Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread dlgegg
SARA, I OFTEN WONDER ABOUT THE ISSUE OF IS IT FOR ME OR THEM THAT I AM DOING 
THIS.  I ALSO WAS CONFRONTED WITH THAT QUESTION WITH MY FATHER.  HE WANTED TO 
DO ALL WE COULD DO, BUT AT THE END OF 2 YEARS OF GETTING WORSE RATHER THAN 
BETTER, HE ALSO MADE THE DECISION AND JUST GAVE UP.  HE PASSED AWAY WHILE I WAS 
WASHING HIS FACE.  I THINK THAT FOR THE LAST YEAR, HE WAS TRYING FOR ME MORE 
THAN HIMSELF.  HE ASKED ME IF I WASN'T GETTING TIRED OF CARING FOR HIM JUST A 
FEW DAYS BEFORE HE PASSED.  I REALIZE NOW THAT HE WAS TRYING TO TELL ME THAT HE 
WAS TIRED OF IT.  IF ONLY OUR CATS COULD COMMUNICATE WITH US, I THINK THAT THEY 
MIGHT FEEL THE SAME WAY.  WE WANT SO MUCH FOR THEM TO STAY WITH US THAT WE 
SOMETIMES FORGET  TO ASK THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
 Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote: 
 Tracey, I am so sorry to hear this.  Each of us needs to make our own
 decisions about this, so I'll share our story.
 
 Last July (2009), my husband and I adopted two beautiful Bengal kittens,
 brother and sister.  They were extremely unsocialized, so we worked with
 them for several months before they would let us handle them at all.  When
 they reached six months of age, we took them in to be spayed/neutered, and
 at that time it was discovered that they were both FeLV+.  One of the first
 things I did was to search for this list and thank heaven, you all are here.
 
 Taj, the male and 18 months old, started having difficulty breathing in
 mid-July 2010.  We took him into the vet for tests, and discovered a massive
 tumor pressing into his lungs.  We were give the option of chemo and other
 treatments, but opted to let him go, as he was in obvious distress.
 
 Several weeks later, we took his sister Rani in for an exam.  I had felt a
 lump in her lower abdomen, and although she was showing no signs of weight
 loss or a decline in appetite or energy level at that time, we wanted to
 check it out as quickly as possible.  She also has developed lymphoma, this
 time affecting her kidneys.  They are about 1.5 times the size they should
 be.  Again, we were offered the option of chemo, but decided to go with
 palliative care.  She has been on 5mg of pred twice a day for three weeks
 now.  It is likely this sweet girl will join all our other precious babies
 at the Bridge very soon.  Given the FeLV+ status, we can't justify putting
 her through the trauma.  We had taken another cat (no FeLV issues) through
 chemo for a stomach tumor several years ago, and it took such a toll on her,
 on us, on our financeswe bought her perhaps 6 months of diminished
 quality of life.  In retrospect, we did it for ourselves, and not for her.
 
 I do know that some cats respond very well to chemo, so please be open to
 others' advice on this issue.  It's just that our experience has not been so
 positive, and you're climbing a pretty big hill with the FeLV+ issues.
 There are so many on this list that will know specific questions to ask
 regarding the specifics of her blood work and other chemical levels that
 might work in Vixen's favor.  I hope so.  I'm also happy for her that she's
 had 10 years, hopefully most of them with you.
 
 My heart goes out to you as you face this difficult decision,  Sara
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
 The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
 Now, this.
 
 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
 pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
 cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
 that folks might have.
 
 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
 diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread dlgegg
IS SHE A FIGHTER?  YOU HAVE TO WATCH HER AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE WANTS.  I AM SO 
FORTUNATE THAT MY 2 FELV BABIES ARE STRONG AND HEALTHY.  WHAT IS HER QUALITY OF 
LIFE?  IT IS SO HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS  I WISH THEY COULD TALK AND TELL 
US WHAT THEY WANT.  NO ANSWER FOR YOU, JUST SOME THOUGHTS.
 Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which 
 is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.  The 
 most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust and 
 healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
 Now, this.
 
 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still 
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the 
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply 
 pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer 
 cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., 
 that folks might have.
 
 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several 
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious 
 diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread dlgegg
THE FROTHING COULD VERY WELL BE CAUSED BY CHAPPERRAL.  I TRIED TAKING A TEA OF 
IT YEARS BACK AND IT HAS THE MOST BITTER, HORRIBLE TASTE.
ABOUT THE NEEM - I HAVE USED THIS TO KILL INSECT PESTS ON PLANTS.  ARE WE 
TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLANT?
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
 Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
 really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many
 have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors
 (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
 many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
 all types if cancer, often very successfully.  Even when combined with
 traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life
 and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
 treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate
 it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however,
 I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently,
 absolutely devoured! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
 The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
 Now, this.
 
 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
 pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
 cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
 that folks might have.
 
 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
 diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread Tracy Weese
Vixen is pretty tough and until now, had never had any sickness despite being 
FeLV positive.  She is still eating good, but she tires easily.  She is still 
very pink and her attitude is good -- our apptmt is next Wednesday and I am 
debating whether to go forward or not.  I am trying to take a clue from her -- 
trying to gage if she is depressed and just wants to rest foreverbut she 
seems to want to keep going so far...  but all that could change in a minute.  
Thanks.


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Sent: Aug 25, 2010 6:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

IS SHE A FIGHTER?  YOU HAVE TO WATCH HER AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE WANTS.  I AM SO 
FORTUNATE THAT MY 2 FELV BABIES ARE STRONG AND HEALTHY.  WHAT IS HER QUALITY 
OF LIFE?  IT IS SO HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS  I WISH THEY COULD TALK AND 
TELL US WHAT THEY WANT.  NO ANSWER FOR YOU, JUST SOME THOUGHTS.
 Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation 
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.  
 The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust 
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
 Now, this.
 
 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still 
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the 
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply 
 pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer 
 cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., 
 that folks might have.
 
 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several 
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious 
 diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread MaryChristine
talk to her, and let her know that she doesn't have to stay here for
you. people and critters do, i believe, often stay longer than they
might ordinarily, to try to protect us. i always tell mine that it's
okay if their job here is complete, that they can cross the bridge,
and mommy will be alright. (of course, five minutes later, i'm crying
in their fur saying, mommy's not ready! but they understand my human
frailty.) if they know it's okay for them to leave when it's their
time, they WILL let you know.

i think that every one of us has allowed a beloved one to stay longer,
to be treated longer, than was optimum for the traveller: and most of
us have learned to feel the difference between, is this for me, or
for them? ask her to tell you when it's her time, and listen with her
heart, not yours. it's the last thanks we can give them, the gift of a
loving farewell.

i can't remember the quote exactly, but i found it many years ago, and
it's stayed with me: that it's better to send them home one day too
soon, than five minutes too late.

(i, of course, talk to them about the cloak room at the bridge where
there are racks and racks of new, healthy bodies, in every breed and
color and pattern and mixture--that they can pick out a new body where
everything works, and exchange it anytime they want)

MC
--
Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-25 Thread Michelle Brockman

I mix the Vetri DMG and the C-Caps in his food then squirt the fish oil 
(they're gel caps) and the Mushroom blend (it's a liquid too) in his mouth. At 
first he didn't like me squirting stuff in his mouth but now I think he has 
accepted it and it doesn't seem to bother him at all. 
 
He doesn't have any food allergies that I have been aware of. The only spot 
that is bad on him is spot on his nose, no where else. His lymph nodes all over 
his body are huge though. He actually was the neighbors outdoor only cat until 
he 'chose' us. He spent 10 years outsite and we live in FL so I imagine the sun 
hasn't helped. Plus he was a fighter with the neighborhood strays (even though 
neutered) so yeah...lets just say we are doing the best with what we have been 
given in his little orange furry package.

The skin is definitely inflamed. I really don't want to put him on steroids at 
this point since he's eating well and doesn't seem to be in pain (and I have 
had bad exp. with steroids when not life and death) so I was hoping for 
something topical. The only thing is that he does rub at his nose so he'd 
probably rub anything off that I put on there. 
 
It's just so frustrating. 

 
Michelle Brockman
It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered 

 


 

 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:56:39 -0700
 From: mr_mok...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 Hey Michelle,
 does he have any other health problems? food allergies can show themselves in 
 the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell. is any of the 
 lesion 
 simply irritated skin around the cancer? If so, i would probably go with 
 something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has oatmeal) 
 around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and 
 works 
 really well - very mild]
 
 does he medicate easily? is any of that in his food or applied topically 
 (thinking the oil for soothing)? with that many things in the mix, i'd be 
 hesitant to add more. if you do try something else, think about stopping 
 something he's currently getting. 
 I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't have 
 in 
 order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja. She was seizure free her 
 last 
 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much 
 you 
 can do except palliative care.
 
 I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about how 
 we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for 
 them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us because 
 we 
 can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only had 
 to 
 make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were mom's 
 decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk 
 in 
 and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how 
 much 
 i still have to learn.
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living 
 his 
 life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
 Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this 
 tea/balm? 
 One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer 
 pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The 
 inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. 
 =(
 
 
 
 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be 
 remembered 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
  
  Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
  Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
  really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many
  have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors
  (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
  many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
  all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with
  traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life
  and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
  treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate
  it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however,
  I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently

Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-24 Thread Natalie
I'd like to juts add that prednisone shouldn't be stopped cold Turkey, it
should be tapered or weaned offPlease consider the tonic!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

Tracy,

I am so sorry.

Personally, I agree with Natalie.  I have been involved with that group as
well and have been impressed with what can be done with the tonic (and salve
for that matter).  I do not believe it has been used specifically to treat
felv but you never know, neem especially has a wide range of therapeutic
uses.  I, or Natalie I am sure, could provide you with the specifics of
preparing the tonic.  It is not exceptionally expensive and with minimal
side effects.

An additional possibility is high dose intravenous vitamin C.  I believe
that one of the things that responds well to this treatment is lymphoma.  I
know Sally would hook you up with whatever you needed if you opted for it.
This is more invasive than the tonic as it requires an IV line and daily
infusions, but effective none the less - there are papers to support its use
in lymphoma.

A single word of warning with prednisone.  I have read a lot of papers about
the treatment of felv, many use prednisone.  It may improve symptoms but has
never been shown to extend life and has sometimes been shown to shorten it.
So if you are aiming for cure or long term treatment, I would be very
cautious about deciding to use prednisone.  Many alternative med docs would
decidely steer you away from its use as they believe it negates anything
positive you are achieving with alternative treatments.

That's all I can offer at this point as although the LTCI shots and
acemannan seem to help sometimes if you start it early, it doesn't seem to
be able to stop things very well once they've started to go down that
slippery slope - at least not that I've seen.  Others may disagree.

Good luck and God bless you both.  You are in my prayers.

Jenny


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote:


 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back
legs.
  The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very
robust
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.

 Now, this.

 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she
still
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with
the
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
 pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other
cancer
 cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions,
etc.,
 that folks might have.

 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on
several
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
 diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-24 Thread Michelle Brockman

Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? 
One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer 
pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The 
inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =(


 
Michelle Brockman
It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered 

 


 

 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
 Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
 really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many
 have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors
 (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
 many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
 all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with
 traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life
 and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
 treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate
 it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however,
 I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently,
 absolutely devoured! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
 The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
 Now, this.
 
 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
 pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
 cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
 that folks might have.
 
 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
 diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-24 Thread Barb Moermond
Hey Michelle,
does he have any other health problems?  food allergies can show themselves in 
the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell.  is any of the 
lesion 
simply irritated skin around the cancer?  If so, i would probably go with 
something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has oatmeal) 
around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and 
works 
really well - very mild]

does he medicate easily?  is any of that in his food or applied topically 
(thinking the oil for soothing)?  with that many things in the mix, i'd be 
hesitant to add more.  if you do try something else, think about stopping 
something he's currently getting.  
I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't have 
in 
order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja.  She was seizure free her last 
2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much you 
can do except palliative care.

I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about how 
we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for 
them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us because we 
can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only had to 
make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were mom's 
decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk in 
and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how 
much 
i still have to learn.
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 

- Anonymous





From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.


Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? 
One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer 
pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The 
inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =(



Michelle Brockman
It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered 






 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
 Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
 really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many
 have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors
 (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
 many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
 all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with
 traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life
 and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
 treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate
 it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however,
 I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently,
 absolutely devoured! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
 The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
 Now, this.
 
 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
 pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
 cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
 that folks might have.
 
 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
 diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-24 Thread jbero tds.net
Michelle,

If you have a cat with SCC, I would highly highly recommend doing the
salve.  If you join the group (I can send you an email from the group and
you can join it) the woman who runs it generally makes the salve and you can
get it from her.  It's not expensive.  I have seen it work miracles in the
time I have been in the group.  In fact we recently used it for a tumor mass
on my dog's tails - within two weeks the tumor had dissolved.  Everyone
sends pictures and you can see the progress - it is amazing.  I'll send you
an email from the group.

Jenny


On 8/24/10, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Michelle,
 does he have any other health problems?  food allergies can show themselves
 in
 the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell.  is any of the
 lesion
 simply irritated skin around the cancer?  If so, i would probably go with
 something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has
 oatmeal)
 around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and
 works
 really well - very mild]

 does he medicate easily?  is any of that in his food or applied topically
 (thinking the oil for soothing)?  with that many things in the mix, i'd be
 hesitant to add more.  if you do try something else, think about stopping
 something he's currently getting.
 I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't
 have in
 order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja.  She was seizure free her
 last
 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much
 you
 can do except palliative care.

 I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about
 how
 we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for
 them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us
 because we
 can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only
 had to
 make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were
 mom's
 decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk
 in
 and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how
 much
 i still have to learn.
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely
 living his
 life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

 - Anonymous




 
 From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.


 Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this
 tea/balm?
 One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal
 cancer
 pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The
 inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby
 mess. =(



 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be
 remembered






  Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
  Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
  Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
  really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments,
 many
  have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on
 tumors
  (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
  many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
  all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with
  traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of
 life
  and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
  treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not
 tolerate
  it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth,
 however,
  I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently,
  absolutely devoured! Natalie
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
  My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
  which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back
 legs.
  The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust
  and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.
 
  Now, this.
 
  She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she
 still
  likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with
 the
  oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do
 simply
  pallative care. I

Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-24 Thread Barb Moermond
I'd be interested in more info about this too
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 

- Anonymous





From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 4:08:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

Michelle,

If you have a cat with SCC, I would highly highly recommend doing the
salve.  If you join the group (I can send you an email from the group and
you can join it) the woman who runs it generally makes the salve and you can
get it from her.  It's not expensive.  I have seen it work miracles in the
time I have been in the group.  In fact we recently used it for a tumor mass
on my dog's tails - within two weeks the tumor had dissolved.  Everyone
sends pictures and you can see the progress - it is amazing.  I'll send you
an email from the group.

Jenny


On 8/24/10, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Michelle,
 does he have any other health problems?  food allergies can show themselves
 in
 the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell.  is any of the
 lesion
 simply irritated skin around the cancer?  If so, i would probably go with
 something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has
 oatmeal)
 around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and
 works
 really well - very mild]

 does he medicate easily?  is any of that in his food or applied topically
 (thinking the oil for soothing)?  with that many things in the mix, i'd be
 hesitant to add more.  if you do try something else, think about stopping
 something he's currently getting.
 I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't
 have in
 order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja.  She was seizure free her
 last
 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much
 you
 can do except palliative care.

 I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about
 how
 we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for
 them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us
 because we
 can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only
 had to
 make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were
 mom's
 decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk
 in
 and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how
 much
 i still have to learn.
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely
 living his
 life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

 - Anonymous




 
 From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.


 Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this
 tea/balm?
 One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal
 cancer
 pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The
 inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby
 mess. =(



 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be
 remembered






  Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
  Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
  Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
  really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments,
 many
  have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on
 tumors
  (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
  many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
  all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with
  traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of
 life
  and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
  treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not
 tolerate
  it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth,
 however,
  I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently,
  absolutely devoured! Natalie
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
 
 
  My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
  which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination

Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-23 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Tracey, I am so sorry to hear this.  Each of us needs to make our own
decisions about this, so I'll share our story.

Last July (2009), my husband and I adopted two beautiful Bengal kittens,
brother and sister.  They were extremely unsocialized, so we worked with
them for several months before they would let us handle them at all.  When
they reached six months of age, we took them in to be spayed/neutered, and
at that time it was discovered that they were both FeLV+.  One of the first
things I did was to search for this list and thank heaven, you all are here.

Taj, the male and 18 months old, started having difficulty breathing in
mid-July 2010.  We took him into the vet for tests, and discovered a massive
tumor pressing into his lungs.  We were give the option of chemo and other
treatments, but opted to let him go, as he was in obvious distress.

Several weeks later, we took his sister Rani in for an exam.  I had felt a
lump in her lower abdomen, and although she was showing no signs of weight
loss or a decline in appetite or energy level at that time, we wanted to
check it out as quickly as possible.  She also has developed lymphoma, this
time affecting her kidneys.  They are about 1.5 times the size they should
be.  Again, we were offered the option of chemo, but decided to go with
palliative care.  She has been on 5mg of pred twice a day for three weeks
now.  It is likely this sweet girl will join all our other precious babies
at the Bridge very soon.  Given the FeLV+ status, we can't justify putting
her through the trauma.  We had taken another cat (no FeLV issues) through
chemo for a stomach tumor several years ago, and it took such a toll on her,
on us, on our financeswe bought her perhaps 6 months of diminished
quality of life.  In retrospect, we did it for ourselves, and not for her.

I do know that some cats respond very well to chemo, so please be open to
others' advice on this issue.  It's just that our experience has not been so
positive, and you're climbing a pretty big hill with the FeLV+ issues.
There are so many on this list that will know specific questions to ask
regarding the specifics of her blood work and other chemical levels that
might work in Vixen's favor.  I hope so.  I'm also happy for her that she's
had 10 years, hopefully most of them with you.

My heart goes out to you as you face this difficult decision,  Sara


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.


My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust
and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.

Now, this.

She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the
oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
that folks might have.

She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-23 Thread Natalie
Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of
Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is
really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many
have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors
(or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now,
many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for
all types if cancer, often very successfully.  Even when combined with
traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life
and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while
treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate
it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however,
I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently,
absolutely devoured! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.


My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust
and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.

Now, this.

She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the
oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
that folks might have.

She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.

2010-08-23 Thread jbero tds.net
Tracy,

I am so sorry.

Personally, I agree with Natalie.  I have been involved with that group as
well and have been impressed with what can be done with the tonic (and salve
for that matter).  I do not believe it has been used specifically to treat
felv but you never know, neem especially has a wide range of therapeutic
uses.  I, or Natalie I am sure, could provide you with the specifics of
preparing the tonic.  It is not exceptionally expensive and with minimal
side effects.

An additional possibility is high dose intravenous vitamin C.  I believe
that one of the things that responds well to this treatment is lymphoma.  I
know Sally would hook you up with whatever you needed if you opted for it.
This is more invasive than the tonic as it requires an IV line and daily
infusions, but effective none the less - there are papers to support its use
in lymphoma.

A single word of warning with prednisone.  I have read a lot of papers about
the treatment of felv, many use prednisone.  It may improve symptoms but has
never been shown to extend life and has sometimes been shown to shorten it.
So if you are aiming for cure or long term treatment, I would be very
cautious about deciding to use prednisone.  Many alternative med docs would
decidely steer you away from its use as they believe it negates anything
positive you are achieving with alternative treatments.

That's all I can offer at this point as although the LTCI shots and
acemannan seem to help sometimes if you start it early, it doesn't seem to
be able to stop things very well once they've started to go down that
slippery slope - at least not that I've seen.  Others may disagree.

Good luck and God bless you both.  You are in my prayers.

Jenny


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote:


 My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation
 which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs.
  The most likely scenario is now lymphoma.  She has always been very robust
 and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten.

 Now, this.

 She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still
 likes to be around me and the other cats, but...  I have an apptmt with the
 oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply
 pallative care.  I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer
 cats did not have FeLV.  So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc.,
 that folks might have.

 She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several
 infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious
 diseases.  She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred.



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