Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-23 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Dear all,
Some potentially very useful information from Nina, a former longtime
member and prolific and hugely knowledgeable contributor to the list:


This is interesting.  My sister just called to tell me she heard on the
radio about a study indicating that yogurt consumption aids in reducing
gingivitis and periodontal disease.  I'm hoping it might make some
difference in felv kitties gingivitis, maybe even stomatitis.  In any
case it seems like something that might be tried under the It can't
hurt rule.  I'm going to start eating more yogurt just in case it may
help my mouth.  Could one of you please pass this on to the list just in
case?

I did a quick Goggle and came up first with this home remedy site:

http://www.savvynaturalhealer.com/2008/02/fight-gum-disease-with-yogurt.
html

From Japan's Kyushu University comes a report of a new study published
in this month's Journal of Periodontology 
that finds that eating yogurt may prevent gum disease.

The scientists learned that eating at least two ounces (56 g) of foods
cultured with the friendly bacterium Lactobacillus 
significantly reduced the risk of severe gingivitis, that is, with
pockets more than 2 mm (about 1/10 of an inch) deep in 
the gums. The benefits of Lactobacillus held even when the researchers
accounted for differences in age, gender, 
frequency of tooth brushing, blood sugar levels, cholesterol levels,
smoking, and alcohol consumption.

What the scientists did not find was a protective role for consumption
of milk and cheese. These foods seem to feed the 
bacteria that attack the gums. Only yogurt and similar foods were
helpful. It's well known that acidity produced by 
Lactobacilli kills E. coli, Campylobacter, and Salmonella. 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-07 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Robin, I'm so sorry you lost Kiwi.  He knows you did everything within
your power.  Gentlest of Bridge vibes to him, and hugs to you.

Diane R. 

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Kiwi is with God now.  I'm to upset to say anything else right now.
Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-05 Thread April and Jay
Dearest Robin, I lost my sweet baby  Fluffie two weeks ago. The hurt is still 
so strong. You work so hard to save them and yet sometimes they still have to 
leave us. It's so fustrating. I send you love and know I feel your pain. I am 
hurting too but you are not alone. We are all here for you. Take your time, I 
hate when people think you should just get over it after a few days. I will 
never get over it only time will make it easier to deal with. For me I know 
that the pain seems so much but to never have had her in my life hurts even 
more. Kiwi was blessed and the love he gave was pure and all yours and death 
can't even take that from you.
Hugs,
April
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Kiwi is with God now.  I'm to upset to say anything else right now.  Robin




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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-04 Thread Marylyn
Kiwi left this world cared for...Bless you for loving the little  
one.  Try to find some peace in the comfort you gave Kiwi.
On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Lynne wrote:

 My prayers go out to you and Kiwi Robin.  I'm so sorry for your  
 loss.  You
 did your best and Kiwi loves you for it.
 Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-04 Thread TatorBunz
Robin,
I'm so sorry for your loss of Kiwi.
Bless you for giving him the love and care he needed in his short stay  here.
He is at the bridge romping with others that are there.
Where there is no illnesses and everyone is happy.
I'm sure he has met my Taz by now.
 
BTW...I love that name. 
I will name one of my rescue Russian Blue kittens Kiwi.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-04 Thread wendy
Robin,
 
Prayers going out for your peace and comfort.  I'm sorry about little Kiwi.  
We're here for you if you need to vent/talk.
 
Wendy 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-03 Thread Lynne
My prayers go out to you and Kiwi Robin.  I'm so sorry for your loss.  You 
did your best and Kiwi loves you for it.
Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-03 Thread Sally Davis
I am so sorry and I do understand. May your heart find peace in your
wonderful memories of Kiwi.

Hugs

sally


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-03 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Robin I am so sorry you lost your sweet Kiwi(I love the name).Hugs to you.
Sherry

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Kiwi is with God now.  I'm to upset to say anything else right now.  Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-03 Thread Sharyl
Dear Robin, I am so sorry.  Kiwi is now romping in the green meadows chasing 
butterflies.
Sharyl

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Kiwi is with God now.  I'm to upset to say anything else right now.  Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad

2008-09-30 Thread catatonya
Robyn,
   
  You and Kiwi are in my thoughts and prayers.
  tonya

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  I have not posted for a while about kiwi. I think the last one I told you 
that my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan. He never did. Before that 
I tried to find a rescue who would take him, but there wasn't any openings. I 
have no funds to get him to vet. Sad to say, kiwi is really sick. He is unable 
to keep food down. He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat. I gave him 
just a little wet food, and he through it all up. He does drink a little water. 
I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will take 5 to 10 minutes 
to see if he can keep it down. He used his kitty litter in the last day or so. 
Before all this, he ate a lot of his favorite cat food. He didn't throw it up, 
but he had diarrhea and he was bony. He was always full of energy. I can't let 
him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a shelter and explain the 
situation to them and ask them humanly put him to sleep. I don't want to do 
this, but I don't want him to suffer
 anymore. To you who have not read my earlier postings, I did not adopt kiwi, 
my son found him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near his did sibling. He 
bought him home and we did our usual thing and gave him kitten formula and 
kitten food. He thrived. My daughter who has another cat took her's to a 
regular vet visit, but de sided to take kiwi also. (this one time) Sadly, Kiwi 
came out positive for feline leukemia. We checked him about when he was about 7 
or 8 months old, and again he came back positive. We new that we would not be 
able to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue. None of them were 
able to take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/cat. We live in Fairfax County 
Virginia, which is a large county, but no one could take him. So we did the 
best we could for him, but it wasn't enough. I don't blame anyone. It's just 
how it is. It's just so hard when your hands are tied. Well, I better go for 
now. I will let you know what happened. Bye, Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-09-29 Thread Lorrie
If Kiwi hasn't eaten or had much to drink for awhile it will
take a few hours for him to need to use his box.  Just keep
an eye on him.  It sounds like he is making good progress.

Lorrie

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 I gave Kiwi water and some pumpkin via a syringe.  He did ok.  He
 has not thrown it up so far.  I changed his dry food to another and
 he has actually eaten a few.  My concern this moment is that he
 hasn't urinated or defecated.  I am going to give him a little tuna
 in a few hours.  I don't want to put to much in his delicate
 system.  I will try to coax him to use his kitty litter box.  Well,
 that's all for now.  Bye, Robin
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad

2008-09-29 Thread wendy
Robin,
 
My heart goes out to little Kiwi, and to your family as well.  It's never easy.
 
Wendy

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I have not posted for a while about kiwi.  I think the last one I told you that 
my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan.  He never did.  Before that I 
tried to find a rescue who would take him, but there wasn't any openings.  I 
have no funds to get him to vet.  Sad to say, kiwi is really sick.  He is 
unable to keep food down.  He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat.  I 
gave him just a little wet food, and he through it all up.  He does drink a 
little water.  I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will take 
5 to 10 minutes to see if he can keep it down.  He used his kitty litter in the 
last day or so.  Before all this, he ate a lot of his favorite cat food.  He 
didn't throw it up, but he had diarrhea and he was bony.  He was always full of 
energy.  I can't let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a 
shelter and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to 
sleep.  I don't want
 to do this, but I don't want him to suffer anymore.  To you who have not read 
my earlier postings,  I did not adopt kiwi, my son found him when he was about 
2 1/2 weeks old near his did sibling.  He bought him home and we did our usual 
thing and gave him kitten formula and kitten food.  He thrived.  My daughter 
who has another cat took her's to a regular vet visit, but de sided to take 
kiwi also.  (this one time)  Sadly, Kiwi came out positive for feline 
leukemia.  We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8 months old, and again 
he came back positive.  We new that we would not be able to afford to pay a vet 
so we tried to find a rescue.  None of them were able to take a Feline leukemia 
positive kitten/cat.  We live in Fairfax County Virginia, which is a large 
county, but no one could take him.  So we did the best we could for him, but it 
wasn't enough.  I don't blame anyone.  It's just how it is.  It's just so hard 
when your hands are
 tied.  Well, I better go for now.  I will let you know what happened.  Bye, 
Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - sad

2008-09-29 Thread wendy
Robin,
 
Sharyl gave you great info.  The babyfood worked wonders with one of my kitties 
who had issues with her stomach so bad she stopped eating.  I thought we were 
going to lose her, but more than twice she came through with the help of the 
baby food, pepcid ac, and chicken broth and boiled chicken.  Make sure she is 
getting fluids.  Dehydration makes kitties feel horrible.  Syringing several 
drops or more every hour or so may help.
 
Keep us posted, 
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Tried to give Kiwi a little canned pumpkin.  He tried to ignore it, but I put a 
tiny bit in his mouth and he became a little interested.  He ate a tiny bit 
more on his own then he stopped.  I am going to wait 30 minutes to make sure he 
can keep it down.  I am not sure what to look for.  I guess maybe for his 
appetite to return eventually.  I just wish I could afford to take him to a vet 
to see exactly what is going on with him.  Anyway, I'll let you know how things 
are coming along soon.  Thanks!  Bye, Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad

2008-09-28 Thread Gloria Lane
I know it's a difficult situation, but there are rescues and rescuers  
that take FELV cats/kittens.  And if he chooses to keep him, would be  
such a gift.  What I do to boost the immune system - and it works well  
- is to give 1cc interferon once daily to my FELV kitties that are  
less than 3 -4 years old.  Different vet sell interferon alpha for  
different amounts  of $$.   I shopped around and found a vet who would  
sell me a big supply that lasts several months, for $15.  I buy it  
from him, mix it as instructed, and freeze it in small containers, so  
that I can get it and unfreeze as needed. I give 1cc daily with a 3cc  
syringe.

Best of luck,

Gloria


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 I have not posted for a while about kiwi.  I think the last one I  
 told you that my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan.  He  
 never did.  Before that I tried to find a rescue who would take him,  
 but there wasn't any openings.  I have no funds to get him to vet.   
 Sad to say, kiwi is really sick.  He is unable to keep food down.   
 He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat.  I gave him just a  
 little wet food, and he through it all up.  He does drink a little  
 water.  I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will  
 take 5 to 10 minutes to see if he can keep it down.  He used his  
 kitty litter in the last day or so.  Before all this, he ate a lot  
 of his favorite cat food.  He didn't throw it up, but he had  
 diarrhea and he was bony.   He was always full of energy.  I can't  
 let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a shelter  
 and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to  
 sleep.  I don't want to do this, but I don't want him to suffer  
 anymore.   To you who have not read my earlier postings,  I did not  
 adopt kiwi, my son found him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near  
 his did sibling.  He bought him home and we did our usual thing and  
 gave him kitten formula and kitten food.  He thrived.   My daughter  
 who has another cat took her's to a regular vet visit, but de sided  
 to take kiwi also.  (this one time)  Sadly, Kiwi came out positive  
 for feline leukemia.  We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8  
 months old, and again he came back positive.  We new that we would  
 not be able to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue.   
 None of them were able to take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/ 
 cat.   We live in Fairfax County Virginia, which is a large county,  
 but no one could take him.  So we did the best we could for him, but  
 it wasn't enough.  I don't blame anyone.  It's just how it is.  It's  
 just so hard when your hands are tied.  Well, I better go for now.   
 I will let you know what happened.   Bye, Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad

2008-09-28 Thread Sharyl
Robin, I don't know if Kiwi is crashing from the FeLV or for another reason.  I 
understand you are limited with funds.  One idea would be to feed him meat baby 
food (no onion or garlic).  Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy is a favorite in our 
house.  If he can't eat it on his own you can assist feed him with a syringe.  
I got 10 cc syringes in the baby section at the drug store.  The pharmacists 
may just give you a few syringes.  Notice I said assist feed not force feed.  
It is a state of mind.  You are assisting Kiwi to eat.  There is a great Yahoo 
Assist Feeding group that you can join.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
A kitty who isn't eating has less desire to eat, especially a kitty who has 
been throwing up.
 
Original Strength Pepcid AC (not any of the other versions of Pepcid) or 
Famotidine, the generic version helps with stomach acid.  I'd try 1/4 of a 10 
mg tablet once a day to see if it helps.  I crush it, dissolve it in a little 
water, add it to the baby food and syringe it to my cats. 
 
You could try adding some peas or squash baby food to his food for the 
diarrhea.  Canned pumpkin (not pie filling) works too.  Usually 1/2 tsp with 
every feeding.  Slippery Elm Bark, which is found in health food stores, is one 
of those good for everything supplements.   It is a powder that can be added to 
food or dissolved in water and syringed. SEB helps nausea, diarrhea and 
constipation.
 
Just wanted to put some ideas out there on how you could make Kiwi more 
comfortable.
Sharyl

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Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:57 AM

I have not posted for a while about kiwi.  I think the last one I told you that
my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan.  He never did.  Before that I
tried to find a rescue who would take him, but there wasn't any openings.  I
have no funds to get him to vet.  Sad to say, kiwi is really sick.  He is unable
to keep food down.  He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat.  I gave
him just a little wet food, and he through it all up.  He does drink a little
water.  I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will take 5 to 10
minutes to see if he can keep it down.  He used his kitty litter in the last day
or so.  Before all this, he ate a lot of his favorite cat food.  He didn't
throw it up, but he had diarrhea and he was bony.   He was always full of
energy.  I can't let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a
shelter and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to sleep.
 I don't want to do this, but I don't want him to suffer anymore.   To
you who have not read my earlier postings,  I did not adopt kiwi, my son found
him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near his did sibling.  He bought him home
and we did our usual thing and gave him kitten formula and kitten food.  He
thrived.   My daughter who has another cat took her's to a regular vet
visit, but de sided to take kiwi also.  (this one time)  Sadly, Kiwi came out
positive for feline leukemia.  We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8
months old, and again he came back positive.  We new that we would not be able
to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue.  None of them were able to
take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/cat.   We live in Fairfax County
Virginia, which is a large county, but no one could take him.  So we did the
best we could for him, but it wasn't enough.  I don't blame anyone. 
It's just how it is.  It's just so hard when your hands are tied.  Well,
I better go for now.  I will let you know what happened.   Bye, Robin

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-24 Thread Alice hanson
Have you tried giving them canned pumpkin? Whenever my kitties start to get 
diarrhea, I give them that. They love the stuff!Alice

 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:51:21 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year 
 old cat There is a new product for diarrhea (Purina?). Maybe 
 someone else remembers  what it's called. May need a vet to provide it. Not 
 sure.  I wouldn't sit on either problem. Good you are acting.  Prayers 
 for Kiwi.  L  Iowa   You do not need a vet to provide Fortiflora, if 
 that is what you are talking about...Purina makes it.  Fortiflora: 
 *http://tinyurl.com/4zp9h5  *My vet swears by Diarsanyl : 
 *http://tinyurl.com/6cpowb  *He says it contains volcanic earth, and to 
 quote him sounds like hippie stuff, but it works.  I keep both in my 
 arsenal of kitty diarrhea remedies. Usually if one does not work, the other 
 will.  * * http://www.rescuties.org  Vist the Rescuties store and save 
 a kitty life!  
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20  Check out 
 our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9  
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*  Please help with some of our kitties 
 medical needs!  http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses  
 Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first 
 as long as you leave me alone. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-24 Thread Sharyl
Not being able to take him to the vet makes it tough.  Canned pumpkin (not pie 
filling) has helped many kitties.  So has slippery elm bark which can be found 
in most health food stores or on line.  Also giving a probiotic could help.  
Since Kiwi won't eat canned food it might be hard to give him the pumpkin.  
Diarrhea can lead to dehydration which will cause another laundry list of 
problems.   Food allergies and IBD both cause these symptoms.  A cat can 
develop a food allergy even if they have been eating a food for a period of 
time.
 
The eyes are another issue.  He may need terramycin salve to clear up the eye.  
Supplementing with L-Lysine couldn't hurt.   
Sharyl  

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Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 9:44 PM

My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was actually very
healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula.  The next day we took
him to our local vet who thought he was between 
2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we
feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we could not feed him fast
enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We did everything for him a mom cat would
do.  He thrived.  When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the
kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat.  Everything looked good
until they did the fel Luk test.  It came take positive.  We were all shocked.  
The vet asked us what we wanted to do.  Like do we want them to put him to
sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This active happy go lucky kitten.  I
couldn't imagine doing something like that.   We were worried about the
other cat, who had been immunized against it.  He came back negative.  Well,
this was last summer.  Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested
positive again.  We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's
milk.  All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we
had two dogs and another cat.  There has not been any openings, I think possibly
because he is felv positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his
eyes.  But he does act fine.  I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet
food.  He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money.  I know with dogs
if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am
wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also exploring
to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would get the top
plan which is about $30.00.  I figure it's better then nothing.  I think
most lab work is included.  And I also think they he will need plenty of blood
test to check his blood count.  Any advise is very welcomed.  Thanks!  P.S. 
wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi ~ urgency imo

2008-08-24 Thread Laurieskatz
Diarrhea is a serious problem. It can result in death. 
It can be from something as simple as parasites and as serious as intestinal
cancer. Can be from food allergies or IBD. More info here:
http://www.our-happy-cat.com/cat-diarrhea.html
http://cats.suite101.com/article.cfm/diarrhea_in_cats

Most vets prescribe metronidazole (flagyl) which is not expensive. I am not
a fan of it but it's usually the first thing my vets prescribe.
Food trials can get to the bottom of a food allergy (no test for food
allergy).
Untreated diarrhea can lead to break down of the follicles in intestine that
do the work of moving the bowels and the cat will never have normal stools.
This happened to one of my cats ~ that is why I urge you to get him to a
vet. Maybe friends or family would help? Even if you could get a few people
to donate five or 10 dollars, that would help. I doubt it will be more than
a vet visit and meds. Some vets take credit cards.

In the meantime please give the unflavored pedialtye. I am sure you know
that cats can go into liver failure if they go more than 48 hours without
proper nutrition.

RE the eyes, if you give the wrong remedy, it can make things worse. I would
never treat an eye without vet supervision. Please find a way to get him to
the vet. These are both serious issues if left untreated. 

Laurie



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Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a little worried because he
is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have some type of
deficiency.  He might need it this time just to see where he stands.  He
hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of Revolution  
on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal parasites.  I  
also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a little bit  
(1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic anti-diarrhea  
tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food store and use  
it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin for diarrhea  
too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.

Best of luck,

Gloria



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 Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a little worried  
 because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have  
 some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time just to see  
 where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Chris
Good for you for taking care of Kiwi--he sounds like a spunky little guy.
Whatever you do for him is more than most would have done and we all just
try to do the best we can depending on our circumstances.  I have 2 FELV +
and one, Romeo, absolutely freaks out if I have to take him to vet.  I've
only done a few trips with him because of that--it would be good if I could
get him there more regularly but the stress to him is not worth it.  He's an
older guy and I know with him, I have to watch his teeth/gums as he's prone
to infections.  My other FELV+, Tucson, is more mellow about going to vet
but still finds it pretty stressful.  I know with her, if she turns her nose
up at food, something's going on and I need to check her white blood count. 

I made a decision based on their personalities, etc. that the very best I
could do for both of them was to give them some decent food, keep them safe
at home, etc.  I know them well enough to sense when something is up.  You
shouldn't have to bring Kiwi for regular blood tests and I don't bring mine
in for yearly checkups.  Save vet trips for when you know something's
really not right...  If vet prescribes meds, have him give u a prescription
and consider buying online or even at regular drug store--oftentimes, meds
are cheaper that way.  Maybe for the diahrea, start by bringing stool sample
for testing to vet first.  Its cheaper and this way if you do have to bring
Kiwi in, he'll have some ideas about what is or is not going on.  

In the meantime, get him to eat anything that he'll keep down and make sure
he has plenty of fluids--water, water from tuna can, moist people food
like chicken, etc.  Try not to change the food he eats too often--if you
have to, mix the old food w. the new as change of food can also cause
diahrea.  Look around for some really good food for him--doesn't have to be
the most expensive food but watch for fillers that don't have any
nutritional value.  If he eats chicken fine, then maybe supplement dry food
with cooked chicken--and it doesn't have to be chicken breast--my guys LOVE
the dark meet I peel off chicken legs, etc.



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Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a little worried because he
is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have some type of
deficiency.  He might need it this time just to see where he stands.  He
hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Laura Mostello
One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had diarrhea 
problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on Wellness and he 
hasn't had diarrhea since.
Laura


--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
 Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
 Revolution  
 on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
 parasites.  I  
 also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
 little bit  
 (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
 anti-diarrhea  
 tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
 store and use  
 it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
 for diarrhea  
 too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
 
 Best of luck,
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
 little worried  
  because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
 he might have  
  some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
 just to see  
  where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
 was fixed.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had 
diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on 
Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
Laura


--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
  Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
  Revolution
  on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
  parasites.  I
  also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
  little bit
  (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
  anti-diarrhea
  tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
  store and use
  it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
  for diarrhea
  too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
 
  Best of luck,
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
  little worried
   because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
  he might have
   some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
  just to see
   where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
  was fixed.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had 
diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on 
Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
Laura


--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
  Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
  Revolution
  on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
  parasites.  I
  also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
  little bit
  (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
  anti-diarrhea
  tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
  store and use
  it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
  for diarrhea
  too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
 
  Best of luck,
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
  little worried
   because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
  he might have
   some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
  just to see
   where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
  was fixed.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Chris
I switched my gang to Wellness wet--though it's a bit more than other foods,
I find that its nutritious enough that they don't eat quite as much of it.
I have two whose weight is a tad bit more than I'd like it to be and wanted
to get away from fillers that would put on more weight.  I tried the dry a
couple of times, but they turned up their noses at it--they're not spoiled
or anything!

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had 
diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on 
Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
Laura


--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
  Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
  Revolution
  on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
  parasites.  I
  also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
  little bit
  (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
  anti-diarrhea
  tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
  store and use
  it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
  for diarrhea
  too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
 
  Best of luck,
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
  little worried
   because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
  he might have
   some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
  just to see
   where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
  was fixed.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane
My friend is using the dry only - his 2 cats won't eat the wet.  But 
one cat had hair coming out-  little spots - and after switching to 
Wellness dry, those have gone away - lovely silky fur.  THey don't 
like it as well, but eat it more slowly.  His 20 pound fat cat is 
losing weight, and we're delighted.

Gloria


At 11:24 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
I switched my gang to Wellness wet--though it's a bit more than other foods,
I find that its nutritious enough that they don't eat quite as much of it.
I have two whose weight is a tad bit more than I'd like it to be and wanted
to get away from fillers that would put on more weight.  I tried the dry a
couple of times, but they turned up their noses at it--they're not spoiled
or anything!

Christiane Biagi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
 One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had
 diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on
 Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
 Laura
 
 
 --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
   Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
   Revolution
   on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
   parasites.  I
   also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
   little bit
   (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
   anti-diarrhea
   tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
   store and use
   it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
   for diarrhea
   too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
  
   Best of luck,
  
   Gloria
  
  
  
   On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
   little worried
because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
   he might have
some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
   just to see
where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
   was fixed.
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane
My friend is using the dry only - his 2 cats won't eat the wet.  But 
one cat had hair coming out-  little spots - and after switching to 
Wellness dry, those have gone away - lovely silky fur.  THey don't 
like it as well, but eat it more slowly.  His 20 pound fat cat is 
losing weight, and we're delighted.

Gloria


At 11:24 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
I switched my gang to Wellness wet--though it's a bit more than other foods,
I find that its nutritious enough that they don't eat quite as much of it.
I have two whose weight is a tad bit more than I'd like it to be and wanted
to get away from fillers that would put on more weight.  I tried the dry a
couple of times, but they turned up their noses at it--they're not spoiled
or anything!

Christiane Biagi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
 One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had
 diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on
 Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
 Laura
 
 
 --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
   Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
   Revolution
   on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
   parasites.  I
   also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
   little bit
   (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
   anti-diarrhea
   tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
   store and use
   it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
   for diarrhea
   too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
  
   Best of luck,
  
   Gloria
  
  
  
   On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
   little worried
because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
   he might have
some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
   just to see
where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
   was fixed.
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Laurieskatz
www.catinfo.org
has info about Wellness and other good foods. Grain free is what she
recommends (she's a vet). She likes canned for cats better than dry.
L

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Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

My friend is using the dry only - his 2 cats won't eat the wet.  But 
one cat had hair coming out-  little spots - and after switching to 
Wellness dry, those have gone away - lovely silky fur.  THey don't 
like it as well, but eat it more slowly.  His 20 pound fat cat is 
losing weight, and we're delighted.

Gloria


At 11:24 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
I switched my gang to Wellness wet--though it's a bit more than other
foods,
I find that its nutritious enough that they don't eat quite as much of it.
I have two whose weight is a tad bit more than I'd like it to be and wanted
to get away from fillers that would put on more weight.  I tried the dry a
couple of times, but they turned up their noses at it--they're not spoiled
or anything!

Christiane Biagi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
 One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had
 diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on
 Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
 Laura
 
 
 --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
   Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
   Revolution
   on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
   parasites.  I
   also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
   little bit
   (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
   anti-diarrhea
   tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
   store and use
   it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
   for diarrhea
   too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
  
   Best of luck,
  
   Gloria
  
  
  
   On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
   little worried
because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
   he might have
some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
   just to see
where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
   was fixed.
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Laurieskatz
Wellness is cat food.

Check out www.catinfo.org for info about canned wellness.
It's sold by Mother Hubbard ~ you can buy at retailers or order online.
I recommend chicken or turkey canned. Best to avoid fish and any with
grains.

Parasites that live in the intestine will not be killed by Frontline flea
treatment.

L

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What is wellness.  It's sounds a little familiar.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-08-24 Thread Kelley Saveika
It is Revolution that claims to kill roundworms and hookworms (and ear
mites, and protects against heartworms).  Tapeworms you need a different
dewormer for.

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wellness is cat food.

 Check out www.catinfo.org for info about canned wellness.
 It's sold by Mother Hubbard ~ you can buy at retailers or order online.
 I recommend chicken or turkey canned. Best to avoid fish and any with
 grains.

 Parasites that live in the intestine will not be killed by Frontline flea
 treatment.

 L

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi ~ vet input re Revolution

2008-08-24 Thread Laurieskatz
Revolution also claims to kill fleas. It is not the best for ear mites since
they have a 3 week cycle and if you do repeat the Revolution, it's repeated
at 4 weeks. Here is an exchange I had with a vet regarding Revolution:

(VET)Well - I would probably just address each problem separately - use an
oral dewormer for the worms and an ear mite medicine that is put directly in
the ear.  That vet probably carries a product called accarex which is a
one-dose ear mite medicine.   That is what I would prefer to do anyway. :)
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: Zoe thanks you
What would you recommend instead, please. I would prefer not to overkill.
Thanks!
Laurie

From: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:30 AM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: Re: Zoe thanks you

Hi Laurie. I am happy to hear that Zoe recovered alright. About Revolution -
it is an ok product if you have a cat that truly needs treatment all of the
things that Revolution covers.  I am not crazy about it and don't use it on
my cats - it covers everything but doesn't seem to really cover anything all
that well (and it is expensive).  I have had a large number of clients
complain that they were not impressed by its ability to control fleas.  When
it first became available 5 years ago or so - the clinic that I was working
at did an experiment to see how truly efficacious it was against internal
parasites (worms) - we were not impressed and after that little in-house
experiment did not rely on it for that purpose.  It is probably better
suited as a preventative tool than a curative tool for established problems.
If you just have ear mite issues and deworming needs - I guess Revolution
wouldn't be my first choice of treatment.  



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Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

It is Revolution that claims to kill roundworms and hookworms (and ear
mites, and protects against heartworms).  Tapeworms you need a different
dewormer for.

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wellness is cat food.

 Check out www.catinfo.org for info about canned wellness.
 It's sold by Mother Hubbard ~ you can buy at retailers or order online.
 I recommend chicken or turkey canned. Best to avoid fish and any with
 grains.

 Parasites that live in the intestine will not be killed by Frontline flea
 treatment.

 L

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi ~ vet input re Revolution

2008-08-24 Thread Kelley Saveika
My primary concern is heartworms.  I use strongid or panacur (both otc)  for
regular worms, and tapeworm tablets (now otc as welL) for tapeworms.  I can
say that I have never had any earmites since starting to use Revolution,w
hich is at least 3 years ago. Since my cats don't go outside fleas are not a
huge issue for me.  I do have capstar as well.

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Revolution also claims to kill fleas. It is not the best for ear mites
 since
 they have a 3 week cycle and if you do repeat the Revolution, it's repeated
 at 4 weeks. Here is an exchange I had with a vet regarding Revolution:




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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread r_pine
My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was actually very 
healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula.  The next day we took 
him to our local vet who thought he was between 
2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we 
feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we could not feed him fast 
enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We did everything for him a mom cat 
would do.  He thrived.  When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took 
the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat.  Everything looked 
good until they did the fel Luk test.  It came take positive.  We were all 
shocked.   The vet asked us what we wanted to do.  Like do we want them to put 
him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This active happy go lucky kitten.  I 
couldn't imagine doing something like that.   We were worried about the other 
cat, who had been immunized against it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was 
last summer.  Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive 
again.  We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All 
this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs 
and another cat.  There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he 
is felv positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes.  But he 
does act fine.  I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food.  He needs 
to see a vet, but I don't have the money.  I know with dogs if they get an 
upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am wondering if 
chicken breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also exploring to see if I 
can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would get the top plan which is 
about $30.00.  I figure it's better then nothing.  I think most lab work is 
included.  And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his 
blood count.  Any advise is very welcomed.  Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send 
pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread wendy
Welcome to the group.  Chicken breast, as well as chicken broth, worked great 
with my kitty Julie, who had some eating issues.  Didn't help with diarrhea 
though.  Canned pumpkin can be good for that (without spices).  I always 
promote pure L-lysine as a supplement; you can get it at a health food store.  
You might have to mix it in his water if he won't eat wet food.  Or in chicken 
broth.  It's tasteless.  It's good for boosting the immune system.  A stress 
free environment and good diet are the two most important things you can do for 
Kiwi.  The lysine may also help with the stuff in his eyes, because a lot of 
times that's associated with conjunctivitis/feline herpes (can't sure it but 
it's not anything serious; it's kind of like cold sores for humans).  Lysine is 
good for herpes because it acts as an anti-viral.  Not sure how I feel about 
regular blood testing for FeLV+ kitties.  I did have a kitty die from anemia, 
so it may surprise some
 that I have this view, but I think the stress of the vet visit, especially 
many vet visits, might off-set the benefit of having regular blood tests.  But 
that is just my opinion, and there are others here who may feel differently.  
Good luck with Kiwi and keep us posted!
:)
Wendy
(Texas)

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~~~



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:44:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was actually very 
healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula.  The next day we took 
him to our local vet who thought he was between 
2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we 
feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we could not feed him fast 
enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We did everything for him a mom cat 
would do.  He thrived.  When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took 
the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat.  Everything looked 
good until they did the fel Luk test.  It came take positive.  We were all 
shocked.  The vet asked us what we wanted to do.  Like do we want them to put 
him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This active happy go lucky kitten.  I 
couldn't imagine doing something like that.  We were worried about the other 
cat, who had been immunized against it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was 
last summer.  Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive 
again.  We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All 
this time we were trying
 to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat.  There 
has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive.  Right 
now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes.  But he does act fine.  I do feed 
him dry food because he throws up wet food.  He needs to see a vet, but I don't 
have the money.  I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have 
diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am wondering if chicken breast might be 
helpful for cats also.  I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with 
Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would get the top plan which is about $30.00.  I 
figure it's better then nothing.  I think most lab work is included.  And I 
also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count.  
Any advise is very welcomed.  Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so glad you joined this group - I remember when I found my little  
kitten Calawalla Banana BooBoo, in 2001, and she looked so darned  
healthy - so lively, and she tested positive for FELV and I just  
didn't know anything about it.  Fortunately, I had a vet who didn't  
sugggest euth. and who said not to worry, the virus dies when it hits  
the air, etc etc.  I kept her separated from my other cats for a while  
- even taped paper to the bottom of the door.  But after rading and  
talking and being on this list, I finally decided to just open the  
doors up and mix the cats.  WOrked fine.

Calawalla died in 2004. I knew about interferon, from Tally and her  
web site, but never used it - just didn't think that healthy little  
kitten would get sick and die.  But she did, she was between 2.5 and 3  
yrs old.It seemed fairly sudden, but she had mediastinal lymphoma.

Anyhow, I'm a believer in daily interferon, if the kitties are less  
than 4 years old.  I have a friend with 1 FELV cat and 1 non-FELV  
cat.  She's used oral low dose interferon for her FELV cat, and kitty  
has made it past kittenhood into adult hood (must be 5 or 6 now).   
There are vastly different prices available for interferon.

BTW, I have 5 FELV cats right now - 1 is 5, 2 are around 13 years, and  
the new one is a year or two - I'm starting him on interferon.

SOunds like your kitten may have some additional problems, but he may  
turn out ok - I'd encourage you to go ahead and pursue keeping him  
healthy, and also look into interferon.  Chicken sounds like a good  
option for upset stomach, btw.

Best of luck,

Gloria


On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was  
 actually very healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten  
 formula.  The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he  
 was between
 2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple  
 bottle so we feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we  
 could not feed him fast enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We  
 did everything for him a mom cat would do.  He thrived.  When he was  
 about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet  
 because she was also taking her cat.  Everything looked good until  
 they did the fel Luk test.  It came take positive.  We were all  
 shocked.   The vet asked us what we wanted to do.  Like do we want  
 them to put him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This active happy  
 go lucky kitten.  I couldn't imagine doing something like that.   We  
 were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against  
 it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was last summer.  Now he is  
 a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again.  We think  
 he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All this time  
 we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two  
 dogs and another cat.  There has not been any openings, I think  
 possibly because he is felv positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and  
 some guk in his eyes.  But he does act fine.  I do feed him dry food  
 because he throws up wet food.  He needs to see a vet, but I don't  
 have the money.  I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and  
 have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am wondering if chicken  
 breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also exploring to see  
 if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would get the  
 top plan which is about $30.00.  I figure it's better then nothing.   
 I think most lab work is included.  And I also think they he will  
 need plenty of blood test to check his blood count.  Any advise is  
 very welcomed.  Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread Lynne
Wendy, I am certainly no expert but have experienced life with a felv 
positive cat.  If your Kiwi is acting fine, maybe you could change his diet 
to see if this helps his diarrhea.  We had a cat who would eat nothing but 
chicken (human chicken) and he lived for over 20 years. Of course he didn't 
have feline leukemia.  Personally, my belief is that stess is the biggest 
killer of these cats.  You can have all the lab work in the world done but 
if you are not financially in a position to pay for extrodinary treatment, 
then what is the point. My concern now would be to get the diarrhea under 
control and watch his eyes.  That can be treated.  It may not be anything 
all that significant.  If he becomes inactive, won't eat or drink water or 
seems to be having trouble breathing then I would take him to the vet.  Also 
if the diarrhea doesn't subside with a change in diet he should be checked 
out as well.

Best of luck to you and your Kiwi.

Lynne
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat


 My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was actually 
 very healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula.  The next 
 day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between
 2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so 
 we feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we could not feed him 
 fast enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We did everything for him a 
 mom cat would do.  He thrived.  When he was about 3 months old one of my 
 daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. 
 Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test.  It came take 
 positive.  We were all shocked.   The vet asked us what we wanted to do. 
 Li
 ke do we want them to put him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This 
 active happy go lucky kitten.  I couldn't imagine doing something like 
 that.   We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized 
 against it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was last summer.  Now he 
 is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again.  We think he 
 might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All this time we were 
 trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another 
 cat.  The
 re has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv 
 positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes.  But he 
 does act fine.  I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food.  He 
 needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money.  I know with dogs if they 
 get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am 
 wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also 
 exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would 
 get the top
 plan which is about $30.00.  I figure it's better then nothing.  I think 
 most lab work is included.  And I also think they he will need plenty of 
 blood test to check his blood count.  Any advise is very welcomed. 
 Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread Laurieskatz
A couple of my cats have herpes. An outbreak is evidenced by clear discharge
from the eyes. Gunky eyes most likely mean an upper respiratory infection
which may require antibiotics. A failure to treat an infected eye can lead
to ulcers and even blindness. I encourage a vet visit for the gunky eyes. A
vet can tell you if Kiwi has a temperature...unless you can take his temp. I
wouldn't wait for gunky eyes to self correct.

For diarrhea/food ideas, check out www.catinfo.org and maybe visit the IBD
yahoo group. Sometimes WD works (if they need more fiber) and sometimes Low
Reside Works (if they need less fiber). Both foods have to be purchased at
vet office. Diarrhea can sometimes mean a food allergy (it does in my house)
and often times grains can be allergens. Important to keep him hydrated. You
can syringe unflavored pedialyte into his mouth (carefully). Good info on
syringing at the feline assisted feeding yahoo group.

There is a new product for diarrhea (Purina?). Maybe someone else remembers
what it's called. May need a vet to provide it. Not sure.
I wouldn't sit on either problem. Good you are acting.
Prayers for Kiwi.
L
Iowa

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Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

Wendy, I am certainly no expert but have experienced life with a felv 
positive cat.  If your Kiwi is acting fine, maybe you could change his diet 
to see if this helps his diarrhea.  We had a cat who would eat nothing but 
chicken (human chicken) and he lived for over 20 years. Of course he didn't 
have feline leukemia.  Personally, my belief is that stess is the biggest 
killer of these cats.  You can have all the lab work in the world done but 
if you are not financially in a position to pay for extrodinary treatment, 
then what is the point. My concern now would be to get the diarrhea under 
control and watch his eyes.  That can be treated.  It may not be anything 
all that significant.  If he becomes inactive, won't eat or drink water or 
seems to be having trouble breathing then I would take him to the vet.  Also

if the diarrhea doesn't subside with a change in diet he should be checked 
out as well.

Best of luck to you and your Kiwi.

Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat


 My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was actually

 very healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula.  The next 
 day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between
 2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so 
 we feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we could not feed him 
 fast enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We did everything for him a 
 mom cat would do.  He thrived.  When he was about 3 months old one of my 
 daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. 
 Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test.  It came take 
 positive.  We were all shocked.   The vet asked us what we wanted to do. 
 Li
 ke do we want them to put him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This 
 active happy go lucky kitten.  I couldn't imagine doing something like 
 that.   We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized 
 against it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was last summer.  Now he 
 is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again.  We think he 
 might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All this time we were 
 trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another 
 cat.  The
 re has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv 
 positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes.  But he 
 does act fine.  I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food.  He 
 needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money.  I know with dogs if they 
 get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am 
 wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also 
 exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would

 get the top
 plan which is about $30.00.  I figure it's better then nothing.  I think 
 most lab work is included.  And I also think they he will need plenty of 
 blood test to check his blood count.  Any advise is very welcomed. 
 Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread gary
I hope everything turns out OK for the little guy.  Will Bandfield take him 
and not exclude anything to do with pre-existing conditions?  Will they take 
a FeLV+ cat at all?  I would guess they wouldn't cover him but would be very 
happy to hear they would.

Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat


 My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods.  Kiwi was actually 
 very healthy.  We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula.  The next 
 day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between
 2  1/2 to 3 weeks old.  He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so 
 we feed him through a dropper.  He acted as though we could not feed him 
 fast enough.  He loved his kitten formula.  We did everything for him a 
 mom cat would do.  He thrived.  When he was about 3 months old one of my 
 daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. 
 Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test.  It came take 
 positive.  We were all shocked.   The vet asked us what we wanted to do. 
 Like do we want them to put him to sleep.  I couldn't believe it.  This 
 active happy go lucky kitten.  I couldn't imagine doing something like 
 that.   We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized 
 against it.  He came back negative.  Well, this was last summer.  Now he 
 is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again.  We think he 
 might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk.  All this time we were 
 trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another 
 cat.  There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv 
 positive.  Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes.  But he 
 does act fine.  I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food.  He 
 needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money.  I know with dogs if they 
 get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good.  I am 
 wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also.  I am also 
 exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart.  I would 
 get the top plan which is about $30.00.  I figure it's better then 
 nothing.  I think most lab work is included.  And I also think they he 
 will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count.  Any advise is 
 very welcomed.  Thanks!  P.S.  wish I could send pictures of him!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat

2008-08-23 Thread Kelley Saveika


 There is a new product for diarrhea (Purina?). Maybe someone else remembers
 what it's called. May need a vet to provide it. Not sure.
 I wouldn't sit on either problem. Good you are acting.
 Prayers for Kiwi.
 L
 Iowa

 You do not need a vet to provide Fortiflora, if that is what you are
talking about...Purina makes it.

Fortiflora:  *http://tinyurl.com/4zp9h5

*My vet swears by Diarsanyl  :  *http://tinyurl.com/6cpowb

*He says it contains volcanic earth, and to quote him sounds like hippie
stuff, but it works.

I keep both in my arsenal of kitty diarrhea remedies.  Usually if one does
not work, the other will.

*
*
http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

Check out our Memsaic!
http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Please help with some of our kitties medical needs!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-15 Thread catatonya
You will get lots of advice here.  How old is your other cat?  Odds are that if 
your other cat didn't contract felv from kiwi from the time they were together 
he won't ever contract it.  There is always a small risk.  But I have mixed at 
least 13 negative cats with up to two positive cats over a period of over 10 
years and have never had the disease pass from the positive cats to one of the 
negative cats.
   
  tonya

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks 
old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We 
bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him 
use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter 
who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and 
took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months 
old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The 
doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said 
no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year 
old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my 
daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them 
separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but 
we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100%
 protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping 
that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive 
for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble 
with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to 
take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, 
but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is 
that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. 
Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in 
things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our 
back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get 
free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so 
grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber 
spider. He loves carrying it around in the
 house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him because I 
worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a 
blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on the floor 
or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing I don't 
understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is such a 
funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the curious 
little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I 
don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate advise 
from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-15 Thread Debbie Harrison

Robin, what a wonderful story.  All of my cats came to me much the same way you 
found Kiwiorphaned or abandoned...sometimes right after birth.  Love him 
all you can and enjoy his little antics...sometimes their time is very short!  
Good luck! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:48:29 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive  
Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. 
He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought 
some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to 
people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was 
living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi 
with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. 
We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors 
asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At 
that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who 
loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's 
Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The 
Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also 
heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use 
to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come 
back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very 
active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on 
the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried 
to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any 
are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization 
to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some 
times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He 
was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got 
caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got 
himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His 
favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber spider. He loves carrying it around 
in the house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him 
because I worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines 
causing a blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on 
the floor or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing 
I don't understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is 
such a funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the 
curious little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site 
and I don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate 
advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-15 Thread Jane Lyons
Marylyn
I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and  
saddened to
hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how  
difficult
it must be without her.  She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved.
I am so sorry.
Jane






On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every
 minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any
 infections/problems.  Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing.  Learn
 about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend.
 That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us.  Dixie
 Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me.
 She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception
 of mice to hunt.  She had the best regular and holistic care from the
 day we found out she was FeLV+.  She left this world suddenly after an
 infection that left her anemic.  She was fine one day then two days
 later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away.
 She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her
 on many adventures and with me by her side.  I am sure she felt safe
 and loved.  I would not trade one second with this wonderful little
 grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left.  Treasure your
 time.  Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life
 for him and wonderful memories for yourself.

 Others on this list can make recommendations for care.  Dixie had both
 regular and holistic care.  Luckily I could/would afford this for her
 even if other things had to go.  And, just as luckily, she loved to
 travel so getting her this care was very possible.  There are a lot of
 supplements available.  Listen to those on this list.  Feed him the
 best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods.
 Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life.  Dixie had to tolerate
 living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but
 seemed to adapt wonderfully.

 Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with
 his.

 Good luck and blessings to you.
 On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3
 weeks old.  He found him beside his dead sibling.  He was actually
 in good health.  We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a
 horse.  We worked on getting him use to people so that he could
 eventually get him into a rescue.  My daughter who was living with
 me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi
 with her so she could be looked at.  I guess kiwi was about 3 months
 old then.  We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for
 feline luk.  The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted
 to put him asleep.  We said no.  At that point she was and kind of
 still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with
 our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob
 Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate.  The
 Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we
 have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection.  It's
 sad because they use to love to play together.  We were hoping that
 in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back
 positive for the second test.  He still is very active, but he has
 been having trouble with loose bowels.  He is also a bit on the thin
 side.  I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have
 tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it
 doesn't seem like any are available.  One thing positive is that we
 were able to find an organization to neuter him.  Now he doesn't
 spray.  Thank God!  He is funny sometimes.  Some times he gets one
 of his claws caught  in things like curtains, and cat toys.  He was
 trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail
 got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free.  He was scared
 and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain.  He was so grateful
 when I freed him.  His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber
 spider.  He loves carrying it around in the house.  I don't let him
 play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about
 him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a
 blockage.  He also loves laser pointers.  She loves chasing the dot
 on the floor or wall.   He loves the little jingle cat balls, or
 strings.  One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking
 our cocker spaniels face.  He is such a funny cat.  Besides that he
 loves to check everything out.  He is the curious little cat.   I
 would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't
 know if that is allowed.  Well, enough for now.  I would appreciate
 advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat.  Thanks!
 Robin Pine

 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-15 Thread Marylyn
Thanks.  She had the best of everything and was very happy and loved.   
I miss her so much.  Right now I am looking at a little 4 week old (?)  
copper kitten that came from the same pine thicket Dixie came from.   
After a day of talking, assuring and reassuring her, she allowed me to  
snatch her up and bring her to the farm.  Before you think me awful  
for taking one so young you need to know there are 5 hawks in the  
thicket and she would not have survived very long.  I think her mother  
knew that and sent her meowing toward my mother's home.  She will be  
loved and cared for all of her days.  This little one was born about  
the time Dixie was leaving and is a favorite color of Dixie's.  This  
makes things easier.
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:

 Marylyn
 I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and
 saddened to
 hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how
 difficult
 it must be without her.  She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved.
 I am so sorry.
 Jane






 On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every
 minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any
 infections/problems.  Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing.  Learn
 about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend.
 That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us.  Dixie
 Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me.
 She had everything a little cat could want with the possible  
 exception
 of mice to hunt.  She had the best regular and holistic care from the
 day we found out she was FeLV+.  She left this world suddenly after  
 an
 infection that left her anemic.  She was fine one day then two days
 later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away.
 She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her
 on many adventures and with me by her side.  I am sure she felt safe
 and loved.  I would not trade one second with this wonderful little
 grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left.  Treasure your
 time.  Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life
 for him and wonderful memories for yourself.

 Others on this list can make recommendations for care.  Dixie had  
 both
 regular and holistic care.  Luckily I could/would afford this for her
 even if other things had to go.  And, just as luckily, she loved to
 travel so getting her this care was very possible.  There are a lot  
 of
 supplements available.  Listen to those on this list.  Feed him the
 best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods.
 Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life.  Dixie had to  
 tolerate
 living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but
 seemed to adapt wonderfully.

 Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with
 his.

 Good luck and blessings to you.
 On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3
 weeks old.  He found him beside his dead sibling.  He was actually
 in good health.  We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a
 horse.  We worked on getting him use to people so that he could
 eventually get him into a rescue.  My daughter who was living with
 me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi
 with her so she could be looked at.  I guess kiwi was about 3 months
 old then.  We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for
 feline luk.  The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted
 to put him asleep.  We said no.  At that point she was and kind of
 still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with
 our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob
 Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate.  The
 Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we
 have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection.  It's
 sad because they use to love to play together.  We were hoping that
 in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back
 positive for the second test.  He still is very active, but he has
 been having trouble with loose bowels.  He is also a bit on the thin
 side.  I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have
 tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it
 doesn't seem like any are available.  One thing positive is that we
 were able to find an organization to neuter him.  Now he doesn't
 spray.  Thank God!  He is funny sometimes.  Some times he gets one
 of his claws caught  in things like curtains, and cat toys.  He was
 trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail
 got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free.  He was scared
 and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain.  He was so grateful
 when I freed him.  His favorite toy is a 3 inch round 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-14 Thread Marylyn
The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every  
minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any  
infections/problems.  Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing.  Learn  
about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend.   
That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us.  Dixie  
Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me.   
She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception  
of mice to hunt.  She had the best regular and holistic care from the  
day we found out she was FeLV+.  She left this world suddenly after an  
infection that left her anemic.  She was fine one day then two days  
later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away.   
She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her  
on many adventures and with me by her side.  I am sure she felt safe  
and loved.  I would not trade one second with this wonderful little  
grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left.  Treasure your  
time.  Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life  
for him and wonderful memories for yourself.

Others on this list can make recommendations for care.  Dixie had both  
regular and holistic care.  Luckily I could/would afford this for her  
even if other things had to go.  And, just as luckily, she loved to  
travel so getting her this care was very possible.  There are a lot of  
supplements available.  Listen to those on this list.  Feed him the  
best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods.   
Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life.  Dixie had to tolerate  
living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but  
seemed to adapt wonderfully.

Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with  
his.

Good luck and blessings to you.
On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3  
 weeks old.  He found him beside his dead sibling.  He was actually  
 in good health.  We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a  
 horse.  We worked on getting him use to people so that he could  
 eventually get him into a rescue.  My daughter who was living with  
 me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi  
 with her so she could be looked at.  I guess kiwi was about 3 months  
 old then.  We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for  
 feline luk.  The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted  
 to put him asleep.  We said no.  At that point she was and kind of  
 still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with  
 our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob  
 Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate.  The  
 Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we  
 have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection.  It's  
 sad because they use to love to play together.  We were hoping that  
 in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back  
 positive for the second test.  He still is very active, but he has  
 been having trouble with loose bowels.  He is also a bit on the thin  
 side.  I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have  
 tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it  
 doesn't seem like any are available.  One thing positive is that we  
 were able to find an organization to neuter him.  Now he doesn't  
 spray.  Thank God!  He is funny sometimes.  Some times he gets one  
 of his claws caught  in things like curtains, and cat toys.  He was  
 trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail  
 got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free.  He was scared  
 and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain.  He was so grateful  
 when I freed him.  His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber  
 spider.  He loves carrying it around in the house.  I don't let him  
 play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about  
 him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a  
 blockage.  He also loves laser pointers.  She loves chasing the dot  
 on the floor or wall.   He loves the little jingle cat balls, or  
 strings.  One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking  
 our cocker spaniels face.  He is such a funny cat.  Besides that he  
 loves to check everything out.  He is the curious little cat.   I  
 would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't  
 know if that is allowed.  Well, enough for now.  I would appreciate  
 advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat.  Thanks!   
 Robin Pine

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