Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread Lee Evans
Yaay for Oliver!  Feline acne, especially in cats with some white fur is not 
serious.  I usually use a flea comb on their chin or other parts to remove the 
crud.  Then I use a very mild baby soap to gently wash the area, rinse it with 
wet wash cloth and pat it dry.  I do this until the acne finally goes away.  
Sometimes it returns and I have to do it again.  I think the cause is grease 
from the cat food getting on their fur and clogging their pores.  Some of my 
calicos, or white or tabby and white cats used to get it.  I have one cat who 
gets it quite frequently.  It's fortunate that she's a sweety and doesn't 
resent my washing her chin fur.
 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
 

Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his 
chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) 
FIV/leukemia test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first 
positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the 
infection he had was likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this 
once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have 
confirmation.
Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
Don and Oliver


On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to 
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we 
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned
 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm 
to 
the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might 
just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white 
blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F 
temperature). He suggested we might test 
him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver 
has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he 
has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came 
later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV 
could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the 
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the 
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks 
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the 
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't 
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent 
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back 
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few 
weeks or 
months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the
 battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no 
treatments I know this
 is probably a battle we cannot win.

Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they 
are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are they in 
danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We have Oliver 
with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food 
bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become 
free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms 
now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have 
gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) 
so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just 
a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI 
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness 
although there appear to be no major side effects.

Thanks.
Don and Oliver 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread Christiane Biagi
Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes.
Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face 
cause acne.  Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly...

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Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you  Oliver. I can relate to the kitty
acne. I had a big orange  white boy who had it but it did not last too
long. I took the same steps that Lee described.

Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread Don
Thanks for the responses.  Just a note, we already use a metal water bowl,
although when he was sick a few weeks back we added a ceramic bowl in our
bedroom.  We have now eliminated that one and will see if that helps.
Don and Oliver

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on
 his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia
 test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test
 we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was
 likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests
 were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation.
 Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
 Don and Oliver

 On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
 last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
 been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
 to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a
 virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell
 count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature).
 He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it
 out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
 test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
 news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
 FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
 but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
 the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
 he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
 symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see
 much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the
 blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next
 week.
 Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
 weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
 losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
 but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.

 Here are my questions:
 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
 (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
 they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
 have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
 water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
 become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
 have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way
 he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
 etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
 this just a false hope.
 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
 treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
 although there appear to be no major side effects.

 Thanks.
 Don and Oliver



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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
I heard that too. Plastic can do it.I also read in Joey's Green book to: wash 
the area with ivory soap.Also, apply Fruit of the Earth 
Aloe Vera.I use paper,metal,ceramic dishes. Sometimes plastic gets used 
too.Cathy Bronx N Y

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:36 AM
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Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes.
Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face 
cause acne.  Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly...

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Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you  Oliver. I can relate to the kitty
acne. I had a big orange  white boy who had it but it did not last too
long. I took the same steps that Lee described.

Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-09 Thread Don
Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on
his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia
test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test
we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was
likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests
were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation.
Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
Don and Oliver

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
 last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
 been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
 to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a
 virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell
 count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature).
 He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it
 out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
 test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
 news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
 FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
 but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
 the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
 he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
 symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see
 much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the
 blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next
 week.
 Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
 weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
 losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
 but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.

 Here are my questions:
 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
 (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
 they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
 have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
 water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
 become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
 have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way
 he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
 etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
 this just a false hope.
 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
 treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
 although there appear to be no major side effects.

 Thanks.
 Don and Oliver
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-09 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Don, 

 

How cool that  this worked out so well! I hope that acne clears up quickly.
;-) Skritches to Oliver.

 

Diane R.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his
chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia
test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we
got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was
likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests
were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation.
Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
Don and Oliver

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been
reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this
August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the
touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus
(most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now
2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He
suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out
even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms.
So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope,
I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get
the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.

Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have
symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he
would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.

Thanks.
Don and Oliver 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-09 Thread Natalie
That's great news; you must be relieved!~I just don't understand why your
vet would have even considered the possibility of FeLV/FIV if the cat was
always indoors!  There are so many other reasons for those symptoms! The
whole thing seems odd!

You may want to look into and consider RenAvast for Oliver's kidneys!
www.renavast.com - there have been some excellent results!  Our 18+ Spook
has been on RenAvast and just now has CRF which I am treating with daily
sub-q fluids, RenAvast, Calcitriol, and Pepcid AC.  

BTW - for chin acne, use only non-porous dishes like ceramic, glass,
stainless steel - not plastic!

ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL, ISN'T IT?

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

Don, 

 

How cool that  this worked out so well! I hope that acne clears up quickly.
;-) Skritches to Oliver.

 

Diane R.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his
chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia
test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we
got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was
likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests
were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation.
Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
Don and Oliver

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been
reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this
August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the
touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus
(most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now
2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He
suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out
even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms.
So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope,
I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get
the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.

Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have
symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he
would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.

Thanks.
Don and Oliver 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-10 Thread Don
Well his IFA was negative.  I need to talk to the vet but I guess we can
(perhaps) discount him being actively viremic.  Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks.
Don and Oliver

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
 last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
 been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
 to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a
 virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell
 count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature).
 He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it
 out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
 test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
 news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
 FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
 but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
 the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
 he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
 symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see
 much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the
 blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next
 week.
 Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
 weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
 losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
 but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.

 Here are my questions:
 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
 (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
 they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
 have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
 water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
 become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
 have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way
 he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
 etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
 this just a false hope.
 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
 treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
 although there appear to be no major side effects.

 Thanks.
 Don and Oliver
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread Beth
Most of my FeLV cats have died from anemia. Your other cats may be ok.if he has 
been positive for all this time there's no reason to separate them now.  Our 
shelter had a hoarding case a few yrs ago where some of the cats were FeLV 
positive but most were not  remained negative after a lengthy quaranteen. Some 
just develop natural immunity. You do need to get them tested, though.
I personally would not have spent the money on an IFA test at this point. You 
just have to treat him like any other cat who is ill. Treat the symptoms. Did 
they say what the red blood cell count was?
Beth

Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for your note Lee.  I am an old hand when it comes to long term
care for a sick cat.  We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with
CRF and a heart condition.  I cannot count the number of subQ sessions,
pills, and assisted feedings I did.  Through all of it I educated myself on
every aspect of the disease and treatments.  Our first vet told us we have
3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more.  I also went through several
vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try.

All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever.  On
Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal.  What could be made from
this?  He did get a antibiotic shot.  I assumed that the fever was being
caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else.

Thanks again.
Don and Oliver


On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver.  First
 of all, I would just  like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad
 idea.  It turns the cat positive on testing.  If the cat gets lost, picked
 up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by
 any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then
 the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control.  So please don't use
 this vaccine.  It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is
 what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into
 blood vessels.

 OK.  Back to Oliver.  Since you didn't have him tested when you originally
 offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years
 and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so
 don't worry yourself too much.  One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He
 had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative.  The disease sometimes
 hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become
 very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death.
 Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him
 and he was FeLv+.  However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal
 failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and
 antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats.  They ate, drank together and
 used each others litter boxes.  They groomed each other and slept
 together.  They were like one big family.  None of the other cats ever
 tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed.  The
 very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the
 rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and
 peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress.  Whatever
 medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it.  This is only
 my own opinion.  You have to take into account what your vet tells you
 also.  It may or may not be  FeLv that has become active.  It could be an
 ordinary virus or bacterial infection.  Vets tend to jump on the first
 thing that they are taught might be fatal.  I have quite a few FIV+ cats.
 Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of
 course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats.  Which
 isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more
 often than the FIV+ cats.  I have learned not to do battle with old
 fashioned thinking in veterinarians.  But I do gently remind them that I
 have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but
 URI.  I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts.  Just keep on loving him
 and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


   --
 *From:* Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
 last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
 been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
 to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet 

Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread Don
Hi Beth,
His HCT was 28% (2% below normal).
Thanks.


On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Most of my FeLV cats have died from anemia. Your other cats may be ok.if
 he has been positive for all this time there's no reason to separate them
 now.  Our shelter had a hoarding case a few yrs ago where some of the cats
 were FeLV positive but most were not  remained negative after a lengthy
 quaranteen. Some just develop natural immunity. You do need to get them
 tested, though.
 I personally would not have spent the money on an IFA test at this point.
 You just have to treat him like any other cat who is ill. Treat the
 symptoms. Did they say what the red blood cell count was?
 Beth

 Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your note Lee.  I am an old hand when it comes to long term
 care for a sick cat.  We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with
 CRF and a heart condition.  I cannot count the number of subQ sessions,
 pills, and assisted feedings I did.  Through all of it I educated myself
 on
 every aspect of the disease and treatments.  Our first vet told us we have
 3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more.  I also went through several
 vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try.
 
 All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever.  On
 Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal.  What could be made from
 this?  He did get a antibiotic shot.  I assumed that the fever was being
 caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else.
 
 Thanks again.
 Don and Oliver
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver.
  First
  of all, I would just  like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a
 bad
  idea.  It turns the cat positive on testing.  If the cat gets lost,
 picked
  up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious
 by
  any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then
  the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control.  So please don't
 use
  this vaccine.  It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is
  what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into
  blood vessels.
 
  OK.  Back to Oliver.  Since you didn't have him tested when you
 originally
  offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these
 years
  and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so
  don't worry yourself too much.  One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14.
 He
  had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative.  The disease
 sometimes
  hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become
  very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his
 death.
  Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested
 him
  and he was FeLv+.  However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal
  failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and
  antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats.  They ate, drank together
 and
  used each others litter boxes.  They groomed each other and slept
  together.  They were like one big family.  None of the other cats ever
  tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed.  The
  very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever
 the
  rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and
  peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress.  Whatever
  medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it.  This is
 only
  my own opinion.  You have to take into account what your vet tells you
  also.  It may or may not be  FeLv that has become active.  It could be
 an
  ordinary virus or bacterial infection.  Vets tend to jump on the first
  thing that they are taught might be fatal.  I have quite a few FIV+
 cats.
  Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of
  course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats.  Which
  isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more
  often than the FIV+ cats.  I have learned not to do battle with old
  fashioned thinking in veterinarians.  But I do gently remind them that I
  have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but
  URI.  I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts.  Just keep on loving
 him
  and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is
 wrong.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
 
 
--
  *From:* Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM
  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
 
  Hello.
  Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
 CRF
  last Feb but in the past year or so we 

Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread Lorrie
Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
taking excellent care of him.

As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

Lorrie 


On 09-08, Don wrote:
Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
cannot win.
Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
off or is this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.
Thanks.
Don and Oliver


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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread GRAS
How are Oliver's kidney values?  


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
taking excellent care of him.

As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

Lorrie 


On 09-08, Don wrote:
Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
cannot win.
Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
off or is this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.
Thanks.
Don and Oliver


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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread dlgegg
I agree, he has had a long and happy life with you.  God has blessed you and 
Oliver.  My Shadow passed at 18 with tumors on his spine, but he had lived a 
long life and enjoyed basking in the sun on the deck.  Keep him comfortable .

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
 of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
 legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
 keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
 for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
 taking excellent care of him.
 
 As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
 their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
 so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
 helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
 inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
 well as emotional and financial hell for youself.
 
 Lorrie 
 
 
 On 09-08, Don wrote:
 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
 CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
 had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
 turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
 seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
 suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
 except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
 since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
 for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
 always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
 know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
 when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
 be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
 other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
 fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
 he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
 symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
 see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
 the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
 until next week.
 Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
 few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
 be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
 optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
 cannot win.
 Here are my questions:
 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
 (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
 Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
 safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
 use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
 become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
 have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
 way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
 box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
 off or is this just a false hope.
 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
 treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
 although there appear to be no major side effects.
 Thanks.
 Don and Oliver
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread Don
His BUN and Crea are normal.  His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28%
since July. Otherwise everything else is normal.


On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 How are Oliver's kidney values?


 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
 of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
 legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
 keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
 for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
 taking excellent care of him.

 As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end
 of
 their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
 so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
 helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
 inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
 well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

 Lorrie


 On 09-08, Don wrote:
 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
 CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that
 we
 had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
 turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
 seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
 suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
 except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
 since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
 for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver
 has
 always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
 know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came
 later
 when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
 be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but
 the
 other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
 fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
 he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
 symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
 see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
 the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
 until next week.
 Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
 few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body
 might
 be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
 optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
 cannot win.
 Here are my questions:
 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster
 recently
 (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
 Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
 safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
 use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus
 and
 become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does
 he
 have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of
 any
 way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
 box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
 off or is this just a false hope.
 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
 treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's
 effectiveness
 although there appear to be no major side effects.
 Thanks.
 Don and Oliver


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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread Natalie
What about thyroid?  Why the Tapazole?

 

My new email address is:atia@gmail.com

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

His BUN and Crea are normal.  His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28%
since July. Otherwise everything else is normal.



On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

How are Oliver's kidney values?



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
taking excellent care of him.

As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

Lorrie


On 09-08, Don wrote:
Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
cannot win.
Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
off or is this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.
Thanks.
Don and Oliver


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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread Don
His thyroid is normal as well (the vet did check it in July as he noted an
slightly enlarged thyroid).  I don't recall mentioning tapazole.  He got a
shot of Covina and a steroid at the vet but that is all he is on.
Thanks.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 What about thyroid?  Why the Tapazole?

 ** **

 My new email address is:*atia@gmail.com*

 ** **

 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Don
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM

 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 ** **

 His BUN and Crea are normal.  His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28%
 since July. Otherwise everything else is normal.

 

 On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 How are Oliver's kidney values?



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
 of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
 legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
 keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
 for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
 taking excellent care of him.

 As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end
 of
 their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
 so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
 helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
 inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
 well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

 Lorrie


 On 09-08, Don wrote:
 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
 CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that
 we
 had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
 turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
 seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
 suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
 except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
 since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
 for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver
 has
 always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
 know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came
 later
 when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
 be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but
 the
 other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
 fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
 he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
 symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
 see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
 the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
 until next week.
 Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
 few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body
 might
 be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
 optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
 cannot win.
 Here are my questions:
 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster
 recently
 (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
 Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
 safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
 use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus
 and
 become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does
 he
 have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of
 any
 way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
 box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
 off or is this just a false hope.
 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
 treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's
 effectiveness
 although there appear to be no major side effects.
 Thanks.
 Don and Oliver

Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread GRAS
 

Sorry, I could have sworn that you did..don't have time to go back to see
all the mail! Kitties awaiting me to medicate them.  natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

His thyroid is normal as well (the vet did check it in July as he noted an
slightly enlarged thyroid).  I don't recall mentioning tapazole.  He got a
shot of Covina and a steroid at the vet but that is all he is on.  
Thanks.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

What about thyroid?  Why the Tapazole?

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

His BUN and Crea are normal.  His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28%
since July. Otherwise everything else is normal.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

How are Oliver's kidney values?



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
taking excellent care of him.

As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

Lorrie


On 09-08, Don wrote:
Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
cannot win.
Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
off or is this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I

Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-08 Thread Lee Evans
I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver.  First of 
all, I would just  like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad idea.  
It turns the cat positive on testing.  If the cat gets lost, picked up by 
someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by any way 
but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then the cat would 
be killed by a vet or by Animal Control.  So please don't use this vaccine.  It 
does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is what protects most cats 
from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into blood vessels.

OK.  Back to Oliver.  Since you didn't have him tested when you originally 
offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years and 
your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so don't worry 
yourself too much.  One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He had been tested 
twice for FeLv but tested negative.  The disease sometimes hides in the bone 
marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become very ill towards the 
end, but it was renal failure that caused his death.  Because he was showing 
symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him and he was FeLv+.  However, 
my vet said that if he hadn't had renal failure, he may have survived another 
year with good nutrition and antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats.  They 
ate, drank together and  used each others litter boxes.  They groomed each 
other and slept together.  They were like one big family.  None of the other 
cats ever tested positive
 for anything even several years after Tiger passed.  The very best that you 
can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the rest of his life is as 
he has lived the past 15 years, happily and peacefully with not a whole lot of 
vet visits or stress.  Whatever medication you want to try, is OK as long as 
you research it.  This is only my own opinion.  You have to take into account 
what your vet tells you also.  It may or may not be  FeLv that has become 
active.  It could be an ordinary virus or bacterial infection.  Vets tend to 
jump on the first thing that they are taught might be fatal.  I have quite a 
few FIV+ cats.  Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me 
that of course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats.  
Which isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more 
often than the FIV+ cats.  I have learned not to do battle with old fashioned 
thinking in veterinarians. 
 But I do gently remind them that I have had a lot of cats in for URI who were 
not positive for anything but URI.  I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts.  
Just keep on loving him and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel 
something is wrong.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
 

Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to 
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we 
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned
 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm 
to 
the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might 
just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white 
blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F 
temperature). He suggested we might test 
him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver 
has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he 
has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came 
later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV 
could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the 
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the 
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks 
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the 
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't 
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent 
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back 
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks 
or 
months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the
 battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no 
treatments I know this
 is probably a battle we cannot win.

Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they 
are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are they in 
danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be 

Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-08 Thread Don
Thanks for your note Lee.  I am an old hand when it comes to long term
care for a sick cat.  We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with
CRF and a heart condition.  I cannot count the number of subQ sessions,
pills, and assisted feedings I did.  Through all of it I educated myself on
every aspect of the disease and treatments.  Our first vet told us we have
3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more.  I also went through several
vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try.

All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever.  On
Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal.  What could be made from
this?  He did get a antibiotic shot.  I assumed that the fever was being
caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else.

Thanks again.
Don and Oliver


On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver.  First
 of all, I would just  like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad
 idea.  It turns the cat positive on testing.  If the cat gets lost, picked
 up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by
 any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then
 the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control.  So please don't use
 this vaccine.  It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is
 what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into
 blood vessels.

 OK.  Back to Oliver.  Since you didn't have him tested when you originally
 offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years
 and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so
 don't worry yourself too much.  One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He
 had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative.  The disease sometimes
 hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become
 very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death.
 Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him
 and he was FeLv+.  However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal
 failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and
 antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats.  They ate, drank together and
 used each others litter boxes.  They groomed each other and slept
 together.  They were like one big family.  None of the other cats ever
 tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed.  The
 very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the
 rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and
 peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress.  Whatever
 medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it.  This is only
 my own opinion.  You have to take into account what your vet tells you
 also.  It may or may not be  FeLv that has become active.  It could be an
 ordinary virus or bacterial infection.  Vets tend to jump on the first
 thing that they are taught might be fatal.  I have quite a few FIV+ cats.
 Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of
 course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats.  Which
 isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more
 often than the FIV+ cats.  I have learned not to do battle with old
 fashioned thinking in veterinarians.  But I do gently remind them that I
 have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but
 URI.  I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts.  Just keep on loving him
 and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


   --
 *From:* Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 Hello.
 Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
 last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
 been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
 to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a
 virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell
 count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature).
 He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it
 out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
 test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
 news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
 FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
 but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white