Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Terri Brown
In my experience, if the cat is obviously jaundiced, it may be too late to 
reverse it.  That being said, I am NOT a Vet or a Vet Tech, so I would 
recommend a trip to the Veterinarian ASAP.

The Vet may have your friend try liver support/treatment.  I had a FeLV 
negative though who became jaundiced and was unable to recover.  I put her 
down.  She was miserable and uncomfortable.  She was 7 years old.

Good luck

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  From: Maureen Olveymailto:molvey...@hotmail.com 
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice


  A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one 
has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last couple of 
days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic.  
Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or is this the end 
for him?
   
  Maureen

  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Natalie
It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and
antibiotics are required!

I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where they
wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into stomach to
which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small amounts all
day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any of the two.
I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.  Within 2
weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete
recovery.  Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only
about 1 ½ - 2 yrs old.  She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found
the one and only food that she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis was grim, and
the vets were really surprised how I got her well in such a short time! The
poor girl was through a lot, had a litter in the streets (only 2 survived),
and we got her when she was already pregnant with second litter – too late
to abort. 

 

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

 

A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and
one has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last
couple of days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or
lethargic.  Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or
is this the end for him?
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Beth
Vet. Immediately. 

Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one 
has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last couple of 
days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic.  
Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or is this the end 
for him? Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Sharyl
To build on what Natalie has written.  Jaundice is a sign of liver issues.  
Hepatic Lipidosis is cured by food.  Please tell your friend to get the kitty 
to a vet ASAP.  Time is of the essence.  She can either assist feed with a 
syringe or get an e-tube to get the calories into the kitty. It takes a real 
effort to get enought food into the kitty.  Many find it easier when using an 
e-tube.  It is not painful for the kitty.  Just makes it easier for the 
caretaker.  We say assist feed not force feed.  It is a state of mind.  You are 
assisting your cat to eat.  Please tell her to join the Feline Assisted Feeding 
group.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
 
They have great files and will offer lots of help.  It would be better if you 
friend joined so she could benefit directly.
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
  

It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very 
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and 
antibiotics are required!
I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where they 
wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into stomach to 
which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small amounts all 
day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any of the two.  I 
mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.  Within 2 weeks, 
her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete recovery.  
Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only about 1 ½ - 2 yrs 
old.  She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found the one and only food 
that she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis was grim, and the vets were really 
surprised how I got her well in such a short time! The poor girl was through a 
lot, had a litter in the streets (only 2 survived), and we got her when she was 
already pregnant with second litter – too late to abort. 
 
 
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
 
A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one 
has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last couple of 
days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic.  
Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or is this the end 
for him?
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread molveywda
She took him to the vet.  I think it was Friday.  He just said it was because 
of the FeLV.  I don't think he recommended anything but maybe because it's a 
cat in our foster system and he didn't think we would want to spend a lot of 
money on it.  I don't know for sure.  The vet did some bloodwork and said his 
liver levels were elevated.  I think the kitty ate over the weekend but the 
last couple days he stopped.  She's been assist feeding him a little.  She 
was at the store in the middle of the night the other night buying him baby 
food, sardines, tuna and anything else she thought would tempt him.  She 
finally gave up and made him eat some baby food.  Oh, he drank a little kitten 
milk but didn't want it today.  I told her to mix a/d with water or chicken 
broth because that's easy to get down them.  

The other weird thing is that now his sister won't eat.  She's not yellow or 
anything but last night and today she wouldn't eat but just laid in her 
litterbox.  My friend will be taking her to the vet tomorrow.  I'll tell her 
not to give up on them yet.  I'll tell her to make sure the vet gives both of 
them sub-q fluids.  What kind of antibiotics would you suggest?


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From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 10:54 pm
To build on what Natalie has written.  Jaundice is a sign of liver issues.  
Hepatic Lipidosis is cured by food.  Please tell your friend to get the kitty 
to a vet ASAP.  Time is of the essence.  She can either assist feed with a 
syringe or get an e-tube to get the calories into the kitty. It takes a real 
effort to get enought food into the kitty.  Many find it easier when using an 
e-tube.  It is not painful for the kitty.  Just makes it easier for the 
caretaker.  We say assist feed not force feed.  It is a state of mind.  You are 
assisting your cat to eat.  Please tell her to join the Feline Assisted Feeding 
group.http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ They have 
great files and will offer lots of help.  It would be better if you friend 
joined so she could benefit directly. Sharyl
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice



It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very 
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and 
antibiotics are required!I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to 
the point where they wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically 
into stomach to which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her 
small amounts all day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with 
any of the two.  I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.  
Within 2 weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete 
recovery.  Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only about 
1 ½ - 2 yrs old. 
She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found the one and only food that 
she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis was grim, and the vets were really surprised 
how I got her well in such a short time! The poor girl was through a lot, had a 
litter in the streets (only 2 survived), and we got her when she was already 
pregnant with second litter – too late to abort. From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice  A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, 
littermates about 8 months old, and one has developed jaundice.  He has lost a 
ton of weight also.  The last couple of days he doesn't want to eat although 
he's not laying around or lethargic.  Anyone had experience with this?  
Anything that can be done or is this the end for him?

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Sharyl
Food is the cure for FHL.  She needs to get some good syringes and start assist 
feeding both kitties ASAP.  Have her blend a jar of meat baby food (no onions 
or garlic) with a can of kitten food.  If she blends it well enough won't have 
to dilute with water.  Has more caloreis than A/D.  What counts now is calories.
 
Sharyl 
 


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
  

She took him to the vet.  I think it was Friday.  He just said it was because 
of the FeLV.  I don't think he recommended anything but maybe because it's a 
cat in our foster system and he didn't think we would want to spend a lot of 
money on it.  I don't know for sure.  The vet did some bloodwork and said his 
liver levels were elevated.  I think the kitty ate over the weekend but the 
last couple days he stopped.  She's been assist feeding him a little.  She 
was at the store in the middle of the night the other night buying him baby 
food, sardines, tuna and anything else she thought would tempt him.  She 
finally gave up and made him eat some baby food.  Oh, he drank a little kitten 
milk but didn't want it today.  I told her to mix a/d with water or chicken 
broth because that's easy to get down them.  

The other weird thing is that now his sister won't eat.  She's not yellow or 
anything but last night and today she wouldn't eat but just laid in her 
litterbox.  My friend will be taking her to the vet tomorrow.  I'll tell her 
not to give up on them yet.  I'll tell her to make sure the vet gives both of 
them sub-q fluids.  What kind of antibiotics would you suggest?


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From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 10:54 pm



To build on what Natalie has written.  Jaundice is a sign of liver issues.  
Hepatic Lipidosis is cured by food.  Please tell your friend to get the kitty 
to a vet ASAP.  Time is of the essence.  She can either assist feed with a 
syringe or get an e-tube to get the calories into the kitty. It takes a real 
effort to get enought food into the kitty.  Many find it easier when using an 
e-tube.  It is not painful for the kitty.  Just makes it easier for the 
caretaker.  We say assist feed not force feed.  It is a state of mind.  You are 
assisting your cat to eat.  Please tell her to join the Feline Assisted Feeding 
group.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
 
They have great files and will offer lots of help.  It would be better if you 
friend joined so she could benefit directly.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Natalie
I agree, assist-feed is a much better term for “force-feeding”, because one 
should never force a cat because it only adds to their stress; it’s also 
important to remain calm because they can sense your stress! I don’t feed as 
much at one time as is always suggested because I choose to feed small amounts 
every ½ hour, otherwise they would have been spitting it out. Every cat is 
different, and there isn’t one technique that fits all – you just have to find 
what’s right for your cat. I’ve watched many  feeding instruction videos, but 
none of them would have been right for this particular cat, which makes me 
believe that I should probably post another instructional video for those cats 
who don’t fall in any of the categories.  Actually, I use my technique for all 
cats, the only difference being how each cat is held, wrapped in a towel, or 
zipped up in a cat bag.

My guess would be that “something” caused your cat not to eat, and the jaundice 
was caused by it. 

Good luck and keep us posted!

Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

 

To build on what Natalie has written.  Jaundice is a sign of liver issues.  
Hepatic Lipidosis is cured by food.  Please tell your friend to get the kitty 
to a vet ASAP.  Time is of the essence.  She can either assist feed with a 
syringe or get an e-tube to get the calories into the kitty. It takes a real 
effort to get enought food into the kitty.  Many find it easier when using an 
e-tube.  It is not painful for the kitty.  Just makes it easier for the 
caretaker.  We say assist feed not force feed.  It is a state of mind.  You are 
assisting your cat to eat.  Please tell her to join the Feline Assisted Feeding 
group.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/

 

They have great files and will offer lots of help.  It would be better if you 
friend joined so she could benefit directly.

 

Sharyl

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

 

It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very 
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and 
antibiotics are required!

I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where they 
wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into stomach to 
which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small amounts all 
day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any of the two.  I 
mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.  Within 2 weeks, 
her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete recovery.  
Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only about 1 ½ - 2 yrs 
old.  She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found the one and only food 
that she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis was grim, and the vets were really 
surprised how I got her well in such a short time! The poor girl was through a 
lot, had a litter in the streets (only 2 survived), and we got her when she was 
already pregnant with second litter – too late to abort. 

 

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

 

A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one 
has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last couple of 
days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic.  
Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or is this the end 
for him?
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
I agree that this kitty needs to be looked at for lipidosis. My Luc had a
bout with this several years ago – he had stopped eating and we didn’t
immediately notice, never did find out the reason although the vet suspected
a touch of pancreatitis. We had a feeding port implanted in his esophagus, a
couple inches from his ear. It didn’t bother him too much, and we were able
to feed him watered-down and blundered A-D. Within 2 weeks his appetite was
back on track. First he wanted to lap up the A-D goo, and then he started
eating on his own again. We had to leave the port in for a while because the
surrounding hole had to heal before it could be taken out. Anyway, he made a
complete recovery. It cost us quite a bit since the emergency vet in the
area was the only one who could put in the port, and Luc had a bad reaction
to the anesthetic and had to stay the night there – that by itself was $600
– but it was money well spent to save our guy. He was 13 at the time (and
FeLV-). 

 

Diane R.

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
Importance: High

 

It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and
antibiotics are required!

I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where they
wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into stomach to
which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small amounts all
day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any of the two.
I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.  Within 2
weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete
recovery.  Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only
about 1 ½ - 2 yrs old.  She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found
the one and only food that she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis was grim, and
the vets were really surprised how I got her well in such a short time! The
poor girl was through a lot, had a litter in the streets (only 2 survived),
and we got her when she was already pregnant with second litter – too late
to abort. 

 

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

 

A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and
one has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last
couple of days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or
lethargic.  Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or
is this the end for him?
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread KG BarnCats
Ask about an appetite stimulant such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine.  I
have had feeding tubes put in several times and would never hesitate to get
another.  Helping   Hands in Richmond Va is an awesome low cost surgery,
and a feeding tube is only $125 total. One thing to watch out for with
hepatic lipidosis is refeeding injury... it can cause major problems!

On Thursday, March 22, 2012, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 I agree that this kitty needs to be looked at for lipidosis. My Luc had a
bout with this several years ago – he had stopped eating and we didn’t
immediately notice, never did find out the reason although the vet
suspected a touch of pancreatitis. We had a feeding port implanted in his
esophagus, a couple inches from his ear. It didn’t bother him too much, and
we were able to feed him watered-down and blundered A-D. Within 2 weeks his
appetite was back on track. First he wanted to lap up the A-D goo, and then
he started eating on his own again. We had to leave the port in for a while
because the surrounding hole had to heal before it could be taken out.
Anyway, he made a complete recovery. It cost us quite a bit since the
emergency vet in the area was the only one who could put in the port, and
Luc had a bad reaction to the anesthetic and had to stay the night there –
that by itself was $600 – but it was money well spent to save our guy. He
was 13 at the time (and FeLV-).



 Diane R.



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felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
 Importance: High



 It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and
antibiotics are required!

 I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where
they wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into
stomach to which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small
amounts all day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any
of the two.  I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.
 Within 2 weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a
complete recovery.  Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She
was only about 1 ½ - 2 yrs old.  She is a very fussy eater, and I have
finally found the one and only food that she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis
was grim, and the vets were really surprised how I got her well in such a
short time! The poor girl was through a lot, had a litter in the streets
(only 2 survived), and we got her when she was already pregnant with second
litter – too late to abort.





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felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice



 A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and
one has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last
couple of days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or
lethargic.  Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or
is this the end for him?

 Maureen

 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain
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