Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-25 Thread dlgegg
: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Regarding Amber - Been doing more reading. By keeping Amber

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-25 Thread dlgegg
...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:56:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yikes! I don't like those statistics at all but I believe it. I've been feeding ferals at my office for the last 8 years. Several months back I found one

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Maureen Olvey
From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:56:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yikes! I don't like those statistics at all but I believe it. I've been feeding ferals at my office for the last 8 years. Several months

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Maureen Olvey
...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors I use to have indoor/outdoor cats, but now they are strickly indoor. There are so many dangers outside such as cars, dogs, and the chance of encountering a another cat with felv, for example. I do feel

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Regarding Amber - Been doing more reading. By keeping Amber in the basement you're not putting your cats at risk at all so don't feel

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Jannes Taylor
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 1:49:42 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Regarding Amber - Been doing more reading.  By keeping Amber in the basement you're not putting your cats at risk at all so don't feel

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Maureen Olvey
. But this is natural predation so things are kept in balance. Throw in a highly efficient predator such as a cat and the balance changes. --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Maureen Olvey
@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors LOL Humans are a non-native, introduced and subsidized predators.G This is like expecting pet owners to spay or neuter their pets, interesting idea, one which I would love to see, but seeing and knowing human nature is not going to happen

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Lorrie
This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat are the main threat to birds. As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they have always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to 16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like heart

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
, March 23, 2011 3:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors From that study in CA, the American Bird Conservancy was saying that the answer was to trap and kill the cats. That's the part that really irritated me. Yeah, cats killed a lot of those birds

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Jannes Taylor
AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no less.  I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I rescued and invested so much

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Edna Taylor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Natalie
, March 23, 2011 11:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it. The same reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Beth
by irresponsible people letting their dogs loose. Not to mention the ones which have gotten run over. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Christiane Biagi
...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Our shelter has an indoor only policy. The cat can go out if you have it with you on a leash or if it is in an enclosed patio which it cannot

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
I guess the birds should have stayed dinosaurs, then... ;-) From: LauraM [mailto:hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tue 3/22/2011 7:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread LauraM
and they just replace it with another one. --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 3:58 AM You can also take it further

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-23 Thread Maureen Olvey
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:24:10 -0700 From: hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Maureen - I am in GA also, and analysis of coyote stomach contents showed that something like 60% of them contained cat remains. I suspect

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Natalie
Amen to that! Whenever the cat that we brought back from England got out by accident (not by us), she'd be back in five minutes flat with a bird in her mouth! In addition, about 50% of migrating birds from South America also die by the time they get here I love the idea of wind power, but the

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread SomeWhere Sam
Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same. Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325 SomeWhere Sam From:

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread TANYA NOE
I was just going to say that Sam! --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM Sorry but that information is outdated

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Heather
Me three... On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.comwrote: I was just going to say that Sam! --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Debbie Bates
Thanks Sam!! You rock! Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:23 -0700 From: sin...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Sorry but that information is outdated

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread MaiMaiPG
: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same. Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds http

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Bonnie Hogue
: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors I was just going to say that Sam! --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM Sorry

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Christiane Biagi
Actually, the leading killers are glass windows...particularly taller structures .car winfshields. But cats are the only bird predators in urban aareas, so they of course would be the largest killer of birds. There are other natural predators in rural areas...including other birds like owls,

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Maureen Olvey
-0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Actually, the leading killers are glass windows...particularly taller structures .car winfshields. But cats are the only bird predators in urban aareas, so they of course would

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Edna Taylor
I was thinking the same thing Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:23 -0700 From: sin...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread SomeWhere Sam
. Compared to those numbers cats are trivial. SomeWhere Sam From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 4:03:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Actually, the leading killers are glass windows

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread LauraM
I've tried using those statistics on people who refuse to contain their cats, thinking they MIGHT care about wildlife even though they clearly aren't concerned with their cats' own safety. Hasn't worked. There are also people out there who want irresponsible owners of bird-killing cats to be

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread LauraM
predation so things are kept in balance. Throw in a highly efficient predator such as a cat and the balance changes. --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread create_me_new
-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is habitat loss, but cats are #2. There's a well-known study that was conducted on a couple of adjacent beaches in California, one with a feral cat population and one without. The beach

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread MaiMaiPG
: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is habitat loss, but cats are #2. There's a well-known study that was conducted on a couple of adjacent beaches in California, one with a feral cat population and one without. The beach that is home to feral cats

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Melinda Kerr
: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:56:46 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is habitat loss, but cats are #2. There's a well-known study

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
for their well-being. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SomeWhere Sam Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Sorry

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Bonnie Hogue
...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors All too true. In Milwaukee, once, I saw a terrified wolf on the downtown expressway being chased down by law enforcement (I think that ended badly for the wolf :-() And all along

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread MaiMaiPG
lover (just ask my four furry housemates) AND a big-time bird lover. And never the twain shall meet! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread SomeWhere Sam
From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 6:42:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors I've tried using those statistics on people who refuse to contain their cats, thinking they MIGHT care about wildlife even though

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Sally Davis
It is true... Loss of habitat is number one. Thanks for bringing it up. Sally On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same.

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Natalie
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors My crazy Fuji just wants to make friends with them. She brought us a bird that fell out of a nest once. She brought another one, and then let it go (alive) when it was time to come in. I have caught her a few times with the hamster

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread Natalie
: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors All too true. In Milwaukee, once, I saw a terrified wolf on the downtown expressway being chased down by law enforcement (I think that ended badly for the wolf :-() And all along my former bus route between Milwaukee and Racine you can see deer and wolves