Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread jbero tds.net
Hey Alice,

Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week and I
found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen.  I knew it was a large
lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago.  I miss her
deeply.  She was so young and vital so full of life and love.

I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her life if I
had started it earlier.  I wish someone had told me about it before she was
knocking at death's door.  It is likely she had the lymphoma at the time I
started treating her.  Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am devastated
I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had at the
time.

I am so glad yours are doing well.  It sounds like you have started early
enough and they have a chance.  I am so grateful for that.  It seems that
this is an illness that needs to be treated when there are few or no signs
or symptoms only a positive test.  When we wait, it is too late.  It is a
shame most vets tell you to do nothing or put them down.

Have their CBCs improved?  I believe their energy was improving, right?  If
it were me, I would continue the treatment and have them retested for the
virus in a few months.  Maybe they'll turn negative.

Thanks for asking, Alice and may God bless you and your little ones.

Jenny

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Alice Flowers
aliceflow...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Just wondering how she's doing-We are into our 2nd month with the
 treatments and all is great with our 2. Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Laurieskatz
Oh Jenny, I am so sorry. I was just telling a mutual friend about Autumn
today. Autumn was so lucky to know love in her short life. We get so much
more than we giveGod bless you and Autumn.
Laurie

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

Hey Alice,

Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week and I
found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen.  I knew it was a large
lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago.  I miss her
deeply.  She was so young and vital so full of life and love.

I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her life if I
had started it earlier.  I wish someone had told me about it before she was
knocking at death's door.  It is likely she had the lymphoma at the time I
started treating her.  Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am devastated
I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had at the
time.

I am so glad yours are doing well.  It sounds like you have started early
enough and they have a chance.  I am so grateful for that.  It seems that
this is an illness that needs to be treated when there are few or no signs
or symptoms only a positive test.  When we wait, it is too late.  It is a
shame most vets tell you to do nothing or put them down.

Have their CBCs improved?  I believe their energy was improving, right?  If
it were me, I would continue the treatment and have them retested for the
virus in a few months.  Maybe they'll turn negative.

Thanks for asking, Alice and may God bless you and your little ones.

Jenny

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Alice Flowers
aliceflow...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Just wondering how she's doing-We are into our 2nd month with the
 treatments and all is great with our 2. Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Jenny, I am so sorry Autumn had to leave you. I'm sure she is at the Bridge
telling everykitty how much her mommy loved her. Hugs to you.

Diane R. 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

Hey Alice,

Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week and I
found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen.  I knew it was a large
lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago.  I miss her
deeply.  She was so young and vital so full of life and love.

I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her life if I
had started it earlier.  I wish someone had told me about it before she was
knocking at death's door.  It is likely she had the lymphoma at the time I
started treating her.  Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am devastated
I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had at the
time.

I am so glad yours are doing well.  It sounds like you have started early
enough and they have a chance.  I am so grateful for that.  It seems that
this is an illness that needs to be treated when there are few or no signs
or symptoms only a positive test.  When we wait, it is too late.  It is a
shame most vets tell you to do nothing or put them down.

Have their CBCs improved?  I believe their energy was improving, right?  If
it were me, I would continue the treatment and have them retested for the
virus in a few months.  Maybe they'll turn negative.

Thanks for asking, Alice and may God bless you and your little ones.

Jenny

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Alice Flowers
aliceflow...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Just wondering how she's doing-We are into our 2nd month with the 
 treatments and all is great with our 2. Alice 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Kim

Jenny and other forum members, too,

I have a young cat with CH, lymphoid hypoplasia and now severe asthma.  She
has weakened greatly in her hind legs and back.  My vet has not been able to
get her asthma under control.  She has spells or fits and will get very
very violent with us.  She does this while wheezing but she also has those
fits when I put her in her potty or when I put her in her cat carrier to
take her to the vet.  She has had several very bad fits where she will
bite me, anything she can get a hold of. She has bitten me so badly, down to
the bone, on two of my fingers.  They are now swollen and very painful.  She
has done this to my husband too.  These fits she keeps having is NOT a
behavior my precious cat is known for. She is the sweetest most loving cat
ever!  

My vet mentioned that she might have fluid on her brain.  I don't understand
this but I hate seeing my baby like this.  Most of the time I am unable to
help her.  She fits worse if I put her in her carrier to take her to the
vet.  If I carry her she bites me badly.  I am also unable, in most cases to
get a prednisone pill down her when she is starts out having a fit.  All I
am able to do is cry and stay beside her until she gets over it.  

Even though she is only one year and four months old I am thinking about
allowing her to pass.  My question to you is; is it easier for the cat to be
put to sleep at the vet or to die at home?  I really need to know what to
expect.  I love her so much and if I see her having a painful death I will
go even more crazy!  Currently she eats very little and I have been syringe
feeding her.  I know that if she doesn't eat she will get liver disease.  I
have a cat with liver disease before and it is a very hard thing to watch
when they cannot stand up and when they are feeling so sick. I was able to
save my cat who suffered from the liver disease but I don't know if I can
knowing let my cat get the disease and pass away in that manner.  

Jenny, I am so sorry for your loss.  It is one of the hardest things we, as
pet owners, go through in life.  Did your cat pass away peacefully once you
stopped feeding her?  

Thanks for your answers. I know this is such a hard time for you and so
sorry for asking you these questions at this time.

I had written to this group about a month or so ago about her not being able
to get in the litter box any more and fighting me when I put her in it.  I
had her urine checked and she was fine.  I truly do think something has gone
wrong in her mind but this is something totally new that I am going through
and I don't know what to expect.

Kim




...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hey Alice,

Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week and I
found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen.  I knew it was a large
lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago.  I miss her
deeply.  She was so young and vital so full of life and love.

I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her life if I
had started it earlier.  I wish someone had told me about it before she was
knocking at death's door.  It is likely she had the lymphoma at the time I
started treating her.  Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am devastated
I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had at the
time.

I am so glad yours are doing well.  It sounds like you have started early
enough and they have a chance.  I am so grateful for that.  It seems that
this is an illness that needs to be treated when there are few or no signs
or symptoms only a positive test.  When we wait, it is too late.  It is a
shame most vets tell you to do nothing or put them down.

Have their CBCs improved?  I believe their energy was improving, right?  If
it were me, I would continue the treatment and have them retested for the
virus in a few months.  Maybe they'll turn negative.

Thanks for asking, Alice and may God bless you and your little ones.

Jenny

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Alice Flowers
aliceflow...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Just wondering how she's doing-We are into our 2nd month with the 
 treatments and all is great with our 2. Alice 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Laurieskatz
I am sorry to hear this. My asthmatic cat bites me. I think he is terrified
when he can't breathe. He is also blind which could be a factor. He is not
FeLV+. We had a FeLV+ who was having tremors. The vet thought it might have
been a medication we were giving her. 

Re the bite, I use Calendula gel and also soak the bite area in Epsom salts.
It is important to prevent infection. Calendula was recommended by a vet and
works amazingly well. If it gets infected you may need antibiotics.

You can give prednisone transdermally (inside the outer area of the ear..not
into the ear canal itself). It does not need to be given by mouth.

None of this answers your question but these are thoughts I had.
Also, will your vet come to the house if you decide on euthanasia? I think
that is easier for everyone.
Is your kitty suffering? Above all I think we owe them that...to not suffer.

Bless you. This is a difficult decision.

Laurie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Jenny and other forum members, too,

I have a young cat with CH, lymphoid hypoplasia and now severe asthma.  She
has weakened greatly in her hind legs and back.  My vet has not been able to
get her asthma under control.  She has spells or fits and will get very
very violent with us.  She does this while wheezing but she also has those
fits when I put her in her potty or when I put her in her cat carrier to
take her to the vet.  She has had several very bad fits where she will
bite me, anything she can get a hold of. She has bitten me so badly, down to
the bone, on two of my fingers.  They are now swollen and very painful.  She
has done this to my husband too.  These fits she keeps having is NOT a
behavior my precious cat is known for. She is the sweetest most loving cat
ever!  

My vet mentioned that she might have fluid on her brain.  I don't understand
this but I hate seeing my baby like this.  Most of the time I am unable to
help her.  She fits worse if I put her in her carrier to take her to the
vet.  If I carry her she bites me badly.  I am also unable, in most cases to
get a prednisone pill down her when she is starts out having a fit.  All I
am able to do is cry and stay beside her until she gets over it.  

Even though she is only one year and four months old I am thinking about
allowing her to pass.  My question to you is; is it easier for the cat to be
put to sleep at the vet or to die at home?  I really need to know what to
expect.  I love her so much and if I see her having a painful death I will
go even more crazy!  Currently she eats very little and I have been syringe
feeding her.  I know that if she doesn't eat she will get liver disease.  I
have a cat with liver disease before and it is a very hard thing to watch
when they cannot stand up and when they are feeling so sick. I was able to
save my cat who suffered from the liver disease but I don't know if I can
knowing let my cat get the disease and pass away in that manner.  

Jenny, I am so sorry for your loss.  It is one of the hardest things we, as
pet owners, go through in life.  Did your cat pass away peacefully once you
stopped feeding her?  

Thanks for your answers. I know this is such a hard time for you and so
sorry for asking you these questions at this time.

I had written to this group about a month or so ago about her not being able
to get in the litter box any more and fighting me when I put her in it.  I
had her urine checked and she was fine.  I truly do think something has gone
wrong in her mind but this is something totally new that I am going through
and I don't know what to expect.

Kim




...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hey Alice,

Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week and I
found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen.  I knew it was a large
lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago.  I miss her
deeply.  She was so young and vital so full of life and love.

I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her life if I
had started it earlier.  I wish someone had told me about it before she was
knocking at death's door.  It is likely she had the lymphoma at the time I
started treating her.  Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am devastated
I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had at the
time.

I am so glad yours are doing well.  It sounds like you have started early

Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Cougar Clan
This is concerning your safety and not the well-being of your  
wonderful cat who is having an awful time:


Be very careful about those bites.  Perhaps you can get some heavy  
leather gloves?  I had a feral that I was taking to be spayed bite my  
little finger.  She broke it and I had to have two surgeries, one to  
fix the finger and another to fix the infection that developed despite  
a lot of high powered antibiotics.  The cat was defending herself and  
not at fault at all.  However, had this been reported as is required  
in a lot of places, I know she would have been killed.  Put this in  
the back of your mind when dealing with your little one.


I wish I had some answers for her problems and hope you find some  
here.  Blessings to you for loving her and trying to help her.  She  
really can't help her behavior.

On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Kim wrote:



Jenny and other forum members, too,

I have a young cat with CH, lymphoid hypoplasia and now severe  
asthma.  She
has weakened greatly in her hind legs and back.  My vet has not been  
able to
get her asthma under control.  She has spells or fits and will  
get very
very violent with us.  She does this while wheezing but she also has  
those
fits when I put her in her potty or when I put her in her cat  
carrier to
take her to the vet.  She has had several very bad fits where she  
will
bite me, anything she can get a hold of. She has bitten me so badly,  
down to
the bone, on two of my fingers.  They are now swollen and very  
painful.  She
has done this to my husband too.  These fits she keeps having is  
NOT a
behavior my precious cat is known for. She is the sweetest most  
loving cat

ever!

My vet mentioned that she might have fluid on her brain.  I don't  
understand
this but I hate seeing my baby like this.  Most of the time I am  
unable to
help her.  She fits worse if I put her in her carrier to take her  
to the
vet.  If I carry her she bites me badly.  I am also unable, in most  
cases to
get a prednisone pill down her when she is starts out having a  
fit.  All I

am able to do is cry and stay beside her until she gets over it.

Even though she is only one year and four months old I am thinking  
about
allowing her to pass.  My question to you is; is it easier for the  
cat to be
put to sleep at the vet or to die at home?  I really need to know  
what to
expect.  I love her so much and if I see her having a painful death  
I will
go even more crazy!  Currently she eats very little and I have been  
syringe
feeding her.  I know that if she doesn't eat she will get liver  
disease.  I
have a cat with liver disease before and it is a very hard thing to  
watch
when they cannot stand up and when they are feeling so sick. I was  
able to
save my cat who suffered from the liver disease but I don't know if  
I can

knowing let my cat get the disease and pass away in that manner.

Jenny, I am so sorry for your loss.  It is one of the hardest things  
we, as
pet owners, go through in life.  Did your cat pass away peacefully  
once you

stopped feeding her?

Thanks for your answers. I know this is such a hard time for you and  
so

sorry for asking you these questions at this time.

I had written to this group about a month or so ago about her not  
being able
to get in the litter box any more and fighting me when I put her in  
it.  I
had her urine checked and she was fine.  I truly do think something  
has gone
wrong in her mind but this is something totally new that I am going  
through

and I don't know what to expect.

Kim




...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the  
world will

change for that one pet...

One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero  
tds.net

Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hey Alice,

Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again last week  
and I

found a large (3-4 inch) mass in her abdomen.  I knew it was a large
lymphoma so I let her stop eating and she died two days ago.  I miss  
her

deeply.  She was so young and vital so full of life and love.

I sincerely believe the Imulan and ambrotose could have save her  
life if I
had started it earlier.  I wish someone had told me about it before  
she was
knocking at death's door.  It is likely she had the lymphoma at the  
time I
started treating her.  Her bone marrow was resonding and so I am  
devastated
I didn't start earlier, but I did the best with the knowledge I had  
at the

time.

I am so glad yours are doing well.  It sounds like you have started  
early
enough and they have a chance.  I am so grateful for that.  It seems  
that
this is an illness that needs to be treated when there are few or no  
signs
or symptoms only a positive test.  When we wait, it is too late

Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Kim

Hi Laurie,

I Hate myself for having thoughts of letting her go at such a young age.
She is a very beautiful cat whom I have raised since she was one day old.
She was brought to me on Mother's Day in 2008.  Her CH was made worse when I
had her vaccinated and again when I had her spayed.  It seems like I have
done the wrong thing to her constantly because of lack of knowledge. 

I don't think my vet will come here to euthanize her. She will start having
a fit once I put her in a carrier to take her there.  If I carry her she
will fit just from being in the car.  I am so upset and just don't know
what to do.  

It is comforting to hear that your cat bites you too when he has asthma
attacks.  At least I know this is normal now. I am so sorry you have to go
through this though.  AS you know, an attack is so hard on them. I know my
cat only bites us because she cannot breathe...the same as yours. I've had
cats for over 20 years now and she is my first one to have asthma as well as
so many other health issues. 

She stopped going to her litter box after I had all the carpeting removed
from our home.  This wasn't the smartest thing for me to do but at the time
I didn't put two and two together. She needed the carpet to get around with
her CH.  I Have since went back and placed area rugs around the house over
the hard wood floors to aid her walking abilities.  This has helped about
80%.  She still will not go to her potty and when I take her there and place
her in the potty she will fight with me and start having a fit.  It is
like my placing her in the litter box makes her have an asthma attack. 

I feel like everything I have done has worked against her.  This is the last
thing I ever wanted to do. I only take her to the potty about two times a
day now and when she starts fighting with me I take her out immediately
before she gets too worked up and then she rushes to the hallway and potties
on the runner rug I placed there.  

Taking her to the vet is so traumatic on her too and makes her so much
worse.  I am to the point I just don't know what to do.  With all of her
fits she has I think she would be better off passing.  Actually, the last
time I took her to the vet I was told that they weren't to sure she wouldn't
die she was fitting so badly.  After she is allowed to go home with me,
she is great but then she will fit before I can even get her home and it
seems like it is a never ending story with her.  

She has been dealing with this for about a month now and I just hate putting
her through this!  

I don't even know what's best for her right now. 

Thanks, for answering my email.  You have helped me greatly just letting me
know you and your cat go through this too.

Kim  


...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


I am sorry to hear this. My asthmatic cat bites me. I think he is terrified
when he can't breathe. He is also blind which could be a factor. He is not
FeLV+. We had a FeLV+ who was having tremors. The vet thought it might 
FeLV+have
been a medication we were giving her. 

Re the bite, I use Calendula gel and also soak the bite area in Epsom salts.
It is important to prevent infection. Calendula was recommended by a vet and
works amazingly well. If it gets infected you may need antibiotics.

You can give prednisone transdermally (inside the outer area of the ear..not
into the ear canal itself). It does not need to be given by mouth.

None of this answers your question but these are thoughts I had. Also, will
your vet come to the house if you decide on euthanasia? I think that is
easier for everyone. Is your kitty suffering? Above all I think we owe them
that...to not suffer.

Bless you. This is a difficult decision.

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Jenny and other forum members, too,

I have a young cat with CH, lymphoid hypoplasia and now severe asthma.  She
has weakened greatly in her hind legs and back.  My vet has not been able to
get her asthma under control.  She has spells or fits and will get very
very violent with us.  She does this while wheezing but she also has those
fits when I put her in her potty or when I put her in her cat carrier to
take her to the vet.  She has had several very bad fits where she will
bite me, anything she can get a hold of. She has bitten me so badly, down to
the bone, on two of my fingers.  They are now swollen and very painful.  She
has done

Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Kim
Cougar Clan,

Thanks for your email to me.  

I know my cat is just defending herself too; like the feral one that bite
youShe is only doing it because she cannot breathe and doesn't know what
to do.  I really haven't even thought about my safety.  I don't blame her at
all.  I love her so much but I hate seeing her this way. It breaks my heart.
I Just sit here petting her and crying.  I don't know what to do for her. 

Kim 

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


This is concerning your safety and not the well-being of your  
wonderful cat who is having an awful time:

Be very careful about those bites.  Perhaps you can get some heavy  
leather gloves?  I had a feral that I was taking to be spayed bite my  
little finger.  She broke it and I had to have two surgeries, one to  
fix the finger and another to fix the infection that developed despite  
a lot of high powered antibiotics.  The cat was defending herself and  
not at fault at all.  However, had this been reported as is required  
in a lot of places, I know she would have been killed.  Put this in  
the back of your mind when dealing with your little one.

I wish I had some answers for her problems and hope you find some  
here.  Blessings to you for loving her and trying to help her.  She  
really can't help her behavior.
On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Kim wrote:


 Jenny and other forum members, too,

 I have a young cat with CH, lymphoid hypoplasia and now severe
 asthma.  She
 has weakened greatly in her hind legs and back.  My vet has not been  
 able to
 get her asthma under control.  She has spells or fits and will  
 get very
 very violent with us.  She does this while wheezing but she also has  
 those
 fits when I put her in her potty or when I put her in her cat  
 carrier to
 take her to the vet.  She has had several very bad fits where she  
 will
 bite me, anything she can get a hold of. She has bitten me so badly,  
 down to
 the bone, on two of my fingers.  They are now swollen and very  
 painful.  She
 has done this to my husband too.  These fits she keeps having is  
 NOT a
 behavior my precious cat is known for. She is the sweetest most  
 loving cat
 ever!

 My vet mentioned that she might have fluid on her brain.  I don't
 understand
 this but I hate seeing my baby like this.  Most of the time I am  
 unable to
 help her.  She fits worse if I put her in her carrier to take her  
 to the
 vet.  If I carry her she bites me badly.  I am also unable, in most  
 cases to
 get a prednisone pill down her when she is starts out having a  
 fit.  All I
 am able to do is cry and stay beside her until she gets over it.

 Even though she is only one year and four months old I am thinking
 about
 allowing her to pass.  My question to you is; is it easier for the  
 cat to be
 put to sleep at the vet or to die at home?  I really need to know  
 what to
 expect.  I love her so much and if I see her having a painful death  
 I will
 go even more crazy!  Currently she eats very little and I have been  
 syringe
 feeding her.  I know that if she doesn't eat she will get liver  
 disease.  I
 have a cat with liver disease before and it is a very hard thing to  
 watch
 when they cannot stand up and when they are feeling so sick. I was  
 able to
 save my cat who suffered from the liver disease but I don't know if  
 I can
 knowing let my cat get the disease and pass away in that manner.

 Jenny, I am so sorry for your loss.  It is one of the hardest things
 we, as
 pet owners, go through in life.  Did your cat pass away peacefully  
 once you
 stopped feeding her?

 Thanks for your answers. I know this is such a hard time for you and
 so
 sorry for asking you these questions at this time.

 I had written to this group about a month or so ago about her not
 being able
 to get in the litter box any more and fighting me when I put her in  
 it.  I
 had her urine checked and she was fine.  I truly do think something  
 has gone
 wrong in her mind but this is something totally new that I am going  
 through
 and I don't know what to expect.

 Kim




 ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the
 world will
 change for that one pet...

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 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero
 tds.net
 Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:32 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


 Hey Alice,

 Thanks for asking.  Actually, Autumn stopped eating again

Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Laurieskatz
Hi Kim
Wonder if you put a rug or towel in the litter box if she would use it
there.
Wonder if the sides of the box scare her. I try to think like a cat. She
is telling you she likes something soft and flat to urinate. I feel your
fear. Sometimes when I don't know what to do, I put it out there when I go
to bed and sometimes I know what to do in the morning. 

Have you considered acupuncture? A friend had this for her cat whose rear
legs were no longer working and she had a complete return of function. That
kitty did not have FELV or the other issues you are dealing with. (What is
CH?) The fits seem so odd...I am recalling that my Teddy (also asthmatic)
started having what looked like seizures. He would stop with one paw in the
air, like he was frozen. By the time I rushed him to the vet, it had passed.
He would thrash around in the bed at night. After he died we discovered he
had metastasized lung cancer. The vet didn't know how he could even breathe
because his lungs were so full of cancer. The specialists did not detect his
cancer despite doing biopsies (including a needle biopsy of his lungs),
blood work, etc. I was frustrated to learn the vet did not include Teddy's
brain in the necropsy as I truly felt he must have had some cancer in his
brain because of the apparent seizures.

L

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hi Laurie,

I Hate myself for having thoughts of letting her go at such a young age.
She is a very beautiful cat whom I have raised since she was one day old.
She was brought to me on Mother's Day in 2008.  Her CH was made worse when I
had her vaccinated and again when I had her spayed.  It seems like I have
done the wrong thing to her constantly because of lack of knowledge. 

I don't think my vet will come here to euthanize her. She will start having
a fit once I put her in a carrier to take her there.  If I carry her she
will fit just from being in the car.  I am so upset and just don't know
what to do.  

It is comforting to hear that your cat bites you too when he has asthma
attacks.  At least I know this is normal now. I am so sorry you have to go
through this though.  AS you know, an attack is so hard on them. I know my
cat only bites us because she cannot breathe...the same as yours. I've had
cats for over 20 years now and she is my first one to have asthma as well as
so many other health issues. 

She stopped going to her litter box after I had all the carpeting removed
from our home.  This wasn't the smartest thing for me to do but at the time
I didn't put two and two together. She needed the carpet to get around with
her CH.  I Have since went back and placed area rugs around the house over
the hard wood floors to aid her walking abilities.  This has helped about
80%.  She still will not go to her potty and when I take her there and place
her in the potty she will fight with me and start having a fit.  It is
like my placing her in the litter box makes her have an asthma attack. 

I feel like everything I have done has worked against her.  This is the last
thing I ever wanted to do. I only take her to the potty about two times a
day now and when she starts fighting with me I take her out immediately
before she gets too worked up and then she rushes to the hallway and potties
on the runner rug I placed there.  

Taking her to the vet is so traumatic on her too and makes her so much
worse.  I am to the point I just don't know what to do.  With all of her
fits she has I think she would be better off passing.  Actually, the last
time I took her to the vet I was told that they weren't to sure she wouldn't
die she was fitting so badly.  After she is allowed to go home with me,
she is great but then she will fit before I can even get her home and it
seems like it is a never ending story with her.  

She has been dealing with this for about a month now and I just hate putting
her through this!  

I don't even know what's best for her right now. 

Thanks, for answering my email.  You have helped me greatly just letting me
know you and your cat go through this too.

Kim  


...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


I am sorry to hear this. My asthmatic cat bites me. I think he is terrified
when he can't breathe. He is also blind which could be a factor. He is not
FeLV+. We had a FeLV+ who was having tremors. The vet thought it might 
FeLV+have
been a medication we were giving her. 

Re

Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Laurieskatz
Has anyone suggested inhaled medications for the asthma? flovent for
preventive and albuterol for asthma attacks?
Frankie takes Flovent twice a day for his asthma.
What is your kitty's name?

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

Hi Kim
Wonder if you put a rug or towel in the litter box if she would use it
there.
Wonder if the sides of the box scare her. I try to think like a cat. She
is telling you she likes something soft and flat to urinate. I feel your
fear. Sometimes when I don't know what to do, I put it out there when I go
to bed and sometimes I know what to do in the morning. 

Have you considered acupuncture? A friend had this for her cat whose rear
legs were no longer working and she had a complete return of function. That
kitty did not have FELV or the other issues you are dealing with. (What is
CH?) The fits seem so odd...I am recalling that my Teddy (also asthmatic)
started having what looked like seizures. He would stop with one paw in the
air, like he was frozen. By the time I rushed him to the vet, it had passed.
He would thrash around in the bed at night. After he died we discovered he
had metastasized lung cancer. The vet didn't know how he could even breathe
because his lungs were so full of cancer. The specialists did not detect his
cancer despite doing biopsies (including a needle biopsy of his lungs),
blood work, etc. I was frustrated to learn the vet did not include Teddy's
brain in the necropsy as I truly felt he must have had some cancer in his
brain because of the apparent seizures.

L

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hi Laurie,

I Hate myself for having thoughts of letting her go at such a young age.
She is a very beautiful cat whom I have raised since she was one day old.
She was brought to me on Mother's Day in 2008.  Her CH was made worse when I
had her vaccinated and again when I had her spayed.  It seems like I have
done the wrong thing to her constantly because of lack of knowledge. 

I don't think my vet will come here to euthanize her. She will start having
a fit once I put her in a carrier to take her there.  If I carry her she
will fit just from being in the car.  I am so upset and just don't know
what to do.  

It is comforting to hear that your cat bites you too when he has asthma
attacks.  At least I know this is normal now. I am so sorry you have to go
through this though.  AS you know, an attack is so hard on them. I know my
cat only bites us because she cannot breathe...the same as yours. I've had
cats for over 20 years now and she is my first one to have asthma as well as
so many other health issues. 

She stopped going to her litter box after I had all the carpeting removed
from our home.  This wasn't the smartest thing for me to do but at the time
I didn't put two and two together. She needed the carpet to get around with
her CH.  I Have since went back and placed area rugs around the house over
the hard wood floors to aid her walking abilities.  This has helped about
80%.  She still will not go to her potty and when I take her there and place
her in the potty she will fight with me and start having a fit.  It is
like my placing her in the litter box makes her have an asthma attack. 

I feel like everything I have done has worked against her.  This is the last
thing I ever wanted to do. I only take her to the potty about two times a
day now and when she starts fighting with me I take her out immediately
before she gets too worked up and then she rushes to the hallway and potties
on the runner rug I placed there.  

Taking her to the vet is so traumatic on her too and makes her so much
worse.  I am to the point I just don't know what to do.  With all of her
fits she has I think she would be better off passing.  Actually, the last
time I took her to the vet I was told that they weren't to sure she wouldn't
die she was fitting so badly.  After she is allowed to go home with me,
she is great but then she will fit before I can even get her home and it
seems like it is a never ending story with her.  

She has been dealing with this for about a month now and I just hate putting
her through this!  

I don't even know what's best for her right now. 

Thanks, for answering my email.  You have helped me greatly just letting me
know you and your cat go through this too.

Kim  


...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk

Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Kim
Her name is Itty Bitty and my vet has only given us prednisone to use. She
was also put on an oral mediation to enlarge her bronchial tubes but the
medication did not help her as much as the prednisone has.

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Has anyone suggested inhaled medications for the asthma? flovent for
preventive and albuterol for asthma attacks? Frankie takes Flovent twice a
day for his asthma. What is your kitty's name?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Kim
Laurie,

I actually attached a small rug to a plastic carpet runner with those large
metal clasps.  She wouldn't use it.  I'd place her on it and she would crawl
off of it and go beside it when I had carpet there.  Then I just started
carrying her to her box a few times a day.  She is very constipated.  I
think it is because she gets very little exercise/movement from her rear end
and legs part of her body. She really just pulls her rear part along with
her front limbs.  She has very little muscle mass in her hind leg region.
Her upper body strength is tremendous.  I have found though that all this
pulling herself along seems to exert so much energy from her that it will
make her asthma start acting up.  That's part of the reason I try to help
her out as much as I can by taking her places. 

She also has lymphoid hypoplasia.  She has already had one surgery to remove
a few nodes and have them studied and she is in need of having this done
again.  She has a huge amount of real and fake enlarged lymph nodes around
her intestines.  Currently she is not healthy enough to have this surgery
again to investigate more of what her problem might be with the enlargements
of her nodes.

CH is cerebellar hypoplasia.  

This is the definition from Wikopedia:

Cerebellar hypoplasia is a disorder found in cats and dogs in which the
cerebellum is not completely mature at birth.

Usually symptoms of cerebellar hypoplasia can be seen immediately at birth
in cats, but sometimes can take two months or so to become apparent in dogs.
Cerebellar hypoplasia causes jerky movements, tremors and generally
uncoordinated motion. The animal often falls down and has trouble walking.
Tremors increase when the animal is excited and subside when at ease.

There are several bacterial infections and viral infections such as feline
panleukopenia, caused by feline parvovirus, [1] that can result in the
disorder in both cats and dogs. However, the disease can also be caused by
malnutrition, poisoning, injury or general accidents during development in
the fetus.

The disease does not get better or worse with age, but the cat or dog can
usually learn to somewhat compensate for it and should have a normal
lifespan. Most afflicted animals can lead a fairly normal life if special
considerations for the animal's disability are taken by the pet's owner.



...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hi Kim
Wonder if you put a rug or towel in the litter box if she would use it
there. Wonder if the sides of the box scare her. I try to think like a
cat. She is telling you she likes something soft and flat to urinate. I
feel your fear. Sometimes when I don't know what to do, I put it out there
when I go to bed and sometimes I know what to do in the morning. 

Have you considered acupuncture? A friend had this for her cat whose rear
legs were no longer working and she had a complete return of function. That
kitty did not have FELV or the other issues you are dealing with. (What is
CH?) The fits seem so odd...I am recalling that my Teddy (also asthmatic)
started having what looked like seizures. He would stop with one paw in the
air, like he was frozen. By the time I rushed him to the vet, it had passed.
He would thrash around in the bed at night. After he died we discovered he
had metastasized lung cancer. The vet didn't know how he could even breathe
because his lungs were so full of cancer. The specialists did not detect his
cancer despite doing biopsies (including a needle biopsy of his lungs),
blood work, etc. I was frustrated to learn the vet did not include Teddy's
brain in the necropsy as I truly felt he must have had some cancer in his
brain because of the apparent seizures.

L



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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Laurieskatz
Please look into inhaled medications...they go directly to the lungs
(obviously).


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

Her name is Itty Bitty and my vet has only given us prednisone to use. She
was also put on an oral mediation to enlarge her bronchial tubes but the
medication did not help her as much as the prednisone has.

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Has anyone suggested inhaled medications for the asthma? flovent for
preventive and albuterol for asthma attacks? Frankie takes Flovent twice a
day for his asthma. What is your kitty's name?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

2009-11-01 Thread Laurieskatz
Has the vet suggested lactulose for the constipation?
Does she get enough fluids? Canned food? 
I have a friend who has had a cat or more with CH. 
Is there an internal medicine specialist anywhere near you?
Would you be interested in a telephone consult with one?
L now I really am going off line for the night!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??

Laurie,

I actually attached a small rug to a plastic carpet runner with those large
metal clasps.  She wouldn't use it.  I'd place her on it and she would crawl
off of it and go beside it when I had carpet there.  Then I just started
carrying her to her box a few times a day.  She is very constipated.  I
think it is because she gets very little exercise/movement from her rear end
and legs part of her body. She really just pulls her rear part along with
her front limbs.  She has very little muscle mass in her hind leg region.
Her upper body strength is tremendous.  I have found though that all this
pulling herself along seems to exert so much energy from her that it will
make her asthma start acting up.  That's part of the reason I try to help
her out as much as I can by taking her places. 

She also has lymphoid hypoplasia.  She has already had one surgery to remove
a few nodes and have them studied and she is in need of having this done
again.  She has a huge amount of real and fake enlarged lymph nodes around
her intestines.  Currently she is not healthy enough to have this surgery
again to investigate more of what her problem might be with the enlargements
of her nodes.

CH is cerebellar hypoplasia.  

This is the definition from Wikopedia:

Cerebellar hypoplasia is a disorder found in cats and dogs in which the
cerebellum is not completely mature at birth.

Usually symptoms of cerebellar hypoplasia can be seen immediately at birth
in cats, but sometimes can take two months or so to become apparent in dogs.
Cerebellar hypoplasia causes jerky movements, tremors and generally
uncoordinated motion. The animal often falls down and has trouble walking.
Tremors increase when the animal is excited and subside when at ease.

There are several bacterial infections and viral infections such as feline
panleukopenia, caused by feline parvovirus, [1] that can result in the
disorder in both cats and dogs. However, the disease can also be caused by
malnutrition, poisoning, injury or general accidents during development in
the fetus.

The disease does not get better or worse with age, but the cat or dog can
usually learn to somewhat compensate for it and should have a normal
lifespan. Most afflicted animals can lead a fairly normal life if special
considerations for the animal's disability are taken by the pet's owner.



...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
 One small cat changes coming home to an empty house to coming home.



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jenny-How is Autumn??


Hi Kim
Wonder if you put a rug or towel in the litter box if she would use it
there. Wonder if the sides of the box scare her. I try to think like a
cat. She is telling you she likes something soft and flat to urinate. I
feel your fear. Sometimes when I don't know what to do, I put it out there
when I go to bed and sometimes I know what to do in the morning. 

Have you considered acupuncture? A friend had this for her cat whose rear
legs were no longer working and she had a complete return of function. That
kitty did not have FELV or the other issues you are dealing with. (What is
CH?) The fits seem so odd...I am recalling that my Teddy (also asthmatic)
started having what looked like seizures. He would stop with one paw in the
air, like he was frozen. By the time I rushed him to the vet, it had passed.
He would thrash around in the bed at night. After he died we discovered he
had metastasized lung cancer. The vet didn't know how he could even breathe
because his lungs were so full of cancer. The specialists did not detect his
cancer despite doing biopsies (including a needle biopsy of his lungs),
blood work, etc. I was frustrated to learn the vet did not include Teddy's
brain in the necropsy as I truly felt he must have had some cancer in his
brain because of the apparent seizures.

L



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