Imulan, our little Jake, three-legged  an absolutely wonderful cat, is 
now on Imulan injections to try to forestall his non-regenerative anemia. I had 
printed off some of your information to give to our vet, who is ordinarily very 
progressive and well-informed,  he said he'd never heard of Imulan, but was 
very interested. So he called Prolab, who is the manufacturer of it, who was 
happy to send him 13 pages of very persuasive information. He was truly 
impressed with what he read,  of course, ordered it for us. He says that he 
can't wait to retest Jake's blood about a week after his second injection, 
because he is so excited about the implications. Imulan is truly Jake's only 
chance. After only one day, Jake is more alert,  already his appetite has 
picked up some, so we are hopeful. And not only
 for Jake, but for all of our other fur babies. We have a small sanctuary here, 
Haven Hill, where all the 25 resident cats are FeLV+, but fortunately, none of 
the others are symptomatic at this time. The Imulan is $78/injection,  that's 
in TN, in case anyone is interested. Expensive, yes, but perhaps we will only 
need to have one cat on it at a time. 



The one thing that threw our vet, as well as us, is just WHY isn't information 
about Imulan being more widely circulated? It should be in all the vet journals 
 publications! Also, there should be a faster means to get this drug into the 
hands of the vets. We had it over-nighted from MO, and it took two days -- 
which is a lot of time, when our little ones are waiting for it! Their regular 
delivery to us would have taken from Wed. until Mon. -- just WAY too much time! 
At any rate, we are grateful to have it,  are praying for a turn-around for 
Jake. We also have him on Transfer Factor. Again, I want to thank all of you on 
this list for all the valuable information you pass on to all of us. Being a 
member of this group has offered me an amazing education about FeLV that I 
probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise. So, thank you. And God bless all of 
you  your little ones. I will keep you posted as to Jake's progress. 



Diane 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-29 Thread MaryChristine
to answer your questions, because there's no real proof that lcti does
anything.

most vets find what is given out by imulan to be incredibly UNCONVINCING,
because it is not scientifically defensible. maybe at some point it will be,
but it's not at this point.

it's not a drug, it's a treatment aid, that will never have FDA approval,
and only has conditional approval (meaning it SHOWS PROMISE OF BEING
EFFECTIVE) from the department of agriculture.

if the company truly cared about the cats, and really thought that it was
the miracle treatment they want to claim it is, they would be doing RIGOROUS
clinical trials--not the 4-week-long ones that they are offering to vets and
sanctuaries, and they would NOT be charging such a high price for an
unproven product. if LCTI is truly the answer, they'd want to do the proving
first, then it could be offered at a reasonable price to everyone with a
positive cat.

they just approved a puff piece video that calls FIV, Feline AIDS, which
is absolutely indefensible, and will just contribute to more perfectly
healthy cats dying from human ignorance, and their only reference to FeLV on
their site is wikipedia.

it has been in all the journals and publications, and because there's NO
peer-reviewed literature (and not even a single, statistically significant
piece of research,) the majority of practitioners take one look at the,
proof, and walk away.

please do not refer to this product as a drug, because it is not. it's not
even a treatment, by the manufacturer's own admission. use it if you like,
and can afford it, but i cannot figure out why people are not asking more
questions.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

2009-08-29 Thread Laurieskatz
I sent Imulan info to our vet. She worked wonders with our FeLV+ cat. This
was her response:

Hi Laurie - thanks for the email.  I have used this product in one cat so
far.  It didn't work for her, but we got her way too late, so it's not a
good one to base any opinions on. From the research I have seen on it, I
think it looks very promising.

Laurie




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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread jbero tds.net
Amy,

The shot cost me $60.  It is somewhat expensive and still pretty new to the
field.  I think if you can get them started early on before the bone marrow
suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling the virus.  I
don't know all the details.  I am planning on calling them today to ask a
few more questions.  I will keep you updated.  Good luck with your decision.

Jenny


On 8/24/09, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Jenny,

 Do you mind me asking the price of a shot?  I'm thinking of trying this for
 my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means
 $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that.  I
 have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to
 start it.

 Thanks
 Amy

 --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

  From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
  Hello everyone,
 
  I really hope this email works.  I have been a part of
  this community for
  awhile but don't often respond.  I did, however, want
  to share this with
  you.
 
  I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow
  suppression
  associated from felv+.  It is a common cause of death
  for these guys and I
  have heard over and again in this forum.
 
  I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1
  1/2 years old.
  She was doing well until recently when she started to
  become lethargic,
  stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of
  11%.  This is really,
  really, really low.  It is a non-regenerative anemia,
  with signs of
  lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death sentence for
  these guys.  A blood
  transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
 
  So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had the
  immunomodulator (from
  Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday.
  Her energy is gradually
  improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are
  signs of
  improvement.
 
  I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to
  tell you that this
  is currently the best option out there for treating this
  disease.  I found
  some of the information on it.  There is rapid and
  profound improvement of
  anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some
  cases, return to
  normal with negative testing for the virus.
 
  I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have
  to say this may
  prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are
  still pending.
 
  So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow
  suppression
  (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia -
  low platelets,
  neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia -
  low lymphocyte
  count) and may or may not have the associated
  infections;  I highly
  recommend giving this a try.
 
  It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and
  than monthly with
  improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical
  symptoms.  It requires a
  vet order to get it.
 
  It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of
  blood transfusions,
  antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
 
  I will let you know how she does.
 
  Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and
  selfless hearts.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread Catherine Caughie
Jenny,

I'm very much interested in this procedure also as I have a one year old 
Siamese mix female diagnosed with the same disease 2 1/2 weeks ago.  Please 
include me in your postings and findings.  Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

Amy,

The shot cost me $60.  It is somewhat expensive and still pretty new to the
field.  I think if you can get them started early on before the bone marrow
suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling the virus.  I
don't know all the details.  I am planning on calling them today to ask a
few more questions.  I will keep you updated.  Good luck with your decision.

Jenny


On 8/24/09, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Jenny,

 Do you mind me asking the price of a shot?  I'm thinking of trying this for
 my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means
 $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that.  I
 have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to
 start it.

 Thanks
 Amy

 --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

  From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
  Hello everyone,
 
  I really hope this email works.  I have been a part of
  this community for
  awhile but don't often respond.  I did, however, want
  to share this with
  you.
 
  I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow
  suppression
  associated from felv+.  It is a common cause of death
  for these guys and I
  have heard over and again in this forum.
 
  I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1
  1/2 years old.
  She was doing well until recently when she started to
  become lethargic,
  stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of
  11%.  This is really,
  really, really low.  It is a non-regenerative anemia,
  with signs of
  lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death sentence for
  these guys.  A blood
  transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
 
  So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had the
  immunomodulator (from
  Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday.
  Her energy is gradually
  improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are
  signs of
  improvement.
 
  I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to
  tell you that this
  is currently the best option out there for treating this
  disease.  I found
  some of the information on it.  There is rapid and
  profound improvement of
  anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some
  cases, return to
  normal with negative testing for the virus.
 
  I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have
  to say this may
  prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are
  still pending.
 
  So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow
  suppression
  (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia -
  low platelets,
  neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia -
  low lymphocyte
  count) and may or may not have the associated
  infections;  I highly
  recommend giving this a try.
 
  It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and
  than monthly with
  improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical
  symptoms.  It requires a
  vet order to get it.
 
  It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of
  blood transfusions,
  antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
 
  I will let you know how she does.
 
  Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and
  selfless hearts.
 
  Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread Christy Buchin

I have shared this information here before.  However, our cat, Gray Kitty, was 
diagnosed with FeLV on September 6, 2008.  At that time he has a hematocrit of 
9%..very near death.  We have used LTCI since his second blood transfusion, 
which has been many, many, months ago.  We also use Prednisolone twice daily.  
As of today, he is testing negative for FeLV.  He has  the non-regenerative 
anemia, and so far so good, his HCT has stayed within normal limits.  We have 
now just gone down to once monthly on the LTCI and see how he does.  We also 
consult with a specialist long distance, that has done his research in bone 
marrow transfusions in cats.  Our cat will be used in his studies as well as a 
case study with our own Vet.  We hope we can have continued success.  We also 
know reality and that he will not live for many, many years.  However, we have 
appreciated the time that we have had with him and hope for the best.
 
 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:19:58 -0500
 From: jb...@tds.net
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I really hope this email works. I have been a part of this community for
 awhile but don't often respond. I did, however, want to share this with
 you.
 
 I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow suppression
 associated from felv+. It is a common cause of death for these guys and I
 have heard over and again in this forum.
 
 I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 1/2 years old.
 She was doing well until recently when she started to become lethargic,
 stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of 11%. This is really,
 really, really low. It is a non-regenerative anemia, with signs of
 lymphoma. This is pretty much a death sentence for these guys. A blood
 transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
 
 So here's the deal. I found a vet that had the immunomodulator (from
 Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. Her energy is gradually
 improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are signs of
 improvement.
 
 I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this
 is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found
 some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of
 anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to
 normal with negative testing for the virus.
 
 I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may
 prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending.
 
 So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression
 (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets,
 neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte
 count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly
 recommend giving this a try.
 
 It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and than monthly with
 improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical symptoms. It requires a
 vet order to get it.
 
 It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of blood transfusions,
 antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
 
 I will let you know how she does.
 
 Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and selfless hearts.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about LCTI when
there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary research was
done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are independent
findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is fully
approved.

incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA before
treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with.

imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information.

I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that
this
is currently the best option out there for treating this disease.  I found
some of the information on it.  There is rapid and profound improvement of
anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to
normal with negative testing for the virus.

I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may
prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are still pending.

So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression
(including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets,
neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte
count) and may or may not have the associated infections;  I highly
recommend giving this a try.:

this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would actually
write on their own.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread jbero tds.net
Mary Christine,

I appreciate your skepticism.  I am a pathology resident in human medicine
and have no affiliation or connection with imulan.  I am simply a cat lover
who has lost two felv+ cats to this disease.  It is devastating.  I have
seen them be happy, energetic, wonderful, loving cats and then watched them
fade into thin, weak shells of their former selves.  And then I have had to
make the heart wrenching decision to put them down.

I am entirely frustrated with the current mentality surrounding Felv+ - the
general idea that there are so many cats out there that we should just let
these die.  I have never been one who has been able to sit around and feel
helpless when the ones I care about fade into death.  I am not by any means
saying ltci is the cure all answer to this disease.  I am only saying that
as of yet it is the most promising treatment out there.  And if there is a
chance I can help this little girl (and in the process countless others) I
will do whatever is in my power to do it.

I honestly have no idea if this will work or not and honestly last night I
really doubted it.  But she's still fighting and so I'll continue to pray
and to fight with her.  If this doesn't work, I will let all of you know.  I
just wanted to give you the information I had.

Here's a thought, prior to the discovery of Penicillin countless people were
dying from bacterial infections.  Now it is so common place and so
effective, you would be remiss to not use it.  Every new treatment has
skeptics and rightly so, but maybe this could actually help.  If so, why not
try it?

And by the way, I did write this on my own, no prompting from anyone.  I
just saw a glimmer of hope and wanted to share.

Thanks,

Jenny








On 8/25/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about LCTI when
 there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary research
 was
 done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are independent
 findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is fully
 approved.

 incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA before
 treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with.

 imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information.

 I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that
 this
 is currently the best option out there for treating this disease.  I found
 some of the information on it.  There is rapid and profound improvement of
 anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to
 normal with negative testing for the virus.

 I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may
 prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are still pending.

 So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression
 (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets,
 neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte
 count) and may or may not have the associated infections;  I highly
 recommend giving this a try.:

 this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would actually
 write on their own.

 MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread Jane Lyons

I appreciate your input Jenny.

I first heard about Imulan when I joined this list, two years ago,  
with a symptomatic Felv
cat. At the time many of the list members were suspicious of the  
company that had recently
purchased Imulan because they had terminated an on going, limited,  
research study.


I was desperate at the time and asked my vet to look into getting  
Imulan for me. She called the
company and was very discouraged by their lack of transparency and  
she discouraged me from
pursuing it. I managed to treat my cat with supplements and  
homeopathy and was able to get her
to a place where her quality of life was good, although I was never  
able to rid her completely of
stomatitis. I started using interferon about 8 months ago and she has  
been able to maintain a fairly
stable (other than flare ups of stomatitis) quality of health. Her  
appetite is good and while she is thin

she has been able to gain and hold a bit of weight.

Like you, I will do anything to help her from 'fading into death' and  
would be very willing to try Imulan

if I can find a vet who knows about it and is willing to help me.

I am really happy to hear that you are giving it a try. I hope it  
helps your kitty and appreciate your

willingness to share your experience with us.

Hoping that your kitty responds to it.

Jane





On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:56 PM, jbero tds.net wrote:


Mary Christine,

I appreciate your skepticism.  I am a pathology resident in human  
medicine
and have no affiliation or connection with imulan.  I am simply a  
cat lover
who has lost two felv+ cats to this disease.  It is devastating.  I  
have
seen them be happy, energetic, wonderful, loving cats and then  
watched them
fade into thin, weak shells of their former selves.  And then I  
have had to

make the heart wrenching decision to put them down.

I am entirely frustrated with the current mentality surrounding Felv 
+ - the
general idea that there are so many cats out there that we should  
just let
these die.  I have never been one who has been able to sit around  
and feel
helpless when the ones I care about fade into death.  I am not by  
any means
saying ltci is the cure all answer to this disease.  I am only  
saying that
as of yet it is the most promising treatment out there.  And if  
there is a
chance I can help this little girl (and in the process countless  
others) I

will do whatever is in my power to do it.

I honestly have no idea if this will work or not and honestly last  
night I
really doubted it.  But she's still fighting and so I'll continue  
to pray
and to fight with her.  If this doesn't work, I will let all of you  
know.  I

just wanted to give you the information I had.

Here's a thought, prior to the discovery of Penicillin countless  
people were

dying from bacterial infections.  Now it is so common place and so
effective, you would be remiss to not use it.  Every new treatment has
skeptics and rightly so, but maybe this could actually help.  If  
so, why not

try it?

And by the way, I did write this on my own, no prompting from  
anyone.  I

just saw a glimmer of hope and wanted to share.

Thanks,

Jenny








On 8/25/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:


personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about  
LCTI when
there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary  
research

was
done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are  
independent
findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is  
fully

approved.

incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA  
before

treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with.

imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information.

I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell  
you that

this
is currently the best option out there for treating this disease.   
I found
some of the information on it.  There is rapid and profound  
improvement of
anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases,  
return to

normal with negative testing for the virus.

I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say  
this may

prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are still pending.

So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression
(including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low  
platelets,
neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low  
lymphocyte

count) and may or may not have the associated infections;  I highly
recommend giving this a try.:

this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would  
actually

write on their own.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
jenny, knowing that you're a human medicine person makes me apologize for,
and revise, my statement regarding your statements sounding like an ad.

would i have been in the first line of beta-testers for penicillin? probably
not. would i have used it when it only had provisional approval, was very
expensive, and the only research available was provided by the one company
had a financial investment in it? maybe, if there were ENOUGH research, over
enough time, and if i didn't know way too many vets who have the same
objections that sally's had.

i would LOVE for there to be a cure for FeLV, or at least a treatment that
has a decent rate of efficacy.

i haven't seen anything that shows me that this is it--and their lack of
good data, resources on the virus etc., and questionable marketing practices
all make me wonder what their bottom line really is.

i expect that it's probably much harder to do pure research now than it was
when mold was being grown on slices of bread, without the involvement of
vast sums of money, but i still require more than a company (that just
recently bought out the folks who actually developed the product) say-so.

(and i'm an old hippie herbalist, so it's not like i have any investment in
pharmaceuticals!)

thanks for explaining your decision-making process: actually, i'm quite
convinced from what i've read, that LCTI won't HURT our cats. i'd be a
LOT happier if they were doing rigorous research through clinical trials,
instead of charging people to be their research subjects

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread Amy
Thanks Jenny, 

I hope your sweet girl pulls through.  Please keep us posted.

Amy

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:01 AM
 Amy,
 
 The shot cost me $60.  It is somewhat expensive and
 still pretty new to the
 field.  I think if you can get them started early on
 before the bone marrow
 suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling
 the virus.  I
 don't know all the details.  I am planning on calling
 them today to ask a
 few more questions.  I will keep you updated. 
 Good luck with your decision.
 
 Jenny
 
 
 On 8/24/09, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  Jenny,
 
  Do you mind me asking the price of a shot?  I'm
 thinking of trying this for
  my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and
 I'm thinking that means
  $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a
 month after that.  I
  have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's
 practical for me to
  start it.
 
  Thanks
  Amy
 
  --- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 wrote:
 
   From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic
 immunomodulator
   To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
   Hello everyone,
  
   I really hope this email works.  I have been
 a part of
   this community for
   awhile but don't often respond.  I did,
 however, want
   to share this with
   you.
  
   I have had two cats die from severe anemia and
 bone marrow
   suppression
   associated from felv+.  It is a common cause
 of death
   for these guys and I
   have heard over and again in this forum.
  
   I currently have another sweet little girl who is
 about 1
   1/2 years old.
   She was doing well until recently when she
 started to
   become lethargic,
   stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit
 of
   11%.  This is really,
   really, really low.  It is a
 non-regenerative anemia,
   with signs of
   lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death
 sentence for
   these guys.  A blood
   transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
  
   So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had
 the
   immunomodulator (from
   Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on
 Friday.
   Her energy is gradually
   improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and
 there are
   signs of
   improvement.
  
   I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I
 have to
   tell you that this
   is currently the best option out there for
 treating this
   disease.  I found
   some of the information on it.  There is
 rapid and
   profound improvement of
   anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and
 in some
   cases, return to
   normal with negative testing for the virus.
  
   I know there isn't a full proof cure out there
 but I have
   to say this may
   prove to be very helpful.  The long terms
 studies are
   still pending.
  
   So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone
 marrow
   suppression
   (including anemia - low red blood cells,
 thrombocytopenia -
   low platelets,
   neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or
 lymphopenia -
   low lymphocyte
   count) and may or may not have the associated
   infections;  I highly
   recommend giving this a try.
  
   It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at
 first and
   than monthly with
   improvement of bone marrow suppression and
 clinical
   symptoms.  It requires a
   vet order to get it.
  
   It is a far better alternative than the repeat
 cycle of
   blood transfusions,
   antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
  
   I will let you know how she does.
  
   Good luck everyone and God bless you for your
 generous and
   selfless hearts.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-24 Thread Laurieskatz
Jenny, thanks for this info. I am sorry to hear about your kitty.
Laurie

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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:20 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

Hello everyone,

I really hope this email works.  I have been a part of this community for
awhile but don't often respond.  I did, however, want to share this with
you.

I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow suppression
associated from felv+.  It is a common cause of death for these guys and I
have heard over and again in this forum.

I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1 1/2 years old.
She was doing well until recently when she started to become lethargic,
stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of 11%.  This is really,
really, really low.  It is a non-regenerative anemia, with signs of
lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death sentence for these guys.  A blood
transfusion would only prolong the sufferng

So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had the immunomodulator (from
Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday.  Her energy is gradually
improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are signs of
improvement.

I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this
is currently the best option out there for treating this disease.  I found
some of the information on it.  There is rapid and profound improvement of
anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to
normal with negative testing for the virus.

I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may
prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are still pending.

So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression
(including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets,
neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte
count) and may or may not have the associated infections;  I highly
recommend giving this a try.

It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and than monthly with
improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical symptoms.  It requires a
vet order to get it.

It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of blood transfusions,
antibiotic regimens and prednisone.

I will let you know how she does.

Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and selfless hearts.

Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-24 Thread Amy
Jenny,

Do you mind me asking the price of a shot?  I'm thinking of trying this for my 
cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means $360 
the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that.  I have 
several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to start it.

Thanks
Amy

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
 Hello everyone,
 
 I really hope this email works.  I have been a part of
 this community for
 awhile but don't often respond.  I did, however, want
 to share this with
 you.
 
 I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow
 suppression
 associated from felv+.  It is a common cause of death
 for these guys and I
 have heard over and again in this forum.
 
 I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1
 1/2 years old.
 She was doing well until recently when she started to
 become lethargic,
 stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of
 11%.  This is really,
 really, really low.  It is a non-regenerative anemia,
 with signs of
 lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death sentence for
 these guys.  A blood
 transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
 
 So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had the
 immunomodulator (from
 Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. 
 Her energy is gradually
 improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are
 signs of
 improvement.
 
 I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to
 tell you that this
 is currently the best option out there for treating this
 disease.  I found
 some of the information on it.  There is rapid and
 profound improvement of
 anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some
 cases, return to
 normal with negative testing for the virus.
 
 I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have
 to say this may
 prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are
 still pending.
 
 So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow
 suppression
 (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia -
 low platelets,
 neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia -
 low lymphocyte
 count) and may or may not have the associated
 infections;  I highly
 recommend giving this a try.
 
 It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and
 than monthly with
 improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical
 symptoms.  It requires a
 vet order to get it.
 
 It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of
 blood transfusions,
 antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
 
 I will let you know how she does.
 
 Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and
 selfless hearts.
 
 Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan questions

2009-04-23 Thread griscome
I found a really informative paper on LTCI, written by a vet that has been 
using it.? I'll have to look it up again to give you the url
The treatment is pretty expensive, as many said - the 3 dose pack is about 
$200.? Recommended dosage is once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for 2 
months, then every 4-6 weeks I believe.
It's available from Webster and Butler supply houses that I know of.? 
Would like to know if anyone tries it - it was too late coming for my Spats.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan questions

2009-04-23 Thread MaryChristine
would like to see the paper, as so far, all i've seen if stuff written by
folks who work for the company itself.

MC

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, grisc...@aim.com wrote:

 I found a really informative paper on LTCI, written by a vet that has been
 using it.? I'll have to look it up again to give you the url
 The treatment is pretty expensive, as many said - the 3 dose pack is about
 $200.? Recommended dosage is once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for
 2 months, then every 4-6 weeks I believe.
 It's available from Webster and Butler supply houses that I know of.?
 Would like to know if anyone tries it - it was too late coming for my
 Spats.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan message-mailto:de4e9a820901120431l12499b62i55b69d750ff92...@mail.gmail.com

2009-01-17 Thread catatonya
have you ruled out hemobart? maybe you should have the kitten on doxy.  but I 
know doxy isn't recommended for kittens under a certain age
  tonya

nancy denison nancydeni...@fpunet.com wrote:
  Hi Lisa,
I'm currently using Imulan on my FeLV kitten. She was very very sick before it 
came in. She was anemic and her blood caounts were low. Since the Imulan she is 
back to her old goofy self. She's not anemic but her blood counts still 
continue to fall. That bothers me. The vets aren't quite sure why. She is 
eating well and playful and no sign of illness, no temperature, but I'm giving 
her an antibiotic to try and help fight whatever is destroying here blood 
counts. I would recommend the Imulan and I will continue the treatments as long 
as she is benefitting. So far the manufacturer doesn't have any info with 
regard to old or very young cats but they say that 2 of the test cats have been 
tested negative via bone marrow tests after this treatment. I'm hoping my 
little girl cat, Taz, will start producing the right blood cells she needs. Her 
is are a couple of websites that may help.
http://www.imulan.com/felv-fiv-treatment.html

http://fabulousfelinesandfidos.yuku.com/reply/39095/t/-Treatment--Feline-Leukemia--Feline-Aids-FeLV--FIV-.html

hope this helps,

Nancy and Taz
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